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rene

20:01

@jadarnel27 You really need those partials to be wrapped in their own form tag?

jadarnel27

@rene Well... need is a strong word.

I'm mostly just curious about the behavior.

I realize that's probably not a very common (or useful) scenario.

rene

Ok, a conscious design decision

It you provide different routes it makes sense...

jadarnel27

Yes, it would make sense if that were so haha.

I was just writing something quick and dirty that would display all records from a table. Each record is a partial view. And I can do an ajax post for each record to update it (and the contents of the partial is replace by the response).

So I was wrapping each partial in a form to make the ajax post really simple.

(because you just post the form that triggered the Ajax call)

rene

That sounds great on the whiteboard

jadarnel27

Right?

In practice, though...

rene

20:23

Did you try RenderPartial as well?

Anna Lear

@rene I got the same behaviour by putting the form tag outside the foreach.

rene

@AnnaLear with calling Partial or RenderPartial?

Anna Lear

@Html.Partial is (should be?) equivalent to @{ Html.RenderPartial }

I forget which one I did. Partial, I think

rene

Yeah that is correct but I suspect the razor engine doesn't generate the correct code if you see those weird out-of-order results...

jadarnel27

21:02

If I remember correctly, I tried both. With the same result.

user163250

21:16

Anyone ever want to squirt their coworkers as punishment for annoying behavior?

user163250

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A: How to handle co-worker's leg shaking?

Here are a couple of things you could do: 1) Try punishment to change thier behavior! Get a squirt bottle and spray him/her whenever they start shaking thier legs, 2) Find out the one thing they love most in thier life and destroy it. Then use thier vulnerability from the sorrow and horror to b...

Jamal

Trololol

animuson

Option 1 reminds me of Sheldon Cooper.

user163250

> Find out the one thing they love most in thier life and destroy it. Then use thier vulnerability from the sorrow and horror to befriend them. Finally, when they've become fully invested in you as a friend, crush them by abrubtly and rudely breaking off the friendship and tell them that you can't be friends with the kind of person who would shake thier leg at their desk.

user163250

It's a good thing this is all Creative Commons.

user163250

21:20

We can at least save this stuff and repost it somewhere else.

user163250

> Wait until they are leaving the office and hit them with your car. Then (putting on a hockey mask or other disguise) take a baseball bat and break both of thier legs.

Jamal

I was wondering how he got all that rep in one day, until I saw the association bonus.

user163250

I'm sure this wasn't meant as a pure troll answer, but the attempt at making a good humorous answer seems to be failing.

user163250

@Jamal ah, that explains a lot.

user163250

> Kidnap one of thier loved-ones. Put a guillotine-necklace around thier loved one's neck and release them miles from home in the woods (deserts work too). Call them using a voice-disguiser and tell them where thier loved-one is, and tell them the guillotine will be set off if they ever shake thier legs again. Wait a week and set it off anyway.

Jamal

21:24

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24833960/…

user163250

I liked the first one or two joke answers.

animuson

shakes his leg a lot while at work

user163250

The rest get progressively less tasteful.

Braiam

this review doesn't load for me stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/5333219, anyone?

user163250

@Braiam loads. Two people said Looks Good.

Jamal

21:29

I think postmodern irony works very poorly indeed on a multi-cultural system with global distribution. Please consider deleting this answer. — Ollie Jones 2 mins ago

Braiam

note to self: having the partition where firefox profile resides filled full, makes SE wonky

bjb568

Hey... aren't "use jQuery" answers "overly promotional" of jQuery? Can they be flagged as spam? Eg: stackoverflow.com/a/2235966/2888561

user163250

21:44

@bjb568 that was a joke, right?

bjb568

I know the answer is no, but they do seem to meet spam criteria.

Jamal

Does this answer need to stay? It has already been edited into a much earlier answer, which has more detail.

bjb568

No. Flagged.

Jamal

A moderator rejected that one, even with the same explanation mentioned just now. I've even checked the links.

hichris123

21:58

@Pops Nooo! You misunderstood! I was talking about the employee who declined the flag, not you!

(besides, I'm not an employee, so...)

Jamal

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/21683631/…

Pops

@hichris123 Well, then, I'm angry on my co-worker's behalf. That message is too old for me to go back and read the context, dangit!

hichris123

@Pops Well, you have to admit it was a valid flag... ;P

Oh, and there's a capitalization error on the We're hiring page.

user202362

going for a 9 hour hiking/bushwalking ... kind of need it because I have not exercised much in the previous 3-4 days ...

Pops

All joking aside, I really didn't know that you were talking about a flag. I only showed up because of the ping and read the transcript wrong (in my defense, it's ambiguous). I have no idea what the flag in question is.

@hichris123 D'oh. Where at? Page is too big for me to spot it easily.

hichris123

22:05

> New york
NEW YORK

You guys don't capitalize the York in the city, but you capitalize the York in the state?

@Pops Oh, it's just a chatflag. Nothing big.

Pops

It, uh, symbolizes the fact that the city is geographically inferior to the state?

Good catch, I'll pass it on.

HEY @ANNA THERE'S A THING FOR YOU TO DO

And on it has been passed.

hichris123

Okay, good. I was worried about being 's'ed on Meta.

Anna Lear

say wha?

bjb568

@Jamal Gone

Pops

@AnnaLear Typo on the hiring page. Lowercase "york" in the "Work from where you want" city list.

rene

22:08

@chmod711telkitty Have fun!

bjb568

2 hours ago, by bjb568

bug "Nominate this proposal for reopening?" after pushing reopen on an example question on area 51

Anna Lear

@hichris123 that needs a capitalized Y... NEW YORK, COLORADO, and UK are all in caps intentionally

Pops

Pretty sure he was just trying to make a funny, about the all-majuscule states.

Anna Lear

(oh, and the fix is rolling out now)

bjb568

"he was just trying to make a funny" Right.

What about my bug?

Anna Lear

22:19

@bjb568 lol Area 51

report it on meta somewhere... I'll look later. I don't hate myself enough to touch Area 51 on a Friday night.

bjb568

Shog says a51 uses 5-years out of date code.

@AnnaLear If I wasn't question banned on MSE, I would.

Anna Lear

@bjb568 To Area 51 Discuss!

bjb568

Is that like a meta or something... a51 is confusing.

Anna Lear

It's exactly like a meta.

I have very little sympathy for q-bans on MSE. They're harder to get... and MSE is probably the one site where you could conceivably recover over time.

In theory you can recover on any site, but it's harder depending on what how you got blocked in the first place.

bjb568

In practice, you can't. Ever.

Anna Lear

22:22

Only one of us knows the algorithm and it's definitely possible. ;)

bjb568

It's been forever (6 months) and I've gained 800 rep since...

Anna Lear

I didn't say it'd be easy.

On that note, Friday night time. Later, y'all.

bjb568

Oh, that's nice, you go to a hidden discussion zone on a site with an alien theme that isn't related to aliens to find a meta... tag. discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/…

People use y'all? Wowee.

Anna Lear

Area 51 is eleventy billion kinds of crazy.

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rene

@hichris123 Why is the closegraph.php borked in Zoom mode?

bjb568

22:26

At least the no-contrast dup box found a dup. discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/q/9258/108302

Jamal

@AnnaLear I'm still waiting for Pastafarianism to become a site.

bjb568

Me too.

Shog9

Some of us take the occasional time-out from expressing our opinions to help others learn to use the site effectively, @Trilarion. Helping your comrades is an excellent way to avoid ostracization. Incidentally, when someone on meta tells me I should be doing more to help new users I always check their profile - if they haven't touched the support tag, I laugh at their hypocrisy and move on. — Shog9 ♦ 8 hours ago

If you're complaining about a meta q-ban and you don't have [support] in your top tags... STFU and go help people.

bjb568

That's nice...

Nevermind that support is one of the hardest tags since everybody knows the answer and all the questions can be asked are asked and answered.

Nevermind that when I'm writing a bug report I'm doing it in the interest of SE.

Shog9

Yeah, there are like no unanswered support questions. Within a rounding error.

Seriously though, I get notified of every question asked on meta. I know what's there.

bjb568

22:40

Those ones aren't really answerable by me.

Shog9

Sounds like... Opportunity!

bjb568

"FAQ for Stack Exchange sites" Hell no. "Stack Exchange Blogs Compromised and Passwords Reset" How is this support? Or a question? "Does Stack Overflow track how many times a new question is almost created?" I dunno, does it matter? "My accepted answer was deleted, didn't match FAQs" Already status-complete.

Shog9

Well, that's four out of 1325...

bjb568

From the bottom: "I can't log into my StackOverflow account and had to create another" Not for meta. "Is it ok to copy&paste a comment linking to another meta discussion more than once?" Obviously yes, resolved in comments. "Stack Overflow Refreshes when Composing Answer" Wut? IE8? Hell no. "Broken CSS after I ask a question" That's a bug. "Can I merge stackoverflow accounts?" Agh! Not again!

Shog9

You know what a question answered in the comments is? FREE ANSWER!

bjb568

22:46

Oh, ok.

Shog9

90% of everything I know about SE - and programming, and most everything else - I learned trying to help others.

bjb568

@Shog9 Trivial answer converted to comment.

Shog9

BE LESS LAZY

bjb568

How can I write a better answer? The answer, as detailed as it can reasonably be (i.e. not detailed) is already provided in a comment. It's 200 chars.

hichris123

@rene ... because I don't care too much about it? ;P

nah, not really.

SSCCE?

Shog9

22:54

If I can stretch "It's just you." into thirteen hundred characters, you can stretch a comment into 400.

user163250

@Shog9 oooh, sick burn Shog!

bjb568

Recent: "Job I posted listed at multiple companies" Not a support question. "Close Vote review thresholds" Not a dev, I dunno. "List off-topic sub-topics in flag posts documentation" Sounds like a feature-request. "Can't logout from Stack Exchange" Yes, the logout (and in) system in crap. Meta knows. We've heard about it before.

@Shog9 Oh kay, I'll write some fluff. I don't see how this is a positive contribution tho.

Shog9

@bjb568 are you helping someone?

@bjb568 yes, the login/logout system is crap. Folks still have to use it. Half of our support duties here are helping folks work around the crappy login system.

bjb568

@Shog9 I'm writing fluff to make the answer work to use the "free answer" when the solution is in the comments.

@Shog9 fixitfixitfixit

Shog9

@bjb568 that's what @Anna Lear is working on. Because Area51 wasn't soul-sucking enough.

bjb568

22:59

@Shog9 Most stuff about login is already solved. If people would search...

Shog9

people don't.

bjb568

@Shog9 How hard can it be? O.O Ahh, c#.

Shog9

nobody reads manuals, nobody reads FAQs, and nobody reads tutorials

Anna Lear

@bjb568 hahahahaha the language isn't the problem.

Shog9

Except for you. You should read them all. So you can answer those support questions from folks who don't.

hichris123

23:01

A51 is... an aging codebase with problems.

Oh, @AnnaLear want another bug on A51? :D

Anna Lear

@Shog9 yeah, well... sort of. I'm just doing some code clean-up/hopefully making sure account recovery doesn't suck at the end of that. More fundamental changes are on hold pending future work on a global login system. Which may or may not happen this year.

@hichris123 not unless it's reported somewhere I don't have to keep track of manually (hint: meta)

hichris123

@AnnaLear Yeah, it's been on meta for... a month? Three? I'm not sure.

Anna Lear

link me

bjb568

@AnnaLear Whoa, a global login. We've only been waiting for that since 2008.

hichris123

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Q: I don't want to look at my reputation on A51, but the topbar makes me!

Whenever I click on my profile picture on Area 51 itself (not meta), I get directed to my reputation page on Area 51. Can someone please tell the topbar that I don't care about my Area 51 rep, and that I care more about the proposals I'm committed to?

Anna Lear

23:03

status-bydesign

sec, I'm digging up a reference

Shog9

@bjb568 2009. Get it right, newb!

bjb568

Well, un-design it.

@Shog9 Hey, 2008 is only 0 away from 2009.

hichris123

@bjb568 Yeah. :P

ok, thanks Anna.

bjb568

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A: Is it ok to copy&paste a comment linking to another meta discussion more than once?

As long as a comment makes sense in the thread, it doesn't matter whether it's posted on other questions. Copy-pasting a comment is particularly helpful in dealing with off-topic posts, in the LQRQ there are even generic auto-comments. (this answer is basically ChrisF's comment)

Shadow Wizard

@Bart just your mature and highly wise attitude of course :D

Bart

23:33

Of course ...

bjb568

You definitely don't sound old or farty.

Shog9

it's hard to overstate the advantages of communicating via the Internet

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user163250

If someone just copies an entire external resource and uses that as their answer, without putting anything into their own words or summarizing relevant points and stuff like that...does that make their answer eligible for deletion?

user163250

The external resource, in this case, is someone else's personal programming blog.

user163250

The amount of copying I'm talking about is like pages worth of entire classes, verbatim.

Anna Lear

23:43

Erm. Link?

3ventic

Anyone on linux/mac os x here?

user163250

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A: How to show sliding menu & fragment of selected option In same activity?

Try this code from Android Hive, Android Sliding Menu using Navigation Drawer, by Ravi Tamada: NavDrawerItem.java public class NavDrawerItem { private String title; private int icon; private String count = "0"; // boolean to set visiblity of the counter private boolean i...