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Moshe

3:45 AM

Hullo folks.

mootinator

hi

Moshe

Been quite a day.

How's by you, @mootinator?

mootinator

4:02 AM

I was just giggling at a press release I received in my work e-mail.

Moshe

Heh?

Someone is spamming me from within my iBrooklyn app, hah.

mootinator

As I may have mentioned the company I was consulting for was recently acquired, and we're rewriting an ASP.NET MVC app for the JVM in order that it might fit with their new IT strategy where everything is that.

Moshe

ASP -> JVM as in .NET to Java?

mootinator

Right, but grails so JVM.

Moshe

Ah, ok.

mootinator

4:05 AM

This press release was about this company now being acquired by an even larger US firm.

Moshe

So you've been fishfooded?

mootinator

It reassured us that the day-to-day operations wouldn't change, but I was still amused to discover that they appear to be primarily a .NET/MSSQL company.

Moshe

So the strategy changes again.

mootinator

Sorry, not press release, memo.

Who knows...

Moshe

lol

Well, my 27" i(ntern)Mac is on its way from Union City CA, which is funny because there's an Apple Store about 20 blocks up 5th ave.

mootinator

4:07 AM

Hah.

Moshe

Yea, and I feel like a real programmer, debating app strategy while silently writing the iOS app, aka, doing it my way while everyone debates.

Mobile dev is that quick that I can "mock up" a UI in a few weeks while the rest of the API is built and the web based version is shipped.

By mock up I mean build nearly in its entirety.

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mootinator

I think you might be using that expression wrong.

Moshe

@mootinator what word?

mootinator

;)

Wait. Mockup is a word.

Head explodes.

Moshe

runs around with hands on head, too freaked out to pick up the pieces

is too lazy to upload a "Pick up ALL THE THINGS" meme photo

mootinator

4:14 AM

Yeah, me too.

Moshe

Well, Messages for Mac is broken.

Yay for running beta software in production.

mootinator

I'm too lazy to post the Dos Equis guy saying: "I don't always run beta software; but when I do I run it in production."

So here, you can have the close enough original one.

mootinator

5:11 AM

Tomorrow is Playbook OS 2.0 day. Yippie.

Yi Jiang's Proble_

12:03 PM

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Octavian Damiean

Cause you hax!

Yi Jiang's Proble_

@OctavianDamiean Quiet, you! *zaps Octavian with my wand*

Octavian Damiean

:D

Yi Jiang's Proble_

> I think that we have to turn to the great philosopher Rumsfeld, who famously opined about "known knowns", "known unknowns", and "unknown unknowns."

Aristos

1:15 PM

you can not know anything for the unknown, you only can suspect that something exist. :) but you do not even know what it is :)

Octavian Damiean

Well, of course you don't know what it is, otherwise it wouldn't unknown. :D

Aristos

well there is nice think here...

what Socrates do.

Socrates, speak for some thinks and when realize that reach at something that did not know he actually say so "I do not know this" and there is start the learning, start to look for this...

the error of people is that they have learn to say "I believe that is like this", but they soul say, only "I know that this is" or "I do not know (so I willing to learn from some else)"

I have make some questions, but I know the answer, and people that do not know the answer they prefer to say "this is not exist", than not answer :)

So here is the trick: to realize and accept something when you do not know it.

Octavian Damiean

1:31 PM

Well, there is a subtle difference between something unknown and something nonexistent, yes. :)

Anonymous

@YiJiangsProble_ I just started listening to Jon Skeet on Hanselminutes, and all of a sudden he mentions "unknown unknowns". I can't remember how I ended up on the Hanselminutes page, so my guess is that we both clicked the same link and it led you to post that.

Anonymous

If that wasn't your inspiration, then I guess it's a coincidence and I don't know how I ended up listening to this.

Yi Jiang's Proble_

@JeremyBanksʬʬʬ Coincidence. I was quoting a Philosophy.SE answer :P

Anonymous

Well, how about that.

Octavian Damiean

@YiJiangsProble_ That's no coincidence, Philosophy.SE of course has it from Jon Skeet.

Anonymous

1:33 PM

I guess the cause of me listening to the podcast will remain a known unknown.

Aristos

do you know that philosophy speak basic on logic ? and logic is what programmers every day work with ? and programmers can be great philosophers if change the computer language with the natural language ?

Ólafur Waage

Elloh.

Yi Jiang's Proble_

@Aristos No.

Octavian Damiean

Almost everything except of emotions is based on logic.

Anonymous

Paul Graham on Philosophy. (Dunno, the programmer/philosopher topic reminded me of this.)

Aristos

1:35 PM

@OctavianDamiean And human feelings are base on logic :) and I can prove you that...

Octavian Damiean

That'd be interesting.

Aristos

ok I try to say as little as I can :)

Octavian Damiean

Reworded that, I actually meant emotions. :)

Aristos

yes the same I mean, emotions.

The word logic is come from the Greek (that I am) Logos + On -> λογος + ον -> the speak of an existing person, actually is the speak.

but when we refer to the word "logic" we do not only mean the speak !

the Aristotelis make the book, that called "Organon" that actually later we give the name on Logic.

but if you think "animals have also logic"

what is actually logic ? Aristotelis say that clear, and as you programmers you can understand it better.

When we say logic, we actually mean all the "combination" of the input that we have, and that we place them all together to a "program" to TAKE a decision.

So all input that we have they include e-motions ! and emotions is part of the logic.

Actually the word logic is not the correct. Aristotelis call it "Organon" -> the instrument ! that we have :)

When some people in some books say: "animals have no logic" they mean, that animals they can not speak a language like we do. Do you have read that correct ?

Ólafur Waage

So is everybody partying today?

Aristos

1:45 PM

Computers that work only with correct logic did not have input emotions.
Humans that have many inputs did not have correct working logic.

Octavian Damiean

1:59 PM

While I don't really agree that emotions are explainable with logic I totally agree that animals certainly have logic.

Aristos

ok let me clear: animals have logic.

but what we refer as logic, the correct word must be : "combination" or "instrument" is something that reads the inputs, make compare/calculations etc, and return a result.

so basic on this Aristotelis meaning of the logic, emotion is one of the inputs on this "instrument" and so logic include emotions !

Octavian Damiean

No, that is not correct. Just because emotions can be an input to logic as you say, it doesn't mean that it will result something logical.

Aristos

@OctavianDamiean emotions can explained, even if you do not know it :) Is a very specific think. I stop here this talk about emotions :)

@OctavianDamiean What is the word of the opposite of the logical ?

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