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Unihedro

14:00

Wait, I have an idea!

rene

@ShadowWizard you're speaking of yourself?

Unihedro

We should run an election to vote for "regular users".

3

Infinite Recursion

Not sure of the wordy definition @Shadow. Jan and rene and uni asked for xkcdbot to be kicked. IMHO they count as "regulars" on today's date.

Shadow Wizard

@Unihedro stars == votes?

@rene lol, nope. Never was really active here. :)

Andy

@AstroCB Yeah....scroll through there and see that Jan provided a very nice method of blocking his images. There is a user script as well. There is a direct request to stop posting the images from me, as well as Uni and a query on where we needed Inf to deal with it.

Shadow Wizard

14:02

I just arrive for some fun (or something to ask/report) and leave until the next time.

Andy

@ShadowWizard Who said we can have fun?! It's monday. Monday's aren't fun.

rene

Great, I finally found someone who listens to me....

Shadow Wizard

@Andy wait until Friday. ;)

Andy

But that's so far away.

rene

We should all move to iceland

AstroCB

14:03

yesterday, by AstroCB

You guys are going to love this.

yesterday, by AstroCB

Shadow Wizard

@rene but only on Friday, it's so cold in there that time itself freeze.

AstroCB

@InfiniteRecursion This started it all:

Apr 5 at 22:18, by Braiam

must flood with xkcd comics

Infinite Recursion

@uni This was a few messages below Jan's summon ping chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/89?m=3333018#3333018

AstroCB

Then, there was this:

xkcd Tavern Takeover

Apr 10 at 7:31, 1 hour 19 minutes total – 309 messages, 17 users, 1 star

Bookmarked Apr 10 at 8:59 by AstroCB

Unihedro

@InfiniteRecursion I realized - I wasn't remembering well, sowwy :p

Infinite Recursion

14:06

:)

Sterling Archer

14:16

Mornin tavern

rene

UGT

SmokeDetector

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Infinite Recursion

Is this NAA? meta.stackoverflow.com/a/269702/2982225

rene

@InfiniteRecursion yes, it is (a little bit of) a rant or a new question, not an answer

bjb568 is lowercase

@tchrist doesn't help

Infinite Recursion

14:24

Thanks rene. Flagged.

AstroCB

@bjb568islowercase Just pretend that it's reddit.

Andy

@AstroCB I will hunt you down...

...and show you that reddit is gestures to the left way over there.

bjb568 is lowercase

@AstroCB would leave reddit if it were that awful

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu still needs flags

SmokeDetector

@pizza Blacklisted user.

Shadow Wizard

14:32

spam eaten

rene

...burp...

2

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: ping error two nic cards in linux pc by user2709737 on superuser.com

Unihedro

The bite of '15

Infinite Recursion

Yeah I know that's not the duty of a moderator but here is where moderator can be involved, who has domain knowledge of that particular area! — Paresh Mayani 2 hours ago

o_O

user259867

@ShadowWizard The official list of regular users is here.

Unihedro

14:40

@InfiniteRecursion Wow, I'm surprised they even made it into secondary

user259867

There are 10... including you.

Unihedro

@pizza bjb, Tim, Jan, hichris, Inf, Bart & rene!

and me!

... including Shadow, who you mentioned, and you yourself :p

Shadow Wizard

@pizza ha! good catch. But isn't it based on raw amount of messages?

Infinite Recursion

@Unihedro So am I. A mod candidate with so much rep should have some basic understanding of site moderation.

BJB is a regular user.

PeterJ

spam: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/253949/…

ASCIIThenANSI

14:45

You know what we need? A random question button.

SmokeDetector

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user259867

@ShadowWizard number, not amount... and no, it emphasizes recent activity over the all-time total. I don't have as many messages as some old-timers, for example.

ASCIIThenANSI

You would go to the random question page, select filters (unanswered, specific tags, new, etc.) and then begin answering questions.

Shadow Wizard

@pizza interesting. So yeah, guess it can be used. :)

@ASCIIThenANSI not really. You will begin hitting the "Skip/Next Question" harder and harder until you'll give up.

46

Q: Random question button

Wikipedia has a "Random article" link on the front page that makes it easy for people to start exploring. It would be interesting to have something similar fro SO, perhaps with an additional (optional) constraint for "unanswered" questions. This might help eventually provide some attention to lon...

ASCIIThenANSI

@ShadowWizard Perfect. Thanks!

Infinite Recursion

14:50

@Tim - I screw up, I fix up. Fast ;) — Oded ♦ 45 mins ago

Shadow Wizard

@InfiniteRecursion hmm... wonder if it triggered a ping to Tim Stone? ;)

can be funny if it did...

Infinite Recursion

:D

Shadow Wizard

Which reminds me, why Tim Post left the Tavern? :(

Unihedro

cuz work life enjoyment busy

Infinite Recursion

Anna also left :(

Shadow Wizard

14:56

oh my, that's right! At least we still have @Oded ;)

Unihedro

inb4 SE team flies in

Shadow Wizard

Can anyone onebox a comment where someone replies to me? Curious to test my above assumption :)

user259867

8 mins ago, by ASCIIThenANSI

@ShadowWizard Perfect. Thanks!

Unihedro

I can't find a comment where someone replies to you.

That's a message not a comment :p

Shadow Wizard

grr

user259867

14:58

@ShadowWizard If you're thinking of pings, then no -- it won't.

Infinite Recursion

Nov 3 '14 at 9:06, by Jan Dvorak

@ShadowWizard ?

Unihedro

With a useless button re-added? Good @Sha, assure me that I yet may change these shadows you have shown me, by an altered life... I will honor Christmas in my heart, and try to keep it all the year! — Shog9 ♦ Nov 14 '13 at 22:48

Shadow Wizard

@pizza yeah, weird. Wonder how they prevent ping in such case?

Unihedro

42 secs ago, by Unihedro

That's a message not a comment :p

Shadow Wizard

wait...

user259867

14:59

@ShadowWizard They don't have to do anything to prevent them. Pings are based on the content of the entered message. The onebox is something else, added by the system.

Shadow of the Shadow

@ShadowWizard He was waiting until someone noticed to show off his speed :P — Tim 52 mins ago

Shadow Wizard

@Uni this is a oneboxed comment, thought it might be different from oneboxed chat message :(

Oh well, no pings for me

GnomeSlice

15:13

@Unihedro metatronaut.bandcamp.com/album/waveform-warrior

Unihedro

@GnomeSlice splendid!

SmokeDetector

15:26

[ SmokeDetector ] Nested quote blocks in body: How to understand the definition of weak convergence of stochastic processes by user214418 on math.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp edited

SmokeDetector

@pizza Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: AIRPORT TRANSIT VISA by Appiah23 on travel.stackexchange.com

Infinite Recursion

> We looked at what Triage was feeding the helper queue, and this led to us realizing we needed to get better as far as feeding Triage. tl;dr; you shouldn't see as many of these in the coming weeks.

SmokeDetector

15:45

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user, email in answer: How to transfer money to an account on Cyprus as quick as possible by mk welcome on money.stackexchange.com

Unihedro

We delete spam very quickly here. Might as well cross this site off your list. — Chris W. Rea 2 mins ago

rofl

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@Unihedro Blacklisted user.

Infinite Recursion

A roomba question for @pizza: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/290873/…

rene

If the answer is yes, next post is a bug report?

SmokeDetector

16:04

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rene

Steve Kerr to Jordan I'm lost in translation

@SmokeDetector fpu

SmokeDetector

@rene Registered question as false positive, whitelisted user and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Unihedro

How does someone contact me from my Stack Overflow Careers post?

Eh, never mind, too much to worry.

gunr2171

We delete spam very quickly here. Might as well cross this site off your list. — Chris W. Rea 35 mins ago

35 minutes ago....

Unihedro

16:19

:D

SmokeDetector

16:38

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PROGRAMMING HELP by user175285 on programmers.stackexchange.com

Undo

16:51

cv-plz too-broad stackoverflow.com/q/29753779/1849664

user259867

@InfiniteRecursion Thanks, answered.

Undo

!!/so2015

SmokeDetector

@Undo Yay for the 2015 Stack Overflow Moderator Election! Election voting ends in 1 day, 3 hours, 7 minutes and 37 seconds.

ProgramFOX

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/29753925/…

Undo

17:07

@ProgramFOX closed

ProgramFOX

thanks

pacoverflow

They definitely need a lot more mods on SO. I flagged a bunch of posts recently and most of those flags expired.

rene

what kind of flags?

pacoverflow

off-topic flags

Undo

Some flags simply don't go to mods

Like off-topic ones

pacoverflow

17:19

ah, ok

Shog9

@pacoverflow you appear to have searched for "is there a library" and flagged indiscriminately; 30% success rate ain't too bad in that context.

2

Mooseman

> Whoa! Google Chrome has crashed.

pacoverflow

@Shog9 Yeah I had a library question closed as off-topic, so I figured I'd help out the community and try to close similar questions :)

Shog9

realistically, these questions are problems when the answers are one or more of:
- out of date
- spam

otherwise, closing them tends to just be a waste of time

rene

@pacoverflow You can always ask the close vote room to help if those are in a specific tag

Shog9

17:22

we try to encourage new askers to formulate an actual problem statement instead of just asking for a library, because those questions are more resistant to bad answers... But old ones are either problems or ignored.

rene

There was an huge looking for clean up

Mooseman

Bad audit: stackoverflow.com/review/triage/7761829

ProgramFOX

I edited that Q a bit.

Mooseman

17:46

Robocalls and roboreviewers both need to be burned. At least human telemarketers I can yell at.

2

Undo

17:59

@SmokeDetector fp, I think

SmokeDetector

@Undo Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Unihedro

@Mooseman: I do agree that we don't have a way to yell at bad reviewers. I find it annoying that they ignore my room invitations, so now I just flag unless it's really minor.

Mooseman

@Unihedro This is why we should be mods...

Unihedro

You're already a mod.

Minus the diamond.

Nice fursuit: furbuy.com/auctions/1068974.html

Mooseman

@Unihedro xD

Unihedro

18:16

~_~zZZ

Infinite Recursion

So why the downvotes? Trying to kill my progress towards Convention? — Cyberherbalist 26 mins ago

:D

Mooseman

@Rook Health SE will have its own set of challenges. That's unrelated to the question at hand. The fact that a little knowledge can be dangerous is very true. But I don't think we should assume that every user is a brainless monkey that automatically takes the accepted answer as fact. — Mooseman 2 mins ago

Louis

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/29662279/…

Undo

> You voted to close this question Apr 15 at 23:18

Infinite Recursion

> I voted to close this question...now.

Conspicuous Compiler

18:30

If you want to reduce robo-reviewers, hit them where it counts, in the carrot. They're doing it to increase their review count, so drop the number of reviews they're allowed to do in a day if their false-positive/false-negative rate is outside of a desire threshold.

Unihedro

too complicated

software change -> expensive -> uneconomical -> not gonna happen soon

Conspicuous Compiler

More complicated than having to talk person-to-person to each person who does a bad job reviewing?

Infinite Recursion

^ Why is uni awake? :O

15 mins ago, by Unihedro

~_~zZZ

Unihedro

im not

Infinite Recursion

u r awake

Unihedro

18:32

no

TCMP

Conspicuous Compiler

Just sleep typing.

Unihedro

A big obstacle in experimenting with the mind's dream-simulation-engine is holding onto the details as you wake up. With TCMP you can bring back any information you want.

Conspicuous Compiler

And here I was going to reference Flatliners, but thought it was too obscure. I'll never worry about that particular risk again.

Unihedro

rofl

Mooseman

> Page generated in 0.0096 seconds.

Microtime in PHP works well

Unihedro

18:37

slow

use node

i can't anymore

Infinite Recursion

sleep is healthy

Mooseman

@Unihedro can't for this project, although I do have another project in the works which I plan to build on node.

Undo

@SmokeDetector fp

Conspicuous Compiler

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@Undo Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Infinite Recursion

18:41

...Smokey ignores the compiler...

2

Conspicuous Compiler

A sign of good taste.

2

Mooseman

Tsk tsk:

0

A: HTML select drop-down plugin with an open text input field

You can use input text with "list" attribute, which refers to the datalist of values. http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_input_list.asp

Conspicuous Compiler

Wouldn't that question just be closed as OT today for asking for a library?

Undo

@ConspicuousCompiler yes

Conspicuous Compiler

Kind of unfortunate because, by not being closed, the answers helped OP.

Infinite Recursion

18:58

^ needs one more cv

Travis J

Is this meta comment over the top? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/290820/…

bjb568 is lowercase

Wow, my computer's at 35˚C because I left minimetro (a flash game) on and paused overnight and while I was at skewl.

Jason C

@Mooseman Or you could just take the 5 seconds to edit it.

Travis J

@JasonC - I was bummed I didn't get to vote for you =/ Next year perhaps :)

Mooseman

@JasonC Good point. I just removed the w3schools link btw.

Jason C

19:08

@Mooseman You also removed the attribution for the source of that example.

@TravisJ Definitely, the tavern party needs to step up the game next year.

Mooseman

status-completed

Travis J

Wow, I didn't realize there was a list attribute like that.

dsolimano

@TravisJ I was just wondering if I should flag that for . . . something. Some deep breaths need to be taken, I think.

2

Mooseman

@TravisJ Not quite safe to rely on I'm aftraid. caniuse.com/#feat=datalist

Travis J

@dsolimano - Yeah, it seems to have gotten rather involved. Although, I think most OPs get a little flustered when they reach -30 on a question.

@Mooseman - Hmm, good point. I dropped support for ie8, but ie9 still needs to work

And the iphone too

Mooseman

19:12

@TravisJ I'm sure there are polyfills.

Travis J

There are always polyfills :D

Mooseman

:D

2

Jason C

> This is not my idea of "service".

SmokeDetector

19:25

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user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu spam

SmokeDetector

@pizza Blacklisted user.

xkcdBot

I have returned.

AstroCB

!xkcd latest

xkcdBot

The flood of PermaCalNTP leap-second notifications was bad enough, but when people started asking for millisecond resolution, the resulting DDOS brought down the internet.

2

Conspicuous Compiler

19:37

But Sunday was the 19th.

bjb568

Which sunday?

All days have sun.

SmokeDetector

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user259867

@bjb568 Not around here...

bjb568

flagged spam for papyrus

@pizza move to CA

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu spam

SmokeDetector

19:39

@pizza Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

AstroCB

Does anyone in here have an opinion of internet filtering in public schools that they'd be willing to share in the form of an interview within a chat room?

Shog9

@AstroCB sure

hichris123

Eeek I can close/reopen meta questions. Better go place a bounty.

AstroCB

@Shog9 Really?

Infinite Recursion

Somebody star-trolled...

Undo

19:43

@AstroCB YES

Shog9

@AstroCB "Kids in public schools should be accessing the Internet via VT100 terminals and Lynx. This provides all the filtering they need."

AstroCB

That's genius.

Undo

(seriously, I do :P)

bjb568

@AstroCB IT VIOLATES MY FUNDAMENTAL KITTEH RIGHTS!

Infinite Recursion

BJB loves UPPERCASE

bjb568

19:44

no

Infinite Recursion

Dec 24 '14 at 17:23, by bjb568

YESH

bjb568

:p

Jason C

@AstroCB Yes. "Sterilize sh*tty parents. Use their children as slaves. Internet filtering will no longer be necessary."

bjb568

huh?

Infinite Recursion

cv-pls rec-books stackoverflow.com/questions/29756778/…

That tag <facepalm>

Andy

19:49

@AstroCB Just curious, what's the purpose of the interview? I'm guessing a report, but how does "interview with random internet person" provide you with anything other than a quote to utilize?

AstroCB

@Andy I'm compiling a list of sources for a school project from which a person can take information and synthesize an argument; one of those sources is an interview.

hichris123

@InfiniteRecursion Did the question have a facepalm tag? :P

Infinite Recursion

:p

AstroCB

Web Filtering in Public Schools

A room for an interview on the subject of web filtering.

Feel free to drop an opinion in there if you have one.

Lamart

Hi

Mooseman

20:01

Hi

rene

Hi

vaultah

Hi

Conspicuous Compiler

Hydrogen Iodine

Lamart

When I paste a link of another meta question why does it change automatically to its title?

@ConspicuousCompiler HI :)

Conspicuous Compiler

@Lamart: It's intended to make it easier to see what you're linking to. If you want to link just the URL for some reason you can do [http://foo.example.com](foo.example.com)

Lamart

20:06

@ConspicuousCompiler Thank you.

@ShadowWizard Can we chat here?

AstroCB

@bjb I feel like this filtering conversation needs some of your zealous utterances. They happen to make for very good out-of-context quotes.

Lamart

Why is Shog9 called big-boss of all moderators? Who is he actually?

9

Mooseman

@Lamart Mr. Shog works for Stack Exchange

Undo

@Lamart He's a community manager for Stack Exchange, his team and peers 'moderate the moderators', I.e. keep us in check

Lamart

Okay. Thanks

Shadow Wizard

20:23

@Lamart kind of, might need to go without much notice.

Now waiting for cache to reload and I'll take screenshots.

@Undo as far as I know, he's the manager of the Community Managers.

Undo

I thought that was Robert

Lamart

@ShadowWizard It got sorted out in those comments :)

Anonymous

> Josh "Shog9" Heyer, Stack Overflow user #811, has overall responsibility for Q&A quality and will be the public face of the company on metas. As such he's the closest we have to an "ultimate authority". Since he's usually right, I recommend listening to him.

Anonymous

as of a few years ago.

Shadow Wizard

@Undo maybe he's the formal, but from what I see Shog is the actual manager

rene

20:28

Who needs a formal manager. One actual is enough to deal with...

Lamart

Now who is Robert?

Undo

Robert Cartaino

Robert Cartaino ♦, Palm Bay, FL

13.1k 1 8 11

feature-request discussion close-reasons tags tooltips winterbash advertising

Community Development, Community Growth, QA Quality... so many teams

pacoverflow

QA Quality? Weird, since I read that SE has no QA employees

rene

QA Quality is the quality of questions and answers, not Quality Assurance, that is where meta is for

pacoverflow

ah, misinterpreted that

rene

20:32

I'm joking, as always...

durron597

If I am out of close votes and I make a comment that says "Possible duplicate of [question]" does that put it into the CV queue (without a vote from me)?

pacoverflow

LOL

3ventic

Quality Assurance Quality would be a bit weird.

rene

@durron597 That would be a nice feature

And it might trick one or two to actually cast a close vote

3ventic

It is pretty likely to cause another reader to actually cast a close vote

even if it doesn't put the question in the queue

durron597

20:36

Well,

0

Q: Allow marking questions as duplicate even when out of close votes

Now that we have a great UI for allowing people to close their own questions as duplicates, I think we should be able to offer that UI to people even if we are out of close votes. Proposal: if out of close votes, if you click close, allow the user to choose the "duplicate" close reason. This wil...

feature-request vote-to-close exact-duplicates

rene

@durron597 I'm not sure If the unrestricted nature of that proposal will get the support of SE. Maybe you can add such an restriction by coupling it with the number of flags you have left?

To prevent that it gets abused beyond daily limits

durron597

@rene Feel free to suggest that in a comment or an answer

@pizza responded via edit

user259867

@Undo Is there a separate QA quality team? I think it's a project, carried forward by both CoGro team and developers, with involvement from the very top.

Anna Lear

20:53

@pizza Sort of. It's a long term cross-team project with people from CoGro and dev on it that has a "team lead", which is more or less how we organize most of our stuff.

Jason C

@SmokeDetector fpu

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@JasonC Registered question as false positive, whitelisted user and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

@pizza Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

user259867

Interdisciplinary projects are great!

user259867

Replace the pendulums with history students and you'll qualify for a grant!

3

user259867

20:57

^ I think this aptly describes the current state of the QA project, at least the Triage/HIQ part of it.

durron597

@Undo could you add @SmokeDetector's commands to it's MSE profile?

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