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3:16 AM
If you click on the pin on a pinned item in the right panel, it stars it and displays the star on top of the pin
 
 
3 hours later…
6:44 AM
@Michael - the pin is a hangover. Try a refresh. There is no pin ;p
if there is a pin, let me know...
 
@MarcGravell Oh, now it's the hollow star?
 
yes
combination of Jeff and Jin wisdom, there.
 
Also, you're probably aware, but one-boxing doesn't work for short links (stackoverflow.com/q/...)
 
@MarcGravell how's that hollow star going to play with the pending colour-blind-friendly-mod?
 
If somebody's color blindness causes them to confuse white and black, they're going to have deeper issues on the site than that star
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6:53 AM
True, I can't have been thinking straight, though I do remember there was an issue
I think it was when you always saw the star, even when it wasn't starred...
 
@MichaelMrozek @Benjol Do not lett @Lasse see this conversation. You may need to run and hide!
 
@Diago, well you mentioned him, so if he does notice, it'll be your fault ;)
 
@Benjol I am just the messenger. Causing havoc is my duty. I do it with pride I tell you, Pride!!!
@Benjol Also I have @MarcGravell to hide behind. Dad won't let anyone hurt me :P
 
@Diago, yeah, but I hear he has a big lump of wood for hitting naughty boys over the head...
 
@Benjol It just a rumour. He's a gentle soul really. Not an angry bone in his body. (hides)
 
7:07 AM
it is the angry cudgel in his hand you have to watch out for...
 
Anyways, we're nearly all at a safe distance from cudgels. We should fear /kill and /timeout more...
 
7:55 AM
ping
 
@badp pong
 
@Benjol SYN ACK
 
 
6 hours later…
2:20 PM
@balpha Very serious question. Is there anywhere that I can read up on how you guys got OneBox to work? Are you using the API and then formatting?
 
2:45 PM
@Diago which oneboxes specifically?
the SE question, answer and user oneboxes just use the public SE API
(including the styling information from stackauth)
wikipedia has a public API too
amazon has an api (not with anonymous access, though)
twitter has a public API
 
3:21 PM
Hey guys... the permalinks don't show the correct question in chat. You probably already know this
 
?
 
Go to a stackoverflow question and copy/paste the permalink here
 
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Q: Query to Database MySQL

WooCaShI need Yoour help: I want search from table how many users(id_uzy) makes reservation on example this week, next which hours they reserved (godzina[pl] -> hour[en]) and for this hours find all id_urz. Example: id_uzy->1->hour(9-10)-->id_urz(2,3,4) id_uzy->1->hour(10-11)-->id_urz(2,3,4) id_uzy-...

That's the one I pasted
 
0
A: Memory leaks in .NET

Mat Noguchi@Derek There is no effective difference between the two. Memory that is no longer useful, and remains uncollected is effectively leaked. That's true from that perspective, but if there is an actual leak that isn't based on properly making references go out of scope appropriately, that's fun...

 
Wait, why was the "pinned" icon changed from a pin to a something-other-than-a-pin?
 
3:24 PM
I think you did it wrong
 
@PopularDemand Yes, it's a hollow star
 
@MichaelMrozek Right, I got that in the Tavern, but my question is why.
 
@MichaelMrozek Go to an SO question and copy the 'link' url
 
What better icon could there be for a "pinned message" than a pin?
 
@PopularDemand a hallow star, duh!
 
3:28 PM
@JoePhillips Oh, right, the second number confuses it. There's a number after the question number for your user ID, so the system can track who posted a link for the Announcer badge, and it's showing the question that corresponds to that ID instead. That was reported a long time ago, I guess it's not fixed yet
 
Aha... interesting
 
 
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5:47 PM
@MichaelMrozek "that was reported a long time ago"? (somewhat working) support for /q/ URLs was only added 5 hours ago
 
Why does MSO have Announcer/Booster/Publicist badges? It's no public beta.
 
@balpha It's not unique to /q urls though, you can do stackoverflow.com/questions/123456/1 and get question 1 back. Unless you fixed that and it's only messed up for /q now. The bug with /questions was mentioned in here ages ago
It looks like it is fixed for /questions, so I guess it's a separate bug that looks the same
 
6:13 PM
Yesterday it was a pin instead of hollow star.
 
that's called "agile development" :)
 
If permalinks have borked, then blame me. Balpha did warn me it was a dodgy hack... I'll fix when I can (not at pc right now)
 
fixed already
 
He's good, folks - ta Ben.
 
/blame Marc
(;
 
6:27 PM
huhu
how to I follow a tag in a chatroom ?
 
@bitbonk "follow a tag"?
 
the rss feed for a tag?
 
I want to get instant updates in the chat room when a question with a certain tag is psoted
(on stackoverflow)
psoted = posted
I was told that this is possible
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A: Ticker for unanswered questions of my favorite tags

Bill the LizardThere are a couple of options for that. First, you could hook the RSS feed for a tag up to Twitter via a free service like TwitterFeed. Second you could create a room in chat that follows a tag and get instant updates in the chat room.

 
[you can edit, btw, no need for "psoted = posted" :) ]
besides that -- adding a feed to a chat room does nothing other than what a regular feed reader would do
 
how often does the feed update ?
how frequent
how do I add a feed to a chatroom ?
 
6:35 PM
@bitbonk AFAIK as fast as the home page
 
cool
I would like to add this as a feed to my room
 
@bitbonk if you're the owner of the room, you can do it on the "feeds" tab of the room info page
 
that view doesn't have a feed
 
yeah
what a pity
do I paste that exact link ?
 
6:43 PM
It wouldn't make sense to have a feed for the "unanswered" view, because there's no sensible way to add a chronology
 
I don't see any "extra area" in my room
 
paste the link to the feed itself
 
how do I get that feed in firefox
 
we don't have autodiscovery yet
 
Damn firefox can't tell me the url for that feed
 
6:45 PM
click the orange icon on the right side of the url bar
 
yes I did that
it gives me the feed as a extra view
 
Yeah, and that's the feed url
 
nope the adressbar still shows stackoverflow.com/feeds/tag/wpf
 
Note "feeds"
 
ouch, I so dumb
ok it works
its still not perfect but better than nothing
how long does the room stay alive when I leave
 
6:51 PM
see the "Will these rooms exist forever?" section on the bottom of the FAQ
 
the SE chat UI is the bestest WEB UI have seen so far
I still doubt that this whole chat thing will take off tho
 
thanks for the praise -- and re your doubts, we'll see; I do see good chances
but obviously none of us knows what's going to happen :)
 
one thing that'd be cool:
invite someone who just answered your question or commented on it to chat about it
to prevent further discussion in the comments
the UI for this should be as simple as possible
a single cklick
 
it's already possible to create a room for a specific question on the parent site
 
I know
 
6:57 PM
we're not sure yet how easy we should make it, but we're discussing this
 
but its not really a good experience
why doesn't this work:
it doesn't create a chatroom it seems
 
stackoverflow.com doesn't have a chat site yet
 
ah
shouldn't SO have been one of the first to get one ?
or have you been afraid of the traffic
since it is the most frequented site
 
chat.meta (this very one) is the first one, and kind of special (it's the "beta" version, and obviously meta.SO is special itself)
just today, we rolled out the first regular chat site
 
why serverflault ?
 
7:00 PM
well, you wouldn't want to start with the highest-volume site
 
true
 
and SF is the second-oldest site
 
do I need to have my room open to get feed updates ?
nothing happens in my room

WPF

everything WPF
 
@bitbonk Yes, they show up in a little window that appears at the top left of the room (the "ticker").
 
how long ago did you add the feed?
 
7:04 PM
15 Minutes
 
actually, it has already been queried
so there should be messages in the room
unless you had it set to "ticker feed" before
 
I set it to show up as regular chat messages
 
@bitbonk Sorry, I came in in the middle of the discussion, don't mind me....
 
@bitbonk from the beginning? and never changed that?
 
I changed it once
 
7:06 PM
okay then
just wait for the next wpf question to be asked
it will show up :)
 
will only new questions show up or also new answers ?
 
it will show whatever the feed gives it
which, in this case, is only questions
 
is the chat UI based on jquery ?
 
yeah, tons of it
 
and then some ;p
 
7:09 PM
and asp.net mvc 2 ?
 
yep
 
yes, but actually the .NET 4 upgrade was pretty late in the dev cycle
much to Jeff's chagrin
 
any experience with fubuMVC ?
@ba
@bal
are works diffrent that intellisense :)
I have to click
 
37 mins ago, by balpha
[you can edit, btw, no need for "psoted = posted" :) ]
@bitbonk you can also use tab
 
@balpha cool
@balpha are you a SE dev ?
 
7:12 PM
click my avatar :)
 
:)
@balpha have you played with fubuMVC ?
 
hmmmm - unicorn pie
 
still no ticker updates in chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/258/wpf
could it be that still noone asked a WPF question
 
maybe noone asked a new wpf question yet?
@bitbonk no
 
yeah looks like it
 
7:15 PM
I'm new to .NET, and started with ASP.NET MVC 2
 
@bitbonk - you have that configured to post as messages, not as the ticker - is that deliberate?
 
post as messages, yes
 
right; the "still no ticker updates" threw me ;p
 
oh all this vocabulary
 
you haven't heard half of it :)
for its young age, this chat has quite a few memes already
 
7:22 PM
@balpha You don't have experience with nhibernate+fluent do ya?
 
nope
7 mins ago, by balpha
I'm new to .NET, and started with ASP.NET MVC 2
... add L2S to that
 
I started asp.net mvc with L2S and then learned that it kind of sucks
 
 
2 hours later…
9:30 PM
FEATURE REQUEST: prevent auto-scrolling when a message toolbar is open.
(so, if i'm hovering over star/flag/reply and someone else posts a message, I don't end up flag/star/replying to them on accident)
 
@Shog9 would you "permanetly" lose auto-scroll at that point.
As in, would it "snap back" once you were out of the tool bar? or would you have to manually go back to the bottom of the transcript?
 
I would expect it to snap back to autoscrolling if it had previously been autoscrolling
I would certainly be irritated though, if it began autoscrolling when previously it had not been
 
@Shog9 Yeah, both of them are problematic, because if I'm on a toolbar, and it stops autoscrolling, then I realize it's the previous message I wanted, I'd be rather upset if it jumped.
HOWEVER, if I leave my cursor in the chat area, and it happens to be over a tool bar, that doesn't necessarily imply that I'm meaning to stop scrolling. So you'd be creating a hidden (read: terrifying) feature.
 
albeit a very, very tiny terror
I suspect (but have not attempted to verify) that the autoscroll feature works by simply checking the scroll position - if it's not at the bottom already, it doesn't try to put it there just because a new message was posted
if that's true, then a naive implementation (that simply adds a check for the cursor over a toolbar button and skips out early) would actually work fairly intuitively: if no-one responds during the hover, autoscroll is re-enabled; if anyone does, autoscroll will be disabled until something else scrolls to the end
 

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