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Quick question: can anyone access lensmarket.com? Local media article claims it's blocked only for Israel but looks like it's down for everyone, lol. If so, one of the worst journalists I've ever seen. ;)

Someone reported to the newspaper that many people from Israel started to buy there recently due to low prices, so when the site went down they just assumed that's the reason. (To block the Israeli people.)

Journeyman Geek

I'm gettting access denied

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Yeah, figured. The site just went down, lol.

Typical for Israeli mentality, to think everything is related to us.

It's not.

Oh, and of course the "victim mentality" which is the other side of the coin: thinking that every action done, is done to hurt us personally. Thinking about it, like those who whine about downvotes...

Hate this, but meh, that's my place and I can't change it. :/

Left snarky comment on the article, doubt it will be approved. :P

@Journeyman any reason the post about bookmarks next generation isn't featured?

Is there is, I'll retract my flag as well.

Journeyman Geek

10:28 AM

@ShadowTheKidWizard We've brought it up - give it a little time, there's a lot going on and the feature's not released yet

Shadow The Kid Wizard

But, it's huge change that affect the whole network, so can't see reason why not. Even getting positive score.

Journeyman Geek

Yup, we're quite aware

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek so maybe they plan "Push first, announce later", just softer?

Without having it featured, it's almost as they don't announce it.

Journeyman Geek

We're aware of that too

Shadow The Kid Wizard

It's fine for us on MSE, but chance for users of other sites to see it are very low.

@JourneymanGeek good! :)

!!/aware

SmokeDetector

10:29 AM

@ShadowTheKidWizard No such command 'aware'.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

:(

Journeyman Geek

I'm not disagreeing :D

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Pity, no ice cream. ;)

@rene anything we can agree to disagree on today?

@JourneymanGeek that's more often than me changing socks. :D

Journeyman Geek

ewwww

Shadow The Kid Wizard

hehe

At least chat doesn't get smelly over time! :P

taking a sock from @M.A.R.

@mousetail hi! You still have the star you got almost two years ago? ;-)

mousetail

10:37 AM

@ShadowTheKidWizard I do? I ran out of mental RAM several times since then

Shadow The Kid Wizard

So here it is:

in WB Starring Room, Dec 27, 2020 at 19:48, by mousetail

May I be starred?

Heh onebox doesn't show stars, but it has three. :D

mousetail

Oh right, that was for the chirstmas event

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Feature request? hmm...

mousetail

suprised you found it

lots of people asking for stars here then

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@mousetail lol, I'm good at... finding things. Not much beyond though. ;)

@mousetail Winter Bash

You got many hats?

Also, nice answer on SO, hour ago. :D

mousetail

10:40 AM

@ShadowTheKidWizard Not that many. A lot of them either involved a lot of grinding or where very luck based

Shadow The Kid Wizard

status-stalking-mode-ON

mousetail

At least you are stalking me in a place where I can stalk your stalking progress

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@mousetail like every time, yep. My record was 18, I think, in one of the early events.

Fun thing is, I wasn't really hunting for the hats, just did what I usually do.

mousetail

Also a lot of the lower tier hats actually look the best

Shadow The Kid Wizard

I got some super-hard-to-get secret hat by pure chance, think giving answer to question that changed score from negative to positive, for example.

Good old times! :D

mousetail

10:43 AM

Yep, those types are not hard just very luck based

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@mousetail not really, unless you can see my view history or browser history? ;)

mousetail

Same thing with the popular question badge. I'm mildly annoyed when I see a new person with 3 gold popular question badges while I had to spend hours in review queues to get the same effect

one day I'll post a popular question, one day

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@mousetail and remember a secret hat nobody figured how to get, turned out the trigger was posting answer on HNQ. (And get certain score, of course.)

Or was it posting question that turned HNQ? Not sure, lol.

@mousetail popular means just views, it's quite meaningless.

You mean Great? Score of 100 or more?

mousetail

@ShadowTheKidWizard That badge is fundamentally limited to just a handful of people then right? Only 1 HNQ per day per site right?

@ShadowTheKidWizard It's still a gold badge

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@mousetail yeah, but to get it you need something you can't possibly control in any way.

Unless of course you have 10k followers and share the question with them :D

mousetail

10:47 AM

I know my answers aren't good enough to get 100 score but I just might get lucky enough to get views eventually

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@mousetail yeah so was probably for answers. Hat, not badge. Only one hat became a badge, afaik.

Lifeboat.

Tinkeringbell

@mousetail They don't need to be good. Just pick a more subjective site, and a question that's already slightly a 'hot button' topic. Then provide just enough snarky, popular opinion in your answer and hit HNQ. Done!

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Something interesting I noticed, Peter (This_is_NOT_a_forum) stuck at 6668 rep for very long time, wonder how come no rep from old posts.

Unless.... he might use downvotes to lower it on purpose back to that number...

mousetail

@Tinkeringbell It's hard to be the first. Often by the time I notice a "trend" there are already 10 questions and the site is getting sick of the topic.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Tinkeringbell I sense... is it... cynicism? :D

@mousetail don't think she talks about trends.

Well, not directly.

Tinkeringbell

10:52 AM

@ShadowTheKidWizard There's a reason IPS was kicked out of HNQ, and part of that reason was that IPS hates HNQ :P

So yeah.

Call it cynicism or sarcasm or whatever...

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Tinkeringbell wasn't it the big deal with Twitter?

mousetail

Trend, hot topic, current event, meme, etc. transient interesting topics

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Tinkeringbell huh! Never figured the difference between those two. :D

@mousetail yep. But you can approach it from many directions, and @Tink's point is that even after 100 questions on the topic, people would still make a feast from the 101st question.

(SO excluded, there all it'll give you is quick closure, deletion, and rain of downvotes ;))

mousetail

True, it's highly site specfific

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheKidWizard Sure, Twitter started it. But see interpersonal.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3330/… :P

Shadow The Kid Wizard

10:57 AM

@Tinkeringbell yeah that's what I meant.

BTW, @Luuklag see here example for using both screenshot and text together in same post. ;-)

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheKidWizard So someone on Twitter started it, but IPS meta was checked before IPS was kicked out, and IPS meta already expressed a hatred of HNQ ;)

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Tinkeringbell well, it's not temporary, quite like "temporary break" when your spouse say they "need a break". :P

Tinkeringbell

Meh. In my opinion, you can't say you hate something, then complain when the problem is fixed :P

All you can say is 'I've been saying that for years and you didn't listen to me, you listened to some rando on Twitter'

But hey, that's how life works. People don't listen to me.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Tinkeringbell I listen to you. ;)

Wait, what did you say?

:D

Tinkeringbell

Right. If it ever happens I'll make sure to take notes

Shadow The Kid Wizard

11:03 AM

!!/coffee mouse tail

SmokeDetector

@ShadowTheKidWizard brews a cup of affogato for @mouse

mousetail

11:41 AM

@SmokeDetector How did it tag half my name

Tinkeringbell

Sha used whitespace

!!/coffee tin

SmokeDetector

@Tinkeringbell brews a cup of espresso for @tin

Tinkeringbell

!!/coffee tink eringbell

SmokeDetector

@Tinkeringbell brews a cup of affogato for @tink

Tinkeringbell

It only picks up on the first full 'word' after the command, as demonstrated.

mousetail

11:45 AM

I didn't even know you could tag half of a user in general, regardless of how the bot works

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@Tinkeringbell yup

Tinkeringbell

@mousetail You need only three characters. Less won't work.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@mousetail both in comments and here in chat, first three letters are enough to cause a real ping. So, @Sha, @Shad, @Shadow, etc, would all ping me for example.

mousetail

What if there are more people who'se names start with the same 3 characters?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

In your case... @mou, @mous, @mouse, @mouset, @mouseta, @mousetai, and @mousetail are all the options. :D

@mousetail they are all pinged

mousetail

11:52 AM

Interesting

So maybe we should all change our names to python-mousetail etc. then we can ping everyone interested in python etc.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@mousetail lol that's interesting suggestion! :D

33

Q: Add pingable groups to chat

My proposal is to add the ability for Room Owners to create pingable groups within a chat room that people can register themselves against. This would allow the easy pinging/sharing of knowledge to groups of people who are interested in certain topics. Example scenario This example is taken fro...

Also worth to mention, the best bug ever!

85

Q: He who must not be named? (aka Anyone can ping everyone in chat)

For some or other reason, typing @ᔕᖺᘎᕊ in a chat room pings everyone who's been in that chat room for the last 7 days... Seems to work in all chat rooms (I only tested 2 as I don't want to upset too many people...) How should we proceed?

bug status-completed chat ping

@balpha OK, I won't ping @ᔕᖺᘎᕊ

:P

mousetail

@ShadowTheKidWizard WTF

Who tought this was a good idea:
> So, was it because the collation used didn't have any sort order for canadian syllabics? (If so, similar to

"Don't know how to sort these, guess they are equal"

Shadow The Kid Wizard

12:07 PM

Unlike what many think, the original code of SO isn't some top notch shiny code following all possible standards. To say the least..... :D

mousetail

It's a bug in SQL server though right? Not SO specifically

Shadow The Kid Wizard

The worst bug I've ever seen was what appeared to be random high rep users losing all their reputation (think also badges) in instant, without trace or any reason.

mousetail

Ouch

At least better than the other way around

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Think it was around 10-20 users overall, but it was really, really, really weird.

Let me find it...

Took months to fix it, many helped the developers to track it down.

And it turned out to be some silly typo in code, or something similar.

Something with review audits.

mousetail

Closed: Not reproducible or caused by a typo

Shadow The Kid Wizard

12:11 PM

duh

Found it!

75

Q: What happened to this user's rep, badges, and name?

This user is only displaying 56 rep. https://stackoverflow.com/users/2354107/user2638924 But surely (s)he has much more than that. The user has also never given out any bounties. Also, badges are missing:

bug status-completed reputation badges display-names

@mousetail (BTW, how you prefer to be pinged? @mouse is fine?)

mousetail

I couldn't care less

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Forgot that name was also reset in that bug, lol

mousetail

Oh wow, that's a quite interesting bug cause

Another reason not to use ORMs

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@mousetail ok! For me @shad would be weird, because "shad" in Hebrew mean "breast" ;)

@mousetail very true

mousetail

@ShadowTheKidWizard Good to know

If I ever get a jewish or other hebrew speaking girlfriend

Journeyman Geek

12:21 PM

ok @Shad :D

@ShadowTheKidWizard I think that got eventually fixed

mousetail

@JourneymanGeek It seemed to have gotten fixed pretty fast

Journeyman Geek

@mousetail chat was in active development then and it was kinda balpha's baby

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@mousetail haha! And "shed" means "demon". ;)

@JourneymanGeek flags

:D

mousetail

Don't want to mess those up on a date

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek of course, lol. In matter of 15 minutes or so.

@balpha even deleted the bug report while fixing it.

(trying to prevent ping flood)

Journeyman Geek

12:35 PM

lol

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek nah, they would still fix such bugs fast, and Nick was the one to actually fix it. ;)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheKidWizard at one point sure

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@JourneymanGeek hack SE, revert the fix, let's see how fast they fix it back. :D

@mousetail totally! So if you will really have a date with Hebrew speaking girl (or boy, all good :)) then you know who to ask for help... :D

I never had actual date with people speaking different language, but had my share of chat/email flirts in English. :)

@mouse what you think of the Ambassador Program?

-85

Q: Announcing the Stack Overflow Student Ambassador Program

This is just an FYI — the Stack Overflow Student Ambassador Program was recently announced. Today we’d like to share what this program is and how students will be participating. What is the Student Ambassador program? We are partnering with Major League Hacking to develop our student-ambassador c...

discussion featured announcements student-ambassadors

mousetail

@ShadowTheKidWizard No strong opinions, nice for students to get some experience I guess. I've enjoyed participating in hackathons when I was studying, though doing it remove seems to defeat the purpose

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Yeah

mousetail

12:48 PM

While I don't think the idea is great I don't see any real potential harm. It's not that many people for such a large site and they'll be playing with the API not directly asking and answering questions much. I don't think it will significantly increase the number of low quality posts.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@mousetail same, but I do see the point of view of those who downvote and go against it.

mousetail

Same

Shadow The Kid Wizard

In essence "Instead of helping the core users improve quality, they just bring new users with potential to cause the opposite, in the name of marketing".

@mousetail BTW, love your avatar! You always had it?

I change name and avatar once in a while.

mousetail

I've had it for a while now

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Always Shadow and almost always Wizard as well, but the rest is flexible.

mousetail

1:00 PM

Wanted a professional avatar I could use on every website

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@mousetail yeah, so how did you find it? Or did you make it yourself?

Someone here bought his avatar

@magi

Not pingable :(

whoa yours is huge! 1024x1024

mousetail

@ShadowTheKidWizard I made it myself :) It's a mouse made out of basic geometric shapes. I just hand edited a SVG

Shadow The Kid Wizard

May 31, 2020 at 12:15, by Magisch

financial independance means I can pay for a new avatar instead of lifting one off of google images and support an artist

@mousetail very nice

How you made in .png? I always get baffled when having to make .png from .svg, usually just taking screenshot. :/

Feels wrong, like taking actual picture of the screen with a camera when asked to "send screenshot". lol

mousetail

@ShadowTheKidWizard I used firefox's screenshot tool

Shadow The Kid Wizard

oh, I don't like plugins/extensions.

mousetail

1:07 PM

@ShadowTheKidWizard It's not a plugin

Just a firefox feature

Shadow The Kid Wizard

But it's quite like just PrtScn button then pasting in image editor, no?

@mousetail neat, wonder how come Chrome doesn't have it.

mousetail

No you can select a HTML element and it will crop it exactly

Shadow The Kid Wizard

huh. Nice.

mousetail

Even if for example it's bigger then your screen size you can still screenshot the entire thing

Shadow The Kid Wizard

So it's not screenshot, it's element capture.

mousetail

1:09 PM

The button is called "Take a screenshot"

Technically it's probably a element capture

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Once used Chrome extension when I really had to, in order to take screenshot of a very long page.

Feeds

1:40 PM

stackoverflow.blog/2022/09/14/…

Meta Andrew T.

@Feeds What Stackers says about onebox

mousetail

2:34 PM

Hmm maybe I should scam people by selling SE stars

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@mousetail what's SE stars?

oh chat stars?

this?

mousetail

Yea chat stars

The most useless currency, your number isn't even displayed anywhere

Shadow The Kid Wizard

I'll pay $.00000123456

mousetail

deal

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Now give me my star! :D

mousetail

2:36 PM

Pay me bitcoin to 0xcafebabedeadface

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Money will be transferred in 6-8

mousetail

(I have no idea what a bitcoin address looks like)

@ShadowTheKidWizard Ok you will get a star in 6-8

years

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@mousetail bc1qxy2kgdygjrsqtzq2n0yrf2493p83kkfjhx0wlh

> This address has transacted 556 times on the Bitcoin blockchain. It has received a total of 13.03566069 BTC ($262,997.32) and has sent a total of 12.87005839 BTC ($259,656.26). The current value of this address is 0.16560230 BTC ($3,341.06).

mousetail

Sold too late

The amounts in all these crypto scams are always insane. I don't even have that much cash let alone would I be willing to risk losing it all

Shadow The Kid Wizard

@mousetail they'll never accept cash anyway

Though you can probably sell your house

mousetail

2:41 PM

@ShadowTheKidWizard They will accept cash to sell you their worthless currency. Since cash actually has value.

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Funny how the world is divided between those who think digital coins are just one big scam, and those who see this as the future.

mousetail

Yep

The current form is a scam

Not saying there is no potential

Shadow The Kid Wizard

I see this as both: scam, but nothing can, or will, stop it so that's the future. :P

mousetail

It has value for criminals and drug dealers and tax evaders etc.

They keep it alive

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Well they're also humans who need to live from soemthing.

mousetail

2:43 PM

They used to use paper money

Shadow The Kid Wizard

Paper! This reminds me, time for the last coffee.

(using paper cup for it.)

(since moving to new place with shared kitchen, I prefer not to wash the cups so using disposable cups)

(why am I writing like that?)

(urghh)

mousetail

@ShadowTheKidWizard You just single handedly murdered 100 baby sea turtles

what's so bad about washing cups?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

3:00 PM

@mousetail but it's just paper, not plastic. ;)

@mousetail kitchen usually too crowded, too many people using same washing pad (?) to wash their dishes, etc.

Well I do wash a plate, not using plastic plates. So saving some cute baby turtles.

How many turtles are there anyway? If one paper cup kills 100, it means billions are killed every year. :/

:(

mousetail

4:08 PM

@ShadowTheKidWizard You single handedly murdered 100 trees

What country are you in if I may ask?

Shadow The Kid Wizard

5:09 PM

@mousetail huh! Now the question is, can a tree be murdered?

@mousetail Israel. My turn: what made you join Tavern today?

Or "what were you looking to find here?" ;)

That's actually a good question, pity it's closed.

mousetail

5:31 PM

@ShadowTheKidWizard I was on meta and saw there where people chatting here. Was interested what a "meta" chatroom would be like

Shadow The Kid Wizard

6:05 PM

@mousetail lol. So, what you think of this meta chat room? ;)

mousetail

I only talked to like 2 people here so I can't say I have a sample size, but you both seem nice

Mithical

→ 11 messages moved to Chimney

@mousetail yeah, this room is rather quieter these days than it once was

M.A.R.

7:37 PM

@ShadowTheKidWizard Vietnam flashback face

@mousetail it's just an elaborate scheme to get you interested in site-related matters

As a physician, when a patient comes to me telling me about a "friend" who has an embarrassing health problem, I can't help but assume the obvious. — Hovercraft Full Of Eels Sep 11 at 12:01

This was exciting

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