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starball

00:30

that's a lot of spam :0

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@JourneymanGeek are you planning to join the strike?

@KevinB we can still downvote :')

Stop spamming please — Starship is go for launch 6 mins ago

spammers gonna spam

Journeyman Geek

00:59

@starball if there's one, yup

starball

@JourneymanGeek o7

Andreas detests censorship

01:55

@Starshipisgoforlaunch SD was so happy for your gratitude, it decided to award you with a stream of gifts.

Feeds

04:46

stackoverflow.blog/2023/06/02/phd-program-startup-career

Shadow The Spring Wizard

05:25

@starball love the "please". lol

Like saying to a thief you just noticed stealing something "Hi there, please don't steal". :D

IRL, sure way to get stabbed, or worse. Here just waste of time and key strokes. ;)

@M.A.R. how many legs?

Meta Andrew T.

@Feeds Beautifying a blog with a onebox

Tinkeringbell

06:18

@Andreasdetestscensorship Then have fun breaking a lot and achieving nothing.

Shadow The Spring Wizard

06:40

Strike won't make SE change their mind or direction, no matter how well it's organized.

Do not like new buttons

07:10

I don't like the new vote buttons. Is that really true that Stack Exchange' staffs spend time on unusable design INSTEAD OF SOLVING IMPORTANT COMMUNITY PROBLEMS?

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@Donotlikenewbuttons yes

And no worry vast majority of the users don't like those buttons.

This, along with banning ChatGPT detectors, and more things, led to a cross network strike of moderators and users, coming soon.

rene

@JNat NSFW profile: stackexchange.com/users/28733971

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@rene only one account

rene

Yep, still ...

Do not like new buttons

07:54

BUG! When I downvote the answer and get 99 rep, and I try to view the vote count I getting notification with null message.

It shows null

ctrl.vi/i/rwA7PtP9l

tested with this answer

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A: We are graduating the updated button styling for vote arrows

If StackExchange wants to increase voting, I encourage StackExchange to actively encourage kindness across its network (and the world) and explain why upvoting is a kind thing to do (and how unnecessary downvoting is a mean thing to do). I've noticed that quite a few prominent StackExchange users...

and this

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A: We are graduating the updated button styling for vote arrows

I would like that the experiment included a measure on comments, specifically if there is more comments and if comments including content like '+/-1'. That would make also something that doesn't affect the likeness of the votes themselves (after all they scream "USE ME"), but also what actions th...

rene

@Donotlikenewbuttons post on Meta, we're not a bug channel.

Do not like new buttons

@rene okay... but I don't want to got downvoted

Lundin

@Donotlikenewbuttons Why would anyone down vote you just for reporting a bug? Just keep the bug report civil and to the point.

Do not like new buttons

@Lundin My english is not good...

Tinkeringbell

Well you have two choices, either post or don't, but rene was right that this is not the proper place.

No developers come in here looking for bugs to fix.

If you're not wanting to post, then don't. You'll have to wait until someone else runs into the same bug and does.

Lundin

08:10

@Donotlikenewbuttons That would be a general issue no matter what/where you post. Proof read and use spell checkers in the browser?

rene

@Donotlikenewbuttons then post on your per-site meta. Bugs can be reported anywhere and on your per-site meta downvotes don't affect your rep, if that is your main concern about the downvotes. And you can post in a language that matches your main site. Users might still feel the bug is a corner case that only effects a low number of users that no-one wants developers to spend time on it. That might lead to downvotes as well.

Do not like new buttons

already posted

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Q: Bug with the total votes count

When I downvote on this answer, I got 99 reputation on MSE. As you know, by reaching 100 rep you can see the vote count totals. So, I downvoted the answer, and I got 99 reputation. I did'nt reloaded the page after (I know, it will help, but I want to report this bug). So then I trying to see the ...

my first question

Can some moderator please change my name to Peter Kolosov?

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@rene SO mods would likely handle it faster, and can nuke or reset the profile. No?

@Lundin many bug reports get downvoted. Sometimes because people don't think it's really a bug, sometimes because it's too minor, sometimes because it's just about something people don't like in general. Nothing is safe from downvotes, only way to avoid them for sure is not posting.

Which is fair, nobody is forcing anyone to post anything.

rene

@ShadowTheSpringWizard yeah, I have mixed results with editing the profile, it doesn't propagate to the network profile consistently.

@Donotlikenewbuttons I gave it an edit and changed some tags.

Shadow The Spring Wizard

08:25

@rene probably due to the change that stopped auto synch. But with only one profile, think it would still synch there.

Do not like new buttons

@rene good

Shadow The Spring Wizard

rene is good, no doubt.

2

haha fits

Do not like new buttons

lol

Shadow The Spring Wizard

ping pong

Do not like new buttons

thank you

Shadow The Spring Wizard

08:32

waffles?

Do not like new buttons

cookies

Shadow The Spring Wizard

privacy

Do not like new buttons

glasses

Mithical

May 29 at 16:50, by SmokeDetector

Just remember, I'm not a toy.

Do not like new buttons

@Mithical Just joke

Shadow The Spring Wizard

08:44

Like good chocolate, better eat only a little every time so it lasts longer. ;)

Well if you want pure fun bots, there are a couple in Den. :D

Do not like new buttons

@ShadowTheSpringWizard Den... What? :D

Lundin

Poor smokey... people used to respect him more back in the days when he was just a harmless unicorn.

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@Donotlikenewbuttons check the lobby, you'll see it.

The dark room, with a warning sign on its door. :P

Going to take kids from school, if you find my Den, don't forget to say hi. ;)

Do not like new buttons

interesting ;D

Lundin

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Smoke rising from casino, a fire in the sky, potentially caused by a flare gun at Lake Geneva, Montreux.

Andreas detests censorship

11:56

@ShadowTheSpringWizard If that's the case, at least we'll know for sure that we don't need to put any more effort into the site. It's be good for our mental health.

If the company fails to meet our demands, we are only skipping forward to our end which would have arrived eventually, anyway; the time forward to that end would have contained nothing but abuse of us.

@Tinkeringbell We have no other realistic course of action. If we achieve nothing, that is on SE; it is then their decision to push us away once and for all.

We will then be free to move on, and leave SE behind.

Tinkeringbell

That sounds like a complicated rage-quit to me. You can already walk away, no need to announce a 'strike'

Andreas detests censorship

You may label it as that, if you wish. However, I am not alone in this matter; you should ask for the opinions of others, and why they engage in the strike, before drawing a conclusion.

But I do intend to return if they meet our demands. I do not want to leave SE.

This is the community which I prefer.

Shadow The Spring Wizard

12:32

@Lundin ?

@Andreasdetestscensorship that is correct, and reason why I would join, maybe not officially, i.e. just stop being active on the sites.

@Andreasdetestscensorship problem is, there's endless pool of new users. SE might dig for some sensible people from there, make them mods, and keep going.

@Tinkeringbell strike isn't rage quit at all. Rage quit is when you're directly doing damage, e.g. deleting stuff.

And strike has a goal, to achieve something, then the one striking will be back.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheSpringWizard Announcing anyone can start posting crap/misbehaving without a chance of being moderated is also directly doing damage.

Shadow The Spring Wizard

Usually people won't come back from rage quit.

Lundin

@ShadowTheSpringWizard Not into rock music much are you? :)

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@Lundin loved it as teenager. ;) (but was never really "into" it, no.)

@Tinkeringbell no it's not. If there are no mods, people will notice, whether it's announced or not.

Lundin

@ShadowTheSpringWizard There's this little piece called Smoke on the Water, as spotted by SmokeDetector.

Shadow The Spring Wizard

12:38

@Lundin so smoke in the air isn't detected? ;)

Lundin

@ShadowTheSpringWizard The fire in the sky.

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@Andreasdetestscensorship that's my boy! :D

@Lundin oh wait, we need a different bot for that....

Andreas detests censorship

@Tinkeringbell See the other response to this; even then, that is the consequence both SE and the community, must accept, for SE's actions. For the community, a sacrifice must be made to eventually win. For SE? They got themselves into this.

Tinkeringbell

You still seem to believe, after all this, that 'sacrificing' anything will actually help. It won't, as the things you would be 'sacrificing' (like having a site with quality posts) are already thrice dead and if not, will be soon with that policy.

Andreas detests censorship

@Tinkeringbell Then let it be a wake-up call for everybody, including myself. If it really is as you say, we have no future here anyway; we may as well leave immediately.

Shadow The Spring Wizard

12:51

@Andreasdetestscensorship we may indeed.

Lundin

Come to Codidact, we have cookies (cookie pop-ups?).

M.A.R.

@ShadowTheSpringWizard uh . . .

profusely sweating

searching databases for the number of legs in normal humans remaining normal humans

F-five?

Andreas detests censorship

@Lundin I'm hungry. Serve milk too.

Lundin

@Andreasdetestscensorship Umm.... cooking.codidact.com ?

Andreas detests censorship

@Lundin But that requires me to cook it myself, doesn't it?

I'm lazy.

Shadow The Spring Wizard

12:59

@Lundin I eat too much cookies anyway..... D:

Lundin

@ShadowTheSpringWizard Never accept all offered cookies.

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@M.A.R. oh no. you should get rid of that fifth leg, it's fake.

It looks like a leg, it feels like a leg, but it's not a leg.

@Andreasdetestscensorship only milk with 30% fat.

@Lundin dang! you should have told me that when I was a kid.

:P

(I was actually a fat kid. ;))

Actually, I've never accepted SE cookies. And proud of that. :D

Andreas detests censorship

@ShadowTheSpringWizard I only drink whole milk.

@ShadowTheSpringWizard I did once, by mistake.

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@Andreasdetestscensorship straight from the cow?

@Andreasdetestscensorship so create a new account, yours is infected now! :P

Feeds

stackoverflow.blog/2023/06/02/…

Meta Andrew T.

13:07

@Feeds The battle for your onebox in blog

Andreas detests censorship

@ShadowTheSpringWizard Straight from a Norwegian milk bottle.

@ShadowTheSpringWizard New computer, too?

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@Andreasdetestscensorship sounds about the same as a cow. :D

@Andreasdetestscensorship nah, just run format command. ;)

Lundin

@ShadowTheSpringWizard It is just as normal cows but they are excellent at skiing.

Shadow The Spring Wizard

13:24

Cow skiing... must see it...

Lundin

I'd link a gif, but I'm not sure if fun is allowed in this chat.

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@Lundin allowed to some extent, and under the CoC, yeah. ;)

i.e. we shouldn't flood with fun pics or memes, but one or two are just fine.

Lundin

Norwegian cow: media.tenor.com/8T8V6X10zf0AAAAC/cow-snowboarding.gif

Andreas detests censorship

@ShadowTheSpringWizard Oh, good idea. I’m excited to see what it does. :D

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@Lundin would make a good stir fried meat. :D

@Andreasdetestscensorship it would make you happy and feel good. ;)

user1301875

14:13

hi

rene

\o

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@SineoftheTime ho

user1301875

how are you

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@SineoftheTime fine ty

So, @Sin, wanted to ask something? Or are you just looking around? ;)

hoping Sin did not commit any sin

user1301875

just looking around

Shadow The Spring Wizard

14:22

@SineoftheTime OK, just beware @M.A.R, he has three kidneys.

user1301875

sounds scary

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@SineoftheTime it is! But hey, at least he's human. I think. :D

18 hours ago, by M.A.R.

I remain a human run by a human brain and three human kidneys

M.A.R.

@ShadowTheSpringWizard there are indicators that you are harming the participation of individuals in this chat.

Shadow The Spring Wizard

Soon enough, we'll have only AI bots here.

Andreas detests censorship

@ShadowTheSpringWizard Aw, I'm sure. :)

Shadow The Spring Wizard

14:23

@M.A.R. no way! I'm just helping them see the truth. :P

Andreas detests censorship

@Lundin I can confirm that's me.

user1301875

despite being tavern on the meta, seems a dead chat

Andreas detests censorship

I can ensure you that this chat is not much dead. :P

M.A.R.

@ShadowTheSpringWizard Community is the future of Tavern.

Andreas detests censorship

@M.A.R. Ew. But also, that works.

user1301875

14:24

any mathematician here? I'm from MSE

M.A.R.

@SineoftheTime correction: It's often a graveyard. Different.

Either that or an observatory for Smokey messages

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@M.A.R. you mean community built of bots, run by bots?

@SineoftheTime actually this is MSE. Meta Stack Exchange. ;)

But no, I'm afraid you're in the wrong place for that.

M.A.R.

@ShadowTheSpringWizard no humans, or other distractions. No chit-chat.

Shadow The Spring Wizard

No chat on Math.SE? @Sine

M.A.R.

@SineoftheTime I once calculated the number of minutes in a day. I think I'm more than qualified.

user1301875

14:27

@ShadowTheSpringWizard yes, but it's more animated during night

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@M.A.R. surely they'll violate the CoC soon enough.

user1301875

@M.A.R. sure

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@M.A.R. 42

@SineoftheTime animated?

user1301875

I'm from Europe and probably the difference is due to time zone

M.A.R.

@ShadowTheSpringWizard pfft. Clearly you are not a mathematician good sir. Sips Lipton tea

Pfft. Pfft. Damn tea leaves

Shadow The Spring Wizard

14:28

@SineoftheTime yeah, here it's now day (5:30 pm) and in USA it's around 7:30.

And far east, it's night.

user1301875

sure

M.A.R.

Sure

user1301875

4:30 pm here

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@M.A.R. find a sink!

:D

@SineoftheTime Greece?

user1301875

italy

user1301875

14:29

you?

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@SineoftheTime Israel

M.A.R.

searches for a joke about pizza

Shadow The Spring Wizard

Heat record was broken today, over 40 celcius in most places in Israel.

M.A.R.

Because you know hehehe Italy and pizza snort I'm hilarious

Mithical

@M.A.R. something something pasta

M.A.R.

14:30

@ShadowTheSpringWizard selciuc

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@M.A.R. yeah seeing people laugh at their own jokes is indeed hilarious. :D

Mithical

→ 3 messages moved to Trashcan

→ 1 message moved to Trashcan

that's not a debate we're going to settle here

Shadow The Spring Wizard

Hopefully was just joking around, can't know.

M.A.R.

Can't we just sip our Lipton tea and spit tea leaves in peace

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@M.A.R. those leaves aren't what you think they are.

They were used by Adam and Eve.

M.A.R.

14:33

checks the bottom of glass

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@M.A.R. that's sugar down there, no worry.

M.A.R.

Nah too small.

Shadow The Spring Wizard

I do wonder, what happened to the leaves used by Adam and Eve back in the Garden of Eden?

Did God take them and keeps them to this day somewhere?

Did they replace the leaf every day?

going to Religion.SE

Andreas detests censorship

@M.A.R. No chit-chat? What about the conversational layer?

M.A.R.

I can barely keep track of my own hygiene let alone the first humans

Shadow The Spring Wizard

14:35

@Andreasdetestscensorship that's kit-kat

@M.A.R. it's not about hygiene, it's to get rid of the snake lurking there.

Andreas detests censorship

@ShadowTheSpringWizard Ew.

M.A.R.

@Andreasdetestscensorship that's even worse than vanilla. I usually just eat the chocolate

@ShadowTheSpringWizard jinx

user1301875

@andreas do you like censorship?

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@M.A.R. jeans

sigh, time to block I guess. Sad there are such people still around.

feels better now

Kevin B

🚽

M.A.R.

14:38

@KevinB no, they only had leaves then

Shadow The Spring Wizard

Note to self: be less welcoming to newcomers here.

M.A.R.

Everyone is a newcomer. -- Ghandi

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@Glorfindel you don't follow the new mod CoC/agreement?

@M.A.R. not me, I was born old.

M.A.R.

He's doing the right thing, busy winning unicorn marathons and slaying balrogs

Glorfindel

that was a spammer, given the profile

Shadow The Spring Wizard

14:41

@Glorfindel but the answer was clearly AI generated.

M.A.R.

@ShadowTheSpringWizard Benjamin Button?

Glorfindel

I deleted it because it's a low quality contribution.

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@M.A.R. no no, the red button.

@Glorfindel heh, I'm with you. But hope it will hold when... time will come.

Though it's less important here, they'll more likely protect their precious AI answers mainly on SO.

Battling all the mods while doing it.

(well, I hope all the mods.)

Andreas detests censorship

15:01

@SineoftheTime Not at all.

@ShadowTheSpringWizard Huh?

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@Andreasdetestscensorship small button that makes life easier.

Andreas detests censorship

@ShadowTheSpringWizard Yeah, that doesn’t explain anything. I’m too busy for riddles now.

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@Andreasdetestscensorship well there's option to ignore users in chat, so I've used it.

Anything they say simply disappear. ;)

Kevin B

15:28

blocking users is a very effective tool

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@KevinB pity it doesn't exist on the sites themselves.

Choose to not see posts and comments by specific user, not get notifications when they post comments or answers under your posts, etc.

But I think even WhatsApp doesn't have such feature.

Or does it?

Kevin B

i wouldn't use such a feature on the q&a side

too much fun to be had there

Shadow The Spring Wizard

15:44

@KevinB you can always see it in the profile of the one you block. ;)

@M.A.R and @Mith buying a @Big frying @Pan on a distant @star without violating the @CoC

runs away

Andreas detests censorship

That’s a lot of pings.

@ShadowTheSpringWizard No idea who you’d wanna ignore. No trace of it in the chat.

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@Andreasdetestscensorship nah, not even 200

@Andreasdetestscensorship there is little bit still here, the trash was already moved out.

cocomac

16:00

@ShadowTheSpringWizard Waves hello

user1301875

@cocomac hi

Shadow The Spring Wizard

waves back at @coco

cocomac

Hello!

Do not like new buttons

Please change my account name to my real!

Seriously!

M.A.R.

@Donotlikenewbuttons what's in it for me

Do not like new buttons

16:15

@M.A.R. It's appeal for moderators, not you...

Kevin B

why can't you change it

M.A.R.

Because (s)he has to use the new buttons

Do not like new buttons

@KevinB I'm trying to set new name, and I got:

Kevin B

maybe shoulda thought about that before changing it, ;)

Do not like new buttons

@M.A.R. Nope

Kevin B

16:17

there is a loophole though

related to the "save for all communities" option

cocomac

Ask a mod?

Do not like new buttons

@cocomac ? I asked, no reaction

cocomac

I meant as a loophole (in response to @KevinB). You could try a custom flag... but IDK if mods will do it or not

Do not like new buttons

@KevinB If I will change only name then will the profile description copied to all sites or no?

Kevin B

yes, but the loophole is if you have a community where you haven't recently changed your name, you can use that community to again change your name, but that loophole only works once every 30 days

(i'm not sure if joining a new community would give you another chance)

cocomac

16:22

@KevinB TIL

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@Donotlikenewbuttons well you never pinged a mod, so maybe no mod saw it. Usually @Journeyman would change name if asked to.

@KevinB they fixed that loophole at some point, but there's still a tiny hole, when it's private beta.

Journeyman Geek

The moderator you are attempting to reach has a very upset stomach. Please make your request in very small, simple to follow words promptly before I go back to sleep

I actually only logged in to keep my streak :D

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@JourneymanGeek please. change. this user name. To. Peter Kolosov.

Do not like new buttons

wat

wat wat

wat wat wat

Shadow The Spring Wizard

;)

Do not like new buttons

16:26

@ShadowTheSpringWizard Yeeees please

Journeyman Geek

Ok done, it might take a while to propogate

Shadow The Spring Wizard

9 months?

Do not like new buttons

@ShadowTheSpringWizard LOL

Shadow The Spring Wizard

:D

Journeyman Geek

@PeterKolosov done

Shadow The Spring Wizard

16:28

huh looks like our devoted mod also kicked your chat profile, @Pet ;)

hmm @Don was better. :(

Peter Kolosov

@JourneymanGeek Thank you

Journeyman Geek

Yup

I kicked the chat profile here

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@JourneymanGeek Karate?

Peter Kolosov

@JourneymanGeek What it means?

Shadow The Spring Wizard

So what happened to your stomach? @Journeyman

Something you are, or the stress due what's going on?

Journeyman Geek

16:29

@ShadowTheSpringWizard I ate something that disagreed with me

naw

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@JourneymanGeek ouch, having a downvote inside the stomach is bad.

Journeyman Geek

Apparently the place we had dinner at yesterday was a little dodgy

Shadow The Spring Wizard

@JourneymanGeek doggy?

Journeyman Geek

dodgy

Shadow The Spring Wizard

dod-gy

Journeyman Geek

16:31

We were visiting temples and dad was... "... you look like hell, you're going back to the hotel and resting"

Peter Kolosov

@JourneymanGeek What it means? I don't understand. My browser tabs with chat rooms are simply reloaded

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheSpringWizard rofl If I ever get physically Ill due to SE stress, I'm out

@PeterKolosov the chat profile dosen't update 'automatically'

there's a way to get it to update 'manually'

Peter Kolosov

@JourneymanGeek what way?

Journeyman Geek

uhhh

basically tell it to update.

its not really important unless your chat username isn't synced with your main username

Peter Kolosov

well I changed also my profile picture and it's not reloading

@Journeyman Sorry if I waste your time

cocomac

16:35

@PeterKolosov Obligatory

Peter Kolosov

@cocomac What

cocomac

Look at the domain name ;)

Peter Kolosov

@cocomac Yo-Wo It seems to be updated now! Just caching.

Hooray!

Hoo-Ray! Hoo-Ray! Hoo-Ray!

Thank you @Journey, I appreciate it!

@ShadowTheSpringWizard You can call me as pet. ;D

Shadow The Spring Wizard

16:53

@JourneymanGeek someone from SE once said that's exactly what happens to some staff members after taking part in Meta... ;(

@JourneymanGeek it is, up to one hour after the change.

Automatically, but with a delay.

cocomac

Grumbles Solid black isn't exactly I was hoping for with the new voting buttons when a post was upvoted (on MSO)...

It is more contrast, though

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