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@bjb568 gracias

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cv-pls tool stackoverflow.com/questions/2334458/…

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12:46 AM

cv-pls tool stackoverflow.com/questions/20482298/…

@Cupcake This one seems more Unclear. I VLQ'd one answer and NAA'd the other.

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@bjb568 mmm, hard to fault newbies for answering crap questions...they don't know any better yet.

Whoever's fault it is, DELETEDELETEDELETE!

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1:01 AM

cv-pls tool stackoverflow.com/questions/4776877/…

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@bjb568 deleting the question is sufficient.

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You don't want high-rep users wasting delete votes on answers when the whole question itself can be deleted.

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You only get 15 delete votes per day when you hit 20k.

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I end burning through most of mine by deleting answers in the VLQ queue.

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I only have 2 left today, I'm saving them for really really bad posts.

1:04 AM

@Cupcake Nobody ever deletes questions. Deleting answers might get Community to do it sometime in the next 10 years if there aren't more crap answers posted.

@Cupcake Feature-request a raise.

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@bjb568 what makes you say that no one deletes questions? Users do it all the time.

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cv-pls needs errors: stackoverflow.com/questions/24791323/…

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@bjb568 I don't know, I have a feeling that it will get shot down :P

@Cupcake When I VLQ questions, I want them deleted. They... aren't.

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@bjb568 there's actually a discussion about that sitting around on MSO or MSE.

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1:13 AM

VLQ flagging questions is problematic.

@Cupcake done

@Cupcake You need a raise.

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But trust me, high-rep users are deleting questions all the time.

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cv-pls too broad stackoverflow.com/questions/24792992/…

There's way too much crap for too few users to delete.

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@bjb568 gracias

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1:14 AM

That's why there's a roomba system to help out.

And you need to close and wait 2 (?) days to delete.

@Cupcake Too many crap answers preventing that from properly working.

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When you're 20k, you can vote to delete immediately after a close if the question is at -3 or lower.

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That's why it's important to downvote bad questions.

Q: Around how many questions get deleted in Stack Exchange and by who?

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Someone argued with me that people in the SE network don't try to delete stuff actively (voting to delete) and leave that work to the Community user. I'm not convinced. So... I would like some stats about how much stuff gets deleted by 10kers network wide by sites. Extra points if: Include the...

2

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To help 20k+ users to insta-delete the worst of the worst.

1:16 AM

So OP to post, 3 people to downvote, 5 people to closevote, 1 person to bring it to attention of the del voters, 3 people to delvote.

Seems inefficient.

@bjb568 actually there's enough overlapping

Still, too many!

you need a minimum of 5 users to delete a question

3 that downvote can also vtc, and vtd, the other 2 are the wildcards

if there's one with gold badge in the tag then the number is trimmed to 3

I think there shouldn't have to be 5 people to close a question. I think the rep threshold is too high for delete voting. I think there should be a recommend deletion flag.

@Braiam Crap usually is too bad to be able to be dup-closed.

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I think the rep threshold for delete voting is plenty high.

1:19 AM

10k?

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That's plenty high.

5k people can't do anything.

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I've seen 20k+ users delete stuff too quickly.

There is no such thing as deleting things too quickly! :P

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Great Power must come with Great Responsibility.

1:20 AM

While I'm complaining, I think 2k is too low for edit review, but 1.5k is enough to instant-apply edits.

@Cupcake s/Great/Shog/g

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cv-pls unclear or too broad, take your pick stackoverflow.com/questions/24792443/…

There should at least be a recommend deletion button for questions in the queue.

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Which queue?

VLQ

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1:24 AM

cv-pls needs code stackoverflow.com/questions/24793096/…

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@bjb568 I don't normally see questions show up in there.

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It's usually answers.

I see plenty...

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Also, remember, you want to delete responsibly.

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You want to give some users a few days to fix-up their questions before you pull the trigger.

1:25 AM

Meeeeh.

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cv-pls unclear. Or too broad. Take your pick stackoverflow.com/questions/24792832/…

I was always confused about closing. It's a big deal and makes a banner pop up and takes 5 people and stuff. But all it does is prevent answers. It still wastes peoples time and is very visible (you can usually get to them right before they're closed from, of course, the home page). The answers that sneak in before closing are horrible quality, but they are treated like gold and keep the question from being auto-deleted (too long) later.

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cv-pls needs code stackoverflow.com/questions/24793274/sql-recoverable-exception

I find it strange that closing does't do anything to current answers or much about visibility.

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I'm sure it's been discussed to death on MSO and MSE.

1:30 AM

Oh yeah, I made my own complaint of it on MSO (now MSE) which got received... totally positive.

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The review audits are getting better.

Yeah.

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I passed 3 of them in the past 20-30 minutes, but I never knew they were audits.

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It's always a big surprise to click on the link to a question and find that's it's already been closed.

Yeah.

More complaining: Closing a question should punish answerers, not just the asker. Downvoting answers to a closed question should be free and cost the answerer 5 rep, not 2. Answerers should be also warned answering a question with CVs.

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1:34 AM

Ok, so a few things about that.

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1. People who can see close votes are already aware that people are voting to close.

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Unless you want to make that information visible to all users.

It should be more visible. Like an actual button click in a scary warning, not just grey text.

I dunno about making it visible to everyone.

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2. Some experts just want to help people.

Which is destructive to the site sometimes.

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1:36 AM

You don't want to chase them away by pummeling them with downvotes just because they're super altruistic.

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I'll give you an example.

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VonC, France

411k 94 993 1106

git eclipse clearcase github java version-control svn

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He's currently ranked #6 for total rep on SO.

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He's most active in the Git tag.

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He has 26k+ points in it.

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1:38 AM

He answers everyone's questions.

Yeah.

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You don't want to put off an expert like that from participating on the site.

Looking thru the answers, almost none of them are to closed questions tho.

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VonC's top answers?

Lowest answers.

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1:40 AM

I'm sure there are closed questions in there.

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Also, Git doesn't get a lot of traffic, relatively speaking.

It's at most rare.

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There aren't as many people heavily moderating it like in more popular tags.

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I see a lot of duplicate questions pop up All. The. Time. in there.

Somebody with 411k rep can't care too much about rep, -5 for downvote on a closed question vs -2 shouldn't make much of a difference to him.

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1:42 AM

It's not just the rep loss.

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It's the fact that you're expressing disapproval of the fact that he was trying to help someone.

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That can be a big turn-off to people.

Well, making people be on the look-out for duplicates might be net positive.

Maybe make closed not count dups. Dups are the least bad of closed questions.

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cv-pls unclear stackoverflow.com/questions/24784280/…

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Wow, I'm getting hit with a lot of audits.

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1:49 AM

I just had like 2 or 3 within the past 5-7 minutes.

Wow.

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I passed all of them, but still...

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delete-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/24352427/learning-java-6-vs-java-7

Hm... another complaint is that making crap answers is rewarded with upvotes, but moderating them isn't. In fact it costs rep to downvote answers and commenting can lead to retaliation.

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cv-pls tool stackoverflow.com/questions/24790132/file-watcher-tool

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1:52 AM

@bjb568 how many close votes do you have left?

38

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Ah.

random

2:15 AM

@Cupcake And you'll often see a few users regularly answer all the duplicates rather than cast a duplicate close vote ever

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well, you still get reps on upvoted answers to duplicate questions so ...

random

So you get the same answer and same procedure posted on five different questions

And then you get users saying they're not duplicates because they're using a differently named variable or branch name

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cv-pls tool stackoverflow.com/questions/24612773/…

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cv-pls tool stackoverflow.com/questions/181855/…

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2:30 AM

cv-pls too broad stackoverflow.com/questions/2378402/jackson-vs-gson

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cv-pls tool stackoverflow.com/questions/24743452/looking-for-a-qpro4-viewer

@chmod711telkitty I think that should be removed.

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cv-pls too broad stackoverflow.com/questions/5881872/…

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cv-pls tool stackoverflow.com/questions/14094678/…

apache configuration is off topic, right?

2:37 AM

Yeah.

A: Getting data out of completionHandler in Swift in NSURLConnection

if it's just put this out of it's misery stackoverflow.com/q/17821501/792066

Undo

0

Let me try to explain this - it's a misunderstanding of threading, one I myself struggled with at first. I'm going to try to simplify things a little bit. When you run this code: NSLog("Log 1") NSURLConnection.sendAsynchronousRequest(request, queue: queue, completionHandler:{ (response: NSURLRe...

I resort to pictures.

is this a thing? stackoverflow.com/q/17004339/792066

Undo

@Braiam is what a thing? S3?

Vote to Close

spam-where-is-jan-when-you-need-him meta.stackexchange.com/questions/236660/…

Dear next person who capitalizes Git as "GIT", I will personally come to your house and bludgeon you to death with a tiny "i" and a "t". — Cupcake 1 min ago

2:39 AM

@Undo is tagged php, so apparently it's

@VotetoClose I almost read that link as jonskeetprofacts.com

ɥʇǝS

@VotetoClose burned.

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A: Are questions about webserver config files and rewrite rules on-topic?

It's always felt like a grey area in regards to Web server configuration files. I've had this question for a long time. System administrators do routinely setup and manage Web servers, and they're oftentimes quite skilled in managing their configuration, which is where this line of thinking comes...

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It's not entirely a clear-cut case that server configuration is off-topic for SO.

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Wow, @Doorknob was like, "Nope! I'm outta here!".

Undo

2:46 AM

gtg, cya folks.

@Braiam Ah! Misuse of contractions! This makes my head explode since I process things as sound. "It is a nice day" v "It is." If the first word has emphasis, contraction. Else, no contraction.

Vote to Close

@Cupcake it would be better if you said and bludgeon you to death with it ... that way it's more humurous

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@VotetoClose too late, 6 minutes, past the edit window. I don't want to repost the comment either.

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Well...

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Meh.

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2:50 AM

The first one already has upvotes.

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Next time...next time...

Vote to Close

yea, it's too late now

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/24777719/…

NAA'd the answer too.

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@bjb568 I disagree with that.

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2:59 AM

It was a legitimate answer to a crappy question.

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Don't waste people's time on deleting answers to questions that are going to be deleted themselves.

While we're NAAing...
http://stackoverflow.com/a/24794047/1950231

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There are worst answers that need to be deleted.

@Cupcake I really doubt it will be deleted.

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@Jamal WOW

3:01 AM

Wow.

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Someone link that guy to the MSO post on not contacting users offline.

And he created an account just to post that...

I'll just put the "best" NAAs here. :P If I put all of them, it'll take a while.

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Please see What do you do when someone calls you personally about an answer?. — Cupcake 40 secs ago

@Cupcake I... can't. I just can't.

I just can't even.

3:13 AM

@Cupcake I clicked the wrong bookmark :P

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@Doorknob I see...I thought it was because maybe we smell bad or something :P

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@Cupcake You do. ;P

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Anyone want to apply some downvotes to this answer?: stackoverflow.com/questions/820178/…

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@hichris123 I assure you, I smell of nothing other than vanilla and honey :P

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;p

3:16 AM

I like vanilla.

3:28 AM

SPAM stackoverflow.com/a/24794346

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@Jamal someone wasted a delete vote on that.

Ha

3:46 AM

Why's it still there?!

Well... going to bed now. 'Night

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4:09 AM

cv-pls tool stackoverflow.com/questions/24794050/…

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legoman519, Walnut Creek, CA

1 1

ios objective-c

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The profile on that user says he's 11.

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@AnnaLear should I flag a mod to have that account removed, or do I have to submit a report through the site contact form?

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Do you guys still suspend underage accounts until they're old enough to participate on the site?

@Cupcake I just pinged a CM in chat.

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4:20 AM

@Doorknob thanks.

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Still not clear on what the normal procedure for reporting this kind of thing is though.

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I guess I'll ask on Meta for future reference.

Jon Ericson

@Cupcake Nope. We destroy them. :-(

@Cupcake Raise a flag on one of their posts.

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@JonEricson ah, I see, thank you!

Jon Ericson

Or ~~email team@~~ use the contact us form. That's probably better.

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4:25 AM

Oh, ok.

SPAM stackoverflow.com/a/24794908

5:30 AM

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/16889411/…

Kill with fire stackoverflow.com/a/24795339/1223693

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SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/236665/ccna-security-notes