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Journeyman Geek

05:30

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Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

08:21

@ShadowWizard RE meta.stackexchange.com/posts/86998/revisions: just wondering if you read the HTML comment that I placed there earlier, given that you didn't delete it in your latest edit.

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I read it now, but disagree. We should not hide such important details just because someone might abuse it.

Feel free to start a meta discussion about it, if more people would agree with you, then by all means remove it, and point to the discussion in the edit summary.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard I'm going to ask SO regulars what they think.

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog no, it applies to MSE as it's on MSE.

MSO active members are less relevant.

Journeyman Geek

MSO goes by regular meta rules right?

Shadow Wizard

I see your point, but don't think the gain would be worth the loss. (of info)

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

08:26

@ShadowWizard I'd have to disagree. As a prior example, in the past, the FAQ on good titles contained many "good examples" that were quite bad examples for SO questions, and I think it's good that those were edited out.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek it's ordinary per-site meta yes.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard Next time, please be sure to check the post's HTML comments because someone may have explained a deliberate omission of something there or left behind some other note (for instance, a link to a discussion of some specific wording). If you still disagree with the reasons in said comments, please be sure to delete them after making the edit as they're no longer relevant.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog in general 'hiding' things in HTML comments are not in any way a common convention on the network

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@Sonic MSO has an active and strict community. Mentioning the absence of automatic post bans there, does no harm.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek It was apparently common enough for the site's most prolific registered editor to change an editor's note from visible text to HTML comments. (I undid the change as the note was relevant to readers as well, and my browser at the time, Edge Legacy, would load the editor scrolled to the bottom so the comment wouldn't get seen.)

Journeyman Geek

08:36

I'm not sure how that turns that into a convention - and you yourself undid it

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

If it were purely an editor's note (and had no value to readers), and if it were after Microsoft's discontinuation and removal of Edge Legacy, I'd have left it as a comment.

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog no. What @Journeyman is true. I'm not going to look everywhere before making an edit.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek From what I've seen, that editor never creates new conventions; they only rely on existing precedent.

Journeyman Geek

or felt that was the appropriate thing to do in that instance

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

SE staff do it too, for instance on the "year in moderation" posts. If you look at the top of an unedited example, you'll see a comment that says "don't edit this post as edits will be overridden by an automated script" or somesuch.

Journeyman Geek

08:42

Which isn't something of any use to a normal human

I have a post that literally has half of it as a HTML comment so I can copy and paste the raw markdown easily cause I'm lazy :D

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Now, let's say for example that I bring up the addition to SO regulars, and they strongly disagree with its addition. I'd want to leave a tidbit for a future editor with a link to the discussion outcome as a reminder to not reinstate the text. I can't have it as visible text since that defeats the purpose. What can I do?

Or, the same thing is discussed in a meta discussion which comes to a consensus to not add the text.

Because I've had a case where a question of mine (which was on a new beta site whose scope was still being worked out) was closed, then brought up on the site's meta, then that meta discussion came to a consensus that it was on-topic, so the question was reopened, but was then re-closed by binding moderator vote from a mod who didn't read the meta discussion even though it was linked in the comments.

Shadow Wizard

09:02

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Sadly, I don't think it's realistic to expect people, even moderators, to read HTML comments before editing. Some might, some won't. Having it in a comment would make more sense, linking to the discussion and still, many would miss it. So when it happens, and if it's really valid to remove, then roll the edit back and in the summary make it clear why.

(or if like this case the editor is active in chat, explain in chat like we did here. :))

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard Well, in this case, I did bring it up to SO regulars, who'll make the decision as to whether the added visible text should be removed again or left to stay. In the meantime, I'm going to remove the HTML comment since it's irrelevant in the current revision.

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Shadow Wizard

11:01

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Israeli but not Jewish.

Druze

The Druze ( DROOZ; Arabic: دَرْزِيّ, darzī or دُرْزِيّ durzī, pl. دُرُوز, durūz), who call themselves al-Muwaḥḥidūn (lit. 'the monotheists' or 'the unitarians'), are an Arab and Arabic-speaking esoteric ethnoreligious group from West Asia who adhere to the Druze faith, an Abrahamic, monotheistic, syncretic, and ethnic religion whose main tenets assert the unity of God, reincarnation, and the eternity of the soul. Most Druze religious practices are kept secret. The Druze do not permit outsiders to convert to their religion. Marriage outside the Druze faith is rare and strongly discouraged. The...

Those who live in Israel are loyal and serve in the army, and overall appreciated, but when it comes to such things.... they aren't being treated very fairly.

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact well, "Look! He did it too!" is not an excuse to do it as well.

Andreas moved to Codidact

11:56

@ShadowWizard Israel did retaliate today, though…

@ShadowWizard That applied 10 months ago, too.

Shadow Wizard

12:11

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact you know I agree, to some point.

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact huh. going to look

ah, nothing special so far. Israel does attack "selected targets" or whatever it's called ever since Hezbollah started shooting.

Journeyman Geek

12:28

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Shadow Wizard

Smokey made a big mess ^^

Ah most same spammer.

eww ChatGPT spammer who appears to get away with it. Yikes.

Well hopefully Smokey will defeat the spammer.

Journeyman Geek

13:01

most of them have been kaboomed

Shadow Wizard

For now. :/

Journeyman Geek

13:58

@ShadowWizard the price of freedom is eternal vigilance :D

Eleeza the Other World Wizard

14:41

@JourneymanGeek Now that’s a line I need to keep for future reference because man that is some writing potential

Journeyman Geek

lol

I kinda stole it from Wing commander 4 :D

Shadow Wizard

@EleezatheOtherWorldWizard well @Journeyman is a hidden gem in poetry. :-D

Wasted talent.

;-)

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The Price of Freedom?

Eleeza the Other World Wizard

15:06

I like writing songs, does that count as poetry?

1 hour later…

Andreas moved to Codidact

16:22

@EleezatheOtherWorldWizard Depends on

Andreas moved to Codidact

16:34

@ShadowWizard NRK reports that Israeli/Jewish settlers have begun occupying Gaza, to replace the Palestinian population, with support from the Israeli government. Seems in line with what I predicted a while ago. :/

Eleeza the Other World Wizard

16:48

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact I’d like to hope I’m not too bad at writing lyrics :,)

My uni’s doing this thing where in the first week back students could sign up to do music performances in the square

and i signed up

to sing

Bunch of actual bands, and then one silly little girl with garageband on her phone and a dream

Andreas moved to Codidact

@EleezatheOtherWorldWizard As long as you have creativity, and choose to do something original, you should already be a long step in the right direction. :)

@EleezatheOtherWorldWizard Yay! :D

@EleezatheOtherWorldWizard Didn’t you say you play an instrument?

Eleeza the Other World Wizard

Good thing I have a long time to prepare yet

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact I’m teaching myself piano but I’m not at a level where I can perform yet

More comfortable with singing, somehow

Andreas moved to Codidact

Ah. It takes some patience. I have a guitar, but I haven’t played on it for 2 years now.

I never was much good, though.

Eleeza the Other World Wizard

cloud-8sbaeqqes-hack-club-bot.vercel.app/… Here’s a teeny tiny clip of me trying to play something on the keyboard

Andreas moved to Codidact

@EleezatheOtherWorldWizard Awesome! That’s quite nice.

Eleeza the Other World Wizard

16:59

@AndreasmovedtoCodidact Thanks :D

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