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Journeyman Geek

12:57 AM

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Q: The Community Teams @ Stack Exchange and how we work together

I wanted to share with you about who the people that work on our Community are, and how we are organized. For context, I am the head of Product, Community, Design and Engineering, a combined Chief Product and Technology Officer. I joined the company in mid January and report directly to Prashanth...

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Looks like we have a new product manager

forest distrusts StackExchange

1:09 AM

(Who was the previous product manager?)

Journeyman Geek

1:20 AM

He isn't replacing one - it's an expansion

Anita is a current one. We had Megan (who was excellent and google poached back) and Joe before but this is a new PM role not a replacement

forest distrusts StackExchange

1:52 AM

Wtf was offensive about hoping a new product staff won't harm the community? O_o

2:39 AM

Hey, at least you made the Review Queue.

Journeyman Geek

2:50 AM

@forestdistrustsStackExchange I would at least give him a chance to warm up his seat

Megan had almost no SE experience and she was brilliant. Immediately casting shade on people is not cool when you don't know them.

Journeyman Geek

3:04 AM

@Nai54 so sorry about your suggested edit - I was making some other changes. If you could try again, ping me and I'll approve

Though the bits on the first para are correct and as intended fwiw

There's a space missing after one of the closing parens.

In the paragraph that starts with 100k

Hyia @Dryt :)

Hi

Thanks for putting in the effort to collect those posts for us to dig into.

Thanks for looking into it. The example posts themselves are just from a keyword search and quick skim, since I'm an outsider to most of those communities. I feel there's a more underlying issue (in terms of communities not proactively combating bigotry) that the posts survived for years, many getting a considerable number of upvotes, and nothing happened (even when I tried to resolve it in the individual communities) until the meta post.

Each site is individually moderated, so it's important to draw attention to things the right way - through flags. Suggesting edits that just delete the entire body of the post isn't going to get you the right sort of attention. Mods are really careful about vandalism and, while your intentions are good, just deleting the content without flagging or deleting the post often won't get the right results.

That's difficult when you're limited in your ability to flag - but if you can get 200 rep here on MSE, you'll be able to flag network wide and tell the mods directly what the issue is rather than trying to delete the content through edits.

3:20 AM

I think I suggested deletion - not "just deleted it". I wouldn't have permission to just delete the content (or to flag it)

Presumably suggests would bring it to the attention of a human reviewer

No, you suggested an edit to the post that would have left the content of the post just reading "Remove for homophobia and bigotry".

Ah. Would that suggest not still bring it to the attention of a human reviewer, who can take the appropriate action though? (e.g: choosing to delete the post, or edit out the bigotry)

It's important when you're reporting things that you're specific and clear and that you recognize, particularly on sites that are so closely-held like religions, that your reference may be taken the wrong way - as a statement that the religion is homophobic or bigoted. So be careful and thoughtful and thorough and clear. :)

forest distrusts StackExchange

@JourneymanGeek Perhaps, but that still doesn't make it offensive content.

Journeyman Geek

@forestdistrustsStackExchange Its not nice

forest distrusts StackExchange

3:24 AM

@JourneymanGeek I said that I hoped they would not do harm to the community. I did not accuse them of trying to do harm (they are new, after all).

@Dryt Editing it out is fine - eding the entire post to remove all of the content is not. As I said, you'll have the ability to flag network-wide if you can earn 200 rep on any one site (such as here on MSE) - those flags will be shown to mods only, not to regular users.

Journeyman Geek

@forestdistrustsStackExchange see - there's no reason to assume someone new would harm the community. Its very "Senator! When did you stop beating your cat"

So no, not ok

I... think it's probably time to stop that line of discussion.

You don't have to trust the company but that doesn't give you leave to just be outright toxic and assume the worst at all points in time.

Journeyman Geek

Yup

"and that you recognize, particularly on sites that are so closely-held like religions, that your reference may be taken the wrong way - as a statement that the religion is homophobic or bigoted. So be careful and thoughtful and thorough and clear. :)"
I believe I have been. Main issue is a few bigots, and to a lesser extent the inaction of the sites' communities/moderators (the highly upvoted posts, the reviewers that decided the posts were A-Ok, etc.). Not intending to generalise to the entire religion.

3:30 AM

@JourneymanGeek Ok thanks, will resuggest in the next few minutes

Journeyman Geek

@Nai54 and give me a ping

I'll hold off any improvements in the meanwhile, though that's substantially what I wanted to say/get out in the open

@Dryt I think that at least part of this is a struggle that newer users often have learning how our sites work. Much of the content on our sites goes unread for years - so stuff that was posted in 2012 may not have been seen in all that time and - I think that a lot of things have changed in the time since then about our policies as it relates to this. While we created new policies, we didn't do anything to require seeking out existing content that might be problematic.

Journeyman Geek

@Dryt I've occasionally 'consulted' with one religion site that I'm topic adjacent to

"so stuff that was posted in 2012 may not have been seen in all that time "
I believe some of the posts were fairly recent. And the reviews will have been earlier today

Don't think it can all necessarily be excused as changing standards

Journeyman Geek

Part of it is really the 'source' material is all over the place (and some of it is bad or... strange), and trying to decide whether something is ok would be contextual

3:34 AM

As I've said a couple of times, your method of just editing out the entire content of the post is not something that will ever be well-received here. Regardless of what content you're removing, it's seen as destructive and vandalism. I understand and appreciate your struggle to try and get action but the meta post is the better way to go about this if flagging isn't an option. Just deleting the content without deleting the post itself (which you can't do) isn't OK.

@JourneymanGeek Ok just did

Journeyman Geek

@Dryt also - to an extent, just popping in to fix something you think is a problem, without working with the communities uh...

is very much not effective. Its a bit like someone going for a vacation someone, telling them they're all wrong, and wandering off

@Nai54 Approved. Sorry for the extra work ._.

@Dryt The ones I looked at were all from 2012 or so - but I didn't review them all - but, again, you put people on the defensive when you go about trying to remove content the way you did. It's far better to selectively edit the bad bits rather than to bulk delete the entire post. Improve it (if possible) rather than deleting. You've shown that you know how to correctly present these ideas - use that and make those edits rather than clearing the whole thing.

@JourneymanGeek np. (as a side note, I 100% support you becoming a community manager)

Journeyman Geek

@Nai54 there's a lot of support for it. Just apparently not from where it matters :(

3:38 AM

"your method of just editing out the entire content of the post"
I think the distinction that it was a suggest is important. I'm not just editing it out, I'm bringing it to attention of reviewers who presumably can take further action (e.g: deleting the post proper)
"Improve it (if possible) rather than deleting"
I'm not really sure if I can/should improve a post saying stuff like homosexuality "leads to death", "is contagious" and "needs a community in which to destroy life", etc. Would expect the reviewer to see it and delete the post

That's not what edit suggestions are for.

You didn't even take the time to actually fully explain what was problematic with the post - you just used the same exact text for each example.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

If I saw such a suggested edit in the queue, I'd likely just hit the reject button without paying any attention to the actual post's content itself.

"That's not what edit suggestions are for."
Understand that now, but when there's no flag button on the post a suggest seemed the most appropriate choice

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

So suggesting such an edit will likely not accomplish your intention of bring attention to the post's content to reviewers.

> I don't have enough reputation to flag but I feel that this post should be deleted because the content it contains is harmful and presents a bigoted statement that breaks the code of conduct. While I understand that faithfully reporting the stance that this sect takes on this subject is a valid thing to do, this post goes too far in supporting that stance as the correct behavior

I feel like we made it so that people could always flag for mod attention even without sufficient rep... did I just dream that?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

3:41 AM

No, that's not true

You need 15 rep to cast any type of flag

I do believe you still need 15 rep (barring various beta site foo)

I routinely receive flags from one of the religious sites, there's a fairly specific range of questions that frequently come up; seemingly searching exactly where the line is, of what would be tolerated - on the basis of legitimately asking for advice. --- Searching through older posts one can see that moderators and higher reputation users have reviewed the posts, and that they have an excellent tolerance for questions that I would have thought were just trolling. ---

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Spevacus Even on private beta sites

Fancy.

You can always flag your OWN posts I believe.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Spevacus Yes

3:43 AM

I swear we did this.

Maybe it was just on SO.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

If you've posted on the site before, just flag one of your own posts for mod attention and state that the post that needs action is a different post

Taking matters into your own hands on the behalf of others isn't likely to be the best solution.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Speaking of private betas, initially, the requirement to close vote was set to 1 on private beta sites, then when close votes were refactored internally to be stored as flags, this created a bug where the option to close vote would be present but casting one without 15 rep would error out. This was fixed by raising the requirement to close vote to 15 (i.e. documenting it as a 15-rep privilege)

To input my thoughts, I think flagging your own post is best, but pinging a mod in chat would surely work too? (not as good - visible to public, but in a busy chat, it would go unnoticed)

None of those were options in this case, as far as I can tell.

Journeyman Geek

3:50 AM

@Nai54 lots of sites don't have active chats

IMO best option would be making flagging available to all users - which I think is what most other websites do. But can understand that the trade-off is a lot of garbage reports

Journeyman Geek

@Dryt to some extent - we do want people who are familiar with the site to do meta-moderation tasks

15 rep shows at least a minimal understanding of the site (and the association bonus of the network)

We get a lot of... silly flags

Are there stats on what % of users don't pass the 200 rep needed for the association bonus? With how scores are usually distributed I'm betting its a significant portion

forest distrusts StackExchange

@JourneymanGeek Please see comment. I have to leave soon but I would really like to get this resolved.

forest distrusts StackExchange

4:07 AM

@JourneymanGeek It seems we're constantly at odds regarding what one of us believes the other is saying. Can we agree on assuming good faith and asking each other if we're uncertain? It would be nice if we could be on the same wavelength. I appreciate some feedback.

Why do you find it necessary to even voice the things you're thinking?

That's what I'm struggling with. Why do you think that's necessary?

forest distrusts StackExchange

@Catija What do you mean?

I voice things I'm thinking because, like a lot of people, I'm upset at the way things have been going.

Why do you feel the need to constantly be a negative voice in a room of people. You're asking for people to assume good intent when talking with you but your immediate actions are to assume bad intent from the company.

forest distrusts StackExchange

I'm a negative person, there's not much I can do about that. I'm depressed at the state of things.

It's not as bad as it was in 2019, but it still upsets me.

So understand the impact that your negativity has on others and do your best to either reign it in or reframe it. Instead of "I hope they won't do bad things" say "I'm looking forward to the positive things they're going to do for the network"...

Or just don't say anything.

forest distrusts StackExchange

4:13 AM

assume bad intent from the company - I don't think their intent is bad.

I think they're making mistakes, and that's what I mean by "bad things".

Have I been coming across all this time as saying that the company is actually intentionally evil? O_O

You outright said that you assume that the company will do things that are harmful to the community.

forest distrusts StackExchange

I don't think they're trying to do anything harmful. Far from it.

But there's a huge gap between intentional harm and accidental. We never want to be intentionally harmful - particularly not on the Public Platform or Community Teams. There are times we build things that cause harm but the goal is to make things better and there are side effects we're not always able to predict.

forest distrusts StackExchange

I think they're struggling with maintaining a good relationship with the community. I suppose I should have explicitly said "inadvertently" so as to prevent anyone from assuming I meant "intentionally"?

@Catija There is a big gap. I would have thought people knew what I meant by "cause harm".

You said yourself that you're a negative person - when you're constantly negative, people will assume you mean the most negative version of whatever you say.

So you need to make an effort to be clear.

forest distrusts StackExchange

4:18 AM

OK, I'll try harder to do that. If what I say could come across as assuming evil intent, could you tell me? It'll make it easier for me to come across the way I want.

(Thank you for being patient with me. This actually really helps)

Honestly, when there's low trust, everything you say will be scrutinized to the tiniest point. I feel like I'm generally trusted and yet, even when I post things, it's not uncommon for people to assume the absolutely worst interpretation of anything I say - so I understand how that feels - but I also appreciate your being open to seeing where things are going awry.

It's a constant learning process and we can never be perfect. I write meta posts and spend hours reviewing and having other people review them... and I still get tons of pins stuck into me and everything I say reviewed for the tiniest symbolism... which often isn't there at all... Sometimes it's just how I write or the phrase I chose that time. But it can bite you in the ass.

forest distrusts StackExchange

What makes me frustrated is that I get suspended when I make those mistakes, rather than just getting a pin stuck on me. I find it difficult to learn from that.

Eh, side benefit of diamonds everywhere - I never have to worry about that but I do have much more scrutiny - it's difficult to just hang out at times. I think the short chat suspensions can be an opportunity to get some distance from the situation and think about how things came about. That's why they're short.

forest distrusts StackExchange

In the future, could I be pulled aside and told that what I said could be construed as assuming evil intent? And if I keep going on then suspend me? Because my personality is one where getting suspended makes me continue ruminating and getting more paranoid about things.

Journeyman Geek

@forestdistrustsStackExchange Or... when someone suggests we drop a subject drop it. You asked a meta question (that's your right) and dragged on something that could have been resolved fairly early on.

You got kicked, someone felt it was not ok, and it was explained why

forest distrusts StackExchange

4:26 AM

@JourneymanGeek I was suspended after being told to drop it.

Journeyman Geek

The second one was cause you didn't.

forest distrusts StackExchange

But I was suspended the second time after I was told to drop it.

Journeyman Geek

You didn't drop it

you still haven't

forest distrusts StackExchange

I.e. I got suspended, and only then that message appeared. But right now @Catija's explanation of what I did is really helping me. Did you read the back log?

Journeyman Geek

You're still not getting it ?

forest distrusts StackExchange

4:28 AM

@JourneymanGeek @Catija was just helping me.

Journeyman Geek

Once again, it was suggested that you drop it. You... didn't

and haven't

and you have every opportunity to

forest distrusts StackExchange

@JourneymanGeek Do you want me to drop it now?

Journeyman Geek

Sure

forest distrusts StackExchange

I mean, are you telling me to? Because I'm (genuinely) trying to get help, and she's being very patient with me.

Y'all - I think we can all step back here. We had a good chat - if you want to talk somewhere else and if you think there's stuff that's unresolved, just ping me somewhere, @forestdistrustsStackExchange I think there's room to talk outside the main flow of the tavern.

forest distrusts StackExchange

4:30 AM

@Catija What room is that?

Journeyman Geek

Will do.

forest distrusts StackExchange

(I don't have really much more to say right now, just to thank you for being patient. But it'll be good to know where a better venue for this would be). So I gotta go now. Thanks for the convo. I'll try to be more explicit with how I word things in the future. later y'all

@forestdistrustsStackExchange No particular one. But if I have time I'll often respond to chat room invites.

forest distrusts StackExchange

@Catija I think I'm unable to send chat room invites.

Never sent one before on MSE, at least (the icon doesn't display for me).

Possibly related to losing room creation permissions?

forest distrusts StackExchange

4:32 AM

I dunno. I've never created a room. Not sure how I could have lost those permissions.

Is there a way I can get them back?

Getting kicked three times in a short period of time, I think.

forest distrusts StackExchange

Ah, that would explain it.

Not sure if they can be reinstated.

forest distrusts StackExchange

Really? Wow. That's unfortunate.

I think @SonictheAnonymousHedgehog has requested for that to be changed at some point in the past.

forest distrusts StackExchange

4:35 AM

I'll ask on MSE sometime later. Gotta actually make dinner now. o/

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Catija No, I never made such a request

The thing I was talking about was that an unhandled chat invitation from a long time ago in the past shouldn't preclude another user from re-issuing the same invitation. In other words, chat invitations should expire. But I never actually filed that.

@forestdistrustsStackExchange Try this link: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/new and see if you get a ban message

(fixed link)

Ah

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Catija A moderator can reinstate them.

@Catija pretty sure they can... chat user > mod tools > permissions > remove restriction or somesuch?

Ah, yes. Gotta love Chat's weird little quirks.

4:47 AM

It's like hidden away in that permissions change log that nobody ever looks at

1 hour later…

forest distrusts StackExchange

6:16 AM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I get no chat ban message, however I also seem to have the ability to make new rooms now, so the new room creation ban must have been manually removed.

I don't know about you, but I didn't test it by clicking on the download link for the google drive.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@forestdistrustsStackExchange It's a known phishing scam affecting many Internet sites. Flag as spam.

forest distrusts StackExchange

I clicked it. File not found.

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog What is it phishing for?

Oh, now it seems to load.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

It's malware

forest distrusts StackExchange

StolenImages_Evidence.zip

$ zipdetails StolenImages_Evidence.zip

0000 LOCAL HEADER #1       04034B50
0004 Extract Zip Spec      14 '2.0'
0005 Extract OS            00 'MS-DOS'
0006 General Purpose Flag  0002
     [Bits 1-2]            2 'Fast Compression'
0008 Compression Method    0008 'Deflated'
000A Last Mod Time         529D32AC 'Thu Apr 29 06:21:24 2021'
000E CRC                   5A26B71A
0012 Compressed Length     00001AD1
0016 Uncompressed Length   00004EE6
001A Filename Length       0018
001C Extra Length          0000

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

6:22 AM

@forestdistrustsStackExchange Upload it to VirusTotal

forest distrusts StackExchange

I'm analyzing it myself.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

I'm not going to touch it. Feel free if you want to

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Let forest have his fun.

forest distrusts StackExchange

Oh boring, it's just a js.

Journeyman Geek

(he knows what he's doing, and probably is going to complain over how lame it is :D )

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

6:24 AM

@JourneymanGeek Clarified what I meant

Journeyman Geek

@forestdistrustsStackExchange Its a low effort, get the low hanging fruit scam... its hardly going to be artistic

forest distrusts StackExchange

yup

randomware

7:03 AM

@forestdistrustsStackExchange There's a business model here.... subscribe and you get a random computer program each month. Could be a game, could be a help for doing taxes XD

forest distrusts StackExchange

:p

2 hours later…

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

9:07 AM

☺☻

forest distrusts StackExchange

10:04 AM

> Yahoo Answers is shutting down on May 4th, 2021 (Eastern Time) and the Yahoo Answers website is now in read-only mode. There will be no changes to other Yahoo properties or services, or your Yahoo account. You can find more information about the Yahoo Answers shutdown and how to download your data on this help page.

nooooo

How am I going to get my fill of Q&A lulz now?

Journeyman Geek

@forestdistrustsStackExchange Quora

forest distrusts StackExchange

Quora can't hold a candle up to YA.

I mean, what does Quora have that can match something of pure gold like this?

> They need to do way instain mother> who kill thier babbys, becuse these babby cant fright back? It was on the news this mroing a mother in ar who had kill her three kids, they are taking the three babby back to new york too lady to rest. my pary are with the father who lost his chrilden ; i am truley sorry for your lots

As the thoughtful and useful answer to:

> how is babby formed? how girl get pragnent?

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/21/…

Rest in Pieces

but Quora accepts cranks ;)

forest distrusts StackExchange

True.

But nothing beats the terse, quality answers such as "I dunno" or "why would you ask that?"

anyway, good to know that Japanese Yahoo! Q&A is still living~

forest distrusts StackExchange

10:12 AM

Are they as inane as the English version?

no, it's a serious Q&A site

forest distrusts StackExchange

oh

Journeyman Geek

@MetaAndrewT. IMPOSSIBIRU!

forest distrusts StackExchange

das racist

desu

1 hour later…

11:16 AM

@Sha Is that a reference to the Half-Moon / B&W cookies of Utica NY?

@forestdistrustsStackExchange an old gaming magazine here once said Yahoo Answers was actually an online game. A competition to give the most idiotic answers ever.

2

Basically, their thesis was that Yahoo Answers is the original game that ... Cards against humanity then copied.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

11:53 AM

@forestdistrustsStackExchange Finally!!1!!! 15 years too late. 15 years of ~~crap~~ purely low quality contents roaming free.

lol

@Rob it wasn't intended to be, but now that you say that.... yes, probably my subconscious at work. ;)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard on the contrary, they were once contained...

12:11 PM

Quick question - does anyone know if stupid Edge has a way to disable hiding the "HTTP://" on not-https sites?

It is despicable to work with whenever you have to manually edit urls to work with a web app / site that is not in https.

@SPArcheon I think it helps if you talk nicely to it, instead of calling it stupid :p

user image

Journeyman Geek

@SPArcheon its worse.

Everything is chrome

@SPArcheon "hey, where did you get my childhood photo?"

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

1:05 PM

@SPArcheon sure. Don't work with Edge. Problem solved.

;)

user image

.... I think this one could become a new button.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@SPArcheon yes please! :P

mooning

Journeyman Geek

@SPArcheon hm, dosen't seem to be in edgium

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

:D

1:28 PM

@JourneymanGeek 𝕽𝔢𝔪𝔦𝔫𝔡𝔢𝔯: 𝕴 𝔨𝔫𝔬𝔴 𝔴𝔥𝔞𝔱 𝔨𝔦𝔫𝔡 𝔬𝔣 𝔣𝔬𝔫𝔱𝔰 𝔞𝔯𝔢 𝔰𝔲𝔭𝔢𝔯-𝔢𝔣𝔣𝔢𝔠𝔱𝔦𝔳𝔢 𝔞𝔤𝔞𝔦𝔫𝔰𝔱 𝔶𝔬𝔲 :𝔓

user image

and.. the other button still works, @ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard

Journeyman Geek

@SPArcheon I was trying to find the answer. Its a design antipattern, the knaves

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

1:52 PM

@SPArcheon :P

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

2:05 PM

Supermarket time!

@Journeyman you can put something like "Inappropriate contents removed"

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard yeah, probably

I'm a little low on spoons today

Vote for Stack Overflow in this year’s Webby Awards!

Ryan Donovan on April 29, 2021

We’re honored to be nominated for a Webby Award again.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@JourneymanGeek spoons?

@Feeds Such an ugly image.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Ask Neo for one.

Journeyman Geek

2:07 PM

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoon_theory

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Tinkeringbell the full image is fine-ish

user image

The blog crop it in a weird way for some reason instead of resizing it.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard not sure its any less ugly

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Yeah, lol. Just took another look.

Is this some attempt for a pun with "No" and "minated"?

@JourneymanGeek There's this perfect 5 minute craft parody of turning a fork into a spoon :P

That I can't find right now.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I just think its someone with no design sense

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

2:11 PM

@JourneymanGeek aka pure developer? (I'm one lol, my coworkers know better than ask me for help with design. ;))

Journeyman Geek

it looks almost like a ransom note by someone who wants to get paid so he sends a nicer ransom note next time

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

lol

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard No one's going to see it

Yeah I'm firmly of the opinion that that's just as bad, but larger

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@JourneymanGeek mods will.

Anyway it's not SE doing.

Journeyman Geek

2:12 PM

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard of there there are 3

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

And others using it as well.

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Was the original corrupted and they tried to restore it by using some in low quality painting tool that went horribly wrong?

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard ... but... it looks like something broke.

Is the c1997 supposed to imply the art is from the 90s?

Journeyman Geek

@Catija The colour palette is pure CGA

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@SPArcheon no, see on Twitter.

2:14 PM

... Honestly, I have a guess that that image was created by the Webby awards people, not us.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Catija yup, on purpose, to re-make the past or something.

(i.e. the graphics from 1997)

If the idea is that they're celebrating 25 years of awards, then I can understand why they'd muck with making the image look like it's from 25 years ago... but... wow, that's ugly.

That said, there's no similar artwork on their website.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@JourneymanGeek SE staff will see it as well. More than 3. ;)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard also, I kinda don't want to keep bumping it

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

I think? @Catija SE staff without a diamond see the actual contents of posts marked as spam, like moderators?

2:17 PM

By default? I don't know. Anyone can see the content if they go to the history, though.

Journeyman Geek

Unless I have some major change in content, or someone posts an answer...

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@sam whoa that's a long display name. lol

Oh, but if they're deleted. I don't think non-diamond staff can see deleted posts.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I don't think Cat has the full context

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@Catija sure, I mean by default, as we're discussing whether it's good idea to change it again.

Journeyman Geek

2:18 PM

@Catija I deleted and edited a junk answer on my post

I saw the answer.

Not sure why they'd do that.

Journeyman Geek

\o/

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

Classic trolling? Never liked that user. And that's not the first time they pull something like this off.

I can see it and it's obnoxious, so editing is good.

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

sending @Bab to a lab

2:22 PM

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard me?

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@BabaYaga no other @Bab's here. :D

Or Bob.

How's the lab? @Bab

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard what lab? incase you are referring to a John wick movie i'm wacting the second now

watching*

@Catija I would say that usually computer pictures do not rot and grow mold, but this one surely did...

Journeyman Geek

There's no labs in it

What about crabs?

Journeyman Geek

2:25 PM

One beagle, a pitbull and 2 malinois...

@JourneymanGeek well, them what lab @ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard

@Catija They should've added something like that april fool's cursor :P Then you'd love it :P

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@BabaYaga this, of course. ;)

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard ah russian witch

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, lives in a house with giant chicken legs

Kinda wierd they called John Wick that :D

2:31 PM

@JourneymanGeek yes if someone googles my username they take me for a witch :/

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@Tinkeringbell No, I think that even in this case, sparkly cursor trails could't fix it.

worst part: teachers try to make a change but can't

🎉

@Catija Not too important to point this out, but they can!

Journeyman Geek

Moderators can't destroy employee accounts, they get this error when they try:

User X cannot be destroyed because they are a moderator or an employee. Users who are moderators or employees can only be destroyed by a developer or community team member. The Stack Exchange community team has been notified.

— Smitop Mar 25 at 19:56

Who was crazy enough to science this?

2:45 PM

Reaching for the destroy button on a mod/staff member... Yowza.

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog gone

@JourneymanGeek should have been done on the SE Hacker at that time :D

Journeyman Geek

:D

@JourneymanGeek heh, once a SOes mod suspended the Community user "for science"

we... didn't have an error message to prevent that

Journeyman Geek

@g3rv4 I'm entirely familiar with the sorta crazy things mods do for science :D

2:51 PM

@g3rv4 Did that actually work? I thought mods (the Community user is a mod of sorts, right?) were immune to suspensions.

Community user is still not a staff though

@Spevacus it did, and caused lots of problems

Oof. Yikes.

Community is a frankenusermod

Journeyman Geek

@Spevacus Mods tend to.... be curious about the full extent of what they can do :D

2:53 PM

Given buttons, humans tend to want to press them. Given lots of buttons... Well. :)

@JourneymanGeek Didn't you suspend yourself?

Journeyman Geek

@MetaAndrewT. I got review banned

ah...

Journeyman Geek

Were you around when they tweaked the queues and suddently we had a ton of posts in the review queues?

Yeah, I was there

Journeyman Geek

2:55 PM

Yeah, I decided to try to clear it out

and I didn't realise I could un review ban myself :D

@JourneymanGeek When you got review banned, could you still do a review?

Apparently, though, suspending the Community user in a Team has no ill effects...

Journeyman Geek

@MetaAndrewT. no

@RyanM One would hope they fixed it :D

@JourneymanGeek oh... I had the wrong assumption until now... I thought mod status will trump any restriction...

Journeyman Geek

@MetaAndrewT. You don't however have a maximum number of reviews per day

Which of course makes it easier to get in trouble

Or didn't

haven't done that with the new system nor do I hope I ever need to :D

3:02 PM

so... they can unsuspend themselves, but they still can't do the suspended action...

Journeyman Geek

No no

if you unsuspend yourself you're fine

but you can get review banned

in the worst case of a mod getting suspended... (because I kind of remember it happened by request)

Journeyman Geek

yup

Was on chat wasn't it? :D

can't remember if it's on here, SU, MSE, or SO @_@

Journeyman Geek

Most likely SO

I'd know if it was SU, and MSE has very few mods :D

3:17 PM

anyway, back to the real question about "destroying employee/mod accounts"... at least it has been tried before in 2018

15

A: Is it possible for a mod to delete the community user?

No, it's not possible. I can fill in a form specifying the reason for deletion, but upon submitting I get a 500 Internal Server Error page: Oops! Something Bad Happened! We apologize for any inconvenience, but an unexpected error occurred while you were browsing our site.

(though it's very WP:BEANS)

attempt at deleting the Community:

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attempt at destroying the Community:

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> The Stack Exchange community team has been notified.

... oh no. hides

"the mods are mucking around again"

3:35 PM

Gone.

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Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

3:54 PM

@BabaYaga hehehe :P

@SPArcheon R.I.P

You were a hot soup, Andrew.

You will be ~~missed~~ sipped.

:-D

You know what hiding accomplishes?

4:17 PM

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Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

5:27 PM

Anyone know when Yaakov was scheduled to return from his sabbatical?

5:51 PM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I'm sure he'll drop by to say hi when he's back, or you'll see him tagging the front page again.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Well, sure, but the question is, when was he scheduled to return? I heard it was for six weeks?

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog doesn't make much sense, sabbatical should be whole year. No?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Oh, wait, I found it:

Apr 19 at 8:01, by Luuklag

@Luuklag He should still have 2 weeks or more from his sabatical left. Seeing it was 6 weeks and started 24th of may according to his twitter.

*March

Still has a week left

samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz

6:18 PM

@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard not everybody can have such a nice and concise name like you :)

Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard

:D

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