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12:18 AM
ok, why does writing my app this way feel so much more like how writing a webpage should be done? I think I'm going to dread my WebForms now ...
 
12:37 AM
ping @TimStone
 
Hmm?
 
do you see an attribution that this is for SO on this page? asp.net.bigresource.com/…
 
Doesn't appear so.
 
I pinged you cos you normally have a better memory at which posts relate to what on meta
all the ones I can dredge up are for individual sites, but I thought there was a master list of "infringers"
 
Ah, yes.
 
12:42 AM
googling site:metaso and that domain only brings up one post, which really wasn't relevant
so therefore I need help finding the page on meta
 
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Q: Is it legal to copy Stack Overflow questions and answers?

Stefan SteineggerI just found http://programmingfaq.w3ec.com/faq/4761/whats-the-hi-lo-algorithm which has an exact copy of this Stack Overflow question, What's the Hi/Lo Algorithm, with all its answers and no difference in a single character. There is no reference to Stack Overflow. Is this legal, or at least to...

 
sweet, thanks
 
I don't even think that their hyperlink counts, since it isn't a direct link, but they don't appear to meet the other criteria either way.
 
should I edit the big list or add a new entry at the bottom?
 
I think you're supposed to edit the big list
 
12:45 AM
that's where I am
ok, hopefully I got that right
@RebeccaChernoff I added something to the above OBd Q. Should I do anything further?
 
1:44 AM
@jcolebrand Exactly.
 
 
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4:45 AM
Morning all
 
4:55 AM
@MaximZaslavsky Hi how are you?
 
5:12 AM
@Manjot Good, and you? :)
 
fine,on which technology you work?
 
@Manjot many. currently, mostly C#/ASP.NET MVC and such.
how about you?
 
I started my carier with iOS then a month before Android and now a days playing with blackberry
I got struck in running JSON webservices in blackberry
Do you have any idea of J2ME?
 
5:32 AM
@MaximZaslavsky Are you there?
 
Cool. The MakerBot was on the Colbert Report last week.
 
5:57 AM
Nifty
 
6:22 AM
12 hours ago, by Grace Note
The Team has shown diligence in handling when someone new posts a hugely disagreed idea that even leads to the ban - they actually have stepped in to release bans. So I'm pretty sure they're doing their rightest to make sure that we're only using it to filter the absolute junk material, not to censor those who may simply be controversial.
@Grace fair enough, that sounds convincing to me.
 
 
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7:44 AM
Hi
 
 
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11:02 AM
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Q: how to change imageview dynamically in android

Android3import android.app.Activity; import android.content.Context; import android.view.LayoutInflater; import android.view.View; import android.view.ViewGroup; import android.view.View.OnClickListener; import android.widget.ArrayAdapter; import android.widget.CheckBox; import android.widget.CompoundBut...

close please
 
 
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1:15 PM
23 hours ago, by Fosco
Tim Post wanted to talk about Ducks..
we should talk about ducks more often
 
 
4 hours later…
4:48 PM
Hello
 
 
1 hour later…
6:14 PM
it's a saturday man, let it go
 
@RobinHood I have no interest in discussing anything with you. Please stop pinging me.
 
chat is not supposed to be used for technical support, so your company should not face any trouble. Pretty sure you are making it up.
He used the D word :o
 
Today's lesson: Actions have consequences. Brought to you by the letter B and the number 1.
2
 
7:13 PM
@TimStone LOL What'd you do?
 
@GeorgeMarian Read up. (Note that if you have certain people ignored you might not see it)
Also, man...I am exhausted. I slept a decent amount, and it's not normal just being tired...I don't get it.
 
iframes haunting you in your dreams, hm?
 
Heheh, could be.
I actually think I might have reproduced that momentarily outside of chat, but then I accidentally refreshed my test page like an idiot. Haven't been able to get it to happen again since, of course.
I did install Speed Tracer though, which allows me to see a little bit more of what's going on than I could with the Inspector console, so if it pops up again either in my test case or chat hopefully I can get a better feel for what's going on.
 
7:29 PM
I'm having fun implementing generators (the yield kind) in "normal" JavaScript
 
Sounds interesting. How's that coming along?
 
works pretty well; writing some tests at the moment. Not sure if it's usefull, but I know I've been missing yield in JS once in a while
 
Cool
 
@TimStone Aww, man. That sounds like work. ;)
 
Hahah
 
7:37 PM
To add to your statement, it seems that some people never learn.
Or, to use a favorite saying of mine: You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
 
Indeed. shakes head
 
This same individual was having issues making an SSL connection with their mail client. What does he do? Comes in here to ask and starts pinging people when he didn't get any replies.
I gave him a piece of my mind, but I guess that went to waste. :D
 
Ah, was this that starred message of yours about how you weren't tech support? ;)
 
Yes, I think that's the one.
Man, this is a great cigar. But, at $4 for a corona, it's not going into my regular rotation any time soon.
 
7:44 PM
BTW, @balpha, I wholeheartedly approve y'all swinging the ban stick.
 
@balpha thnx 4 teh codez
 
@balpha Eh? Synopsis, please.
 
16 mins ago, by balpha
I'm having fun implementing generators (the yield kind) in "normal" JavaScript
 
Ah, interesting. I have a bit of love-hate relationship with JavaScript.
 
It is sad that it appears to be the only "real" prototype based language out there
 
7:48 PM
And with good reason, I say.
 
var wordMaker = Generator(function () {
    this.yield("This");
    this.yield("is");
    this.yield("interesting.");
});

alert(wordMaker.toArray().join(" "));
 
being locked into a language if you like its paradigm can't be great, especially if that language is JS
@GeorgeMarian I don't know enough about prototype-based programming to say it sucks honestly
does it suck? Or rather, what does it excel at?
 
Yeah, neither do I, honestly. However, it seems cumbersome and awkward.
 
It excels at browser support :)
 
I barely have a superficial knowledge of what a prototype is in the first place.
 
7:49 PM
lol
That thing that drives me nuts about JavaScript these days is the ugly syntax.
 
Meh, JS syntax isn't that bad. Want bad syntax? Look at Objective C
 
As I say, I love that it's flexible enough to make things like jQuery, prototype.js, etc. I hate the fact that we need things like that to make it useful.
 
@badpssockpuppet Ugh, yes.
 
Well, yeah, Javascript could do with more batteries included.
Then again it appears including them is trivial.
 
I don't think you really need those libraries to make it useful, but not having them requires a deeper understanding of the domain. Unfortunately, the domain is a bit of a clusterfu..dge due to browser inconsistencies and epic fails, but. :P
 
7:52 PM
Dunno, some things are kinda silly
 
Well, and there are also some interesting things missing from the language to begin with I guess, though I suppose that was largely to make the core functionality compact.
 
Yeah, some many of the issues are due to the environment it runs in and not as much the language.
 
Want to round a number to the nearest integer (?)? number.toFixed(0)
Want to round a number to the lowest integer? Math.floor(number)
 
And, yes, they did royally eff some things up in the language.
 
Dunno, e.g. I like JS's handling of time much better than Python's
There is one representation
there's no asking yourself if you need seconds since epoch, or time tuples, or DateTimes, or whatever, and look up every time how to go from one interpretation to the other that has the method you need or is the representation library X requires
 
7:56 PM
Heh. I'm not saying it's all bad. Node.js is proof that, in my mind, that the language is useful.
Nor would I say that python is without its flaws. WTF? 'self' is just a convention? Why do I have to explicitly mention it in the method signature? I thought this language was OOP from the ground up. :)
 
Example:
class 2DVector():
  def __add__(this, that):
    return (this.x + that.x, this.y + that.y)
is it important who's self there?
 
Python isn't strong oop. And I'm a fan of explicit self. Just sayin :)
 
I dunno. I'm used to this, self, parent, etc just being there and being obvious.
 
@GeorgeMarian Well, on the flip side, at least it isn't Java. Granted, I program most of my current stuff in Java these days, but boy are there times when I just want to punch it in the face.
 
8:02 PM
public class Something
{
    private int value;
    public int Squared()
    {
        return value * this.value; // I'd rather have "this" mandatory
    }
}
 
@TimStone Being unable to pass functions as parameters is... gah.
class Vector():
  def __add__(this, that):
    return tuple(map(sum, zip(this, that))) #py3k represent!
 
@balpha Yeah, that's a good point. It's a bit more typing, but it's also more obvious that way.
 
@GeorgeMarian <faux-citation who="monty python silly job interview interviewee>WHAT IF YOU NEED A VARIABLE CALLED THIS? UM? WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT? WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT?? <faux-citation>
 
@badpssockpuppet Yeah...I think that's still in the works for Java 7, but I stopped paying attention a while ago.
 
@TimStone I'm afraid static typing is going to ruin the bliss anyway
 
8:07 PM
On a totally unrelated topic, I swapped out the ATI (binary, I think) drivers in the Ubuntu repos for the one from AMD's website. Not only can I play Eve, but everything just looks better. I think it's increased the dynamic range or contrast or something.
 
@badpssockpuppet they made it work in C#
 
Yeah, but C# has to use this delegates contraption I still haven't grokked (okay I haven't really used C# for anything serious)
 
it doesn't anymore
 
Ironically, I no longer have to deal with seriously low contrast in Firefox's drop downs for text boxes. WTF is that about?
@badpssockpuppet lol
 
Func <int, int, int> multiply = (a, b) => a * b;
 
8:10 PM
Heh, reminds me actually. My boss wrote a JPQL query the other day to pull data from the database, and the method returned an untyped List. So he cast it to List<ModelObject>, thinking it was creating ModelObject instances, and the compiler didn't say anything, since generics are a compile-time feature in Java, and a List is a List is a List. The code worked fine, but it turned out it was working coincidentally...he was getting back a List of Object[]
which coincidentally was processed by the following code in exactly the same way the model object would have been.
 
@balpha What's the type of the return value, the first int or the last int? :)
 
the last one
you get used to that
(and it makes sense)
 
Of course when I tried to use the "model object" in a more direct way, no dice. So much for strong typing. :P
 
well, it does when you can only return one value, yup :) Another thing I found myself wishing I could do in Java.
 
I try not to use too much C# these days because it'll remind me how far behind Java is.
Though I actually started with C# before Java, so god only knows how I managed to mess that up.
 
8:12 PM
Although right now I can't come up with an example where that'd be obnoxiously handy.
 
@TimStone Do you also not use a car because that reminds you how slow your feet are?
@badpssockpuppet anything that involves closures
 
@balpha You underestimate the traffic problem here. But no, admittedly my bigger reason is not having a more recent copy of Visual Studio, I guess.
 
fair enough -- you don't use a car because you don't have one
 
Hmm, and now to remember what I was working on.
 
8:23 PM
@TimStone making coffee?
1 hour ago, by Tim Stone
Also, man...I am exhausted. I slept a decent amount, and it's not normal just being tired...I don't get it.
 
Drat, that cigar didn't last very long.
 
Coffee might not be a bad idea, actually. I do seem to have recovered a bit on my own though, thankfully.
 
Coffee is great. A recent study suggests some health benefit from it, but I can't recall what it is. So, improved memory is probably not it. lol
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Hahah
 
8:26 PM
IIRC it had something to do with men's health, so maybe it has something to do with the prostate.
 
Ah yeah, I vaguely remember seeing something along those lines.
Also, my half-and-half is a "naturally gluten free food." I didn't know it qualified as a food, but good to know.
 
I'm trying to see the relevance in posting Josh's pic, and I'm just not seeing it. >_<
 
Me neither
I mean, it is a nice hat
 
I just saw it for the first time. Felt strange seeing a body attached to that head
 
What is Nick's dog looking at?
It certainly has his attention
 
8:34 PM
@Pekkasseriousaccount Nick Larsen, obviously.
 
@TimStone Wait, isn't gluten found in wheat?
 
Yeah
 
@RebeccaChernoff good point, but I think it's more Jamie's pillow
Judging from the angle.
It is a weird-looking pillow. I can sympathize.
 
@Pekkasseriousaccount Yeah, I was gonna say that hat looks good on him.
The only thing missing is the straw of timothy hay in his mouth.
 
@Pekkasseriousaccount that's not a pillow. It's a "My first bacon"
 
8:37 PM
@balpha yuck.
But all the more reason for a dog to be mesmerized by it, I suppose
 
@Pekkasseriousaccount LOL That's a children's plush toy.
 
@GeorgeMarian yeah, but it's bacon
says so on the ad
a dog won't be able to tell the difference.
 
mmm...mmm...mmmm BACON!
 
It looks yummy, that's enough to get its attention.
 
Where's that animated gif of Jin with My First Bacon?
 
8:40 PM
Fair enough. He may be scared when it says "I'm bacon!"
 
Jan 3 at 10:36, by balpha
how @jzy works, in animated gif form http://i.imgur.com/QBu9x.gif
 
I'm not sure if that or the wall of Jeff disturbs me more.
 
"Stroking one's bacon" sounds like it could be a colloquial expression for something
Nice photo though. Who made it?
 
facepalms
 
@Pekkasseriousaccount that was made in November when we all met in NY, so I'm betting on @waffles
he runs around with a camera all the time
 
8:46 PM
ah!
 
9:06 PM
Anyone one else finds programmers.stackexchange.com pretentious and pointless? It's not like the "big boys"are gonna drop stack overflow
 
Discuss.
 
I don't really follow the comment.
 
I spend more time on Programmers than I do on SO.
 
@GeorgeMarian Well yeah, but you're obviously pretentious and pointless.
 
9:08 PM
Granted, I've gotten more practical answers from SO.
@balpha Well, my father would agree with the pointless. ;) (Well, aimless would be the correct term.)
As for pretentious, I dunno. But, I am full of myself. ;)
Dang it, GIMP! Where's my gradient?
Oh, now that's an ID10T error right there. I forgot I had an area selected. /facepalm
 
I still don't get what the "big boys dropping Stack Overflow" is supposed to mean, heh. Is the assumption that the only useful information comes from Jon Skeet et al? And why would they have to drop Stack Overflow if they wanted to participate in Programmers?
 
Stop making sense. That's so 20th century.
 
Yeah, it's a slightly different crowd on Programmers.
 
You're right. Let me compose by response using a Wheel of Words to randomly select stuff that I'm going to say.
 
That's the spirit!
 
9:19 PM
Actually scratch that, where's the KittenBot?
 
here:

 JavaScript

Topic: Anything JavaScript, ECMAScript including Node, React, ...
 
bot purgatory
 
Yeah, since Ivo was able to land himself a job
 
9:48 PM
@TimStone which Ivo, Flipse?
 
Ein Hesse, natürlich.
 
Ah-ha! Thanks.
 
@TimStone There's flackbot too now.
 
Ah, yes..
 
9:52 PM
omg there's a flackbot?
 
@balpha Oh, you didn't get the memo? Repeatedly? ;)
 
that's george edison's.
 
@RebeccaChernoff what isn't?
 
It's in the Ask Ubuntu room.
 
meh, I just sat down, never mind. (:
 
9:55 PM
-1 for leaving the computer.
 
@badpssockpuppet and it does really cool things!
 
in Ask Ubuntu General Room on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 4 hours ago, by James Gifford
@FlackBot Tell George that you have bugs, but those bugs will help make you become a fully sentient being.
in Ask Ubuntu General Room on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 4 hours ago, by FlackBot
@George: I have bugs, but those bugs will you lp make me become a fully sentient being.
wow...
 
Well, it has bugs (like an overly liberal replace algorithm), but those bugs will make it become a fully sentient being!
Still, it's nice work. To think that SO chat has its own chat bot. :)
 
Personally, I prefer using chat to talk to real people, since I've already holed myself up at the computer as it is, but yes. :P
 
10:02 PM
real people, like me, @Pekka, and @Rebecca? Boy, you need to get out more...
 
I do. True fact. :(
 
We are so real people!
I can pass any Turing test any time.
Except right now.
Anyway, I'm off to Beat Down Babylon!
Unless the rain and/or my level of intoxication prevent me from doing so.
It is a dark city, and a long way.
But I shall prevail.
 
A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.
 
@balpha I never thought of using that quote in this context. Genius.
And so true!
 
go beat down Babylon, before my Simpsons quoting skills impress you too much :)
 
10:13 PM
@balpha yeah! It is not often that I get off my arse and do it, but I will today. :) Later and good night everyone!
 
@Pekkasseriousaccount Have fun!
 
10:30 PM
Chrome...c'mon now.
Switched to a tab and it decided to show me the contents of a different tab, until I clicked elsewhere. Hrm.
 
Linux or Windows?
I've seen "very lazy" graphics updating in Chromium on Linux a lot, but never on Windows
 
Windows
 
Blame @RebeccaChernoff, she works for a M$ shop
... oh wait
 
10:45 PM
|:
 
Hahah
 
11:05 PM
Ah, hrm, the implict reply notification doesn't work if the comment author had what the system thought was an @-reply that didn't match anything.
> @{ // Comment } gives compile error. – amc 25m ago
 
hmm yeah, that code is very simple
            if (!rawComment.Contains("@"))
            {
                // when the commenter owns the post, see if he/she is responding to someone else (and have forgotten the @)
                using (prof.Step("GetOnlyOtherUserIdInConversation()"))
                    return GetOnlyOtherUserIdInConversation(currentUser, post);
            }
 
Ah ha. I suppose it's a bit of an edge case, although it would probably be nice if it at least checked that the @ looked like it could be an actual @-reply.
 
yeah, that makes sense
 
I'll do that tomorrow; it's just switching the order of stuff around
 
11:14 PM
Cool :)
 

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