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Shadow Wizard

2:00 PM

suspecting Wikipedia conspiracy

EKons

how rude Google

you see destruction and your only word is "monochrome"?!

Tinkeringbell

Here's what it looks like if regular fireworks go off during a house fire (my village again). And that's likely why you're only allowed to store 25 kg of fireworks at a time :P

@ShadowWizard :D Why are you googling that image though ? :P

Shadow Wizard

lol

@Tinkeringbell to see where is it from, see the story behind it. :)

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Source is in Dutch, here: digibron.nl/search/detail/012ddda90583d330a9df493a/…

EKons

I think I once saw a video of a firework factory being destroyed...

Shadow Wizard

2:02 PM

ouch

EKons

and by "once" I mean "a few times"

Tinkeringbell

@EKons Did I link the one in Enschede yet?

rene

@EKons yeah, google for Enschede ...

that went out with a bang and lots of casualties

EKons

ooooooouch that's a lot worse than the one I've seen

Tinkeringbell

Vuurwerkramp enschede Beelden Explosie

►

Oooh... here's an English language one: youtube.com/watch?v=3OHRjiGJYB0

Shadow Wizard

2:07 PM

Well, the most common and fatal mistake, probably, is that people don't treat fireworks as explosives, while they should.

Tinkeringbell

Yep.

EKons

the fact that they shoot up and explode in a particular way doesn't make them less of an explosive

Tinkeringbell

Though some people also forget they're fire... So you get things like the Nieuwjaarsbrand in Volendam. That was a really sad thing too.

EKons

or simply don't consider the fact that, even though they're not fire after exploding, they literally work by lighting them on fire!

like, the very definition of an explosive

Mithrandir

@Tinkeringbell The interviews aren't in English though, and don't have fireworks...

Tinkeringbell

2:13 PM

@Mithrandir Most of it is in English. Don't be so picky :P

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell yeah and it wasn't really fireworks there.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard I'll find the part that goes boom.

youtu.be/Ll8afE5YgmA?t=94 That should come close

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell wrong room ;)

grabbing message from Tavern

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Ugh.

← 3 messages moved from Tavern on the Meta

EKons

hm... didn't we have those one-way toilets where you pee and it goes to Tavern brewery?

Shadow Wizard

2:18 PM

@EKons nah, @Bart smashed them with his Smiting Stick

EKons

ouch... they were good toilets

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell thanks! /cc @Mith who actually was the one asking for it. ;)

@Tink I meant no fireworks in the cafe fire accident.

It was some ordinary cracker, the likes you put on a birthday cake. No?

Tinkeringbell

> after a sparkler hit Christmas decorations that hung from the ceiling

sparklers are considered fireworks over here too ;)

Shadow Wizard

sparkler, yeah.. forgot the word.

Tinkeringbell

Lower category than the ones we're planning on firing tonight, but still called fireworks

Shadow Wizard

2:21 PM

Still, it's considered something pretty ordinary, on its own.

The tragedy happened due to the place being totally not fire proof, and over crowded.

EKons

superflammable decorations...

Shadow Wizard

yup

And no exists

EKons

wait what

Shadow Wizard

Well, there were exists, but blocked with stuff.

EKons

NO EXITS?

Shadow Wizard

2:24 PM

@EKons only one.

EKons

EMERGENCY EXITS BLOCKED WITH STUFF?!

Shadow Wizard

No emergency fire exists.

@EKons yup, the owners were sent to jail.

EKons

IMO, they deserve death...

Shadow Wizard

meh... no death sentence in Europe.

EKons

ik

death sentence isn't always unreasonable

Shadow Wizard

2:26 PM

Though third degree murder of 14 people would make sense.

(leading to life sentence in prison, probably?)

EKons

(and life sentence is what, 25 years?)

Shadow Wizard

But it's old... they're all probably free by now.

@EKons depends on country, I think.

EKons

yep

Tinkeringbell

@EKons Taking a life only makes sense if you can give a life too ;)

EKons

actually... you are responsible for death, you must try death yourself, simple (unless you are in bad state of mind)

Shadow Wizard

2:27 PM

@Tinkeringbell or as a way to deter others from doing those things.

@EKons it's not that simple, but yeah.... generally speaking, I also think it can be good thing to have in extreme cases. In Israel only a military court can sentence one to death, as far as I remember.

(usually for treason during war)

EKons

well... yeah, adolescents can't technically be responsible for death AFAIK

Shadow Wizard

@EKons sure they can... children can't. But main reason against death sentence for a single murder is the fact sometimes court is mistaken, judge can be wrong, police can fake facts, etc.

Oh, you mean technically. Yeah.

EKons

actually, "fake facts" can be ruled out if evidence is shown to the whole jury and there's an unanimous agreement that it's proof

Shadow Wizard

When guilt is obvious and proved beyond any doubt, and the damage is really big, e.g. terror attack, death sentence should be used, no doubt.

@EKons evidence can be planted.

Or the other way around.

EKons

jury can be planted?

I... don't think jury works like that though

Shadow Wizard

2:34 PM

lol no

But police can bring evidence they planted, and nobody can tell it's not real.

EKons

actually, nothing can be 100% foolproof

rene

Plants are better not trusted ...

Shadow Wizard

@EKons related, interesting reading for you, probably:

Murder of Tair Rada

The Murder of Tair Rada, a 13-year-old Israeli schoolgirl, was committed in 2006, in the girls' bathroom of her school in Katzrin. Roman Zadorov (Ukrainian: Роман Задоров; Hebrew: רומן זדורוב‎), a Ukrainian and a resident of Israel, is serving a life sentence for the murder. His prosecution and conviction have been a source of controversy, receiving a lot of media coverage, as well as being the focus of an Israeli documentary TV-series called "Shadow of Truth" that has gained worldwide attention on Netflix. == Murder and initial investigation == on December 2006, 13-year-old Tair Rada of Katzrin...

You can jump to "Shadow of Truth"

Police didn't plant evidence, but they did other bad things.

EKons

ew

rushed conviction never good

Shadow Wizard

TL;DR: convicted murderer might be actually not guilty of any crime.

(hence, death sentence in that case would have been a terrible idea.)

EKons

2:41 PM

another detail: what if the person you murdered was already a proven traitor, or you are able to present proof it was a traitor?

of course, that would usually count as plain murder, and police don't give a s--- about your proof

Shadow Wizard

@EKons yup. Only self defense counts.

EKons

that, imho, is very unjust

Shadow Wizard

Or extreme cases of abuse.

(e.g. wife beaten by husband, ending up killing him.)

EKons

(that's self-defense too, no?)

Shadow Wizard

There was something not long ago here, she got life sentence but it was reduced to 10 years or so.

EKons

2:44 PM

anyway, if you murder a traitor and prove they were a traitor (traitor once, traitor forever), you should be commended, not condemned

Shadow Wizard

@EKons not always, e.g. if she kills him when he sleep. (otherwise she has no chance)

@EKons only in movies... lol

EKons

yeah, should happen irl too

Shadow Wizard

(or if you work for Mossad, there was a book with such ending ;))

EKons

status-poo-for-real

(yay I impersonate @Sha)

Shadow Wizard

@EKons amazon.com/Traitor-Thriller-Jonathan-Shalit/dp/1501170481

status-awesome-have-fun

:D

Shadow Wizard

3:00 PM

looking for @EKons in toilets

finding @Dro instead

!!blame @EKons being MIA

KennyBOT

@ShadowWizard blames @Hans1984 for @EKons being MIA

Shadow Wizard

hehe :D

@Hans I know it was you! Bring @EKons back! :P

Hans1984

hides

Shadow Wizard

!!pee @Han's hiding place

KennyBOT

~ Open the floodgates ....

Shadow Wizard

3:04 PM

!!steal @M.A.R's book

KennyBOT

~ Maybe lookup my instructions?

Shadow Wizard

EKons

oh hey I survived!

Shadow Wizard

@EKons good! I was afraid poo took you over! :D

letting @Hans go

Hans1984

Shadow Wizard

3:07 PM

rofl crazy cat

Hans1984

:D

Shadow Wizard

3:44 PM

throwing @InsaneCat on @Hans

KennyBOT

4:44 PM

~ Shadow of Doubt

Hans1984

!!feed firecrackers

KennyBOT

~ Thanks for the firecrackers, appreciated!

Hans1984

wc

Fabby

@ShadowWizard Made Hummus according to an Israeli family recipe today:

Soak chick peas overnight in white wine

Hans1984

starts firecrackers which are in Kennys belly via remot control

!!vomit

KennyBOT

4:52 PM

~ BLLLEEEAAAAEERRRGGGGGJHHHHHH <a href="https://i.stack.imgur.com/MABCw.png" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer">אוזן המן</a> !!!!!

Fabby

boil them in the white wine, add any ingredients you like, mix, cool.

Hans1984

just in time

phew!

happy new year!

rene

5:15 PM

Happy new hour!

Tinkeringbell

yaaawn I'm still alive

Hans1984

5:31 PM

:o

!!feed tinkeringbell energy

KennyBOT

~ Thanks for the tinkeringbell energy, appreciated!

Hans1984

:D

EKons

wait why is parrot unconscious

Hans1984

panics

EKons

oh... I see, "@Hans" drained its energy and put it in @Kenny belly

Hans1984

5:33 PM

runs

EKons

catches @Hans before he runs away

Hans1984

ahh

heeeelpp @ShadowWizard

pushes EKons off an runs away

EKons

wait... some wimp tried to push me... catches @Hans again

Hans1984

your chances are slim though

im 220pounds

i dont need to run

EKons

chokes @Hans for 30 seconds

Hans1984

5:36 PM

flexes EKons hands of with his neck muscles

!!feed EKons

KennyBOT

~ That is all gibberish to me...

Hans1984

problem solved

\o/

KennyBOT

~ Come on! Make me something better than EKons

EKons

cages @Hans

Hans1984

what a picky bot

EKons

5:37 PM

wraps @Hans cage with @rene quickly

@Hans you did what? you know we don't want rotten parrot

!!vomit

KennyBOT

~ BLLLEEEAAAAEERRRGGGGGJHHHHHH there, smartphone to internet !!!!!

EKons

!!vomit 2

KennyBOT

~ BLLLEEEAAAAEERRRGGGGGJHHHHHH caveman life ☺, 100 waffles on the wall, new commands !!!!!

EKons

!!vomit 3

KennyBOT

~ BLLLEEEAAAAEERRRGGGGGJHHHHHH firecrackers !!!!!

EKons

5:39 PM

!!vomit 4

KennyBOT

~ BLLLEEEAAAAEERRRGGGGGJHHHHHH tinkeringbell energy !!!!!

EKons

@Hans this time around, I fixed your little murder, but if you do it again, doom is awaiting you...

Mithrandir

!!feed @Ekons tasted disgusting

KennyBOT

~ No Pizza?

Hans1984

psssh

noone needs to know

about our little secret

!!feed sausage

KennyBOT

5:41 PM

~ Thanks for the sausage, appreciated!

Hans1984

wc

this parrot is doing just fine

Incoming!

ahhh

aw, looks so little...

Tinkeringbell

5:43 PM

Anyone know how to quickly share MP4 files? ;)

Mithrandir

Instagram? :P

Tinkeringbell

I don't have Instagram

Hans1984

ok guys im leaving for this party now

have a good evening!

bye bye

o/

Tinkeringbell

Have fun!

Does this work? Fireworks 2019 imgur.com/a/H6SYuEZ

Keep an eye on that link, I'm likely to add more tonight ;)

rene

6:03 PM

But it ... is not yet 2019 where you are? Is that firework show so extensive it takes over 4 hours to complete?

Tinkeringbell

Nah, this was the kids show ;)

Though yeah, over here there's easily people that kinda just keep going the entire evening now...

rene

Last time I handled fireworks I drove the illegal firework a friend of mine bought to the place where we would have the party. When we put it in the shed (a 10,000 klapper or something) we said to the owner of the shed: don't touch it, it is a bit unstable, it might go off without notice. The poor guy didn't dare to put his bike in the shed for a week. ...

Tinkeringbell

6:18 PM

:D. Poor guy! I'm not really fond of the illegal stuff. Though I guess the stuff brothers brought from Germany might not be entirely legal too ;)

rene

It is always tricky, legal or not.

Tinkeringbell

6:31 PM

I've noticed the not so legal stuff is more prone to tipping over.

rene

It is a bit late to conclude it is illegal stuff ...

Tinkeringbell

Hahaha yeah. But I'm usually a bit more careful when the neighbor lights one ;)

KennyBOT

7:39 PM

~ The Wizard of Id

KennyBOT

9:40 PM

~ I'm a little bit lonely...

Tinkeringbell

9:52 PM

Uhhh twitter.com/Tinkeringbell91/status/1079853345907585025?s=19

rene

LOL

Tinkeringbell

I solemnly swear we're up to no good!

KennyBOT

10:59 PM

~ Breaking the Magician's Code: Magic's Biggest Secrets Finally Revealed 4 - Unmasking the Magician: The Final Reveal

hat

It's very, very damp here. Like steady rain damp. There is no dampening spirits, though! The fireworks are still going strong, and the air is all smoke. The monthly data bundle ran out, so I had to wait till after the New Year to get online. I can still be in time to wish users in other time-zones however. Happy New Year to all UTC+1 users!

BTW, did you know that Charlie Chaplin's One AM is only funny at 1:00 AM?