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3:34 AM
@TimStone What?! Java is beyond reproach!
 
JPA is evil and should die. Long live Dapper!
 
Groovy/GORM is just fine.
Though dapper is much simpler yet.
I'm thinking you could implement a dapper clone with Groovy easily.
 
Hmm, that's an interesting prospect.
 
 
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4:39 AM
I'd like to propose a new Meta close reason for people who post blatantly off-topic questions:
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None of that "closed as" nonsense, just that.
 
4:55 AM
This would also work:
 
True. I went with Jackie Chan because he seems to be conveying more of a sense of complete disbelief, where Picard seems to just be disappointed.
Of course, we could really raise the stakes and bring out the Picard double-facepalm.
 
True.
Or there's always the classic Y U NO guy
 
nods
 
 
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6:48 AM
Hullo
Tempted to pull an all nighter writing an Android version of iBrooklyn.
But, meh, not happening.
 
O_O
 
I never coded for Android before.
But I just had fun making iBrooklyn for iOS much cooler.
 
I see
 
The subtle details make all the difference. And my input editor sucks right now, but that's the tedium on iOS - writing input editors.
So, bedtime it is.
 
Night
 
 
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9:37 AM
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Q: Is it just me or is SO with all its good intention just contributing to all the crap the internet is gathering?

Mike ClarkeSeriously, I can’t ask Google an IT question anymore without SO being the first five pages of answers, and all I get is people asking the same questions in a different ways with a bunch of answers that don’t quite cut it. I understand that the intention of SO is to not do that, but if so it’s not...

what's with the "I built my first web site in 1996, not long after Tim created the WWW"
I can't quite shake the "troll" feeling
 
@JeremyBanksʬʬʬ On the other hand, it's quite effectively generating publicity for Google Science Fair
@JeremyBanksʬʬʬ Hmmmm, I noticed something with that question.
What's the post score limit at which posts won't get bumped any more?
 
I didn't know there was one
 
@awoodland There is. At some point a question can get enough downvotes such that any future bump-able actions won't push it to the front again
 
hang on that's the same user who has the most negative voted question on the main site
which makes no sense at all either
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Q: Ken Thompson B language is Go language. Will it change the C and Unix to new revolution?

IBMSir. Ken Thompson is working in Google since 2006: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Thompson Himself he wrote B language before C, which is similar now to Go-language syntax from Google. B code: printn(n,b) { extern putchar; auto a; if(a=n/b) /* assignment, not test fo...

same user
 
It's interesting because the Google Science Fair question has not only been not bumped by the latest edit, it seems to have disappeared completely from the front page
 
10:11 AM
it looks like either an odd rage quit or a spam bot
 
Is it because of the no bump mechanism that caused that question to be delisted from the active list?
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Q: It’s time Google blocked SO from it search engine!

Mike ClarkeI wrote a post about 20mins ago and was shut down in about 5mins for being not constructive but not before down voting me by -5. This is one reason why SO should be remove. Here is my sht down post Is it just me or is SO with all its good intention just contributing to all the crap the internet i...

Someone's committing rep suicide!
 
@YiJiangsProble_ It'd be kind of funny if that question became one of the top hits for Stack Overflow on Google
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1:21 PM
@YiJiangsProble_ >_>
 
2:31 PM
Can comments be migrated by moderators?
(from one post onto another)
 
I believe that they can only be migrated from an answer to the question in cases where the answer is converted to a comment, otherwise only deleted.
 
 
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3:36 PM
Can anyone recommend iOS apps that deal with contact info to look for inspiration ?
 
4:23 PM
Oh. Hey @Moshe, I read your blog post that you linked to me the other day. Good stuff once again! And congrats on the popularity of your iBrooklyn app =)
 
Thanks. @jadarnel.
Mocking up stuff at my new internship. Contact UIs are an interesting beast.
 
5:29 PM
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Q: Do we really need a tag for every error code?

KennyTMThere are at least 113 208 tags on Stack Overflow which are compiler or database error code. Except [mysql-error-1064]for 26 of the 208, all of them are used less than 20 times. I believe those 112 207 error codes do not deserve specific tags. They should be synonym-ed and/or merged into more g...

I just noticed someone retagging a question with a mysql-error-____ tag today and found the above post. Does anyone else think it's a terrible idea to have all these error code tags?
 
5:48 PM
@jadarnel27 Yes, they're horrible and should die.
 
HALLO EVERYONE.
one day closer to the great abdication.
 
@TimStone It seems like a few people have worked really hard to make the mysql-error- tags stick. They all have tag wikis describing the error and why it happens. shudders
> The 1064 error indicates a syntax error in the query (INSERT, UPDATE, DELETE, SELECT, etc.) submitted to MySQL.
Seriously. How is that helpful?
/rant
 
6:05 PM
@jadarnel27 I haven't touched MySQL myself in years, so I don't have a horse in this race (or whatever the expression is) but that seems to me like it has some value.
In other news, rejoice, rejoice, kbd Cody Gray is back (apologies to Pekka)!
 
Apparently people don't use greyhound buses much.
 
@PopularDemand Sorry, I meant it has no value as a tag / in the tag wiki. It's certainly a helpful error, but that's pretty much the exact error text mySQL gives you back when you have a syntax error.
> ERROR 1064 (42000): You have an error in your SQL syntax ...
So I don't see the point in repeating it here =)
 
@mootinator Indeed, I wouldn't categorize most Greyhound passengers as people either.
Not that I've had, y'know, bad experiences on their buses, or anything.
 
@PopularDemand :P
 
@jadarnel27 Ah, I see.
 
6:10 PM
That lack of any long-term parking near the station aside from at hospitals I find odd.
 
6:37 PM
@PopularDemand Arguably the same error code only has so many explanations though, even if everyone thinks their case is "unique." So the tag should be fairly limited in scope, which kind of takes away from its utility as a tag - especially if people are going to list out the error code in the question anyway, since it's just as searchable then.
 
That's fair. I was imagining a "here are examples of situations that commonly lead to this error appearing" list.
 
7:18 PM
Sorry, I did not mean to start an on-topic meta discussion in the tavern. Somehow that just seems wrong =)
jadarnel27 changes room topic to unicornz and glitter
 
Yay, Flo is here.
 
@mootinator Ha! You are awesome.
 
7:45 PM
Question for the room: How many "ignored tags" do you guys have (on whichever SE site you use most)?
 
@TimStone Well that's not very many at all =)
I have ~20 on SO. I'm just curious if my usage of them is typical. Or if it's high. Or low.
 
Also 0
 
Perhaps the tavern is not the right place to ask about "typical use". I forget that you guys are weirdos.
=P
 
8:13 PM
I bet @MarcGravell would know if 20 ignored tags was high, low, or normal. Of course, he probably has much better and more interesting things to do =)
 
0
Can that by queried?
 
Good question. I didn't even check =/
Ok. Now I checked.
@Moshe It's not available through the Users table on Stack Exchange Data Explorer
 
Anonymous
9:05 PM
0, but I had been ignoring a few Facebook tags for a while.
 
@jadarnel27 Seventeen. There is plenty I don't know and need to learn about topics that do interest me at the moment.
 
@JeremyBanksʬʬʬ Ha, Facebook is one of mine =)
@PopularDemand That's a good point. I guess my focus on what I'm interested in reading about is pretty narrow.
I really appreciate all of your feedback guys =) Thanks for taking the time to indulge my curiosity.
 
@jadarnel27 Have you tried using Stack Exchange filters instead of ignoring tags on Stack Overflow proper?
 
@Chris I'm unfamiliar with Stack Exchange filters. What do you mean by that, exactly?
 
Oh my god
I can't believe how many people are unaware of them
 
9:13 PM
Haha. Have I missed something big here?
 
Oh just tell him about them already.
 
Anonymous
THEY'RE HUGE
 
They need additional functionality to be useful. >_>
Although they do feed the Election Statistics site, since there's no other good way to get that information.
 
@jadarnel27 They let you filter out questions with only the tags you specify across the entire Stack Exchange network
@TimStone What functionality would that be?
 
Anonymous
9:15 PM
I never visit them because I always forget they exist when I need them. Maybe if they were the SE.com homepage for logged-in users or something, people would actually know and care.
 
@jadarnel27 You can also browse the popular filters to give you an idea of how they work
@JeremyBanksʬʬʬ Yeah, I think there was a feature request to bring the filters to the individual Stack Exchange sites
 
@Chris The lack of AND and NOT in the tag queries is a bit bothersome.
 
@Chris OMG. That is fantabulastirific.
 
I think there's already a pending feature request for that, though.
 
@jadarnel27 I know!!!
@TimStone I'll upvote it if you have a link to it
 
9:18 PM
Not handy, I'll see if I can dig it up later though.
 
@TimStone Can you use AND/NOT queries anywhere on Stack Exchange?
 
@Chris Thanks for sharing. You now have edit privs on SO ;-)
 
I wasn't aware that the search feature allowed them
@jadarnel27 Nice, thanks
Embarrassing that I don't really spend that much time on SO itself
 
Sure, like this search
 
@TimStone Oh, weird. So the search feature supports AND and NOT, but it doesn't support OR?
And Stack Exchange filters support OR, but they don't support AND and NOT?
 
9:21 PM
Search supports OR too, but it's not fully supported.
But yeah, basically.
 
So it's partially supported? Undefined behavior?
 
Admittedly I don't have much intention of using the Stack Exchange filters anyway, but they'd be much more powerful with the additional options.
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Q: Search [tag1] OR [tag2]

bricknerIs there a way to search questions that are tagged with either tag1 or tag2? Actually, I would like the general filter, ([tag1] AND [tag2], ...) OR ([tag3] AND [tag4], ...) OR ... And even [tag1] AND ([tag2] OR [tag3]) I need that because I'm looking for interesting questions and ...

Though the top answer on that question is a misfeature, as the comments detail.
 
Ah hah
Posted by Jeff Atwood on October 12th, 2008

Until recently, we hadn’t done a good job of providing a user interface for combining tags. You’ll notice that all the question browsers now show “related tags”, with a count of how many tags are shown for whatever view you happen to be in (with the exception of search):

Let’s say I clicked on the Python tag, anywhere on the Stack Overflow site. Clicking on a tag zips you away to a view of all the questions within that particular tag. Within the tag view, you can sort and browse as expected, but you can also click the related tags in the right sidebar to combine tags, like so: …

That was. . .quite some time ago ^_^
And this is very strange:
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A: Search [tag1] OR [tag2]

waiwai933Search for [tag1] [or] [tag2]. It's the weirdest thing in the world SE tag searching.

 
Well, it's a bug in the search parser, so it probably should die. :P
 
9:38 PM
strictly speaking the parser knows what is going on; it is the renderer at fault
 
Ah, well, just quoting Nick. I'll let you cage match among yourselves to determine who's right. :P
 
@jadarnel27 I queried it once - by comparison to the pathological worst case we found, that is nothing
 
Actually, now I'm curious what happens if I create the tag...
 
@TimStone At least give the rest of us a chance to log out first, man!
 
@jadarnel27 Well, at least one person has 80 ignored tags...
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Q: jQuery UI effects deactivated if too many ignored tags

CharlesBOriginal question, shortened for clarity It's been a few days that jQuery is inactive on the Stack Overflow pages I load. First I thought it was because my network was blocking some servers hosting the JavaScript code, but today being annoyed, I opened the Firefox console and saw that jQuery has...

 
9:46 PM
@MarcGravell Hahaha, 10-4. The pathological worst case sounds pretty scary.
 
sighs I have a feeling that even though I keep trying to use C# in my Java code, it won't magically transform itself.
 
@TimStone Good find! That is quite a bit more than mine =)
 
I thought there was a reference somewhere where a user admitted to having upwards of 120, but I'm not sure if that's true.
 
10:02 PM
My oh my. I don't think I'll need quite that many =P
 
Hmm, someone dropped out of the UX elections?
 
@TimStone For what it's worth, he actually appears to have 192 ignored tags
 
Oh, doh. Maybe that's what I was thinking of, then :)
 
I can't imagine what his sidebar must look like
 

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