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1:20 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: CODE IGNITER 3 MAXIMUM EXICUTION TIME ISSUE by sarath on stackoverflow.com
@Derpy bah, to adopt that, we should first switch to the duodecimal neometric system.
@bjb568 I once managed to slip in "beard-seconds" as a length unit of measure in an old app I developed
Works on flaggerbot
Edits things first
1:38 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Non-latin link in answer: Why is this Schema.org microdata markup wrong? by Flower Delivery on webmasters.stackexchange.com
sd tpu-
Blech people call JSFiddle FIDDLER
how it comes?
stackexchange.com - if i click the logout button, it never logout my user.
> "257207", # United States of America aka Unicorns are Very Very Yummy
I seem to be stuck in a loop
LOL That's outdated
1:55 PM
..... really? I have to resort to CCleaner to log out?
[ SmokeDetector ] Phone number detected in title: How to login your Yahoo Account - 1-844-462-7822 by emilyjackson023 on stackoverflow.com
2:01 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Duplicate Rest URL Path : swagger with spring by Sanjib Pramanick on stackoverflow.com
R-A-T-S. This is insane. Seem I will have to log-off via CCleaner...
@bjb568 lateMew :D
@balpha - I am mistaken in thinking that "http://stackexchange.com/users/logout" should logout my user? It seem to be doing nothing. O_o
2:09 PM
@Derpy works for me, what happens?
@balpha after the log-off I seem to be still logged in
Can you post a bug report on meta?
Yes, but I can't really provide much info.
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Cast iron, forged iron or carbon steel pan for induction? by Rifat Tabassam on cooking.stackexchange.com (@Unihedron)
2:12 PM
sd tpu-
@Mush is a privileged smokey user? huh
Heh, I got a 670 on the SAT physics subject test without studying or ever taking a physics class.
I'll take AP Physics C next year, so it'll be 800.
What's the score out of, is it like 670ppm?
200 to 800. it's weird
And it's normalized, so mean of 500 and standard deviation of 120 or so
I was doing some work for a local college (which is about age 16-18 so bit different to US I think) a while back and one of the teachers was telling me there's no such thing as failing any more, the worst result you can get is something like "repeat recommended".
2:35 PM
@balpha I may have found the bug. It starts with Micro and ends with Soft.....
@balpha OK, Confirmed Balpha. Seem IE cannot really clean up its own storages.
CCleaner found the actual uncleaned folders.
I replicated the problem with other sites.
Eeeek, this don't happen when I am actually at home, using my IMac/Firefox. Why I have to work with IE? Sigh.
Sorry for the fake alarm.
okay, thanks for debugging
2:53 PM
@balpha I still don't understand if this is a Vanilla M$ error or something related to group policy hell...
@Derpy the weird thing is that I'm pretty sure @Adam said recently that the login isn't using local storage anymore, only cookies.
!!/blame Microsoft
@ShadowWizard It's DavidG's fault.
@ShadowWizard IE seem to store cookie in at leas three different places. None seem to be cleaned up when I either log-off or clean the temp files from the IE interface (yes, I included cookies)
CCleaner had no problem at all.
..... Firefox had neither.
So I just failed this audit, can someone help me see what the problem with this post is? Yes, it is pointing someone to a paid service but the answer clearly spells out that this person is affiliated with this project and that it costs money, but it does seems to be relevant to the question stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/10320205
@Derpy huh, for some reason I'm not surprised a bit
3:05 PM
@balpha <3
@bjb568 1,233 Reviews getting better eh? :) Started out with ~400 lol
@mikeTheLiar the question itself is off topic on Stack Overflow. So what you should do when seeing answers to such questions in review is go to the question itself, vote to close, and skip the review since it's not relevant.
(yes it's not spam, yes it's relevant to the question, but the question itself is not valid anymore)
@ShadowWizard ah, gotcha. Seems like it's not the best candidate for an audit but whatevs.
@SterlingArcher Not enough for a mod, but certainly better :)
but do beware of burnout
What's the reasoning behind (in the queue) the system saying "Our system has identified this as possible spam" when the question is a test? I feel like that defeats the purpose of the test.
3:11 PM
Burnouts happen. Main burnouts happen, queue burnouts happen.. but they always come back.
@SterlingArcher brought up on meta a bunch of times, they won't change it
It's no big deal, it's just silly.
@mikeTheLiar the code can't really tell if question is on topic or not when it doesn't even have downvotes or close votes on it. I think questions with close votes are not chosen as audits.
Helps me pass tests lol
Yeah, fair enough. I don't have enough rep to VTC anyway.
3:12 PM
Wow ChatExchange...
I use 3 clients
@mikeTheLiar so you can flag :)
Most of the time it fails with some base 10 thing
I flag very freely
Q: Don't me that a suggested edit is possibly spam when it's an audit

ProgramFOXI had a suggested edit audit that told me: Our system has identified this edit as possible spam; please review carefully The system told me this before rejecting the edit, so I don't think that this should displayed for audits, because if this is displayed, robo-reviewers will pay more atte...

No reasoning, the message is there in a lower level than the audits
@nicael huh?
What about that user?
3:17 PM
@ShadowWizard One question. I've then looked into their network profile - nice picture showing how the community grows ;)
@ShadowWizard That title...
had to read it at least three times
@nicael Lol
Wishes for random account merge
Maybe some new mod gets a faulty mouse that will merge the account with mine :P
Sends Undo a faulty mouse
@Braiam yeah, well, it also had a typo. Fixed ;)
@nicael oh. Nice... and also activity tab showing the whole collection of possible question badges. :D
A: How do I use raw_input in Python 3.1

balpharaw_input() was renamed to input() From http://docs.python.org/dev/py3k/whatsnew/3.0.html

@UNICYCLEZRDEBESTINDEHERE won't do any good. Ordinary moderators can't merge users anymore, as far as I know. Only SE employees with the proper privileges.
evil grin
Sends Shog a faulty mouse
Ya know what?
Sends box of faulty mice as Christmas presents to SE SO headquarters
3:30 PM
Sends @Sha killing mouse
Sends Bart dancing mouse
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Drawing intersecting 3D surface plots by DONPLAYME on tex.stackexchange.com (@Unihedron)
3:33 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer, blacklisted user: Drawing intersecting 3D surface plots by DONPLAYME on tex.stackexchange.com (@Unihedron)
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Drawing intersecting 3D surface plots by DONPLAYME on tex.stackexchange.com (@Unihedron)
Someone protect that please
ChatExchange fix?
    done_get_mse = False

    client_mse = None

    while not done_get_mse:
            client_mse = Client("meta.stackexchange.com")
            client_mse.login(username, password)
            done_get_mse = True
Actually, let's just break :D
stackoverflow.com/a/33490345/774078 Why was my VLQ flag disputed?
> bluefeet♦ reviewed this 22 mins ago: Looks OK
3:43 PM
It kind feels link only to me :(
blue y D:
@blue can explain... ;)
PING HER @Sha has pinged her
@ShadowWizard WAT!
Uhoh ...
3:44 PM
2 mins ago, by Sterling Archer
http://stackoverflow.com/a/33490345/774078 Why was my VLQ flag disputed?
I felt like it was a link-only answer :D
Don't hurt me
dang, can't find that box
@SterlingArcher I don't think it's VLQ, which means it can't be improved at all.
Be happy it was a dispute and not a declined
Can you decline a VLQ flag?
Blue can decline ALL THE THINGS!
3:46 PM
I'm not sure what the difference is
@ShadowWizard yes if I'm processing the flag directly but I was in review
review allows me to dispute
Enough declined flags and you can't flag anymore for a while
disputed has no actual effect
Except emotional
3:46 PM
So I guess since we're in a dispute, our families are now effectively at war, @bluefeet?
@ShadowWizard except learnin
:sigh: I'll go sharpen my axe...
@bluefeet well, yeah :)
@SterlingArcher my blue feet will always win
3:47 PM
Death by blue feet ... what a way to go
Paints @blue's feet green
Uhh.. as a trophy..
Like hunting
@SterlingArcher if something can be improved via an edit, do that instead of flagging
10-4, thank you for explaining
Now if you'll excuse me, it's booby season.
boobie? Whichever is the appropriate bird term.
I found something disturbing while browsing SE office
Who is the artist?? ;)
3:51 PM
@ShadowWizard the whole office is an Easter egg hunt. Back to the future references, lifters with "upvote" written on the call buttons, Trogdor running around, people with unicorn masks....
4:09 PM
@Derpy lol, very true. I love browsing it, finding those things :)
(and wonder how many were added just for the sake of taking the pictures, except for the obvious masks they don't wear every day ;))
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title, repeating characters in title: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO by Peter on stackoverflow.com
@ShadowWizard I am not even sure they don't.
Peter, if you give up on trying to improve, you can delete your question. No need to deface it and attract negative attention. — Shadow Wizard 31 secs ago
@Derpy LOL
[ SmokeDetector ] Phone number detected in title: Facebook Phone Number 1 855 77O 779O..? by Vaibhav Raj on webapps.stackexchange.com
If you weren't a spammer, you wouldn't obfuscate zeros as letters O in the title, would you? — Normal Human 12 secs ago
@SmokeDetector tpu-
hahahaha, smokey detect those as numbers... cool!
Yes, I added this recently: it's just O->0 substitution done before running the regular check. They were some other obfuscation methods, but I don't remember what they were.
4:49 PM
@bluefeet Wat? VLQ has nothing to do with potential to be improved. If it was inappropriate to improve a post, it would necessarily be spam/abuse. I've never encountered a worse definition of VLQ than "can't be improved". Almost anything can be.
More evidence as to how mods should never handle VLQ/NAA. The community knows better.
sigh again @bjb568? The very definition of VLQ is it can't be salvaged via editing.
Editing by non-OP. That means the only issue with it is formatting, with no major content problems.
> You can't do that by Console.ReadKey(); Alt, Ctrl, or Shift are modifier key
That doesn't answer the question, so the answer has a major content problem that can't be solved by an editor.
The answer isn't an answer.
It's not just that it's "link only" — it isn't. But even if it was, the link doesn't solve the problem either.
So downvote? That's not VLQ. At best it's NAA, but I don't think that would apply.
Essentially the exchange is:
Asker: I have problem with foo()
Answerer: foo() doesn't work
Flagger: that ain't no solution
Mod: meh, VLQ definition blah blah, something something salvageable, links, blah, this is totally an answer
@Bart VLQ in that it's badly formatted and not useful, NAA in that it doesn't answer the question at all.
It's borderline NAA perhaps. But NAA is generally "I have the problem as well, did you find a solution" for example.
The correct exchange is:
Asker: I have problem with foo()
Answerer: foo() doesn't work
Flagger: that ain't no solution
Mod or Queue: it's not, DELETE
@Bart no, that's an autoreviewcomment, not the definition of NAA at all.
I'm afraid I have to disagree. I guess sunglasses are clouding your view. Try clear glasses instead.
"did you find a solution" certainly is NAA, but so is gibberish (also abuse), and "I love cows" (also abuse), and "can you post the fiddle?" (convert to comment), and "I think it has something to do with AJAX highlighting wafflecakes" (also convert to comment)
Answers should answer the question. Related things that don't should be converted to comment if it fits and is helpful, else delete.
"You can't do that by <what OP is using and says doesn't work and is what prompted the question>" in no way even attempts to answer the question — not that an attempt to answer a question makes something not VLQ/NAA.
I would disagree that there is no attempt to answer it. It's a poor answer that ultimately does not help the OP. It needs a downvote. Not a flag.
But maybe I'm getting all soft and cuddly at my old age ... (made myself laugh there)
What part of it attempts to answer? "You can't do…"? "modifier keys are modifier keys"? link to the function that doesn't work?
The link is in chinese or something BTW, not that it matters…
5:03 PM
The OP seems to state "Hey, this is what I'm trying. It doesn't work and I don't know why". And the answer says "It doesn't work because it fundamentally can't work". Granted, he does not provide a solution, but to state he doesn't address the problem is a bit too much for me. There's nothing of great value there, and it's downvotable, but I don't see a reason to flag.
This is the crappiest turd answer that I've seen in a while, and as people are asking in the mod questionnaire about whether you'd delete a complete answer with only code, you wouldn't delete something that contains no code, no explanation, no helpful link, no demonstration of comprehending the question, and nothing of value?
> when i press CTRL , nothing happen , but when i press any other key like "K" it starts reading key from keyboard
There's no profound realization that the answer's sharing. OP already knows that.
Sure, the OP knows nothing happens. But doesn't seem to realize WHY nothing happens. It's this that the answerer tries to address ... poorly.
Something you can indicate with this lovely downward pointing triangle.
Even with the awful quality of the question, you can easily tell what the problem is and why OP's having trouble. The function doesn't work for <test case>. This is clear. the answer doesn't fix anything for <test case>, he just says that know bad test case is know bad test case!
Are we talking about this answer? I think I agree with @Bart here. That should be downvoted, not flagged or deleted.
5:07 PM
this would be solved with a single "should be deleted" and be done with it
@Bart Assuming "why does this function not work with modifier keys?" is the question, "the function doesn't not work because it doesn't respond to modifier keys" still isn't the answer. But I should point out that the question isn't why it doesn't work, it's how to fix it.
No @Braiam. We shall fight over this at great length! I will smite, bjb will scratch .. we will pull @blue back into this discussion at some point ... tears will be shed. Blood will flow. Until Shog comes in and bans us all.
@Bart I can wield the ban hammer as well.... blue footed powers rule!
The answer is a) a tautology, b) answering the wrong question, c) in response to a well-stated but badly formatted question (which should have been edited), d) low quality in itself, e) pointing to a chinese MSDN page that doesn't prove anything, f) low entropy, g) unsalvageable because it's unintelligible what the fundamental meaning is, and h) uneditable because OP will never learn how to properly write an answer
i) tastes like chicken
5:10 PM
Tastes like chicken crap, sure.
low... entropy? What? Since when is the criterion for answer deletion "low entropy?"
(also, "OP will never learn" isn't exactly the most... uh... productive... thought process)
@Doorknob Answers convey information. Since answerable questions are SO are necessarily nontrivial, answers to them necessarily have to convey at least a certain amount of information to be valid.
That whole reason makes no sense anyway.
I'm not sure if he wants to meant the opposite of "lack of order or predictability; gradual decline into disorder"
@Bart it is a rebuttal against the common "but somebody (i.e. only OP) can edit!"
so, no, OP won't edit.
5:13 PM
"because he will never learn how to properly write an answer"?
I certainly remember that with the "should be improved" button
Yes, don't push that when the question matches a close reason, obviously.
Should be improved are for questions with formatting, but not content problems.
5:28 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in body: Does Antioxidants Slower the getting older? by Cout1971 on stackoverflow.com
clarifying the meaning is something that can be done, but sometimes you have to ask yourself "it's worth the effort?"
5:50 PM
> [SO in] Spanish [...] is set to go into private beta on December 1, 2015 discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/a/22331
TC would be happy.
TIL: monuments can be weird.
6:06 PM
Is that to honor Malaria ... ?
in Language Overflow on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 7 mins ago, by CopperKettle
(because there are billions of mosquitoes in Siberia)
6:20 PM
@rene lol...
@rene BTW ellipsis is not ... .
6:36 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Fire plane supplement proposal by Drunken_Guy on rpg.stackexchange.com (@Unihedron)
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Thanks, I know. Using ellipsis would confuse regulars
@rene . . .
^ lol context
@SmokeDetector why?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Body - Position 294-300: herpes
anyone feels that I can spell out more clearly that ios !== tvos? meta.stackoverflow.com/a/311033/792066
@SmokeDetector ಠ_ಠ
7:15 PM
@Braiam what is going on with those answers anyway? Apple haters?
@Braiam Maybe say ios !== tvos but tag it ALSO with what would be the common denomination with similar questions. If both iOS and tvOS share the same context, tag it with the corresponding common context instead (if they are relevant)! xcode, objetive-c, swift are all common context for all Apple devices, use them
Q: Matlab Koch Snowflake

7oda HOW TO DRAW THIS ON MATLAB? i want the code

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: YUV 422 , YUV 420 ,YUV 444 by Aizen on stackoverflow.com
@Doorknob You clearly fail to see the puzzle: What meaning of Kosh applies here?
Q: Make it easier to report mods

JonHI have been an SE user for quite some time. I'm not legendary like skeet, nor am I one of the top 100 users...but I like to help. I am sick and tired of certain mods deleting for instance comments that help ops out. There are mods I respect and who do their job correctly, but there are quite a...

Way to go. Almost 2k, haven't learned a thing.
7:37 PM
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. rep is not a measure of how you understand the site
@bjb568 Rep in meta fairly is.
The mods are downvoting of course. When it comes to taking some form of responsibility no one wants it. — JonH 3 hours ago
This is the same guy who felt ostracized by the JS room because the current topic was not JS related, and nobody was asking questions. lol
Not hard to feel ostracized when you're an ostrich.
@bjb568 . . .
7:42 PM
@bjb568 These words have different origins.
13 minutes until the election ends...
Oh holy . . .
Madara! Madara! madara!
Do we find out results right away? I can't remember
We do.
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Boot Problem [No bootable devices found] by lol on askubuntu.com
> election ends

in 6 minutes
7:53 PM
@SmokeDetector tpu-
So we're going to get new mods in 5 mins?
There's usually a short while before they get the diamond. I think that, among others, they have to agree to the Moderator Agreement.
Guess you're right.
Not new mods, but results.
four mins
Undo must be one of them.
7:56 PM
....it's like New Year's Eve... counting down. Anyone got champagne?
I guess someone is running the vote results and report here?
they also have to send mails, chainmails, chainhammer, warhammer, and hammerheads
@rene I will run them. I'll report if you like, but we have fatter faster people here.
I like fatter people
OK, tnx
@rene Duh, you're the one who created the Stroopwafel diet!
7:58 PM
> Election closes in 1 minute.
omg omg omg
@S.L.Barth I sure did
> Election closes momentarily.
Remember the day we can't @Undo
8:00 PM
@SterlingArcher Any excuse for champagne! :-)
in Fall 2015 Moderator Election Chat on Stack Overflow Chat, 21 secs ago, by ElectionBot
Unofficial results: Winners are josilber, Ed Cottrell, and Madara Uchiha.
8:01 PM
Hey, no @Undo?!
I demand justice, I expect voting irregularities
Oh man, finally a JS mod
@SterlingArcher That makes banning that complete room easier
8:03 PM
Bummed out.
Pft, there is no stopping us.
We have the power userscripts!
The Tavern congratulates Josilber, Madara Uchiha and @EdCottrell for their new janitor achievement.
Q: November 2015 Stack Overflow Community Moderator Election RESULTS

Shog9Stack Overflow's November 2015 moderator election has come to a close, the robots have transfered many single votes to tally up the results, and the 3 new moderators are: They'll be joining the existing crew shortly — please thank them for volunteering, and share your assistance and advice ...

wow, Ed already have its diamond
@Braiam Its.
8:07 PM
if I'm not mistaken it will be the mod with less rep all round
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. tell you a secret? Everyone on the internet is a dog, unless they are already proven their identities as another entities
@Braiam Not really. I'm a fenestrane.
@Braiam ...like cats, or bears.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. why are you arguing with me?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Still holds - the "unless" clause kicks in.
@Braiam It's fun and I'm sleepy.
8:11 PM
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. For an entity to be sleepy, it needs to be a whole lot more than one molecule. Are you sure you're not a dog after all? :-)
@S.L.Barth Lemme check.
* Wags tail in anticipation *
Nope. I'm still a fenestrane.
* Tail drops *
Sleepy = close to the triple state.
@SmokeDetector ignore-
@S.L.Barth close enough
8:29 PM
It seems this is the best place to meet new mods
@chmod666telkitty Well they haven't spoken here yet.
one of them have
But then, I guess they're busy getting instructions from SO.
in here?
@rene Full recount of hanging chads
8:32 PM
Pardon my boring US-centric reference.
Question: how many of the recent elections were followed by a recount & callup of additional mods?
out of...?
there was couple of years we didn't even had the election
@Doorknob 1.5
8:34 PM
@Braiam Which ones were these?
@NormalHuman I emailed the OSCE...
Somebody really should do this for SO elections... I guess I will.
Shocking realization: a number of Taverners were born after the hanging chads thing...
Let me re-phrase my statement
'It seems this is the best place to meet new mods before they even become one'
@NormalHuman How many years ago was that thingy?
8:40 PM
@NormalHuman Yes, I never wanted to admit this, but I'm a toddler :-D
The United States presidential election of 2000 was the 54th quadrennial presidential election. It was held on Tuesday, November 7, 2000. The contest was between Republican candidate George W. Bush, the incumbent governor of Texas and son of former president George H. W. Bush, and Democratic candidate Al Gore, the incumbent vice president. Incumbent Democratic President Bill Clinton was not eligible to serve a third term, and Vice President Gore was able to secure the Democratic nomination with relative ease. Bush was seen as the early favorite for the Republican nomination, and despite a contentious...
Well, I was 2.
@NormalHuman I was born slightly over a month after that.
Or 3?
Pfft, details.
thanks for letting us know your age
8:42 PM
@Doorknob O_o I thought you were 30 or something.
He's 30 in door-opening-device years.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. so was me!
@Shog9 I can't possibly be wrong I guess.
@nicael You can't prolly use accusative there.
chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/41211/… —@Normal one day I'm going to ask you to make me one of those bots you got there.
> 155,296 [of eligible voters] visited the site during the election
8:48 PM
Closer to truth than "a community of 4.7 million"
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. All my bots' source code is on GitHub. Except one.
@NormalHuman The chat one?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. The chat bot (as in Normal Chatroom) is here. Note it's quite primitive in its interaction with chat: it's just a userscript running in a browser tab in which I keep the chatroom open.
[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body: for those who are not able to write/clone to chip? by john on security.stackexchange.com
8:52 PM
@SmokeDetector tpu- spam
@SmokeDetector gone

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