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user315433

12:46 AM

> We hired a MongoDB consultant for a day and even he's looking at StackOverflow. Could've saved the money and looked at SO ourself -- S at 5:41 PM - 4 Oct 2017

Success

2:50 AM

sd gone

Success

4:10 AM

Sometimes seeing diamond mods with 1 rep making me wonder if they're suspended -_-

Journeyman Geek

5:30 AM

0_0

The only one I can think of is the ja.se one

redhand

@Success where did you saw one?

Success

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Q: Mentorship Research Project - Results + Wrap-Up

First, if you haven’t read the original announcement post about the Stack Overflow Mentorship Research Project, you should go and do that now. If you don’t, the rest of this probably won’t make a ton of sense. From the beginning of August to the beginning of September - 33 days, to be precise - ...

Journeyman Geek

ahh right

redhand

ah that's mod

that's staffs

Journeyman Geek

eh. Not much visible difference

Success

5:34 AM

FR: hide rep for SE employees

Journeyman Geek

lol

redhand

@Success instead hide their diamond. people have to guess when seeing a meta post from a 1 rep user(usually meta need 5) that it is an SE staff.

we have to go more complex from simplicity

Journeyman Geek

Or give them their own symbol, like chaos had

redhand

or a :poop symbol

redhand

7:11 AM

sd fp

though it is too broad

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@redhand I suggest different icon for each employee

e.g. 😈 for @Shog

redhand

@ShaWizDowArd that will more suits to bluefeet

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

Nah, 👼 will be more proper for @bluefeet

It's also bit blue

redhand

added tag

status-feature-request

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

lol

redhand

7:24 AM

@JNat you're here and I think you are keeping an eye on the messages

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

huh.. @Jeremy did you change avatar? It looks... different. :)

redhand

shall we expect it as status completed in the next month announcement?

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@redhand on whom?

redhand

the messages

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

Why would @JNat bother to read messages not directed at him?

JNat

7:25 AM

@redhand huh? What are we talking about?

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

See? lol

@JNat @red thinks you monitor this room 24/7

redhand

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Sha Wiz Dow Ard

But I know better, you also have to sleep sometimes. Right? ;)

JNat

@ShaWizDowArd Oh, yeah. That's like... my whole job. And as you can see from my usually low activity here, I do so silently ;)

redhand

no but his dp is there in the sidebar for almost half an hour

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

7:26 AM

@redhand well, even if he wanted to, @JNat can't do that as he's not a developer. :D

redhand

@ShaWizDowArd but usually cm's push tasks to devs

I think so

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

Though he can poke a dev...

@JNat low but fruitful

@redhand not directly, think they have meetings, then they decide all together what to do next.

redhand

what icon can we give to JNat?

JNat

Actually, this is how we do it

rene

7:40 AM

@AdamLear not always ... heh, I need sleep too ;) ... anyway, don't forget to tell me to back-off when needed....

rene

7:56 AM

→ 12 messages moved to Chimney

redhand

← 12 messages moved from Chimney

rene

Today we celebrate 2,200 close vote reviews for the flower.

redhand

@rene you deserve 2 steward badge for CVRQ

congrats

rene

@ShaWizDowArd please catch up on CV reviewing, you're falling behind ...

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

8:10 AM

@rene on MSE? Quite a problem, I usually vote before it reach the queue... ;)

rene

Just get out of those habits then ....

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

Too old...

rene

Agree ...

SmokeDetector

8:36 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted username, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, +1 more: Safe and comfortable manner of gaining muscle mass by hienson juri on workplace.SE

Journeyman Geek

hm. mse is throwing me a mainainance error

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: consequently energizes the thoughts. Items repair by nokimatak on superuser.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: Omega 3: The Natural Brain The Booster! by Cowe lls on drupal.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, +1 more: For most key contrast in the corpora cavernosa by Apigh19 00 on superuser.com

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@JourneymanGeek expecting you to maintain it... ;)

Journeyman Geek

;p

There's only one SRE I could probably mug... ;p

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: This lotion creates your skin part glowing by friachutter 789 on graphicdesign.SE

balpha

8:44 AM

@JourneymanGeek back now

TheLittleNaruto

Guess who is back ? The one only the great TheLittleNaruto ^^

hides

Journeyman Geek

@balpha \o/

Bart

9:07 AM

@TheLittleNaruto I see you

rene

9:22 AM

no wonder, with those glasses ...

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

9:40 AM

@balpha what happened?

balpha

@ShaWizDowArd a bunch of code for Channels was merged in, with the inevitable "now that it's running in production, not all assumptions are correct anymore"

this kind of stuff is why we deploy prod in two tiers: first meta, then the rest

so that we notice it on meta before deploying it to stack overflow

that's why it only broke meta.se and meta.so

Journeyman Geek

@balpha ooh.

TheLittleNaruto

@Bart hides behind long bushes

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

10:01 AM

@balpha yeah we know MSE is your crash test dummy... ;)

@TheLittleNaruto read that as buses... 🚌

Journeyman Geek

ugh. front page is being flooded with minor edits :(

TheLittleNaruto

@ShaWizDowArd That would still make me hidden. 😉

Journeyman Geek

unless they move

and buses do move. When bushes move though....

Success

10:35 AM

SmokeDetector

10:49 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in answer, username similar to website in answer: The legal distinction between gambling and insurance [USA\$1 by Bi-State Public Adjuster on law.SE

Derpy

11:11 AM

@TheLittleNaruto hiding behind a bush? You should be ashamed. A real ninja does not simply "hide behind a bush". You are not a Genin anymore.

Journeyman Geek

@rene heh, I don't want to mod message aibobot too often ;p

rene

:)

It was worth trying, right?

Journeyman Geek

eh. I think I did it once, but I do recall that mod messages also get sent to team

and I don't really want to send them bogus stuff for no reason ;p

rene

@JourneymanGeek do you have still access to that message? Because you should be able to construct the url: https://superuser.com/users/message/1337

Journeyman Geek

oh

I could probably log in as aibobot

rene

11:15 AM

and then check what happens for non-logged in vs logged in

but you have to make sure that 1337 is a valid id

Journeyman Geek

hm

my memory is flawed

twas an annotation

rene

sigh

Journeyman Geek

I don't mod message much ;p

rene

Let me vandalize some posts on SU to get suspended ...

Journeyman Geek

They need to be in that odd place where 1) the person has a hope of being a good user

2) isn't

;p

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

11:22 AM

@JourneymanGeek 2080 rep user? Probably still excited with the new power... It pass at some point. :)

@JourneymanGeek they move during strong wind...

Success

@ShaWizDowArd with 131k rep on SO...

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@Success new power is always exciting... ;)

Journeyman Geek

I suppose front page flooding is less of an issue there

Success

11:37 AM

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Q: Why does Meta reject the suggestion to make commenting mandatory on downvotes?

This is a proposed FAQ entry to serve as a closing target for the hundreds of duplicates this gets. The aim is to present all the arguments for why this would be an awful idea, condensed from the thousands of previous discussions the issue has seen. Many new users receive downvotes with no ...

support faq-proposed

.... dupe of FAQ :/

redhand

12:09 PM

I hear Stack Apps is cool. You should switch to that instead. They have userscripts. — Shog9 ♦ Jun 16 at 21:44

SmokeDetector

12:38 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Reverse tethering via Bluetooth: How to share PC internet connectivity with android phone via Bluetooth by ejeta robinson on android.SE

redhand

12:55 PM

146

Q: About your f***ing website

Presented for your enjoyment-slash-amusement. Email received by team@stackoverflow.com from Name Jesus Christ Almighty, what a f***ing mess of a website. I'm trying to post a question. Just the one, you know, f***ing question. So I sign up for an ID and I'm sent an email that doesn't real...

discussion fun email

lol

I knew Neil would be back, but I didn't think it would be this quickly. — Bill the Lizard Aug 16 '10 at 2:37

redhand

1:16 PM

TheLittleNaruto

@Derpy NoooOOOooOOOo :(

Journeyman Geek

@redhand I remember this.

TheLittleNaruto

1:32 PM

@redhand lmao

@redhand lmao

@redhand lmao

@redhand lmao

1:56 PM

@TheLittleNaruto Is that an Ultima Online ghost?

canon

2:35 PM

Just curious... would a blog title seem sexist if it was: "3 Ways You Can Be an Ally to Men in Tech"?

Shog9

sexist

Noun: sexist (plural sexists)

A person who discriminates on grounds of sex; someone who practises sexism.

Adjective: sexist (comparative more sexist, superlative most sexist)

Unfairly discriminatory against one sex in favour of the other.
2013, Susan J. Hekman, Moral Voices, Moral Selves: Carol Gilligan and Feminist Moral Theory
A defender of communitarianism might argue that just because extant communitarian theories are sexist, it does not follow that communitarianism is inherently sexist.

canon

"seem: give the impression or sensation of being something or having a particular quality."

Shog9

Oh, so you're only sexist if you practice sexism, wiktionary? What about lapsed sexists? Or folks who only practice sexism on Christmas and Easter?

canon

I really only discriminate on high holidays.

Journeyman Geek

@Shog9 Or like that joke in pre war bosnia - the difference between a muslim, a catholic and a orthodox christian is, the muslim dosen't go for friday prayers, the catholic dosen't go for mass...

canon

2:45 PM

I'm irritated that we have to keep having these discussions. Stop being shitty to people based on their meatspace tags, e.g.: [male],[catholic],[gay],[amoeba] etc. sigh

Success

2:57 PM

"3 Ways You Can Be an Ally to Amoeba in Tech"

now I'd read it...

wait... does it even make sense?

user315433

Meh. Nobody is prevented from posting "X Ways You Can Be an Ally to Y in Z" on their blog, for any X,Y,Z of their choice. But when someone does it, there's sudden resentment how it's this set (X,Y,Z) and not another.

user315433

That said, I wish the SO blog oriented more toward quality and originality vs quantity of articles.

Success

^ qft

user315433

On the opposite extreme, Randall apparently stopped writing What-If articles at all. :(

Derpy

3:23 PM

urgh... the new dailymotion interface... baaaaaadddddddddddddd

Success

3:34 PM

What if Randall stops drawing xkcd?

TheLittleNaruto

@Derpy just my innerself screaming..

@Derpy Why not YT ?

user315433

4:16 PM

Oh good grief... It's extremely unlikely that any of the guidance, warnings, help pages, etc. work in any of the mobile apps. As a general rule, if something is not working in an app then go use the actual site - the chance of little niceties making it into the apps are slim, it's enough trouble getting them built at all. — Shog9 ♦ 43 secs ago

user315433

What percentage of people who post on SO using a mobile app exclusively end up banned?

user315433

The app isn't overflowing with advice for new users, or meta information of any kind.

user315433

IIRC the new SO app doesn't even access Meta, or maybe this was fixed? After all, the question was posted there.

canon

4:42 PM

@Desire Using the SE app or the dedicated SO app. *ducks*

Fawad

5:33 PM

Hi chat!!!!

hi cats and unicorns

anyone else is facing issues in chat on iOS 11 ?

In chat when I touch on something,it is actually clicking downside,not where I touch :(

If I zoom and click then touches are accurate . I always have to zoom and touch on links in chat :(

user315433

6:44 PM

IMO that meta post didn't deserve deletion. If the OP accessed the site via an app, their criticism of lack of guidance is valid.

Catija

7:58 PM

@Fawad Pretty sure there are a couple of complaints on MSE about issues with iOS 11 not working with the site.

user315433

> Writing a new talk about making successful online communities. With some historical perspective and comparisons. Crack open the whiskey. -- Oded Coster at 12:54 PM - 5 Oct 2017

Catija

The SE staff do seem fond of their intoxicating beverages...

user315433

> It usually takes around 6 - 9 emails to schedule a meeting and it's still 2017. -- Tim Post at 9:11 AM - 5 Oct 2017

Shog9

New users are like injured animals; you're liable to get bit when you reach out to help. So be prepared.

Tweeted by shog9 on January 20, 2017 at 9:35 PM

user315433

Hm, I use youcanbook.me for 1-1 meetings and doodle.com for group meetings. Not so many emails.

Catija

8:08 PM

@Shog9 What did you do to your thumb?

Shog9

user bite

user315433

Were Twitter picture oneboxes always so big? Or a new design thing.

user315433

Do chat oneboxes support 280 characters?

Shog9

seems to have coincided with the new 280 limit

Catija

... they hunted you down and bit you? That seems like a lot of work.

Shog9

8:10 PM

not so much that the oneboxes are large now... If there's an image, that will often render as an image instead of a link

if there's no image, onebox is still small

user315433

I'll keep using my bookmarklet for tweets, then.

user315433

New blog post: If you want to become a top notch😉 iOS developer, you need a strong reputation on Stack Overflow (SO) .

user315433

Pretty good advice, actually.

canon

9:14 PM

Opportunity to be an ally to a (purported) woman in tech: stackoverflow.com/questions/46594775/…

rene

9:51 PM

I walked the ally

turned out I was right, now it should be really closed as a typo ....

Oded

@Catija the subject matter... does help with the decision...

Catija

10:16 PM

@Oded So "making successful online communities" requires being tipsy?

Oded

I'd say it is a prerequisite.

Catija

Maybe I'd do better answering on my meta sites if I were tipsy... I worry that "don't drink and SE" might be a better policy for me.

Adam Lear

"Don't drink and internet" is a good policy to have in general.

Oded

Now you tell me :(

Shog9

Well, for one's own sanity, I would consider "Don't internet entirely sober either" a sensible companion policy.

Catija

10:23 PM

... you guys are not making this any easier.

Oded

hic

canon

There's a sweet spot...

Catija

@canon You're assuming that something that applies to programming also applies to writing actual words?

Shog9

they are pretty similar

imagine that a segfault results in a dear friend not speaking to you again for years, and a stack overflow is one of those threads that lasts three years and ends up getting you doxxed by someone who joined the conversation several months in.

Catija

Do the SE offices have kegs? I went to the Bottle Rocket offices in Dallas once and they actually have three beers on tap... They clearly are at least attempting to follow the advice of that XKCD.

Shog9

10:36 PM

There were two kegs at the Denver office when I was there last

Catija

@Shog9 I don't know what any of those things are.

Shog9

one held cold-brew coffee, the other kombucha

Adam Lear

yeah, NY office has kombucha on tap, but beer we have to get out of the fridge like savages

Shog9

@Catija a friend is like an acquaintance except you owe them money

a dear friend is like a friend, except you owe them a lot of money

Catija

Oh, speaking of beer... Andy decided he really wanted to try brewing a Trappist style Tripel... it had 17 pounds of grain... and added sugars... We've been advised to wait a couple months before consuming it.

Shog9

10:40 PM

heh

Catija

That explains why I don't have any friends... I don't owe people money.

Shog9

how long did that even take to ferment?

Catija

Well, we just started it on Sunday, so not sure. He did double pitch the yeast and it has four ounces of hops... so it should be interesting... too bad I don't really like beer. We're planning to bottle it, though, to let it age.

not that double pitching the yeast and the amount of hops relate to each other at all...

It's just a lot of hops for something that's not an IPA.

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