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Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
12:48 AM
@rene Speaking of vote unlocking, I just remembered: an unintended consequence of the pre-February 2013 closure as duplicate system was that if a post you upvoted was later closed as a duplicate, you could remove your upvote and change it to a downvote (for lack of research). But the newer system doesn't allow for that.
@Tinkeringbell As far as I'm aware, CMs can't reverse single votes; they can only remove all votes that a user cast on another user's posts. (This would include not only up/down votes, but also accept votes and bounty awards.)
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog they would rarely have cause to reverse single votes
but if it was needed - they may have an easier time getting tools
 
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
I think removing individual votes would require a dev.
 
 
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Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
3:22 AM
@Spevacus hmm, pre split I thunk
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
Looked like it
 
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
3:43 AM
@Spevacus Yep, it was posted before April 2014, when the split happened
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
network split (disconnect from IRC)
 
 
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Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
5:50 AM
@JourneymanGeek thunk thanked a thonk?
 
rene
rene
6:16 AM
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Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog gone
 
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
 
 
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Luuklag
Luuklag
10:56 AM
woohoo Dutch spam
 
 
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Luuklag
Luuklag
12:20 PM
your quick today @Tinkeringbell
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Boring meetings :)
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@JNat cross site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/19627495/…
@Tinkeringbell could've been an email?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
A good many things could be
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@Luuklag Not really. But part of it is repetitive :) It's... my workload right now is split across teams, and some of it overlaps... we're now doing a refinement but since half the team wasn't involved with the other half of the other team, we're now repeating stuff a bit XD
There are still plenty of meetings in my calendar that could've been emails though ;)
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
12:43 PM
@Tinkeringbell who hasn't ;)
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Don't ask me :P
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
1:14 PM
Days like this, where I get a push notification telling me to not take a train because of a massive malfunction in the telephone systems basically crippling the whole country... make me glad I now have a car and work from home XD
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@Tinkeringbell Yeah I also got that pushmessage. Glad I almost never take the trains
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@Luuklag To be fair, if I had been at an office right now there would probably be a thread on the intranet of people coordinating rides ^^
But still. I've had enough train delays to have a lifetime of stories, I'm not going back into one of those easily XD
Might take one incidentally to go for a girls night out in the nearest city XD
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
I only ever take them if I have a meeting near utrecht CS. thats only a 20 min ride for me, no transits, and about as fast as taking a car
faster if you take parking into account
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Yeah, I guess I would do so too, if the client had kept the office space near Utrecht CS. It's an hour and 10 minutes from here to there, by train. But I would spend the same amount of time in traffic, most likely.
Still, I haven't missed commuting a single bit!
 
Feeds
Feeds
2:03 PM
Shipping confetti to Stack Overflowโ€™s design system
Aaron Shekey on May 31, 2021
Stack Overflow celebrates site accomplishments with confetti in multiple places. That means it’s time to formalize it in our design system.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
._.
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
0_0
 
g3rv4
g3rv4
@Feeds I love the care that SO puts into what could seem like trivial stuff
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
2:18 PM
@Feeds next is animated adds?
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
So that's what the developers are doing.
@Luuklag no, next is integrating coffee making into code writing. Coffee machine will be connected to the developer's computer, and when it will identify the developer starts to slow down, it will make a coffee automatically.
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard #lifegoals
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
lol
Something that Nick would do, for sure. :P
 
g3rv4
g3rv4
@Luuklag tbh, adding animated ads is not something that interesting
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@g3rv4 Well, in a sense but... it seems a strange priority
 
g3rv4
g3rv4
2:32 PM
@JourneymanGeek most of the times there's a legit & valid reason behind it. I worked (with other devs) on doing (some part of the) theming via CSS variables. Lots of effort went into keeping everything looking the same on public sites (and we got it, only one report about us missing a thing on the mobile theme). We spent a lot of time on it, and it simplified the Enterprise theming story significantly. But from the outside, it could be seen as a questionable thing to spend time on.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@Luuklag Glitter.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@g3rv4 Maybe unfortunately - I'm thinking of it in terms of the politics - and the fonts changes
which kinda are "unpopular" and dare I say painful in some respects until there's room to do what this is in preparation for
 
g3rv4
g3rv4
yeah, that one was... ... fortunately something I can solve with a userscript (and I use the mobile theme on my phone)
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
I'm having trouble with it
and one of the latest things (which wasn't even SE's fault!) - with the new monospace italics is kinda ultra difficult for me
 
g3rv4
g3rv4
I'm probably biased because optimizing the confetti sounds exactly like the kind of project I'd love to work on (and blog about)
:(
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
2:37 PM
I understand lol
And its fun, and I certainly don't wish to crack the whip, or pour cold water on it...
But it does sound outwardly like trivial stuff
 
g3rv4
g3rv4
wrt politics and SE's direction... I don't... I can't... I... well, it's... complicated. But the quality of the devs doing the work and the care they put on it is something I'll cherish
which is what makes it so freaking rad IMO (how trivial it seems)
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@g3rv4 Well - That's a concern of mine. Eventually most stuff lands in MSE :D
 
g3rv4
g3rv4
@JourneymanGeek ah, you're concerned about the confetti landing in MSE? that's... different, yeah.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@g3rv4 I'm worried about needing to sweep up :D
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
@Feeds 10-year anniversary let's goooooooooo
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
2:58 PM
@JourneymanGeek I agree that things like fixing revisions page to have consistent display of reputation is more important, but meh.... I'm not the one who decide.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Hey, we all have pet peeves we'd like to see fixed before we get new stuff ;)
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
so... anyone's pet peeve is SE chat itself?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
lol
Me?
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
maybe :p
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@Tinkeringbell sure, actually the revisions bug is minor "even" for me, was just raw example of actual bugs.
 
Random Person
Random Person
3:13 PM
Hey people! Is there any official chat room for SO? For example, AUGR is the official chat room for AU.
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
@RandomPerson dunno if Lounge (C++) could be considered as an "official" chat room... but no, there's no official/main chat room for SO.
 
Random Person
Random Person
@MetaAndrewT. hmm.. OK.
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@RandomPerson why you ask? What do you want/need?
By the way, hello!
 
Random Person
Random Person
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I wanted to chat with the site's mods. I thought that they maybe available in the official chat room.
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard :)
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@RandomPerson there are some here, perhaps. And others who are mods on other SE sites.
But I don't see any account of yours on SO. Was it deleted? @Ran
 
Catija
Catija
3:18 PM
SO is too big for an official room. And I'm not sure the mods hang out anywhere in particular. Also depends on what you mean by "mods".
 
Random Person
Random Person
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Hidden communities
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@RandomPerson oh
 
Random Person
Random Person
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard who?
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
Some SO mods are participating on some SO chat rooms
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@Catija yeah, any such room will be always swamped, mods won't have time to perform any other tasks.
 
Catija
Catija
3:19 PM
What you want can impact the best way to find someone to talk to.
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
But not sure why you specifically need a mod (no need to answer this if personal)
 
Random Person
Random Person
@Catija I didn't understand what you said.
@MetaAndrewT. Regarding flags..
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@RandomPerson many, and @Catija is working for Stack Exchange, in the Community Team so have more experience than most site mods.
 
Catija
Catija
Chat may not be the best way to reach out. Many questions about flags are asked on MSO.
 
Random Person
Random Person
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I want to specifically talk to SO mods as it's regarding my flag.
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
3:21 PM
@Catija well if it's about specific flag can't really ask in public, I guess.
 
Random Person
Random Person
@Catija They will downvote it and mostly close it as duplicate if I post in MSO..
 
Catija
Catija
It's a holiday and the kids are "helping" brew beer... so my ability to stick around is limited.
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard chat is public
๐Ÿ˜œ
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@Catija can ask mod to create private room
@RandomPerson I'm afraid you don't have many options that you would like.... if it's important you can send contact form to Stack Exchange, and they'll handle it, but it will take time.
 
Catija
Catija
@RandomPerson it's a long holiday weekend and there's over 1000 flags. Just give them time to get to it.
 
Random Person
Random Person
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard hmm..
@Catija It's Monday in my location..
 
Catija
Catija
3:25 PM
The US is having Memorial Day holidays and it's a bank holiday in England... that's a good chunk of the mods.
 
Random Person
Random Person
Generally, how long do mods take to respond to flags in SO? Any personal experiences are welcome.
 
Catija
Catija
It depends on the flags but custom mod flags generally take significantly longer.
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Memorial Day
Memorial Day (originally known as Decoration Day) is a federal holiday in the United States for honoring and mourning the military personnel who have died in the performance of their military duties. The holiday is observed on the last Monday of May. The holiday was observed on May 30 from 1868 to 1970.Many people visit cemeteries and memorials on Memorial Day to honor and mourn those who died while serving in the U.S. military. Many volunteers place an American flag on graves of military personnel in national cemeteries. Memorial Day is also considered the unofficial beginning of summer in the...
 
Random Person
Random Person
@Catija OK..
@Catija like a week?
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
Depends on the complexity of the issue.
 
Catija
Catija
3:27 PM
Definitely not 22 hours.
 
Random Person
Random Person
@Catija hmm.. looks you've analysed my flags. lol
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@RandomPerson 6-8 weeks? ๐Ÿ˜
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
Also, depends if it's something that mods can handle it themselves, or need to escalate to CM
 
Random Person
Random Person
@JourneymanGeek :(
@MetaAndrewT. OK.
If SO is too huge, why can't the number of mods be increased?
 
Catija
Catija
I mean... a lot depends on what one considers a reasonable response time for flags. In general, the feeling is that the number is sufficient.
 
Random Person
Random Person
3:39 PM
@Catija you mean the number of mods?
 
Catija
Catija
Yeah
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
I believe there was a meta question about that, but I forgot/couldn't find it. The point is more about getting the new mods ready, because it's not that simple when you suddenly get access to many potentially dangerous tools.
Aside from the technical limitation (if it's still applied until now), here's what the ex-CM answered:
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A: If the moderator workload is so high, then why are there only 3 new moderator positions available?

Shog9dmckee and Tim Stone pretty much nailed it: It takes time and effort - from the SE staff, the existing moderators, and the community at large - to bring a new moderator up to speed. There are certainly some candidates who could probably hit the ground running, but there's no guarantee they'll b...

 
Catija
Catija
@MetaAndrewT. the technical issue is no longer a concern. The bigger issue now is that there's not a huge outpouring of interest. The number of candidates has been very depressed.
 
rene
rene
3:55 PM
 
 
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Random Person
Random Person
5:52 PM
@MetaAndrewT. Thanks for sharing the answer.
@rene ok..
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
Wew, that's... A lot of undisclosed affiliation.
Hm.
 
rene
rene
6:10 PM
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
Thank you.
 
rene
rene
We're not going to handle that now in this room
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
6:30 PM
@rene wow, thats dedication right there
 
rene
rene
Yeah ... we've talked in Charcoal about these reports
There is something that sure needs reporting but I doubt red-flagging 10 upvoted posts to put the account back at 1 is the correct action in this case.
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
@rene regardless of the user's status, we probably also need an onboarding process on Charcoal ๐Ÿ˜‰
 
rene
rene
I thought we had?
 
 
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Spevacus
Spevacus
7:45 PM
@rene We do. Mods kind of get around that due to automatically being privileged. Plus, the way that that particular mod started out was due to uh... A specific user that's now network-wide suspended for an incredible amount of time.
 
rene
rene
I think we value diamonds too much ... I'll hide in this corner ...
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
On a semi-related note, it does feel a little sad to be outnumbered by diamonds in Charcoal HQ :(
 
rene
rene
8:02 PM
Yeah, it is a bit daunting as well. I mean, I assume those diamonds know what they are doing so if you have to question their actions your first intuition is what am I missing?
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
I feel that.
 
rene
rene
8:46 PM
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Rob
Rob
9:48 PM
@Spevacus Switch to the SoBotics room, where everything is functional. You'll miss @rene as I've not seen them there, or any of the others; the only daunting is picking your Bot(s) and filtering out the rest.
 
rene
rene
Can't be everywhere ...
 
Rob
Rob
As per usual, lurk, read, ask, before you do the wrong thing.
 
rene
rene
On the other hand: Do you want to miss me?
 
Rob
Rob
With the lawnmower?
 
rene
rene
LOL
 
Rob
Rob
9:51 PM
^^^ That was a way to ping you, to suggest you try there if you were looking for a different room.
There are some diamonds, but seldom do I see ones from CHQ.
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
Naw, I don't mind seeing all the mods there. In fact, I do feel a sense of pride for them, as many of them were not moderators when I had joined Charcoal.
I'm merely remarking upon how many there are, and how the user:diamond ratio was once much different.
 
Feeds
Feeds
10:27 PM
 
Rob
Rob
11:05 PM
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