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12:32 AM
trying to upgrade PHP to a later version on server ...
who else runs a linux server?
12:46 AM
needs a script:
sudo server.update
computer, y u so manual!!!
1:30 AM
Can someone reassure me that It is correct to downvote answers to you questions that do not work, because the answerers have failed to understand a subtly of the programming language?
and thus post solutions that can be proved to fail for x,y,z documented corner cases
Like it is not my task as the asker to explain the subtle details of the language.
Though it is *nice* if I put in the question the corner cases to make it easy to answer.
@LyndonWhite There are no "rules" for downvoting, really.
If an answer doesn't address the question, that's a good reason to downvote.
I think that, on a site like SO, if there's something they're missing from the equation, it's helpful to point that out because it's also completely possible that you're missing something yourself.
although it would be helpful that you put in a comment that the answer fails corner case
1:42 AM
Then again, SO is so high volume it may be an exercise in futility.
@Catija Not sure if question volume matters so much on individual questions. Questions tend to be like ad hoc communities, if that makes sense.
@JonEricson I meant more that if you made that your policy, you'd probably be writing a lot of comments on a lot of answers :D
Ah. True enough.
Q: Encouraging people to explain downvotes

ChrisFI used to get "upset" (though that is too strong a term) when I got downvoted without comment. If my answer isn't good enough then I'd like to know why. Not only does it improve the answer for the OP but it improves my knowledge too. Where the down-vote has been explained I've found it useful & ...

2:05 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title: What is the sites i can watch free movies? by AliciaFisher on askubuntu.com
2:19 AM
@canon I like to think of college admissions like Hogwarts' sorting hat
2:37 AM
:/ ... :// ... https://
3:12 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: What is the melting rate of zyklon b? by user42757 on skeptics.SE
@Telkitty I run an Ubuntu box , apt update , then apt upgrade would do, unless something breaks
@LyndonWhite but that's a place where comments do a greater good.
@JourneymanGeek "sudo apt-get install" did not work
3:42 AM
@Telkitty apt-get = apt
also apt-get install is to install a specific package
apt update gets new packages
apt upgrade downloads and installs them if there's totally no issue
apt dist-upgrade is slightly more agressive and mostly safe about upgrades
3:53 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, mostly dots in answer: Relationship between slit size and wavelength in diffraction by user174844 on physics.SE
 You are using Ubuntu 12.04 which has reached EOL and no longer receives upgrades so the PPAs for higher version of PHP don't work. Our recommendation is to upgrade your server to Ubuntu 16.04 so you can use the latest stable release of PHP.
@Telkitty errrrr
Is it backed up?
Q: How to upgrade a server from 12.04 to 16.04?

Andy CanfieldThe machine has no desktop, only a command shell. It is running 12.04. I have been doing apt-get update & upgrade weekly for four years. How do I convert it to 16.04 from the command line? I have a 16.04 server install CD, do I boot from that?

Upgrading is an option but eh, at this point if something breaks...
I can't run Utuntu 12.04 for 20 years, need to upgrade it at some point ...
3:59 AM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer, pattern-matching website in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: Why isn't the day backwards between leap years? by gjGGFTBHGHT on astronomy.SE
4:11 AM
which version of ubuntu are you using? @Journey
16.04. I always run LTS
But I rebuild or upgrade every few years
I rely a lot on personal documentation to keep things running
4:26 AM
rat has 'gone missing'
My server provider suggest running old and new version in parallel in case something breaks
That's a white squirrel.
Nov 3 at 11:49, by Telkitty
"squirrels are just rats with fancy tails" - my cousin
4:49 AM
I like squirrels. They're cute. Also, that angry old man cat earlier was cute.
5:28 AM
@Telkitty oh I do that on planned migrations
Yo o/
It's not easy to catch squirrels
Near my house there are 4-5 squirrels I see daily.
Could never catch them.
5:50 AM
I would not try to catch a wild squirrel in the fear of being bitten & getting rabies
Less likely with a squirrel than a bat.
Gm to all :3
7:07 AM
Just get some fermented pumpkins. Then catch all the drunk squirrels to your heart's desire.
If reputation had another name, would should it be?
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer, blacklisted user: Can a mortgage broker issue a mortgage commitment letter? by Coscia Finance on money.SE
@TravisJ points?
Yeah, could be points. Nothing wrong with that. Kind of generic though, don't you think?
Something that reflects the amount of content other users found useful. I mean, reputation works. Just kind of a thought experiment.
7:17 AM
worth :p
newbs are generally worthless </trollololo>
Reputation comes with the adage, "it is a measure of how much the community trusts you", however, often if I upvote a post I don't think to myself, "I really trust this author", I empirically test the result and then upvote thinking to myself "I hope my vote influences other people to use this solution".
Except on meta, where votes are unicoins and words preclude thoughts.
Sometimes (every day) I feel like there just aren't enough hours between when I get up and when I sleep.
7:33 AM
@TravisJ reputation is imaginary internet points ;p
I agree, reputation is certainly measured in points, be they imaginary or approaching 1 million.
and still imaginary ;p
The profit I make of my time in SU is probably not in the questions I answer, but in the answers I question in learning new stuff off of others.
I don't think I necessarily have ever profited monetarily from Stack Overflow, except for this one time where this guy would not take no for an answer and absolutely had to give me $10. I do it because I feel like I owe it to the Stack Overflow community in that every time I have a problem I go crying to google and it takes me to a magical Stack Overflow page with the answer.
I mean, reputation dosen't mean anything
outside being a high score ;p
I have a better reputation in community than say JohnT (who? some may ask) but he has a higher reputation on site than me ;p
(I will beat you some day, Mr T. SOMEDAY!)
It is prestige to a certain degree. A public measure of useful work really.
7:38 AM
Well I have never heard of Mr. T.
Hard to say with a straight face
@TravisJ JohnT was an avid user in the SU betas.
Does he pity fools?
He's got more reputation than me, and hasn't answered anything in years
I have no idea ;p
Mr. T (born Lawrence Tureaud; May 21, 1952) is an American actor and retired professional wrestler known for his roles as B. A. Baracus in the 1980s television series The A-Team and as boxer Clubber Lang in the 1982 film Rocky III. Mr. T is known for his distinctive African Mandinka warrior hairstyle, his gold jewelry, and his tough-guy image. In 2006, he starred in I Pity the Fool, a reality show shown on TV Land. The title of the show comes from the famous catchphrase used by his character, Clubber Lang. == Early life == Tureaud was born in Chicago, Illinois, the youngest son in a family with...
7:39 AM
Its just funny to joke about since overtaking him is about the next milestone for me on SU
how about we call it 'Bytecoins' :p
@Telkitty SE rep as crypto? ;p
@JourneymanGeek - I had some fun when I passed Jeff Atwood at Stack Overflow
(also unicoins )
Bytecoins? What could go wrong?
8 times better!
7:41 AM
@JourneymanGeek I don't know how you moderate and maintain that level of contribution.
@TravisJ because my style of moderation dosen't need that diamond ;p
I had a simple goal of 1k rep per month, but since I have been working two jobs I can't even keep that going.
@TravisJ One answer a day does the trick
Least at first
7:48 AM
(You can slow down later)
Also works on MSE
though on MSE, the 'political' element's pretty important too
Well I have 1700 answers already, so.. I think that is a decent dent for the at first section
3116 answers over... 8 years?
I meant on SO at least, I think I have another 600ish on meta
I don't have the right skillset for SO
and I'm told it plays a bit differently ;p
It can be a little rough and tumble, but it isn't the end all be all.
7:52 AM
SO's mods also have a massive workload
and ironically more questions may mean less attention per question? I donno, I arn't a data science type either ;p
I can has data science
Yeah, way less attention per question. As in, none from mods on many.
The community at SO plays a large role in moderation.
Well, mods can't see everything
It would be like, the end of days, if community moderation stopped at SO lol
actually, the smaller/newer the site, the more effort a site/mod needs
I haven't really interacted in a moderation standpoint with smaller sites
7:55 AM
I have posted on some though, the hobby sites can be kind of fun
occationally I go meddle help out
And in no circumstances am I allowed to go to code golf because I will never come out.
(fun fact. Almost all my answers on worldbuilding are trolls)
Just look at that CAD drawing!
7:57 AM
cough I didn't even use paint for that!
> This in turn reduces the need for toilet facilities, while maintaining a happy healthy workforce, with only a slight chance of sudden violent diarrhea and painful death.
Some of the posts on worldbuilding scare me
They are like "Okay, here is the scenario: we are across the street from First National Bank and we have 3 people with 2 ski masks. Who wears the mask? Bonus: Front door or parking lot door entry?"
Well, in a sense, they've gone off the "practical problem" script
can't really think of them the same way as the trilogy and other early sites
surely the driver doesn't need to wear a mask, such a easy question
The scariest one was about the "how to plan a chemical attack on a large city water supply"
Like, honestly, this is what we need engineers thinking about?
8:02 AM
@Telkitty And you answered the bonus question! Clearly the driver wants the entry from the parking lot. Well done
@JourneymanGeek Reminds me of a Doctor Who episode :)
8:23 AM
the one on the last day of earth?
Yeah where they are in the observatory
Is chess popular in Singapore?
My brother used to play competitively in school
@JourneymanGeek So I could produce (( 30 * 10 ) + ( 10 * 5 )) * {number of SE sites} bytecoins a day then
By using all my votes as upvotes on all sites
And then you get hundreds and thousands of unicoins wiped out cause of caught voting fraud
@JourneymanGeek It's not voting fraud if I don't target anyone
iirc it's a legitimate use of votes to just upvote everything in order that you see it
pointless, but not forbidden afaik
8:29 AM
ehh debatable. Also you inflationary monster.
@JourneymanGeek I think around half of my main site votes are downvotes, actually
And I don't use all of them on most days
Ya, I should vote more
I tend to vote for the exceptional
and I get most of my DVs back
I upvote if I use something
or learn something
My last upvote was for this last night stackoverflow.com/a/32716738/1026459
My last downvote was two days ago for this stackoverflow.com/a/10314869/1026459 because it is a terrible idea and also does not even really solve the problem
8:34 AM
@TravisJ Aw no
This is a clear case of "you shouldnt" and it's a terrible hack
8:45 AM
in The Periodic Table on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 4 hours ago, by Martin - マーチン
Can someone explain to me if at what times the red dot on the review icon (top bar) appears and when not... This thing is more confusing than ever...
Hi all.
Thanks 👍
@Fawad 🦄
🦄🦇👨 ... "unicorn batman"
gotta love emojis, I know whoever maintains unicode must lol
9:09 AM
buh without Oded, MSE is getting full with off topic crap. :/
@TravisJ yeah those blank white squares are awesome!
@JourneymanGeek actually this is even more confusing. TL;DR is "the review icon dot in top bar is not working at all, this is in review of the dev team".
I think I noticed a red dot appear in MSE when there was a single suggested edit (which is good!) but it lasted only a day, now it's off again.
All in all, I don't expect it will be fixed in the near future. (i.e. maybe in few years.)
@ShadowWizard I'm kinda mixed on that
I'd check to see when stuff are around to be reviewed randomly
Sure, that's the only way these days.
I removed the review icon with a user script
Mr. Friend put a tag on my rant about it, which is good, but review means looooottttssss of time until something is actually done. Pretty sure we have bugs/requests in review for years in MSE.
@ShadowWizard on the other hand, he seems super responsive about quite a few things
9:16 AM
Q: URLs with ' are not recognized in preview window

tanasciusExamples: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two's_complement two's complement two's complement The original Markdown was: 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two's_complement 2. [two's complement][1] 3. [two's complement](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two's_complement) [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/w...

"review" for over 7 years ^
and has been trying to get the SE ways of doing things
@ShadowWizard not even sure if anyone would remember after that ;p
@JourneymanGeek that is true, probably because he has very specific focus, plus he's the head of DAG.
Not my fault the unicorns don't show themselves to you
Whatever they are, they're not standard. :)
My computer at work can't see them.
9:19 AM
Maybe part of macOS?
Always odd to come home and then see them on this one. #secondjob
Or just mobile devices
At work I use win7, here its win10pro
So they added unicorns to Windows 10? Nice. :D
Bout' damn time Windows got some magic
9:21 AM
or the browser does
Although, they did try to remove our hand drawn red circles
I think FF has its own emoji icons
878 questions
4,433 answers
I use the same browser here and at work
9:21 AM
star powa
takes @JourneymanGeek 's red freehand circle away
takes @Magisch's life
in before someone bans images in their chatroom
oh, wait. in after
Images aren't banned in here. The catmanity of such a suggestion
9:25 AM
I didn't mean this chat room. There is somebody else responsible for such transgression in their own place.
9:46 AM
@JohnDvorak not sure what you mean. On second thought, sure I don't get what you mean. :)
@ShadowWizard Your certainty knows no bounds!
@TravisJ maybe! Without a doubt! Or a Clue!
Or to Apeiron :D
10:39 AM
@ShadowWizard for what reason did the tag appear? Looks like you are trying to burn it.
10:54 AM
@alexolut old old site meme
That is so weird. (It looks like shog was wreaking havoc in the edits there)
11:20 AM
@JourneymanGeek still has 4 followers
11:36 AM
@alexolut it was created for fun, back in the days when Meta was small and funny place. ;)
Seriously though, we once had a developer with display name "waffles" who put waffles in Meta 404 error page as well. So it inspired many fun stuff.
I can't and won't burninate , it's a sacred tag, I just removed it from a question where it doesn't really fit into anymore. It still perfectly fit this one for example.
12:19 PM
I cannot begin to work out how to tackle this meta.stackexchange.com/questions/303031/…
12:36 PM
Stack Exchange is not the place to post criticism of anything, same way it's not the place to rant about things or share your personal experiences. For those things people can have personal blogs. Stack Exchange is network of Q&A sites: Questions and Answers. You ask a specific question about something, and get answers. Expressing criticism is not asking a question. Bottom line: Stack Exchange is not the place for what you have in mind, sorry. — Shadow Wizard 23 secs ago
12:47 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Free Excel alternative for Mac OS? by John Alex on apple.SE
Is this affiliated with the church of scientology? — Magisch 46 secs ago
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Difference between angular frequency and angular velocity? by Jdsnsn on physics.SE
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in answer, link at end of answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: Questions about Bitcoin Transactions by neo web on bitcoin.SE
@JourneymanGeek I have found your brother :)
@alexolut or someone else who has watched that great british documentary... "The IT Crowd"
@JourneymanGeek Oh ... thanks for the title. Probably I will watch this "documentary" after the current TV series.
1:00 PM
@rene eh. Yanno, the posts I'm complaining about started when they had dedicated people handling the blogs
@JourneymanGeek you mean dedicated people who are not part of Stack Overflow, just external "data experts"?
@JourneymanGeek I also do first level support and no joke like 50%+ of the problems are solved by rebooting the pc in one way or another.
@JourneymanGeek It's almost as if these blog posts were pushing a (sometimes political) narrative
1:17 PM
@JourneymanGeek I know ... my point still stands ...
@Magisch Are you the BOFH?
I actually Yahoo'd that link.
I'm not on my own laptop ...
@ShadowWizard naw, employees whose job was to run the blog
(Also, I'm half certain Tom Limonicelli's a bloody good writer. I've never seen anything Kasra's written that's semi technical/bloglike)
(of the two most recent)
THe specific example I gave's also a SE dev (apparently? Never interacted with him)
1:57 PM
@rene @ShadowWizard heh, I think that comes under "lets not do that for a while". I find critiquing people a bit stressful, especially when I really had not much nice to say :(
@JourneymanGeek critiquing people is the way to make them change their ways, when it's constructive criticism.
@ShadowWizard ya, and I kinda hope that was ^^
You want better blog posts, not to shut down the blog or throw away the bloggers.
Just used to the softer path
I do think I did the best I could there ^^
2 hours later…
3:54 PM
quantitative algorithm meta.stackexchange.com/questions/303042/… @rene @Bart @Journeyman @TravisJ
@ShadowWizard complete
yup, second vote cast by @Patrick
in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 21 secs ago, by rene
Can some of you check their progress on the Illuminator badge against this query (mine is about 10 off). I ask because of this bug but I want some more testcases
@ShadowWizard ^
@rene yeah, counter show 100, SEDE query 150. Something is stuck in the badge progress task. :/
Need @NickCraver to kick it hard, too bad he's not pingable anymore.
4:07 PM
yeah, I'm sure a batch times out without them noticing
7 and half years later, the snarky comment has been deleted. Hooray, and good day to all readers. :) — Shadow Wizard 12 secs ago
I mean... how silly can it be? If people would flag the snarky comment instead of complaining about it, it would have been deleted years ago.
@rene they do monitor most jobs/tasks, so either not all, or the monitor beeps without anyone noticing.
I once had a production server produce actual beep sound when there was an unhandled exception in a website. Had to turn it off when it reached beep every few minutes.... :D
@ShadowWizard yeah, but I have seen other cases where timingout was missed.
@ShadowWizard your production server wasn't located in the server room? Or were you working in the server room
@rene umm.... well... we had the production server sitting in the office. o_o
(switched to hosting since then ;))
@ShadowWizard Ouch ...
hehe yeah, and it was done with Classic ASP. :D
Running a batch file with some weird control character causing a beep.
4:17 PM
Had that ... no, this server is not important .. until the coca cola got poored into the machine ....
@ShadowWizard :D
Think it was CTRL+G? Not sure.
@ShadowWizard yeah
@rene nah, it was locked in a safe.
Only three people had the keys. :)
(and no, Tim Post isn't one of them!)
Another spam user.
@Narusan huh. No posts, just NSFW spam in profile... @JNat can you please nuke that? stackexchange.com/users/7174544/centralpasutri-com (warning: NSFW links there!!!)
4:23 PM
all gone ;)
While we’re at it. That’s just spam, but SFW (safe for work, I guess)
Is this considered spam? (Safe for work). No activity whatsoever but a self-promoting and self-indulgent Profile
@Narusan without an actual spam post that is hard to judge
the profile it self looks OK-ish to me, not my taste but that is not something that should count
@Narusan gone
@Narusan should be fine, I guess. that's kinda what the 'about me' section is for anyway
While we are at it: There is a user on Health constantly asking about severing her penis to change gender without professional help. We’ve closed that question. New questions are (in my eyes) still asking the same thing (would aevering your penis hurt? would it kill you? Would this ease pain?) etc.
@Narusan flag it for moderator attention, please
4:31 PM
How should we deal with such questions? I don’t want to help anyone do that (it’s a ~potentially~ deadly action) although in its core, questions like that are on-topic (it could be reworded to ask about nerves structures of penisses and so on, providing the same information but being less obvious)
if it's something they can handle, they will. If not, they'll escalate to us
@JNat Okay. Yeah, I can see where that would be getting if we delete all self promotion. // I’ve also seen crowds of 600,000 gather (like said user), but not for me.
By the way, does a query exist that searches for users with reputation <11 and links in their profile?
4:47 PM
Thanks. ~170 results. Oh dear, that’ll take some time going through all
@Narusan Y'know, unless it's something NSFW or something, if the account hasn't posted anything anywhere it's kinda fine to leave it there
like, if you come across one randomly, fine to ping
no need to go running queries to get rid of 'em
5:06 PM
Chance Heath on November 09, 2017

As we continue to work on Channels, we wanted to share with you our vision, the thinking behind the product and its intricacies, and insight into the process behind developing it. Not all product problems have been solved, and we hope that we can take you along for the journey. This post is the first in a series on how we’re making Channels.

A year and a half ago, we launched Stack Overflow Enterprise to help large organizations share internal knowledge in private, stand-alone communities. It addressed several frustrations that large companies face: manual upkeep of knowledge bases, single poin …

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7:08 PM
@rene I'm not
It's just that people won't try rebooting first no matter how many times I tell them they should "But that's what IT is there for." yes it is but you just successfully interrupted me coding so the new application will take even longer just because you couldn't be bothered to reboot.
Hi folks! Does anyone know: do developers read FR from all per-site-metas, or only from MSE? I know about BR only.
SE Devs have a view of all bug and feature requests from all metas. Source...somewhere. I don't have a link right now, but they've said they can see all of them network wide
They don't even read FRs on MSE :P
@JohnDvorak haha
@Andy thanks. If you find a link please ping me in chat.
7:25 PM
@Andy Source - CMs coming to random metas and removing bug and FR tags on questions that don't apply. :P
I just that on the CMs being meta stalker ninjas.
I dropped a verb: "I just blame that..."
:D I figured there was something missing there. :D
But I've seen staff I've not otherwise seen on that site come and remove tags, so I've always assumed that it turned up on one of their batsignals.
I'm starting to realize that I still haven't adapted to thinking that the trophy is achievements, despite logically knowing that it makes sense.
Though, I think it's the only one that changed icons... the other ones either stayed the same (or vastly similar icon) or went from text to an icon... I wonder if that's why.
7:43 PM
@Catija We've got some views that we can use to filter on bug/FR/etc across the network to see what pops up
@bluefeet I figured it was something like that.
8:09 PM
I'm thinking, that death threats, even in jest, probably need more than an hour chat suspension.
@TimStone as a moderator of Stack Apps, I think you'd agree that with the unrelenting stream of abuse and spam, the site could really do to have another moderator (i.e. me) appointed, yes? 😜
Or: I'm working on the ChatExchange library and would like to be able to test mod capabilities to make sure I don't break them.
cc @Shog9
You have my vote. :D
... If I get one...
8:28 PM
@Danack I'll destroy your whole planet if you keep that up. #rememberalderaan
9:20 PM
@JeremyBanks Site's pretty quiet most of the time, but if Tim & Nathan want help I've no objections.
Heck, you can have a diamond on SO if you wanna spend a half-hour/day handling flags...
I'll have to think about that.
No pressure. Just sayin', if you get bored... I'm always willing to take advantage of a lapse in judgement on the part of former mods.
10:01 PM
@JeremyBanks Diamonds are flagellant emblems. Leave that self-inflicted suffering to someone else...
Has the Jeremy for Mod campaign started?
10:15 PM
@bluefeet in that context: would you mind pinging someone on the SRE team to have them check if the award illuminator badge batch is stuck/timing out on SO? meta.stackoverflow.com/q/359103/578411
Not an SRE concern, by the sounds of it.
Oh, why not? My guess was a batch not running....
With the caveat that I could be wildly wrong... If the scheduler was broken altogether, everything would be broken.
Ok, so far that doesn't seem the case.
I mean, a lot of stuff works on SO so definitely not everything is broken ;)
I'll try to carve out a bit of time to look at it tomorrow (or at least pass it off to someone else)
10:21 PM
Ok, thanks. Let me know if you want me to check more/other things that can help diagnosing.
Thanks :)
10:46 PM
@JeremyBanks do it
@bluefeet thoughts on linking to the Blog posts as they come out in your recent MSO Channels question? For reference as they drop off the sidebar?
I figure arrows pointing at valuable content can't be a bad thing...
It can. Remember the voting arrows are above posts they relate to.
I mean links... not literal arrows.
10:56 PM
In that case, unfindable octuplicates of reasonable duplicates are still not useful and only take up space
@JohnDvorak reading that sentence makes my brain hurt
@Catija maybe, haven't really thought much about it yet
and still bear the risk of stray upvotes of origins more mysterious than those of dark matter.
11:33 PM
11:56 PM
erf. 3 points from repcapping ._.

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