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Journeyman Geek

00:37

arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/06/…

Feeds

04:44

stackoverflow.blog/2023/06/16/…

Meta Andrew T.

05:02

@Feeds Pair oneboxing? We peek under the hood of Twobox, Stack Overflow’s blogging tool.

Elements in Space

05:30

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Q: We are seeking functional feedback for the formatting assistant

We are seeking functional feedback for the formatting assistant experiment, which will help users format their question body and code according to the language they are using. The experiment is now open and people will be interacting with the tool. If you encounter any issues with the tool we hop...

Tinkeringbell

06:24

@ElementsinSpace Doesn't work for a meter (as the Dutch say).

Elements in Space

@Tinkeringbell "Het klopt voor geen meter."

Tinkeringbell

"Het werkt voor geen meter", but close enough ;)

Yours is correct Dutch too, but if something doesn't "klop", it is 'incorrect'. ;)

This one just doesn't work ;)

Elements in Space

(I don't know any Dutch)

Tinkeringbell

It was a very good guess/translation, no worries :)

Elements in Space

I had to use an idiom search thing. It seems like a good expression, and apt.

Tinkeringbell

06:37

Yep. Though it is honest in admitting it doesn't know the language I program in :P

Elements in Space

@Tinkeringbell "a language that cannot be determined" ... hahaha.

Tinkeringbell

It's Magik . But I've fed it a form of syntax that I think (90% sure) isn't available anywhere online except in the official documentation which requires you to log-in, so not publicly available to whatever is used to train an AI ;)

Safdar Faisal

07:25

@Tinkeringbell yeah, I just had to go through all my SE profiles on the wayback machine to find one that wasn't rate limited.. back to being blue yay.

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell " except in the official documentation which requires you to log-in,"

that's both slightly evil, and the sort of thing SE is supposed to be good at :D

Tinkeringbell

I really like being slightly evil. That's why I've been grinning in my sleep al night, I had something to look forward to :P (I saw the messages about the experiment launching just before sleep yesterday :P)

Journeyman Geek

@SafdarFaisal .... just how many profiles do you have?

Actually don't answer that, I don't need to know :D

Safdar Faisal

:p

Journeyman Geek

I would advice not using multiple accounts to get around system restrictions

Safdar Faisal

07:36

Nah, it's the same account but on different sites

I have only one sock on Chem.SE and it's clearly labelled as one.

Journeyman Geek

ahh then I misunderstood

Which is perfectly fine

Safdar Faisal

also system restrictions?

Journeyman Geek

Means if you're rate limited or question banned, don't use another account on the same site to get around it.

Safdar Faisal

Isn't that just grounds for a perma ban for ban evasion? I value my accounts

Journeyman Geek

Precisely, Well not a permaban but a very long one

SPArcheon

07:45

Hi folks. I come to ~~use you~~ ask you for help on some test I am doing

Can anyone suggest me some actually existing Class/Method that looks like a typo?

Example: imagine a method called "DoSomthing"
This is obviously made up but I am looking for something similar.

Tinkeringbell

@SPArcheon en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_referer ?

SPArcheon

@Tinkeringbell Good catch! Thanks!

Tinkeringbell

No problem :)

That one always messes me up because I'm too used to typing English correctly (so referrer instead of referer and then things crash XD)

SPArcheon

context:

> Corollary: one specific thing about this worries me, and that is the AI trying to fix "code" too. I am currently trying to trick the tool into editing the code, I will update this post if I succeed.

So far I managed to get the tool to "fix" methods like "DoSomthing". Trying to see if this can work with actual methods too.

SPArcheon

08:17

Best hallucination so far.

Notice the made up "related" link that was added.

this is also new...

Tinkeringbell

@SPArcheon I got this, this morning: "It seems like a simple if-else block, but I'm not familiar with the >> symbol. What does it do in this context? Can someone explain the purpose of this code block? This question is a continuation of a previous question I asked, which can be found here." (With a link to a jquery answer :/)"

Same code block as above.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

looking left

looking right

walking slowly towards the kitchen

SPArcheon

@Tinkeringbell interesting... the "this is a continuation" ... I got that too just now.

M.A.R.

08:35

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack did you make it to the kitchen?

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@M.A.R. of course not. Stopped to watch the TV.

60 inch screen.

taking banana out of the bag

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack your TV is quite long

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@M.A.R. and flat. She works out a lot.

Once upon a time, TV's had a belly. Not anymore! :D

SPArcheon

@starball I am seriously considering a "post your test results" post on Meta SO for the feature you mentioned.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

But not my TV, it's what Jeff put in the Tavern.

SPArcheon

08:38

So far it seems quite easy to make the tool hallucinate things, but I wonder how bad you can get.

starball

@SPArcheon isn't that in scope for the existing featured post?

SPArcheon

@starball oh, you are right. It is Friday.

SPArcheon

08:59

NICEEEEE!!!!!! It can do FiM Fiction too!!!!!

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

?

SPArcheon

starball

09:14

@SPArcheon lmao

server seems a bit slow on SO :/

SPArcheon

@starball I tried asking for a picture of a cat and a short haiku about it and got a reply "this question is not about programming please don't ask this on Stack Overflow". I hoped they caught up and fixed this huge issue.

They didn't.

anyway, this proves the point, so let's just stop here.

If they want to give people a free chatgpt fanfiction generation tool, this is quite good. I doubt this was their intent though...

starball

"how can I use Stack Overflow to get chat.openai.com without the text delays?"

Meta Andrew T.

09:33

"how can I use ChatGPT without providing my phone number?"

Journeyman Geek

......

Well I guess that's ONE way to get traffic...

SPArcheon

10:12

ok...and since by now you should know that I am totally crazy....

let's see what happens when we throw CHEF in the mix....

Andreas detests AI hype

11:07

@Tinkeringbell I hate when typos and spelling errors become a permanent part of interfaces. It is painful to work with.

Bart

11:41

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack nice try.

Feeds

12:08

stackoverflow.blog/2023/06/16/…

M.A.R.

@Feeds The Tavern 182: self-oneboxing chat message

SPArcheon

12:28

I am starting to wonder if this is the April Fool / Winter Bash toy posted months later.

4

Journeyman Geek

Plot twist...

the AFD prank works better

Andreas detests AI hype

@Bart Ehm, hello, @Cody?

Tinkeringbell

Nope. Those are two different pairs of glasses :P

Andreas detests AI hype

Oh, that’s great. You can combine them for extra good vision for the spider.

Bart

13:00

@AndreasdetestsAIhype yes it is I, Cody

But don't tell anyone else

Andreas detests AI hype

13:11

@Bart Oh, nice, but that wasn’t enough snark.

SPArcheon

@AndreasdetestsAIhype baby snark du du du du baby snark du du du du baby snark du du du du baby snark!

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

13:37

@Bart I'm still waiting by the way.

Andreas detests AI hype

@SPArcheon Nei, jeg er ikke en beibisnorker.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

Anyhow... the editor in me is tempted to edit this and move all the updates to the bottom, in table or list format. Or at least some format. But I'm both on strike, and don't want to touch it.

@AndreasdetestsAIhype Cody is the mod version of Bart.

SPArcheon

@AndreasdetestsAIhype Argh, you reminded me of these...

Elements in Space

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack and format the dates consistently.

SPArcheon

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

13:40

@ElementsinSpace yeah, this too. Wish those were the only problems with that post, lol.

Andreas detests AI hype

@SPArcheon Cute.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@AndreasdetestsAIhype unless generated by AI. ;)

SPArcheon

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack sadly those existed.

Tinkeringbell

Snorkels!

aynber

@SPArcheon Ah, signs of my childhood

SPArcheon

13:43

Even Pandamonium was better than that one.

Tinkeringbell

Those were great when I was a kid :D

aynber

Underwater answer to the smurfs

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@SPArcheon of course.

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

14:20

And for the daily riddle. Is this real, or was it generated by some AI?

;)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Yes

aynber

Botched botox

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

@JourneymanGeek wrong! :D

@aynber just dozens of those, yes. lol

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Its neither real nor generated by AI? :D

Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

But really, she looks like AI generated thing. ;)

@JourneymanGeek oh. Trolled. You win! :P

M.A.R.

18:05

With the strike, meta.SE's main page has become quite entertaining

冥王 Hades

19:08

Really feeling the urge to post a few questions and answers but I’m not going to

Feeds

21:08

If I'm not going to upgrade to a powered one, I should at LEAST stop leaving the door open so often.

M.A.R.

22:44

"Please come up with guidelines to get rid of the many irresponsible users then." - we need ninjas. A lot of ninjas. — Gimby 9 hours ago

@冥王Hades why? The strike isn't about posts, it's about moderating posts. Or if you're afraid that your idea would be unpopular, we could discuss it here with no rep at stake and maybe even once you've chiseled it into something postable, you could post it on main

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Q: Should stack overflow's moderator terms be changed?

So I've been banned for a day from asking any questions on stack overflow. I understand the purposes behind this and I agree with it. However, in this case I have been treated unfairly. My question was deleted by user deceze, so I contacted stack moderators and asked them to just have a word wi...

discussion

Hahah I like this one. Going for the nuclear option

Maybe change just one mod that has literally poured their soul onto this site for years because you don't like them? Nah, the whole team should be replaced

Woohoo happy hour

echoes awkwardly

@M.A.R. *term

Elements in Space

23:17

@M.A.R. . . . awkwardly.

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