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M.A.R.

00:06

@Starship my reading is it's gonna flag a bunch of extra stuff.

Shouldn't be harmful

Journeyman Geek

00:17

@M.A.R. come to singapore :D

Starship

@M.A.R. And literally robo-review. And write questions. And "a bunch of extra stuff" could very turn out to be just about every post.

Journeyman Geek

@Starship I can't go into details (natch) but I get a general feeling they're just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks, until (prosus?) upper management loses interest

But I do think (most) moderators are going to pretty much be against it

Starship

@JourneymanGeek what does "natch" mean?

Journeyman Geek

naturally

Starship

@JourneymanGeek Why? What info would you have about SE upcoming plans that a normal user wouldn't (unless they've messaged the mods about this, which would then make it strange that they didn't post on meta)

Journeyman Geek

00:20

@Starship we get previews of things

In theory, this means we can tell them when they're making mistakes, and mitigate some of the damage

I think the question drafts is something they tried on SO before and failed gloriously?

Starship

00:38

@JourneymanGeek I seem to recall that too but I cna't find a link

Journeyman Geek

-89

Q: Stack Overflow will be experimenting with a question formatting assistant, and we would love for you to be involved

In the coming weeks, we will be conducting a new experiment aimed at improving the quality of questions on the site. This experiment is designed to use AI to help users format their question body and code according to the language they are using, making it easier for reviewers and curators to foc...

You answered it :D

Journeyman Geek

01:33

→ 34 messages moved to Chimney

→ 7 messages moved to Chimney

Tinkeringbell

07:56

@M.A.R. We have a bible belt. Be warned ;-)

SPArcheon - on strike

09:46

@JourneymanGeek I though the purpose was to make you aware of "falling shoes" ahead of time so that you can feel miserable knowing that you tried to warn them and they ignored you....

Shadow Wizard

10:14

@AndreascondemnsIsrael yours!

@Marco ah, that is correct! :D

@M.A.R. what about alcohol?

Here it's without any limits, not forbidden in Judaism.

@M.A.R. dunno about neither of those, but all in all we're currently about 20% extreme religious, 20% extreme non-religious, and the rest are in between, which is fine.

Tinkeringbell

Someone is using lunch to catch up on pings? ;)

Shadow Wizard

:D

Actually no lunch yet. :(

Tinkeringbell

10:42

@ShadowWizard oh noes

I just had mine and I'm still hungry :(

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell so have another one! :D

VLAZ

11:01

@ShadowWizard "But what about second lunch?"

Andreas condemns Israel

@ShadowWizard That sounds unsafe! My shadow is not trustworthy! He's my evil worse half! Lurking in the dark, deceiving your mind, playing games with your conscience and perception. If he gives you support, it can mean no good.

Ok, well, that is a lot of messages for a topic I don't invest in anymore.

@Starship Robo-reviewing refers to the action of reviewing items as if you were processing items on an assembly line; it means you are not actually reading each item to properly review it; you are mostly just clicking the same button over and over again.

@Starship That is what generative AI (GPT or other text-based output models) does. That is not a definition of AI or ML.

@Starship Since there are different kinds of AI/ML, you can have ML without it being generative.

Shadow Wizard

@VLAZ re-lunch?

Andreas condemns Israel

@Starship It's not; a robot reviewing doesn't mean it's robo-reviewing. If the robot is sufficiently sophisticated, it's not robo-reviewing. Smokey is a robot. It's not robo-reviewing, at least not if the term carries the same meaning as the negatively loaded use has here.

Shadow Wizard

@AndreascondemnsIsrael but perhaps that's who I was all along! evil laugh

:D

@AndreascondemnsIsrael +1

Andreas condemns Israel

@Starship I don't see anything in the quote that implies ML would be responsible for handling the entire pipeline.

@Starship Many of the complaints about SE's endeavours and ideas with using AI/ML for content creation, moderation and curation, has been a mistrust that SE would use the community to train their commercial tools for free, then discard of the community when no longer needed. That is a valid concern, but I haven't addressed it here.

Shadow Wizard

11:15

Legit use of AI/ML by SE would be having it train on correct reviews, then scan posts and add a new review queue of "suspected posts that might need review". Or something like that.

If that would give high rate of true positives, it's a success. But, chances for that are pretty low, sadly.

Andreas condemns Israel

Anyway, I really don't care about more SE/community drama now. That's all the resources I was willing to pour into it.

Shadow Wizard

@AndreascondemnsIsrael you poured a lot, now you need to Rest.

Andreas condemns Israel

@ShadowWizard I want to be RESTful.

Shadow Wizard

yup

Better than PainFul.

VLAZ

@Starship generative AI works by prediction. Well, statistical models too. But not all AI. Moreover, the AI field is quite wide and not all parts of it are about...well, AI. Quite a lot of it is statistics and heuristics from past data. That's how a lot of other spam systems work - they collect reported infractions and then based on this predict how much a given item is likely to be more of this. E.g., spam filters in emails do this trying to match past spam reports to new incoming emails.

Shadow Wizard

11:17

poor Star, so many pings! :D

Starship

@ShadowWizard I know seirously...

VLAZ

Reporting an item strengthens the system against things that look similar to it (well, slightly more complex, since even simpler system may try to cluster likely problematic terms. But details are not quite relevant for the overall concept of "mote similar to past bad items" = "more likely to be treated as a bad item")

@AndreascondemnsIsrael I also want to point out that another complaint I'd have is that I'm often not sure SE are capable of creating a feature. Even if the tech they talk about is, in theory, fit for the task they want to apply it to.

That doesn't only extend to their AI endeavours, by the way.

Starship

@AndreascondemnsIsrael I know that. The reason that robo-reviewing is a problem is because there is actual human evaluation taking place, just clicking buttons semi-randomly (or repeatedly clicking the same button). AI would likely do the first.

Andreas condemns Israel

@Mithical Isn't Washington DC bordering the ocean? I do imagine running on water is intense. I'd wanna try.

Starship

@AndreascondemnsIsrael what is "That is what generative AI (GPT or other text-based output models) does. That is not a definition of AI or ML." replying too

VLAZ

11:23

^^ Doesn't have to. It can build up a trust value for a given editor. The more good contributions they have, the less votes needed to approve their stuff, to a minimum of 1. Although, it can also extend to 0 (love me some non-rep-based privileges). A rejection can be a major loss of confidence - if they get 1-2 rejections, that might drop the confidence to where they need the normal 2 reviewers.

SPArcheon - on strike

@ShadowWizard @VLAZ I think the main issue is that every time "ZE BLOGZ" sprouts some AI nonsense pipedream, they ALWAYS talk about their LLM (trained with our contributions, but that they often forgets). So, every time they say "we will use AI magic to do this" everyone thinks back to the only thing they seem to know. ChatGPT like LLM. And a LLM will NOT detect spam in a reliable way.

Andreas condemns Israel

@ShadowWizard Oh, no, are you the demon on my shoulder?

@Starship The message it's marked as a reply to.

VLAZ

The same can be done in reverse and build up a "mistrust" confidence to make it easier to reject a given editor's suggestion by requiring only one reject vote.

SPArcheon - on strike

[cont] Now, had they mentioned an heuristic model instead, or some targeted machine learning... I guess many would have recognized that is what partially Smokey already does.

Starship

@AndreascondemnsIsrael I think it can be assumed that SE will use GenAI because thats what they always use...

SPArcheon - on strike

11:25

Anyway..... GDPR Art 22

> The data subject shall have the right not to be subject to a decision based solely on automated processing, including profiling, which produces legal effects concerning him or her or similarly significantly affects him or her.

Andreas condemns Israel

@Starship That is perhaps a reasonable assumption.

Starship

@AndreascondemnsIsrael Smokey doesn't review posts, it reports them in a chatroom. I wouldn't want Smokey in a review queue

SPArcheon - on strike

Also worth noticing that...

> Paragraph 1 shall not apply if the decision:
[cut]
- is based on the data subject’s explicit consent.

Shadow Wizard

@Starship well, I once had 100 pings in a row. So consider yourself lucky. ;)

Andreas condemns Israel

@Sha 1...

@Sha 2...

@Sha 3...

Shadow Wizard

11:27

nah

When I wasn't around.

So they flooded my poor inbox. :D

Starship

@ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard

Shadow Wizard

lol

Starship

Did it actually pingyou 34 times

Shadow Wizard

oh wait that didn't even ping once

Try it again please

SPArcheon - on strike

based on the above I would NOT put past ZE COMPANY to try to push some handwaving trash combobox in a TOS update

Shadow Wizard

11:29

calling my sock

Andreas condemns Israel

kick(152859); for (i = 0; i < 100; ++i) { message("@Sha \(i)..."); Thread.sleep(1000); }

Starship

@ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard @ShadowWizard

Thats actually the max number of times I can ping you in a single message

Shadow Wizard

@Starship ah it did ping, but once.

Starship

Awww...that would have really fun to annoy people with

Shadow Wizard

You can ping up to 10 different users in one message though. (don't try :))

SPArcheon - on strike

11:30

something like "If you don't want to be subjected to automated spam reviews and moderation please contact us by snail paper mail in the next 30 days"

Shadow Wizard

@AndreascondemnsIsrael would break fast by chat rate limit. :)

Andreas condemns Israel

@ShadowWizard What was that?

Shadow Wizard

@balpha is smart, he put a rate limit in the early days, and it's really fantastic.

Starship

@ShadowWizard Why not

Shadow Wizard

@Starship because most people won't like a random ping.

I do, but I'm not most people. ;(

Starship

11:32

@ShadowWizard I didn't mean that seriously

Andreas condemns Israel

@ShadowWizard He was summoned.

Starship

@VLAZ What part of "only some of AI is related to AI" makes sense

balpha

@AndreascondemnsIsrael So he was 😈

Shadow Wizard

I can ping e.g. @rene, @Pet, @M.A.R, @Mar, @Mitho, and @SPA just randomly sometimes, but even I get scared to ping some people. :-P

Mithical

@AndreascondemnsIsrael no, it's on the Potomac river

VLAZ

11:33

@Starship Graph traversal is within the purview of the AI field. But it's not, you know, anything like artificial intelligence.

Shadow Wizard

@balpha oh, hi there! :)

Starship

@VLAZ Why would SO have to make an AI? They love OpenAI so much theyll just use ChatGPT

Shadow Wizard

OpenAI is more than just ChatGPT.

I think/hope.

Andreas condemns Israel

@balpha Oh, no, you brought the dark evils of the shadows with you! What have you done, @Sha?! WE'RE ALL DOOMED!

Starship

@balpha By the way any comment on meta.stackexchange.com/questions/403793/… and meta.stackexchange.com/questions/403781/…

VLAZ

11:35

@Starship I've not claimed SE will do anything specific?

Starship

@VLAZ "
^^ Doesn't have to. It can build up a trust value for a given editor. The more good contributions they have, the less votes needed to approve their stuff, to a minimum of 1. Although, it can also extend to 0 (love me some non-rep-based privileges). A rejection can be a major loss of confidence - if they get 1-2 rejections, that might drop the confidence to where they need the normal 2 reviewers." replying to

Shadow Wizard

@Starship wrong staff to ask, he's "only" a developer. The best, but still. :)

Starship

@ShadowWizard Yes so he might know if something is being developed

@AndreascondemnsIsrael I can't see what message that was marked as reply to

Shadow Wizard

@Starship even if he does he won't/can't tell us, so no point asking.

Mithical

And pinging random staff members about issues that are not directly relevant to their area of work / have expressed being open to such pings is strongly recommended against.

balpha

11:37

@Starship haven't read them yet, but I doubt that I'll know anything, and even if so, I probably wouldn't be supposed to comment

Shadow Wizard

@Mithical well to be fair it's not random, balpha just arrived and wrote something.

Starship

@balpha ok

Andreas condemns Israel

@Mithical Oh, well... oh... fine.

balpha

also, AI AI AI AI AI AI

(I think I'm allowed to say that)

SPArcheon - on strike

@ShadowWizard I still sometime think that balpha is secretly BoltClock and therefore the one that for quite a bit had a Sunset Shimmer avatar...

Mithical

11:38

@ShadowWizard "random" as in not previously involved with the issue at hand

VLAZ

@Starship Explaining how an AI system can work is a far cry from suggesting SE will be doing that. But also it's a correct refutal of what you claimed the system would do. Also, honestly, I don't even think a gen AI solution would do random actions. Mostly because that's not what gen AI does, much less ChatGPT. It produces text, it doesn't manipulate the browser.

Shadow Wizard

@balpha oh no, you need ~~pain~~ AI killers?

Andreas condemns Israel

@balpha Only if you end it with "Captain!"

Shadow Wizard

@AndreascondemnsIsrael shoulder? Nope.

SPArcheon - on strike

Andreas condemns Israel

11:39

@ShadowWizard Demon in my... oh, no, I'm too scared to even think about it.

Shadow Wizard

@Mithical ah, I see. Well I'm also not in favor of this, but it's not very "severe", IMO.

balpha

ok I read them and I have no idea of how the details on any of that are supposed to look like, so you'll indeed have to ask someone else 😄

Shadow Wizard

Anyway happy שמחת תורה, @Mithical :)

@AndreascondemnsIsrael exactly.

:-D

ETA for lunch: 17 minutes

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Can't. Not a hobbit.

Also: busy

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell but.. hungry!

The rumblings from the poor stomach would make it hard for you to concentrate on work. ;)

@SPArcheon-onstrike hmm but that means he was like, ah, 10 years old when starting to work for SE? ;)

SPArcheon - on strike

11:44

@Tinkeringbell These are the times I find myself regretting the fact that Tinkerbell has never been included in the "Disney Princesses" franchise despite even Vanellope making the cut.

Shadow Wizard

Can't have it all.

SPArcheon - on strike

So many lost opportunities for calling Tink "Princess Tink" :P

Starship

@VLAZ It produces text that is more or less semi-random. It will be related to the topic you asked about usually but not usually correct.

Shadow Wizard

@Starship incorrect does not mean random.

Those are two different things, in their very base.

Andreas condemns Israel

Random is what I tend to employ.

Shadow Wizard

11:49

Random is often incorrect, sure. But, it doesn't mean you can refer to something being incorrect being random, or vice versa.

Andreas condemns Israel

Speaking of which, anybody wants some licorice?

SPArcheon - on strike

26 mins ago, by SPArcheon - on strike

@ShadowWizard @VLAZ I think the main issue is that every time "ZE BLOGZ" sprouts some AI nonsense pipedream, they ALWAYS talk about their LLM (trained with our contributions, but that they often forgets). So, every time they say "we will use AI magic to do this" everyone thinks back to the only thing they seem to know. ChatGPT like LLM. And a LLM will NOT detect spam in a reliable way.

Shadow Wizard

@AndreascondemnsIsrael ah, see? Perfect example for something totally random. :D

e.g. @M.A.R. what book you read these days? (example for random question. ;))

Starship

@ShadowWizard Random as in its not like it will always give the same incorrect answer to a question

SPArcheon - on strike

also... see this - writings.stephenwolfram.com/2023/02/…

Shadow Wizard

11:51

@Starship but, that's not random. It would be based on whatever it was trained on.

Andreas condemns Israel

@ShadowWizard I spent a week in a Turkish hospital.

Starship

@AndreascondemnsIsrael Why

Andreas condemns Israel

@Starship Food poisoning.

Starship

@AndreascondemnsIsrael Fun

Andreas condemns Israel

@Starship Indeed.

Marco

12:45

@ShadowWizard :D

@ShadowWizard Tell us some news

Tinkeringbell

@SPArcheon-onstrike Blegh.

Don't do that.

SPArcheon - on strike

@Tinkeringbell What? Don't you love the perfectly fine values at the core of every Disney Princess, who most of the time struggle to have little to no agency until the "Prince in Shinning Armor" comes to make their day better? Even Mulan comes out as an idiot who loses her mind for the first not-ugly-looking male in the army

Tinkeringbell

I'll allow that as a rhetorical question that I won't interact with further.

SPArcheon - on strike

13:00

@Tinkeringbell Actually, I was mostly ironically agreeing that the "values" presented by most Disney princesses... are kinda bad.

Journeyman Geek

So... I decided to clean my main PC after too long...

SPArcheon - on strike

So I totally agree on the "Blegh"

Journeyman Geek

It was working fine when I took it apart

23 October 2024

►

I feel like this isn't a good thing

(I eventually got it booting, but I suspect the pump on the AIO is dodgy)

SPArcheon - on strike

@JourneymanGeek the cobwebs you removed... those were part of the motherboard, you silly dog.

Journeyman Geek

@SPArcheon-onstrike actually stratified dust

you familiar with coralcolor or cyberclean?

the gunk people use to clean keyboards?

that's after the cleanup

Andreas condemns Israel

13:10

@JourneymanGeek There’s a distinct lack of fans in there.

Marco

@JourneymanGeek What's that?

Andreas condemns Israel

Also, is that the sound of the pump? It sounds like it’s running dry.

Actually, it sounds like a flamethrower.

@SPArcheon-onstrike How’d you even get spiders in there.

Spevacus

IS IT CHAT UPGRADE TIME?

Marco

@Spevacus Really?

Spevacus

Maybe? Possibly? Lord balpha is at the wheel of chat's fate. Only he decides whether armageddon comes.

Marco

13:14

OMG

Then the day of the rapture arrived

Andreas condemns Israel

Nothing ever upgrades, it only deteriorates.

Marco

@AndreascondemnsIsrael Not even you evolve?

Тyma Gaidash

Why was the SmokeDetector report removed? It is not clear why.

Marco

@ТymaGaidash Why do you think it was removed?

Spevacus

@ТymaGaidash If the post it reported was deleted within the window for self-deletion, SD will self-delete the message to save transcript space in this room.

voila

SPArcheon - on strike

13:20

@AndreascondemnsIsrael go ask Unihedron

47

Q: How can I remove ants from my laptop keyboard?

There are ants in my laptop keyboard again. It's happened before and ended up killing my productivity occasionally as the little critters suddenly show up from within the gaps of the keyboard. I had to bring it over to my uncle and he got rid of the ants, somehow, but I forgot to ask how he did i...

technology appliances pest-control

Spevacus

Oh my god what the actual

VLAZ

Ant Hill Inside™

Journeyman Geek

13:36

@AndreascondemnsIsrael possible.

It randomly goes normal, which has me confused

and when that happens, the processor immediately goes to 90+ apparently

@AndreascondemnsIsrael It has 3 :D

good enough IMO

@Marco dirty cyberclean

Marco

Huh

Journeyman Geek

its stuff that works very well for cleaning keyboards and crivaces

its a sort of goop.

cyberclean.net/products/home-office

also

Cyber Clean review

►

best. review. ever.

Marco

@JourneymanGeek Wow, it's daunting

Journeyman Geek

It actually works better than it did for him :D

Marco

It's the dauntest thing I've ever seen in my whole life

@JourneymanGeek He really couldn't clean anything from what I saw.

Journeyman Geek

13:46

You need to push it down into things

and not keep rolling it in your hands all the time :D

Marco

yeah

SPArcheon - on strike

@JourneymanGeek Also know as "How to sell Magic Slime to an adult 101"

Journeyman Geek

@SPArcheon-onstrike ah so...

I can't get the 'real' stuff for months at a time

so I tend up hoarding what I can get till its really gross :D

I mean, it works really well for what I use it for

41

Q: What's the best way to get ants out of laptop keyboards?

What's the best way to gets ants out of a laptop?

keyboard cleaning

cross site dupe :D

Andreas condemns Israel

@SPArcheon-onstrike Delicious. Back in school, some of my classmates had some laptops I didn’t dare touch. Now, they did ask me for help sometimes… at which point I asked them what the heck is wrong with their laptop hygiene habits.

@JourneymanGeek Did you check for leaks?

Journeyman Geek

none I could find

Marco

13:59

@AndreascondemnsIsrael Not all germs are harmful.

Andreas condemns Israel

@JourneymanGeek That’s only 20% of mine.

Journeyman Geek

Yes, but my PC is very demure, very mindful

Andreas condemns Israel

@JourneymanGeek Apparently not.

Journeyman Geek

Well no

now its working normally

which is sort of worse cause I don't know if I should swap out the cooler or not

Marco

@JourneymanGeek Wouldn't a vacuum cleaner be more efficient for cleaning?

Andreas condemns Israel

14:02

Was that the cheap 120mm AiO?

Journeyman Geek

Nope!

Andreas condemns Israel

Model?

Journeyman Geek

Its the thermaltake I've been running on my 9th gen since day 1

Andreas condemns Israel

Thanks, that wasn’t enough to know which one it is.

Journeyman Geek

trying to look it up lol

thermaltake.com/water-3-0-240-argb-sync.html

Andreas condemns Israel

14:05

Wait, is the pump the highest point in the loop? It looks like the radiator is mounted vertically, with the pipes connecting at the top?

Journeyman Geek

yup

only way it'll really fit, and never had issues with it

I know its 'bad' but its generally worked?

Andreas condemns Israel

Then it’s probably reached end of life, if you’ve had it for that long. The liquid can probably no longer fill sufficiently, making the pump run dry.

Journeyman Geek

Ya, but if it works now I can shop around a bit

rather than needing something now

Andreas condemns Israel

You do risk damaging the CPU and the motherboard if the cooling regularly stops working.

Journeyman Geek

I mean, in theory I do have a LGA 1156 cooler spare, but its meant for a laptop grade processor

@AndreascondemnsIsrael yes, I am aware

it broke today and I witchcrafted it into working :D

I just spent the entire afternoon beting it into working so I think decisions can wait till tommorrow :D

Andreas condemns Israel

14:08

You can try taking the radiator/fans out, and temporary connect it at the top (if you can tape it on the outside with the case cover off), to test if it works fine like that.

Journeyman Geek

Oh

it works fine now

as long as I don't move the PC

Andreas condemns Israel

Sure, give it 5 more minutes. ;)

Journeyman Geek

IF it dies again, I have something I can use right behind me. in theory

Andreas condemns Israel

Or, ehm, rotate the whole case onto the back. :D

Journeyman Geek

oh putting it on its back is a sure way to trigger the problem

I THINK If I remove and install the heatsink while the case is vertical, about half the time, it works correctly all the time.

Andreas condemns Israel

14:10

Weird. That should mean the pump is at the lowest point.

Journeyman Geek

My first guess was bad bearing

or its an asetek so it gets clogged and maybe moving it unclogs, reclogs it

Andreas condemns Israel

Did you unmount the radiator to check if it’s been damaged, so the liquid can’t properly flow through it, and gets stuck?

Right.

Journeyman Geek

I'd unmounted it to clean it

Looks fine

Also, honestly, 5 years is pretty close to what I consider design life on PCs sooo

if it did die, I'm like "ok, sure"

Andreas condemns Israel

Should last for at least 15, ignoring the fact that it gets heavily outdated. But, undee heavy and prolonged load, like for game-playing, 5 is probably reasonable… to a certain degree.

My PS2 is 20 years old, I still use it!

The laptop, that lasted for 6 years.

SPArcheon - on strike

@JourneymanGeek Welllllll..... the PS5 pro is coming out soon.

Journeyman Geek

14:16

I mean, I expect parts to start failing

Andreas condemns Israel

@SPArcheon-onstrike Can I replace my PS5 with it?

Journeyman Geek

My PC does see heavy use so fans or coolers going bad is, well, not a big deal

Andreas condemns Israel

AiOs at least aren’t particularly expensive. But I don’t like the waste it leads to. It’s not possible for you to repair, is it? Perhaps swap the liquid?

SPArcheon - on strike

@AndreascondemnsIsrael "Just" 799$ and you have to buy the disk drive separately for 80$.... or you could if every disk drive hadn't been bought by "I-Wish-You-Bad-Luck" scalpers selling them at 200$ now.

Andreas condemns Israel

@SPArcheon-onstrike I was looking at PSVR2. I guess I’m better off putting my money there.

SPArcheon - on strike

14:18

so the full console now would be 800$ + 200$ drive.

Journeyman Geek

@AndreascondemnsIsrael I mean, if it runs, but is suspect, I can look at options

SPArcheon - on strike

@AndreascondemnsIsrael I hope the launch is going to flop horrible and cost them tons of money.

Journeyman Geek

Its not really designed to be refilled I think

the chinese one has a filler cap :D

Andreas condemns Israel

@SPArcheon-onstrike Why?

@JourneymanGeek Might be some option…

SPArcheon - on strike

@AndreascondemnsIsrael because the 800$ price is simply TOO HIGH... and they didn't even include a 80$ drive well knowing that people would then have to buy one from scalpers at 4 times the price

Not a single gaming site is defending that price

Even ign - a notorious Sony fan - is calling the price bull....

Journeyman Geek

14:21

hmm

Servicing an Asetek All in One Liquid Cooler (corsair, nzxt) part 2

►

Bit more involved than I'd like unless I was keeping it as a spare

Andreas condemns Israel

@SPArcheon-onstrike Got my 2TB drives for 2100 NOK; they’re both compatible with PS5. But I’d prefer 4 TB. Way too expensive. Especially 8 TB… 1 TB is affordable enough, but that’s so small these days.

Journeyman Geek

@AndreascondemnsIsrael 'normal' sata drives or some special sauce drives?

Andreas condemns Israel

@SPArcheon-onstrike I don’t get it; I was under the impression PS5 Pro would have 2 TB built-in?

Journeyman Geek

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Andreas condemns Israel

@JourneymanGeek « Kingston FURY Renegade PCIe 4.0 M.2 NVME SSD 2TB, 7300/7000 MB/s»

Journeyman Geek

14:24

@AndreascondemnsIsrael ah, so normal SSDs.

@SPArcheon-onstrike tbh, my GPU cost more than that, this is a pretty good machine, and honestly dosent' 'need' an upgrade

Andreas condemns Israel

Same, and I would’ve gotten a 4090 for approximately the same price (4080S) in certain pre-builts. The rest of the computer would’ve been worse, though.

Pre-builts cheaping out. The shop did sell a similar pre-built to mine, in the same case. That one costs 20 000+ NOK more than mine, so, you get it.

Journeyman Geek

Oh, shiny aside (and it was an upgrade), I like building PCs? :D

If that's not obvious by now

SPArcheon - on strike

@AndreascondemnsIsrael you skipped the previous messages. And @Andreas too.

The 200$ "drive" is the disk reader drive.

as in, blue ray disk reader

balpha

start your goodbyes -- if everything goes well, chat.meta will be the old .NET Framework version for about another hour and then never again

SPArcheon - on strike

Which is sold separately because those ~~bas~~ nice guys at Sony are trying to push their "digital only" agenda (sell digital games at the same price of the disk version without paying the disk cost - not a single digital game costs less than the retail version)

balpha

14:34

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Q: Chat upgrade incoming! No feature changes, but major under-the-hood work

TL;DR We'll be deploying a new version of Chat that has significant under-the-hood changes. Ideally you won't notice anything, but just in case, here's what's happening: On Wednesday, October 23, around 15:30 UTC, chat.meta gets the new version. I'll be in the Tavern when I deploy the change, so...

discussion chat announcements maintenance technology

@balpha context ^

Spevacus

IT'S TIME

... Well, almost.

Journeyman Geek

HOLD ON TO YOUR PANTALOONS.

SPArcheon - on strike

@JourneymanGeek thank to this idiotic move, scalpers managed to get their dirty hands on the entire disk drive stock and sell them for around 250$

Spevacus

status-pantaloons-gripped

ij8

Hi, I'm @balpha's sockpuppet for testing purposes, so don't be surprised I can talk even though I don't have enough rep

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balpha

14:38

truth ⬆️

DavidPostill

@balpha We seem to have survived

balpha

no it's another hour

we're still on the old version

(I'm in a meeting)

DavidPostill

@balpha Bleedin summer time

SPArcheon - on strike

@balpha I mean, with no WB you could have used the Chichen instead.

Andreas condemns Israel

@JourneymanGeek But do you have fans to clap for you?

SPArcheon - on strike

14:40

@balpha here goes any hope for the switch to be made on schedule. See you in 6-8 hours instead :P

Journeyman Geek

No?

Chicken

@SPArcheon-onstrike I'm not a real user though 🐔☹️

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Andreas condemns Israel

@SPArcheon-onstrike Oh, well, that sounds a bit expensive here.

SPArcheon - on strike

@AndreascondemnsIsrael that is the Anniversary Scam edition, which costs even more

Andreas condemns Israel

@SPArcheon-onstrike But it’s a bundle, so it comes with way more content.

So, PS5 Pro (10190) + disk reader (1479) = 11669 NOK. Expensive enough. I guess I’ll stick to the one I have.

Is the new stand in aluminum? That’s better than the ugly plastic one.

SPArcheon - on strike

14:51

@AndreascondemnsIsrael except the disk reader is NOT included. That is just the plastic cover, you silly pony

direct.playstation.com/en-us/buy-consoles/…

> DISC-FREE CONSOLE - Internet connection and an account for PlayStation™Network required.
Disc Drive sold separately.

Andreas condemns Israel

@SPArcheon-onstrike komplett.no/product/1301250/gaming/tilbehoer-til-spillkonsoller/…

SPArcheon - on strike

@AndreascondemnsIsrael oh, sorry, I had your post wrong. You were summing the base price and the disk drive price. Ok.

Anyway the "more content" in the anniversary bundle is a second gamepad.

and then...

> PlayStation™ sticker
Limited Edition PlayStation™ poster
PlayStation™ paperclip
Printed materials

trash

Andreas condemns Israel

The most disappointing part of my PS5 is actually the white plastic covers. They look quite good in pictures and videos, but in person, they look seriously cheap. Like, very, very cheap.

SPArcheon - on strike

@AndreascondemnsIsrael that is the "WC White" trend started by the IPhone

And I'll let you know I hate it

That white is perfect.... for restrooms.

Not for tech products

Andreas condemns Israel

15:11

@SPArcheon-onstrike No, it’s the material, not the colour.

Besides, it’s been ages since Apple sold products with a focus on being white.

SPArcheon - on strike

@AndreascondemnsIsrael yeah but before the IPhone mac users where like white fleas.

now the restroom white IPhone is a status symbol.

Andreas condemns Israel

mhm, now you’re just being general anti-Apple again.

Anyway, I should fine something to cover those white plastic pieces in.

Unfortunately, I have no artistic qualities, so I can’t paint them.

«Fine»

SPArcheon - on strike

15:28

@AndreascondemnsIsrael buy a faceplate

I bet you would like this one

Andreas condemns Israel

@SPArcheon-onstrike Yes.

@SPArcheon-onstrike No.

Journeyman Geek

@AndreascondemnsIsrael Apple chickened out. Clear plastic 3 eva

uh

I think SU and MSE went down?

Spevacus

No repro

Journeyman Geek

never mind, was a blip

Spevacus

Made a feeds user for announcement posts btw chat.meta.stackexchange.com/users/-215/meta-announcements

Open to new ideas for an avatar

Journeyman Geek

15:41

@Spevacus wait, is this different from the one I made ?

Spevacus

Yours just used the generic Feeds user. This uses the fancy "Create User" button that I think needs mod powaz

Journeyman Geek

Ah right

Spevacus

It just changes the appearance of the user who posts it

balpha

Andreas condemns Israel

@Spevacus Messing with the citizen records, how criminal and terrible!

Spevacus

15:44

IT'S TIME

balpha

if things completely break, we'll revert and should be back in 2 minutes

Andreas condemns Israel

And everyone gets a reparation?

balpha

pushing the button!

@AndreascondemnsIsrael I would offer a cookie, but that's kinda tricky with GDPR consent and all

Spevacus

It's alive! But is this updated... Or rolled back?

Andreas condemns Israel

@balpha That’s unfortunate, but luckily, I’m a fast eater, so it should’ve been devoured before anyone comes asking.

balpha

15:50

@Spevacus rolled back

Elements In Space

awww

balpha

don't yet know what went wrong, looking

Spevacus

Ah, shame. Thought maybe the maintenance notification was intentional.

Adam Lear

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