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> A spider, an eight-legged arachnid that spins a web. Depicted as a common black spider, as a house spider or funnel-web spider, often shown from above with its large abdomen oriented at the bottom.

starball

@ShadowTheKidWizard ooh. but I can't change display name until dec 6th 'xD I just renamed recently

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@starball why search if I posted a link? ;)

Well my case is odd, first time I heard it was in my kids game, so at some point I looked for it myself, and got hooked. :P

starball

*correction. actively performed an action to listen to it.

@ShadowTheKidWizard ic. what game?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

They have this game where they hear a song (usually old) and need to move character only on white stripes, or something like that.

@starball ^

@starball well not relevant since @Dial refuse to cooperate. ;-(

starball

8:59 AM

*bobs head

Shadow The Kid Wizard

So I'll have to think of a different name, didn't change for a while. :D

Must contain Shadow, and better also have Wizard, but less vital.

starball

is "kid" a vital part?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@starball nope. That was the seasonal name.

starball

ic

Shadow The Kid Wizard

My mother sent me this picture, so that name popped into my head, to have along with the picture as avatar. ;)

starball

9:02 AM

Here's a song I've been listening to recently: "1" (opening theme for mob psycho 100 (an anime)) youtu.be/PB4VaN_qV3Q

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@starball that's very original name

How's their "2"? ;)

starball

*xbox would like to know your location

yeesh names these days are all one word

why can't we have super long names

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@starball like my name? ;)

starball

like "shadow the kid wizard"

@ShadowTheKidWizard my punchline >:(

Shadow The Kid Wizard

:D

punching @star's line

starball

9:06 AM

@JourneymanGeek does punching my line qualify as animal abuse? Does shadow need to fill out forms now?

I'm excited for winter bash

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@starball you're a ball travelling between stars, that's not recognized as animal by the animal organizations. :D

starball

this will be my first one

DialFrost

@starball what now?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@starball make sure to bring a towel

starball

winter-bash

Shadow The Kid Wizard

9:08 AM

winter-punch

starball

winter-bash-2021

Shadow The Kid Wizard

status-old

starball

@ShadowTheKidWizard :O what for?

@ShadowTheKidWizard darnit

Shadow The Kid Wizard

hmm that's odd now I realize @SPArcheon still didn't start nagging balpha or Yaakov about winter bash. ;)

starball

what is there to nag about?

and why does SPArcheon usually do it?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

9:10 AM

@starball suggest hats, ask why old domain and scripts still up, and when new domain and scripts will be active.

starball

@ShadowTheKidWizard ah. I'd like a hat to incentivise close vote queue reviewers. but I don't know anything about what makes a good hat.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@starball nothing, that's the beauty of it. Hat hunter should not think of "good hats" or "bad hats", just hunt for any possible hat.

Some are easy to get, some are not.

!!/hats

SmokeDetector

@ShadowTheKidWizard No such command 'hats'.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

hmm there used to be, years ago. :/

starball

came across this post today: Winter Bash encourages bad behavior *adds to "non-existent considered-harmful writeup list"

Shadow The Kid Wizard

9:16 AM

Dec 31, 2018 at 23:19, by SmokeDetector

@Rob Winter Bash won't end for 2 days, 0 hours, 40 minutes, and 20 seconds. GO EARN SOME HATS!

So they killed the command four years ago.

Since then it's just "command not found".

starball

what did it do?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@starball just told when the event starts or ends.

Probably keeping it up to date, i.e. writing the dates in some static string, was too much work for the developers, who prefer to work on bugs, so I can understand.

Quite the same as SE, who gives maybe 1% time for feature requests. lol

starball

@ShadowTheKidWizard lmao

@ShadowTheKidWizard where does the other 99% go?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@ShadowTheKidWizard When clicking the button you get the following message: "We are not able to provide support for your Facebook account. Please visit the Facebook Help Center for assistance."

Enterprise in its best.

tripleee

flag-pls spam raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/140032/…

Shadow The Kid Wizard

9:26 AM

If I was a client, such thing would annoy me a lot. If you can't help with something, don't suggest to help with it, really simple. lol

@tripleee k

@starball of the time spent by SE developers? Bugs.

I mean those rare cases when they work on MSE bugs and requests.

99.999% of the overall development time is spent on their internal projects.

starball

@ShadowTheKidWizard wow-this-is-useless.png

Shadow The Kid Wizard

I think it's over a month since they fixed a bug reported on MSE.

starball

@ShadowTheKidWizard :O what are those?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@starball we can't know, it's internal. ;)

My guess is mostly Teams, being their main money maker these days.

Sometimes features they add to Teams leak to the public codebase, making weird bugs. :D

starball

I've been curious about that recently (how they make money)

@ShadowTheKidWizard lol

Shadow The Kid Wizard

9:32 AM

I'd love to think they also work on improving existing features like Saves, but I doubt it.

After fixing its critical bugs, it's done and sealed.

starball

I've been trying to look at data on close reasons and post views to see if there's anything interesting that could be used to try to make in-money-terms convincing argument to try to address certain types of close-worthy questions.

@ShadowTheKidWizard sad

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@starball yup

starball

Here's the SEDE query I've been working on.

If you sort by average views, average daily views, and average score, of the closed questions with reasons that I understand (some are null and I don't know why), Unclear questions are consistently the worst.

SPArcheon

@ShadowTheKidWizard To be fair, with the current world state, I'm kinda on the "skip" wagon this year.

starball

I wish SEDE had info on views for deleted questions and on specific CloseAsOffTopicReasonTypes for closed questions. I upvoted the feature-requests asking for those.

@SPArcheon by world, do you mean "SE", or the actual world?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

9:36 AM

@SPArcheon hmm, this reminds me that was the case last year as well, no?

@starball actual world, Russia war probably.

starball

@ShadowTheKidWizard how does that influence your (non)desire for involvement in winter bash?

SPArcheon

@ShadowTheKidWizard It is already quite an heartache to not know what to say to old pals in a chat room that live in that country, always worrying about being silly when they probably have bigger issues on their mind, no need to add hats to the mix.

starball

@SPArcheon ah

Journeyman Geek

@starball lines are not animals. Maybe crimes of geometry

@DialFrost no. I savage ankles and spammers

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@starball it doesn't, but I do get why it can make people upset/depressed.

Seeing the lack of justice in the world and being unable to fight it.

starball

9:41 AM

@ShadowTheKidWizard whoops. I meant that comment to be a reply to SPArcheon. my bad

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@SPArcheon well, while I personally not sharing such view, I can understand that.

starball

@ShadowTheKidWizard powerful people and their "games" :(

I'm going to get ready for bed now. nite everyone!

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@starball I hope the bed will be ready for you. :D

incoming starball!!!

Mithical

10:57 AM

@ShadowTheKidWizard The command still exists, just commented out: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/… Someone would need to manually update the start and end dates.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JNat and another cross site spammer for you. Thanks!

@Mithical commented out means doesn't exist.

and like I said... manually updating requires time that nobody has, and it's fine.

It's just a bonus command without any real use.

tripleee

11:23 AM

spam closed by a mod, flag-pls some more? raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/140032/…

SPArcheon

12:44 PM

@ShadowTheKidWizard worth also noticing that it can go horribly wrong if they have the bad idea to recycle some very specific hats. Pretty sure someone would start a flame war about Matryoshka.

just a quick reminder, will ya?

76

Q: This star on the Warm Welcome hat looks like a communist symbol

I've just earned the "Warm Welcome hat" and the red star on it looks like a communist symbol. I associate this symbol on this particular hat closely with many atrocities against my country: Poland, as well as Czechia, Hungary, Slovakia, Ukraine and many others from inside the Iron Curtain. I h...

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@SPArcheon yeah, they most likely will have at least one hat with something to do with some country, can't really avoid that when people looking beneath any possible stone to find such things and burn SE down for that. But hopefully like in the above case, they'll also fix it after it would be reported.

SPArcheon

@ShadowTheKidWizard to be fair... it would be very easy to avoid?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@SPArcheon nope.

SPArcheon

doesn't really seem that hard to choose hats that can't be related to recent politics/world events.

just go for silly ones.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Well the above hat might be obvious but I'm sure there are things that aren't common knowledge and related to specific countries.

SPArcheon

12:57 PM

@ShadowTheKidWizard It would be appropriate to argue over an hat that is clearly associated to some military corp (see for example the Cobol one), a tad less to argue over a country well known craft (Matryoshka) and even less to go arguing that "the uncle of the son of the second grade sister of the cousin of [insert horrible figure here] once posed for an ads that loosely looks like this bread toaster hat, so this is clearly inappropriate".

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@SPArcheon yeah, I talk mainly on the last one, it's impossible to know in advance what people might find.

Or what people will take offense from, it's not always just politics.

Journeyman Geek

tbh

not having that hat is commonsensical this year.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek sure, we're talking about other hats that might trigger same problem.

SPArcheon

@ShadowTheKidWizard yep, but apparently we don't even need to get THAT far into borderline trolling since we are perfectly able to stumble even on the first common sense scenario

Shadow The Kid Wizard

plz-close-and-delete Update Statistics already off the homepage so small chance of it to get naturally closed/deleted any time soon.

Journeyman Geek

1:14 PM

@ShadowTheKidWizard taken care of

Yaakov Ellis

@ShadowTheKidWizard thank you

Journeyman Geek

hm

I think I need to keep an eye on that question ._.

also, they keep trotting out the 1.8 billion dollar number

the company isn't sitting on a giant load of cash. Its what prosus felt was a fair price for the potential of the company

Yaakov Ellis

1:36 PM

And do they not understand that that money went to the shareholders of the company. It is not like the company is now sitting on $1.8B of cash...

Journeyman Geek

yup

Heck, some probably went into the coffers of my government. (THEY MADE MONEY FOR ONCE YAY)

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Nope, it's the billionaire that bought things that is sitting on the pile. Everyone knows billionaires are billionaires because they have that much cash lying around in an old sock :P

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell it must be a very big sock

g3rv4

@ShadowTheKidWizard ugh, I only now realized I had a red thingy on my topbar... o/

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell wait

SE got bought by a dragon? :D

#YOUCANTHANDLETHETRUTH #IWELCOMEOURLIZARDMONSTERMASTERS

Tinkeringbell

1:48 PM

@JourneymanGeek I mean, some companies/billionaires do hoard, but I think it's kinda unfair to compare those to the noble beasts that are dragons ;)

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek thanks!

@YaakovEllis hi! Well, just saying what's on my mind, as usual. :)

@YaakovEllis sadly that's what people think, but even so, it doesn't justify that "big eyes" attitude.

@g3rv4 uh oh. Don't tell me you pressed the red button?!

Yaakov Ellis

@ShadowTheKidWizard A different perspective might be: in the current economy, when every other tech company is having layoffs and cuts, it's really cool that you could do this, for any amount

Shadow The Kid Wizard

running away in terror before everything explodes

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard and frankly if SE had actually that kinda money lying around, I'd be a lot grumpier at them :D

g3rv4

@ShadowTheKidWizard if I see a red button, I can't help it (I would be a great president)

Shadow The Kid Wizard

1:53 PM

@JourneymanGeek lol but you wouldn't know it. ;)

Journeyman Geek

rather than trying to pick away at small wins (and tbh, them donating again isn't a 'small' win, its a pretty big one)

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@g3rv4 haha, I know a place where you can actually get elected! :P

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard maybe!

g3rv4

@ShadowTheKidWizard lol I'm more of a mastodon unelected ruler :P

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@YaakovEllis yes, that's interesting point of view I didn't think about. Maybe worth adding answer and include such things, so some people might change their mind.

Journeyman Geek

1:55 PM

@YaakovEllis tbh, I think most of them as companies have far less sympathy than I have for the folks here :D . People naturally... losing your job is a terrible thing ._.

facebook invested poorly, twitter is run by a ... twitterer....

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@g3rv4 so, how are you? I saw a bug related to missing translations, in pt.stackoverflow, anything you can do to help fix?

Journeyman Geek

actually I'd almost say some of the same mistakes SE made in the past, and hopefully leanrnt from

Yaakov Ellis

@ShadowTheKidWizard I have decided to just not answer any of the folks there. Not worth it, and I'll just end up being regretful about putting time into this initiative

g3rv4

@ShadowTheKidWizard I didn't see that! can you point me there? I may be able to help

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@YaakovEllis oh, I mean post actual answer, not reply to specific comments.

Journeyman Geek

1:56 PM

@YaakovEllis tbh - the healthiest thing is let the angry ones get angrier, and watch the fireworks

Shadow The Kid Wizard

2

Q: The Portuguese Stack Overflow settings page has some untranslated text

Some of the content in the user page on pt.stackoverflow.com is not localized. Here's the text I noticed: In the Profile Pane You don’t have a gold badge yet. Write an answer that scores 100 or more to earn your first. Browse questions In the Activity Pane You don’t have a gold badge yet. Writ...

bug localization preferences portuguese-stackoverflow

Journeyman Geek

Y'all did a right thing, and cough <expletives> them if its never good enough.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek do you need water? You doesn't sound very well. :P

Which reminds me, @Mith are you out of quarantine by now? Feeling well again?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard well, if it was cough explosions... I clearly overdid the chilli

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek lol

g3rv4

2:00 PM

@ShadowTheKidWizard that's not really a bug... it's just that no one translated those strings (that's something the communities can do using traducir.win). You can see the first untranslated string here

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@g3rv4 but who usually translate? The site users?

g3rv4

@ShadowTheKidWizard yup! people in the community are the ones that translate them :) that's why traducir.win was a community-led project

out of the community frustration with transifex

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Anyway since nobody took part in the daily riddle earlier, here is a new daily riddle! How old is the following cat?

Journeyman Geek

@g3rv4 who runs/owns/funds it?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@g3rv4 nice. Hope they'll fill the gaps soon. :)

g3rv4

2:06 PM

@JourneymanGeek it lives under my github username, it runs on my server (although it doesn't have any confidential info... so much so that the database backups are available to download publicly). I want to hand it over to Stack Overflow before leaving

Journeyman Geek

@g3rv4 wait, who ran it when you were not at SO

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek he did, of course.

g3rv4

@JourneymanGeek I did

at least I transferred the name to the company... so if I were to do something shady, they'd be able to break the DNS

Shadow The Kid Wizard

I remember that's what you mainly talked about here in the past. :D

g3rv4

heh, if you let me I'll talk mainly about mastodon here

Journeyman Geek

2:08 PM

@g3rv4 Well I doubt you would, but it seems like the sort of thing that would deserve a little more responsibility on the side of the company ._.

g3rv4

@JourneymanGeek :sigh:

Journeyman Geek

@g3rv4 I've got account off my browser vendor oddly enough. Still debating running my own

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@g3rv4 you have my permission. :D

Journeyman Geek

@g3rv4 I'll add it to my nag list :D

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Also, I understand this old comment is out of date then? @g3r

@ShadowWizard Translation is done by humans. We contract a company for it. We send them text in English, they send us back Portuguese. — Adam Lear ♦ Jul 22, 2014 at 15:05

Journeyman Geek

2:09 PM

Which might have caused a few people extra grey hairs.

g3rv4

@ShadowTheKidWizard it's out of date... that's something we did when we first launched the sites AFAIK (but I'm not 100% sure about that as I wasn't here when that happened)

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@g3rv4 huh. Is there any official documentation for your project at all?

g3rv4

@JourneymanGeek running a small one is def not a big hurdle

@ShadowTheKidWizard what kind of documentation are you after?

Journeyman Geek

@g3rv4 yeah, I've just been a lot more behind on personal projects than expected

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@g3rv4 two layers, one that would explain that's what being officially used, and one technical that explains how to use it.

g3rv4

2:11 PM

@JourneymanGeek the nice thing is that you can join one (highly recommend hachyderm.io) and move later, keeping your followers

Journeyman Geek

@g3rv4 oh, I already have one

on vivaldi's server

but its not something I am running myself

g3rv4

what's your handle?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek hosted by this nice person?

Journeyman Geek

@g3rv4 @journeymangeek@vivaldi.net

@ShadowTheKidWizard Oh, basically the folks who used to run opera made a new browser

Shadow The Kid Wizard

:)

Did he even compose opera?

g3rv4

2:13 PM

@ShadowTheKidWizard not really... I'm not super interested in writing documentation (and this was something I built on my personal time). here's the post I wrote on launch date (in Spanish) and here is the code. We also wrote things on the different international sites as we launched there

Journeyman Geek

dammnit Jim, I'm the journeyman geek, not a historian :D

Shadow The Kid Wizard

oh he did.

> Vivaldi also had some success with expensive stagings of his operas in Venice, Mantua and Vienna.

@g3rv4 hmm, I'll think of something then, perhaps. Is this used for all international sites?

g3rv4

@ShadowTheKidWizard it is

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Nice.

g3rv4

@ShadowTheKidWizard traducir.win links to the different variations

Shadow The Kid Wizard

2:16 PM

If it falls, what's the impact on SE? Just no new translations? @g3r

g3rv4

@ShadowTheKidWizard that's right

traducir.win pulls data from transifex and pushes data to transifex

Stack Overflow's build process pulls data from transifex and stores the translations on a database

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@g3rv4 I see. And the security stuff e.g. filtering out bad content, is done server side?

i.e. you can't know what people would put there, they might try XSRF and other nasty stuff.

g3rv4

@ShadowTheKidWizard no, users propose translations and mods are the ones that review it and approve it. Once it's approved, it makes it into Transifex

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@g3rv4 oh, didn't know about mods approval.

g3rv4

and translations aren't deemed secure, so they're escaped before being outputed

mods can just enter translations without anyone else approving them

Shadow The Kid Wizard

2:21 PM

Sounds fair.

g3rv4

<3

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Small ~~token~~ cup of coffee for gratitude. ;)

hmm think Kenny has command to actually thank people, let me see if it still works...

buh it's just generic :/

in Shadow's Den, 22 secs ago, by KennyBOT

@ShadowTheKidWizard thanks for for the help.

And having typo. :D

@rene ^^

SPArcheon

@ShadowTheKidWizard use the alternate version.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@SPArcheon unicorn?

SPArcheon

If my memory serves the syntax should be....

> @[user name here] thanks!

^ try this one, it should still work @ShadowTheKidWizard

tripleee

2:27 PM

SU one gone

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@SPArcheon nah, that's not a Kenny command.

Just looked in the code, turns out I can thank only someone who has been in the Den.

SPArcheon

sometime I really wonder if you don't get irony or if you are trying to prank me back.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

:P

SPArcheon

look at what I wrote and think how that would look..... I was just implying that it would be faster to thank them directly.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

yay! It works, but doesn't ping.

in Shadow's Den, 20 secs ago, by KennyBOT

@ShadowTheKidWizard thanks Mithical, starball for the help.

And can't find the reason why it put extra "for" when the array is empty.

if (userlist.length > 0) {
    bot.send(
    ':' +
    ce.message_id +
    ' thanks ' +
    userlist.join(', ') +
    ' for the help.');
    nextTime = new Date();
    nextTime.setMinutes(nextTime.getMinutes() + 6);
    ttw = nextTime;
    setTimeout(function () { silent = false; ttw = undefined }, util.minutes(8));
    silent = true;
}

That's the code ^

@SPArcheon thank... someone... directly... that's not elegant! :D

g3rv4

2:36 PM

huh... only if userlist is just ['for']

Shadow The Kid Wizard

So here I'm using coffee for that.

@g3rv4 yeah, but it can't be, it's populated with the names in the command line, if they match someone who ever visited Den.

This list

So when I originally tried with Yaakov, just as example, it didn't recognize him.

Well most likely the code was updated at later point and not copied back to glitch.com where I see it. :(

Mithical