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4:03 AM
@drachenstern I gave it because I took it.
 
woohoo, my community is the #14th community so far on meetup :D
also, 188 communities!
 
@Moshe I'm willing to bet if you looked on the website ...
 
Meh!
@Zypher - What are you up to? SO is down!
 
@Moshe not here
 
Jin
4:09 AM
it was tough to find consistent Android UI templates
is it true that it changes a lot? and every vendor has their own UIs?
 
@Jin for what?
 
@Moshe whatchu on about?
 
@Jin Seems like it. I've seen several android phones with similar but different UIs.
 
huh looks like it was down for a bit ... musta been a build
and apparently i'm on call this week
 
@Jin it's true that every vendor can customize just about everything, yes. But Android can still be restyled by the user to something different
 
4:10 AM
Just got a maintenance error from SO.
ok
 
@Moshe welcome to the party. If you're only just now getting them you've been too slow to the party :p
 
Jin
@drachenstern i thought so. I don't have an android device. anyway, was just researching for the Android.se site design
 
@RebeccaChernoff Wwf?
 
@Jin ayup
 
4:12 AM
@Jin Lotsa little green robot thingys and a bunch of ugly orange borders please.
 
Jin
@Moshe ha. android ui can be beautiful. same for Win7's
 
@RebeccaChernoff WwF-itis?
 
@Jin indeed!
 
Jin
@Moshe and you totally called me out on the lil green robot thing..
 
@Jin I looked at WinPhone7. Very nice.
@Jin Heh.
 
4:13 AM
@Jin I think tastefully done it'll be perfect
 
@drachenstern agreed.
 
what I think we all want to know @jin is what's going to happen on 04/01
 
YAAJD = Yet Another Awesome Jin Design. YAEJD is also acceptable.
 
Jin
@RebeccaChernoff don't know about awesome. that's subjective :)
 
@RebeccaChernoff Like my website YAIA?
 
4:14 AM
@drachenstern we will be turning off all the servers and running away witht he vc
 
@Jin And argumentative.
 
@Zypher I would too ;)
 
@Zypher What remote tropical paradise can I meet you at?
 
Jin
for those who are interested in the Android.se site design: meta.android.stackexchange.com/questions/405/…
 
@Jin and we have plenty of subjective to complement you with ;)
 
4:15 AM
@TimStone cuba has been discussed
 
Jin
@drachenstern EEEEEK!
 
@Zypher not until I get there you better not!
 
damnit jin .. how can you keep pulling off these impresive designs?
 
@Jin Oh, nifty!
 
@RebeccaChernoff whenya getting here?
 
4:16 AM
@Jin cos I used the wrong spelling???
 
@Jin Cool.
 
Jin
@Zypher you have an android? does the design look "androidish?" i wish i had an android
 
@jin have a bb ... sorely tempted by the thunderbolt though
 
@Zypher She'll let you know by slipping a big backwards smiley under the door, 'member?
@Jin Looks Androidish. Kist wondering if the topbar should be solid.
And I'm wondering if the green question titles hurt readability a tad.
 
Jin
@Moshe i tried a black bg, didn't look too good. i think lighter shade makes it airy.
 
4:18 AM
So @Jin how do you feel about increasing the visual gutter between the sidebar and the content?
 
Jin
@Moshe i had the question titles in green first. it was harsh against white.
 
at least on the question pages
 
And I'm wondering if the green question titles hurt readability a tad.
 
Jin
@drachenstern for which site?
 
Does anyone actually own a WP7? Heh.
 
4:18 AM
@Jin looking at those mockups, but it was just a thought, nothing fully fleshed
I'm thinking 3-8 pixels ... I really am not entirely sure
 
@Jin I know you want it to be airy, but try the android topbar. It's a gray gradient.
 
Jin
@drachenstern oh i see. i normally do a lot of tweaking once i'm converting to CSS. the static mockup isn't pixel perfect.
 
(at least on Samsung's android UI)
 
@Jin I know the feeling. I do all the CSS at my job.
 
@Zypher Better idea - turn off all the servers, grab the vc, and come pick me up. (;
 
4:20 AM
@Jin Awesome. Is the logo part just going to be that text (in that font), or?
 
Jin
@Moshe i tried that too. basically anything other than light shades looks odd. because the header title has a darker bg.
 
should be sleeping or porting
 
@Moshe so go go
 
Jin
@Moshe it'd look like 2 dark strips doing on on the top. looks busy.
@TimStone the actual logo.png will just be text.
 
@Jin Hang on
 
Jin
4:21 AM
those two lil green robots cost me $2!
 
@Jin Really?
 
@Jin For whatever reason I feel bored by that font in contrast to everything else. I may just be being silly, though :P
 
Jin
@TimStone yeah i'm using Droid Sans throughout. normally I use 2 typefaces for contrast
 
@Jin - It's actually a solid light gray strip with black icons on it.
 
4:23 AM
gnight
Ok ok, @drachenstern, I'm going.
gnight
 
I probably should have picked a more appropriate parameter for the time scaling, but :P
 
Jin
@Moshe do you have a screenshot of it?
 
5,444 rep on SO \0/
 
@TimStone how did you output the video? I don't think I have ffmpeg on here and not in the mood to download/install it
 
nice! does that move faster than mine? hard to tell because the text flies, but we probably have more checkins. (;
 
4:24 AM
@Jin Google Images, "Samsung Android UI"
 
@drachenstern It's just a download/extract.
 
@drachenstern I used ffpmeg. :P
 
@RebeccaChernoff yes yes, you keep doing that you know
I might have my reasons :p
 
doing what? o:
 
Jin
@Moshe that gray bar?
 
4:25 AM
@Jin Yes, that's it.
 
@drachenstern being my usual awesome self? q:
 
@RebeccaChernoff probably :p
 
@RebeccaChernoff I think so, yeah...I couldn't really tell either, I'm going to mess around with it a bit more and see what happens. I'm sure you have many multiples more checkins, heheh, that's only 909 svn revisions.
 
I never did cook that food... I should do that and laundry and goto bed
 
(removed - slow connectivity)
 
4:26 AM
I should let the dog poop.
 
@Moshe I thought you were going to go write code
@mootinator did I tell you guys that I'm down to the one dog now? The other was not adjusting to the new apartment, took her back to the inlaws yard
 
closes safari - Wait, nevermind.
 
@drachenstern Aw :/
 
@TimStone 909? Yeah, we have slightly, hardly, a smidgin, just a hair, more.
 
@Moshe Opens Chrome!
 
4:27 AM
I'm actually confused why there are several supernova file clusters, heh...I know what they are, but there should only have been one, hmmm....Oh, wait, I bet I know. nods to self
@RebeccaChernoff Like 90000? ;)
 
@drachenstern - I'm thinking of getting a fish.
 
not quite that many
 
@mootinator yeah
 
though I guess in the clip I just did one month...hrm.
yeah, the one month I did has more than 909. (;
 
Heheh, your userbase is a little more demanding ;)
 
4:30 AM
Yeah, we should probably just get rid of them. Who needs them anyways?!
 
Wait, is this what the SE team is spending VC on? I wanna get paid to play with gource! :-)
 
Oh, whoops. I put it at 0.01 seconds per day, heh.
 
lol nah that was just for fun
 
closes tab and researched TimeZone classes in two languages
 
@TimStone That's nothing. I tried .001!
 
4:32 AM
well, keeps tab open to follow conversation, but moves on
 
Well I think it might have worked for me :p
 
hahaha I tried 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000­000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000­000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000­000000000000000000000000000000 and that's enough of that nonsense
 
anyone here hit our api via GAE?
 
Sorry, not I
 
not I
 
4:36 AM
meh no worries
 
Milliseconds = seconds * 1,000?
 
@Moshe aye. A metric converter would work well for you
 
(Just confirming at this late hour)
@drachenstern Aye, so would a pillow.
 
@Moshe that sounds reasonable
 
@Zypher whaddya need GAE for?
 
4:38 AM
@RebeccaChernoff probably checking something is working right
It's a shame he doesn't know any programmers
 
@drachenstern well I kind of assumed that...
 
@RebeccaChernoff :p I probably forgot how awesome you were ;)
 
@drachenstern I've heard that's a costly mistake
 
@TimStone indeed
 
4:41 AM
@drachenstern this
 
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the subtle question there was - is it important/urgent enough for me to spin something up. (;
 
Hrm... Wondering if I can just copy this complicated Java method as is...
Seeing as it's likely valid C
stand back folks:
double a = 6378137;
double b = 6356752.3142;
double f = 1 / 298.257223563; // WGS-84 ellipsiod
double L = Math.toRadians(location.getLongitude() - getLongitude());
double U1 = Math
.atan((1 - f) * Math.tan(Math.toRadians(getLatitude())));
double U2 = Math.atan((1 - f)
* Math.tan(Math.toRadians(location.getLatitude())));
double sinU1 = Math.sin(U1), cosU1 = Math.cos(U1);
double sinU2 = Math.sin(U2), cosU2 = Math.cos(U2);

double lambda = L;
double lambdaP = 2 * Math.PI;
double iterLimit = 20;
double sinLambda = 0;
As if I know what that monster is or does.
Ah, wikipedia.
Vincenty's formulae are two related iterative methods used in geodesy to calculate the distance between two points on the surface of a spheroid, developed by Thaddeus Vincenty in 1975. They are based on the assumption that the figure of the Earth is an oblate spheroid, and hence are more accurate than methods such as great-circle distance which assume a spherical Earth. The first (direct) method computes the location of a point which is a given distance and azimuth (direction) from another point. The second (inverse) method computes the geographical distance and azimuth between two given p...
 
4:58 AM
ok, why the hell did that process try and generate a n-GB file of a video? What did I do wrong? ... I am only mildly motivated to find out
 
my ppm output was 24 gb and the avi was 55mb
 
I just don't have 24GB on this laptop ... and I stopped it at 16GB due to the HDD was full
 
night folks
for real
completely closes browser and does NOT open another browser
 
@RebeccaChernoff o_O
 
@TimStone well how big was yours?
 
5:04 AM
Hmm, not sure. One sec, I'm redoing mine.
Oh, right, I have no idea about the ppm because it just passed through to the WebM encoder
prods DropBox
 
5:20 AM
lol
which webm encoder?
 
Though it didn't keep everything on the screen very well, meh.
> gource -o - | ffmpeg -y -r 60 -f image2pipe -vcodec ppm -i - -vcodec libvpx -b 10000K gource.webm
I'm not sure why the Windows one uses a file for the ppm output, maybe it's necessary.
 
yeah, idk, downloading ffmpeg <grumble/>
 
5:39 AM
grr, only a couple hundred messages from #5 ... probably by friday
And this weekend if I'm on SE after Friday evening and before Sunday night, somebody castrate me ...
 
I'm going to pass those duties on to someone else, but I'll be sure to remind them.
 
lol
Indeed
sometimes editing really doesn't help that much :(
the blind leading the blind
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Q: getting some problem with gridview paging

khan mohd faizani hav two pages in one pages i placed grid.in grid i m using two hyperlink select and edit when i click on edit page redirect to another page.when i editing the record it back to first page the problem is when i was click on 2nd ya 3rd page of grid then edit back to first page but i not getting 2...

 
@drachenstern O_o
 
@TimStone I think my edit was helpful
 
That answer though, WTF? :P
 
5:52 AM
@TimStone you saw my comment?
Also, I added an answer that I feel is too advanced for the asker.
 
@drachenstern Yeah
 
omg, go look again ... /facepalm
 
Yeah, I saw that too, hahah
 
I swear to $deity if he does a rollback I'm deleting my answer.
 
5:55 AM
> if you took topamax while pregnant you may be able to sue someone for birth defects of your child.
what they didn't say:
> if you took topamax while pregnant you did not listen to the warnings we plastered over all the drugs, over the FDAs website, over every drug reasonably related to psychopharmacology ever produced, or every doctor's advice we've ever encouraged ...
I have never seen psychopharmacology that doesn't say "stop taking if you get pregnant"
 
What really kills me is the people that go after the pharmaceutical companies in those cases, and win.
If the drug is a prescription drug, then uh, the weak link definitely wasn't the pharma company.
 
Good point.
That said, not all doctors are actually responsible. =/
 
There was some medication a while back that that happened to where the people sued and won, because the warning about gangrene wasn't "clear enough"
To me, any warning about gangrene is clear enough, since it's gangrene, but you know..
 
But basically it was because the doctor didn't follow the instructions included (I think it was an injection-based drug)
But somehow because the labeling on the bottle about the side-effects (not about the instructions the doctor didn't follow) wasn't clear enough, the pharma company was at fault.
I can't even begin to fathom what logic was used to reach that conclusion, but yeah
 
6:04 AM
@TimStone indeed.
if it says "side effects may include your peen falling off" then guess what?
 
I think it boiled down to "If you don't follow the instructions, you're at increased risk of gangrene", where apparently "If you make [this specific mistake], you're at increased risk of gangrene" would have suddenly made the administering doctor more competent, hahah.
kicks Oracle in the shins
It'd be super cool if half of the Java bug reports didn't suddenly "disappear".
 
omg ... seriously? "plz send me teh codez" ... I feel that was a proper and appropriate smackdown
@TimStone that is probably true :p
can I upload libx264 to youtube?
 
Good question, I'm not sure. (WebM FTW :P)
Turns out that my cable jack is on the opposite side of the room, hmm..
 
oh snap. they have a size limit don't they?
it's 36MB
I wonder if it's too large
 
6:21 AM
@drachenstern to upload to youtube?
 
@RebeccaChernoff yeah, dumb thoughts. I haz them
 
1 hour ago, by Rebecca Chernoff
my ppm output was 24 gb and the avi was 55mb
 
don't use logic with me NAO
> About 1 min. remaining...
I really want to delete my answer now, and revert my edit. But it may help the next person not ask a dumb question
I can haz video upload?
 
In a few minutes. (;
 
Yeah, I saw that. :D
 
6:26 AM
@drachenstern I bet it's a visualization of that repo! points
 
@TimStone :p
I'm curious why it takes so long to upload and prepare the video ...
 
Just like mine was a visualization of this repo. nods
 
@ircmaxell You really don't post to your blog much...
 
@TimStone lol
 
@drachenstern Conversion and such, plus they gotta scan for your infringements using unicorns!
 
6:28 AM
@TimStone yeah, I know :\
it's a little depressing they can scan my work against all known uploads in less than 10 minutes ...
I bet the guys there could write the one program I want written inside of two weeks...
there's nothing good on TV
 
I still need to run this cable all the way around the room so I can see what's on :P
 
it's live :D
 
Nice, your code is clearly much more stable (and sizable) than mine ;)
 
yeah, it's much more sizeable in terms of filecount, because apparently we don't know how to write good code, but that's just my opinion
and this is the primary product. I want to try tomorrow on my computer at work and see if I can do more than one log at one time ... that would be sweet
Also, I didn't let it put the pauses in between the days, I had it snip all the slow parts
that's 18 mos of logs, give or take
well probably 15 mos
 
Yeah, I think mine is about the same timeframe, though my calendar maths is a bit fail at the moment.
 
6:41 AM
alright, I've been up way too long
 
G'night :P
 
raises brow
 
@TimStone "whom should I tell the reason for a user suspension" ... the question was framed over there, figured I would draw attention so the guy could get an authoritative tonight.
 
Ah ha
 
6:45 AM
@TimStone yeah, nothing big.
 
@drachenstern That "rush service" is gonna cost you. (:
 
ok, I'm gonna not pull a @Moshe ... night ;)
@RebeccaChernoff I can send you a bottle of that sauce sometime towards the end of summer, will that be close enough?
 
@drachenstern Mind-reader!
 
speaking of rush service, will I get my tshirt before the meetup?
gone
 
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Q: What makes a good tag?

GabeI just read the tag FAQ and it didn't seem to make clear that tags should be unambiguously meaningful. I would suggest that a "good tag" be one that you could write a tag wiki excerpt for (and not just copy a definition out of a dicitionary). This was prompted by clicking on the level tag and se...

Oh god, we have a tag!?
 
6:50 AM
we should totz convert it to a Y-U-NO-WORK tag
 
@TimStone 'em! 'em all!
 
:D
Apparently there's also a
A tag which evidently gave birth to the
 
7:17 AM
So yeah, its brilliant that you'd have to click through five 'Possible Duplicate' link to see the master question
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Q: minor quirk in "Tags" page.

Spudley Possible Duplicate: Tag search state retention inconsistency Small bug report. (actually, maybe more of a quirk than a bug?) If you go to the "Tags" page, it loads with a set of page links at the bottom. If you type anything into the search box, those links disappear. I can understan...

 
That seems a bit ridiculous :/
 
... they aren't really dupes aren't they?
 
I don't think so, for multiple reasons.
The most obvious being that it was a regression, but the linked duplicate is about using the back button.
 
Shouldn't the system automatically link to the 'master' dupe question?
 
I think that the close-as-duplicate functionality would have to be expanded on a lot more to make that possible.
It'd definitely be nice, but it's one of those cases where people should just use the correct duplicate.
 
7:30 AM
What is this I don't even...
It looks like some 12 year old got hold of Photoshop and decided to go wild with filters and layer styles
And that horrible, horrible title font. Cannot unsee!
 
lmao
By the way, Jin posted the Android design preview on that site's meta (link somewhere above) if you wanted to comment :P
goes off to lay down and watch tv
 
@YiJiang whoever made it is a pokemon cards fan
 
@Reno I see the influence, but having owned a number of Pokemon cards myself I have to disagree - Pokemon cards are much, much better
@TimStone Awww, its so cute, little green robots have invaded the header. My only problem with it is that the badge icon might be slightly larger than what parts of the site might be designed for
 
8:08 AM
@YiJiang Don't be so mean. That was the way we designed stuff in 1998!
Oh, wait
 
 
2 hours later…
10:02 AM
~
 
(~_~)/
 
oh nothing
 
So why did you raise your hand? stares
 
err .. umm
(~_~),
 
10:05 AM
(−_−)
 
10:49 AM
@TylerChacha Look at the date of the first post ;-)
 
 
3 hours later…
2:01 PM
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A: getting some problem with gridview paging

drachensternThe problem is that the webpage needs to know what page to send you to. The way I do this is to pass a querystring parameter when I change pages. So in the URL to the edit page you want to have the URL say (for example) http://server/edit.aspx?value=number&returnPage=2 and then when you go ...

@TimStone it didn't get any better
Mornin everyone, what's the good news today?
So who hasn't heard the story of the badass Japanese who rescued his wife and mother from the floodwaters.
This is the much better version here badassoftheweek.com/akaiwa.html and you should really read this version even if you've read the real news version.
And if you run out of awesomeness this morning, read this one too badassoftheweek.com/lozito.html
 
2:22 PM
@drachenstern Holy Crap!
 
2:34 PM
Remember the blindingly awesome One Million Question gif? The JavaScript room just enhanced it:
in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 8 mins ago, by Myles Gray
http://jsfiddle.net/6mtgr/6/embedded/result/
We utilized the latest in HTML technology
 
@YiJiang except how it's too impossible to read and the onclick does nothing
@YiJiang a Marquee tag?
 
@drachenstern Its cross browser all the way down to Netscape 4!
 
Can I get a quick Java sanity check?
 
sigh
 
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Q: Why are my classes not found even though my imports are correct?

danThe Classes ADSTool and the Class PPM are not found by my compiler. I'm using Eclipse Helios. The docs say that I have to import java.lang.Object for both, and I imported java.lang*; I can't see why this isn't working.

Am I wrong about java.lang*? Note the lack of a dot between lang and *.
 
2:43 PM
@PopularDemand Not to my reading.
 
@drachenstern Thanks. I'll live with the downvote as long as I'm not actually wrong.
 
2:54 PM
@drachenstern hi!
I did not find you yesterday
15 hours ago, by drachenstern
Interesting. I would encourage you to update this page with more information for us Amerikaner ;) I can guide you on the things I would love to see. (Like: when the usual school term is during the year, how many years one is encouraged to goto college, etc) ...
I did not quite get what you are interested in knowing :)
 
Am I wrong here?
I basicalle removed (solved) from a question title as part of an edit.
The OP complained. I'm ignoring it, but I just want to know if I should have left it.
Is this off topic?
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Q: What's the most popular code snippet platform for iPhone/iPad?

davsanI'm wondering which platform do iPhone/iPad developers make use of or contributions to, like Snippler for instance. Instead of searching every code snippet platform for the number of iPhone tagged snippets (in fact I did search 6-7 platforms and could come up with just Snippler), I wanted to get ...

 
@Moshe No, I think it is correct
 
@Trufa Yeah, I was rather absent from chat ;)
 
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Q: Preserving Baseband when jail breaking to iOS 4.2.1

Alexander 'Bambi' SadlerI have been reading up on this and still have a lot of conflicting information and confusing contradictions. I have a iPhone 3Gs running 4.0.2 on Baseband 05.13.04 Model MC131B Can I upgrade to 4.2.1 whilst preserving my 05.13.04 Baseband? If so, with which tools?

Flagged for removal.
Wow. So many things wrong. Off topic. Gray Area legal.
Wondering if I should burn a downvote too, just for good measure.
 
@Moshe I commented on your previous question
@drachenstern whenever you want, we can talk about how my classes.
 
3:09 PM
@Trufa What does your schedule look like in about 8-9 hours?
 
sorry I'll be in class then
@drachenstern in aproximately 10 hours I'll be free
or in 2
 
@Trufa 10 hours from now sounds good.
I'm at work this AM so 2 hours doesn't quite work ;)
Speaking of work ... let me go get new work assignments
 
@drachenstern ok great!!
10 (worst case scenario 10 and a half hours from now)
we'll make a chat room
 
I wonder...
 
@YiJiang bored?
 
3:14 PM
@drachenstern Yeah
 
@Trufa nah, we can do it here, might get more useful information from others too
 
@drachenstern Agreed! :)
@drachenstern see you then!!
 
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Q: Play a note of a certain frequence

Fabrizio BartolomucciHullo, I have a sequence of digits from 0 to 255 that I would like to convert to the volume of a given note. And I need to play 920 different notes with this feature. Is it possible to set a certain frequence in the audible range and have the iPhone play a note at that frequence like for example ...

 
3:30 PM
1 message moved to Sandbox
 
@balpha awww you don't like being bored?
 
@balpha Awww, why can't we have recursive quotes? Anyway, have any idea why the JavaScripts are randomly not loading for some people?
 
this one:
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Q: Comments not working, drop-downs not showing on StackOverflow

Joris MeysEDIT : problem solved. What was the problem? I noticed that on SO the voting up of comments doesn't work any more, and that the dropdown next to my name for the recent activity is not showing any more. I also can't add any comments on SO. More details : the arrow for upvoting and the flag fo...

no idea
 
It looks like half the script has gone missing
 
the other one is fixed
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A: What is the error today in question.js

balphaClassic "trailing comma" bug; as thus it only affected IE7. Fixed now.

 
3:35 PM
Right, totally different issue, I saw
 
@YiJiang he says "problem solved"
Firefox is known for sometimes forgetting only half of a cached file :\
 
@balpha Eh, okay. [status-\o/] then
 
I'm having a JS refactoring week, so broken caches have a higher chance to stop stuff from working at the moment
 
Right, good to know
 

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