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cocomac

03:35

If a staff member deletes a comment, can mods still see it?

Journeyman Geek On Strike

04:12

yup

practically staff mod powers are mostly the same as ours

Most of the 'extra' stuff is 'across' sites - like a network suspension or the new and improved spammer destruction button

so their comment deletions are the same as 'our' comment deletions

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

06:45

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike but I do wonder, can they redact comments?

That even mods will probably not see.

Journeyman Geek On Strike

Don't think so

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

So only via direct access to the db?

Journeyman Geek On Strike

yup

Never heard of that happening before

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

Well no need unless deleted comments will become available to high rep users.

Then all hell might break loose. ;)

One thing that might be exception is if staff will post some super sensitive info in comment by mistake, that even mods should not see.

Journeyman Geek On Strike

07:37

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I don't really think there's anything that needs immediate complete nuking

unless someone posts nuclear launch codes in the comments

M.A.R.

1234

Journeyman Geek On Strike

YOU FOO, YOU HAVE DOOMED US ALL!

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

07:53

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike I once asked about IP address used by SE, turned out it was some sensitive info that could be used by hackers, so Nick hard deleted it and sent me email to let me know. It's "more" than redaction, it means even mods can't see it, or anyone, it was actually deleted without any trace or way to bring it back. So, same can happen with comments, I guess.

Journeyman Geek On Strike

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Sure but there's no 'formal' way for us to do that

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

Of course, it's rare enough to not require it.

Journeyman Geek On Strike

and if there was we'd use a CM escalation or 'abuse' a community emergency escalation

and let them deal with it :D

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike can you abuse community emergency to ask for a coffee? ;)

Journeyman Geek On Strike

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Presumably there's no point unless I live near a CM

else the coffee would end up cold

/me hands @ShadowWizardStrikesBack an admixture of boiled fire ants, water from a well cursed to be dry, and 90% recycled post consumer waste

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

08:24

Yummy! Waste!

wasting the waste then recycling it again

M.A.R.

10:21

I try to look at the bright side! I reviewed numerous math papers written in bad and overly concise English, lacking any explanations or context, full of mathematical jargon that the authors - after internalizing it - apply without thought or consideration, Now I'm looking forward to reviewing math papers written in flawless and overly wordy English, larded with misleading context and pointless explanations of trivialities, and still full of mathematical jargon that ChatGPT - after internalizing it - applies without thought or consideration. Who wouldn't welcome a bit of change now and then? — Jochen Glueck 2 days ago

Journeyman Geek On Strike

11:44

huh

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Q: Tor users get a disingenuous error during signup

When Tor-users try to sign up, they consistently get the error message Something went wrong. Please contact us at [email protected] for assistance. However this error-message is disingenuous, because when Tor users actually contact [email protected] for a...

I wasn't aware that was a thing, and I get why

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

Actually it should not be 100% blocked anymore.

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A: Update on the ongoing DDoS attacks and blocking Tor exit nodes

For the past 3 weeks we have been working to further strengthen our DDoS mitigation while also accounting for Tor traffic. At this point, we feel that we have been able to strike a good balance between protecting the site from DDoS attacks without blocking Tor traffic. Although we cannot rule out...

Didn't find newer updates.

But, they probably blocked it again just without saying anything, that's how they work.

Journeyman Geek On Strike

Well unless you're an entirely legit user with a need for deep privacy ...

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike like @forest? ;)

Journeyman Geek On Strike

yup

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

Unless part of blocking DDoS attacks, there's really no legit excuse to just block Tor. The real reason is of course they know they won't get any money from those users, only trouble.

(as they won't click any ads, can't be tracked, etc.)

Journeyman Geek On Strike

12:00

or a certain rabbit loving troll

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike well if he's able to pop into SE it means Tor isn't totally blocked after all.

Journeyman Geek On Strike

or is using another account or isn't using tor

I obviously won't be checking, nor will I be sharing if I had :D

SPArcheon

13:18

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike #CarrotNakama

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

13:42

Huh! I knew that starship was trouble. Finally network wide suspension, after littering MSE with dirty sock. I knew something was familiar in that "answer". (it was posted by different account, which was merged.)

Journeyman Geek On Strike

13:58

huh

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

One less thing for the local mods to worry about, unless he'll try to create more accounts anyway. :/

Journeyman Geek On Strike

If he was socking, likely

I'll need to look it up post strike

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike well that answer proves it, I wasn't sure of course.

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike nothing to look, already merged. Forgot the name he used originally.

Journeyman Geek On Strike

which answer?

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I'm avoiding anything mod specific

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike that.

Journeyman Geek On Strike

14:01

including history etc

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike but just viewing isn't curating.

Journeyman Geek On Strike

ah

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

Can you see what was merged into it?

Journeyman Geek On Strike

Its sill privileged information and I might accidentally view PII

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

meh

That ship has sunk anyway.

Spevacus

14:02

They were complaining recently about the recent-suspension elimination criteria because they wanted to run for moderator on langdev.SE. Sigh.

Journeyman Geek On Strike

lol

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

Also, welcome back @Spe long time no talk! ;)

Spevacus

Hallo

Journeyman Geek On Strike

You do the crime, you do the time?

Spevacus

I guess so :P

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

14:03

Sorry for similar avatar, didn't notice before changing.

Spevacus

The more blue, the merrier!

Journeyman Geek On Strike

AHH TWO OF THEM.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

oh, I love blue! :D

Spevacus

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

My son and younger daughter also love blue, older daughter not so much. :D

@Spevacus huh! shivers to the thought of such a user being a moderator

Spevacus

14:05

The system worked :)

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

Luckily! Not everything is bad in SE.

did I really just say that?!

:D

Spevacus

Quick, someone take a picture! Shadow being positive about SE!

Journeyman Geek On Strike

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack ... Where is the real @ShadowWizardStrikesBack and what have you done with him?

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike I'm afraid @Spev has some control over me when so close.... hmm...

blinking twice

Journeyman Geek On Strike

hm

refills @ShadowWizardStrikesBack's blinker fluid

M.A.R.

14:24

Halp

Blue things have invaded the chat

Go back to your planets!

Journeyman Geek On Strike

I AM on my planet

SPArcheon

humbug. He said "everyTHING".
Save your enthusiasm for when he will say "everyONE".

Journeyman Geek On Strike

I have enthusiasm to spare

SPArcheon

then I may give you my address later. Need some.

M.A.R.

In protest of the recent invasion of blue chat avatars, I am going on a blue avatar strike

SPArcheon

14:37

@M.A.R. If I understand correctly you are asking me to switch my picture to Qiqi, right?

M.A.R.

@SPArcheon sounds like one of those delicious recipes that I'll never try in this lifetime

Journeyman Geek On Strike

@M.A.R. like a durian, pineapple, tuna and stockfish pizza?

M.A.R.

Only monks consider durian to be delicious from what I've heard

Journeyman Geek On Strike

Its not bad at a safe distance. Like the next continent

M.A.R.

And pizza is overrated

Journeyman Geek On Strike

14:42

If you don't try it, how will you know?

M.A.R.

I have tried pizza, it's not very uncommon

Maybe in monasteries

But it's usually normal-ass sane-ass pizza

Journeyman Geek On Strike

You don't want ass pizza

that's clealy where you're going wrong

M.A.R.

With three types of meat, four types of saturated and unsaturated fat, and 0.018% veggies

Journeyman Geek On Strike

left ass, right ass, and 'mystery'?

M.A.R.

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike If you don't try it, how will you know?

Journeyman Geek On Strike

14:45

Well you're clearly not whelmed

M.A.R.

Someone pull up the whelm of bleem

Where's Smokey when you need him

I do miss reading spam

Maybe we can make some ourselves

What are the benefits of i.n.s.t.a.l.o.s.s pill? Many consumers claim that the

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SPArcheon

THIS GAME IS SO DARK IT TRAUMATIZED ME.. (Pineapple On Pizza)

►

disclaimer: he is not joking.

@M.A.R. Ask @ShadowWizardStrikesBack if they have any idea on how to bring baba back.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

15:03

@M.A.R. you're also partially blue! :D

PM 2Ring

16:05

My favourite comment from that MDN mess is github.com/mdn/yari/issues/9230#issuecomment-1636785321

> This is actually a generic problem with ChatGPT: if you ask it something that is impossible, it simply cannot tell you that what you ask is impossible; instead, it will hallucinate a world wherein the thing you ask for is in fact possible and then come up with an overly elaborate answer, with full code examples and everything, but it will never work because it's not possible and it does not have the ability to tell you this.

> In other words, ChatGPT is an XY problem amplifier. You want to do something with an API that wasn't made to do the something, you ask the tool in MDN how to do that, it will hallucinate some gibberish for you that makes it sound like it's possible, and now you're stuck even further in your XY problem.

V2Blast

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike I'm glad you like it! I think it came out quite well :)

(I was the CM liaison with the designers on that theme)

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I feel like anyone who believes AI alone will be able to correctly answer any question (in its current form, not some sort of utopian sci-fi future) has never dealt with an automated system :P

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike I dealt with a few network spammers that I came across on Friday :)

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog fixed

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Yes, we can – though there's thankfully rarely a reason to do so.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

16:35

@V2Blast of course, but I'm pretty sure that's exactly what most people think: that AI will give them correct answers, and they don't care how.

SPArcheon

@PM2Ring ChatGPT is biased toward accepting the premise made by the user. Unless you ask something really blatant like "can a cat fly" it will try to follow up on your premise. This is probably tied to having been trained on lies like "a cat can fly" but not on more complex ones like "It is true that Hasbro and Sega made a My Little Pony and Sonic the Hedgehog crossover called My Little Mobius?"

DavidPostill

17:03

@Spevacus Which user was that?

PM 2Ring

@SPArcheon Right. The initial training and RLHF can only cover a microscopic proportion of the space of possible combinations of concepts. We commonly say that GPT creates continuations that are statistically consistent with its training data, but that's an exaggeration.

Even a galaxy's worth of training data could only cover a tiny fraction of the possible token sequences of even modest length, so most of the time GPT is estimating probabilities for sequences it's never seen by extrapolating from the sequences it has seen. RLHF can provide a band-aid solution for some of the more blatant flaws, but it's easy to enter territory that is pure hallucination.

SPArcheon

17:30

@PM2Ring that said, I am still waiting for someone to abuse adversary generation (and other similar techs) for its real purpose.

Videogames

past the "procedural generated" we wait for the horrors of stable diffusion generation

.... that said, there are some fan games that could use chatGPT as an improvement to their actual content....

The You Testament comes to mind

Alexis King

18:03

Is there a way to see a historical list of all HNQs for a given site? Or, if not that, a feed?

I guess it can be obtained via SEDE

I also just found lackadaisical-appeal.glitch.me

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@AlexisKing yep

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A: Please open the Hot Network Questions to auditing via the Data Explorer

Bullets 1 & 2 (the question ID and the moment of entering the list) will be available via the existing PostHistory table, for hot questions on or after February 28th, 2019. The PostHistoryTypeId for these events is 52. Next Sunday, we'll get to execute queries like this which will list the latest...

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