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4:48 AM

@Tinkeringbell did it cool down yet?

6:15 AM

@Luuklag Not really, no. I got it down to 19.6 before I closed the door (and turned off the fan). After brushing hair and teeth, it was already 19.8 again. At the moment it is 21.4 and I don't know what I did to deserve that.

It's not even that hot outside!

6:31 AM

@Tinkeringbell Celsius? That's not hot... so not sure I understand what going on? scratching head

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar Room temperature is 18 degrees. In order to sleep, you ideally have a lower temperature than that.

19 degrees Celsius is even bit cold, at least here. ;)

@Tinkeringbell hmm well during summer we put A/C for the kids on 21 or 22 degrees, 18 is too cold.

I've been sleeping without a blanket, and with a fan on, since late April or something. Because I just can't get the night temperature to get down.

@Tinkeringbell and what's the temperature outside?

It's starting to get depressing, honestly... I've had nights where I stayed up until 11/12 and got the temperature down to 17, then I go to sleep and I wake up the next morning and it's 21/22 again :/

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar This night, it was something like 12/13. But I can't go to sleep with the windows and doors all open and the fans still blowing cold air inside. I put one fan in front of the bedroom window, but I have a feeling that the safety screen in front of it basically stops all fresh air despite having ventilation holes.

6:35 AM

@Tinkeringbell well, ideally buy air conditioner, there are small ones for single rooms, that should be cheap. No?

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar I shouldn't have to. I'm living in a well-insulated home, so I should be able to keep the heat out just fine... I just need to figure out how.

airconditioners are a waste of electricity and environment.

@Tinkeringbell hmm wonder where on SE you can ask such a question... ;)

(not that the fan is all that environmentally friendly...)

@Tinkeringbell part of modern life, anything we do is against environment.

Driving. Eating. And virtually any other action.

I know, doesn't mean I don't get to at least try to limit it.

One of the other reasons it's so hot here is climate change, after all.

6:40 AM

@Tinkeringbell exactly, climate change that is also affected by millions of people using A/C.... it's kind of a paradox when thinking about it. head starting to ache

:D

Well if you're willing to suffer in order to help environment, I admire it.

My contribution is to put some things in recycle bins and not in the trash.

6:55 AM

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar Wow :P

@Tinkeringbell I know, right? I feel so good doing it.

:D

Bit more serious, I also don't eat meat every day, on purpose, as meat industry is no doubt one of the worst things to environment. I won't turn vegan due to this, but think 2-3 days without meat every week is fair personal contribution.

Record was 6 days, but it wasn't on purpose, lol.

Den got a new bot!

in Shadow's Den, 15 hours ago, by Ann Says Times Will Get Better

Not everything is star-worthy...

;-)

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar Well that's one thing I'm unlikely to give up, as long as there's no great replacement. If I just eat my potatoes and vegetables, I'm often hungry again before bedtime, if I add meat to it, I'm not.

7:16 AM

@Tinkeringbell well I can replace meat with things like pasta, hummus, even pizza.

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar pizza without meat? That's horrible. If it has one redeeming factor it's meat.

@Tinkeringbell no meat. But also no pineapple. ;)

Usually I add mushrooms, onion, or olives.

Also moved to new location a while ago, there are only Kosher places around, so can't have meat on pizza even if I wanted to. :D

Guess I can order from somewhere, but delivery cost and minimal charge would turn it way too expensive. ;(

Yeah, probably. I can't even have pizza delivered here, if I order just one for me, places won't even come over as I don't meet the minimum order amount.

8:26 AM

@Tinkeringbell you won't. We have the same. It's so well insulated that the heat gets in really easy, but its imposible to get it out. The walls etc heat up rasily, but don't easily cool down. You really need to close all windows during the day and put shutters in front of them to have at least a figting chance

8:44 AM

@Tinkeringbell get it to the temperature you want, and maintain it

8:55 AM

@Luuklag Yeah, I have that. Plan is now to just try and survive until autumn/winter, keep ventilating, and then over winter cool the walls down.

Then keep the heat out next year.

9:59 AM

@JourneymanGeek the pizza? ;)

the house :D

🏠

M.A.R.

10:25 AM

@forestdistrustsStackExchange happens all the time in my experience. I wouldn't think too much into it

@Tinkeringbell maybe only Dutch rooms

@M.A.R. No?

M.A.R.

Room temperature is typically 25 degrees, and most places are regulated to 22-25 degrees for comfort

21 degrees, what I wouldn't do to have that in my room

Well, a lot of things. But still.

Well, that must be only Iranian rooms then.

M.A.R.

(All modern degrees, not that old-fashioned Far height or something they use on small islands and West India)

21 degrees is geriatric over here.

18 is fine, if you're trying to conserve gas because you don't want to sponsor Russia, aim for 16.

10:57 AM

@M.A.R. my room is always hot

@M.A.R. that's what I was trying to say! ;)

@Tinkeringbell soon you'll sponsor Israel ;)

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar Me? Never.

I have a heat pump on solar power ;)

@Tinkeringbell reuters.com/business/energy/…

You would whenever using gas :D

Yeah. It's probably going to happen whether I want to or not, as most of the electricity on non-sunny days is still from fossil fuels.

@JNat cross site spammer, in case you're still into it. :)

@Tinkeringbell so primitive, need clean energy from power stones :D

To be honest, I guess if I had the chance I'd try to become totally self-sufficient when it comes to energy and food... With the way the world is going, that may eventually come in handy.

I don't have space for a windmill, solar panels, a few batteries and have enough garden to also grow a year's worth of food though.

Livestock is banned by the equivalent of a HOA.

So I'd need to move someplace else in order to be able to do this... but I just moved so I'm not doing that again anytime soon.

11:08 AM

@Tinkeringbell no rush!

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar Well, again... looking at the state of the world, a little rush is needed I guess XD

@Tinkeringbell but then you'll sweat and need to take a shower, and that would be waste of water. ;)

There would be no need for an entire shower. Just a bit of water and a cloth will do.

Showering is bad for my skin anyways.

hehe

Not to mention the time it takes to dry/clean the shower afterwards.

11:15 AM

Time isn't wasting any actual resource though. ;)

Time AND energy, then :P

11:44 AM

@Tinkeringbell OK, you win! :D

yay :D

And you also get a medal!

I don't want that one. Too green.

:( :( :(

Some days, I dislike the European Union and the open border stuff.... now a Spanish heatwave is coming this way and no one is stopping it at the border!

12:33 PM

@rene Good to know, thanks!

@Tinkeringbell That looks pretty cozy to me ^^

@curious What kind of hell do you hail from?!

Eastern Canadian... We get pretty extreme in the cold and hot here

Although I think Finland is more extreme in terms of contrasting weather, but the humidity makes a big difference in how temperature is "felt" (however they measure that is not clear to me)

@curious Yeah, I know. It's basically like 'if the air is saturated with moisture already, your sweat can't evaporate so you won't cool down naturally and feel hotter'.

@Tinkeringbell I feel icky just reading this :D

Dutch national weather institute has an article about it: knmi.nl/kennis-en-datacentrum/uitleg/… maybe translate can help you with that ;)

@curious And yes. It's kinda gross.

I think we'll have high humidity heat here this week. Current humidity is apparently at 64% now here.

12:49 PM

@Tinkeringbell Interesting!

Their whole site is rather interesting, beware of rabbit holes ;)

Thank you language barrier haha

I was in Indonesia melting in my sweat once and wondered how is it that people there were just happily wearing long sleeves and all

That day in the jungle hiking at 35C and 95% humidity is the day I discovered rehydration salts ^^'

Long sleeves might actually help sometimes, I've heard. Cotton and linen will not retain much heat, and will keep the sun from reaching your skin and heating you up that way.

(direct sunlight is almost always hotter than just the air)

@curious Those are kinda neat :) I never went to that kind of extreme temperatures, but some internships I've done always had those on hand and it was basically the team leads job to make sure everyone took some.

It was shaded for most of the way luckily...I remember there were some volcanic rocks that looked like coals you use in grills and I couldn't help but think I'm a human hotdog :P

@Tinkeringbell yea it's insane how much it helps even if you don't have that much water, I always make sure I have some now

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@curious Hmm, good idea. I might need to get some for the people that will be building here on Wednesday/Thursday/Friday.

Together with ice cream and perhaps also put some water in the fridge...

1:02 PM

@Tinkeringbell For your place? Got a fan maybe also?

@curious Yep, I have fans already (2 of them, one for the living room, one for the bedroom)

1:56 PM

@curious tbh, you get used to it

and drink more water

@Tinkeringbell Dexit?

Dutch withdrawal from the European Union

@JourneymanGeek Nexit ;)

Dutch withdrawal from the European Union (colloquially "Nexit", a portmanteau of "Netherlands" and "exit") refers to the hypothesis that the Netherlands might withdraw from the European Union. The most recent opinion poll on the subject, in June 2020, showed a 3:1 majority against withdrawal. == Political initiatives == Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte called the possibility of a referendum "utterly irresponsible" and dangerous to the country. Political parties that are Eurosceptic or calling for a referendum on European Union membership are the right-wing populist Party for Freedom and Forum for...

also you can deport the heatwave to a third world country that's poorer

XD Weeeeell actually there really is no place to put refugees here, but I haven't heard that one as a solution yet. So far, they're mostly aiming at putting asylum seekers in temporary accommodations like sports halls.... We could do that with the heatwave too! Just contain it in some empty office building, and then use it for city heating once winter comes.

Solves the gas problems too!

@Tinkeringbell actually that's a terrible one

the UK wanted to put asylum seekers in rwanda

Ah yeah I think I saw a few enraged tweets about that.

Not sure what that was about, there hasn't been a solid news article about it yet here.

2:21 PM

@Tinkeringbell 2/3rd of NL seems to think thats a good solution according to a recent poll

@JourneymanGeek You mean your body adapts eventually? I wonder how long that would take. Most folks I know who came from warm countries who have been in Canada still hate our winters with a passion :)

lol

Depends on the person

@JourneymanGeek Or do you just eventually accept you'll be an icky, drowsy mess for a bit? lol

lol

I'm from the tropics lol

but when I was in the UK and came back took me like 2-3 months

BUUUT

my physiology is very much designed for the climate (brown skin, good hydration habits... kinda...)

So switching to the UK was ok but coming back to Singapore was tougher?

2:30 PM

lol

@Luuklag What, sending asylum seekers to a totally unaffiliated country? I can imagine sending people back to the safe countries they came from may make some sense, or, in accordance with the rules sending them back to the country they first entered, but otherwise...

strangely yup

I used to love british weather, and cold weather in general as a younger person

I did once walk out of my accomodation barefoot (I'm an oversized hobbit) and in shorts in the snow and I was mostly "OOOH SNOW' not ".... COOOOLLLLDDD'

@Tinkeringbell House asylum seekers in the "region". So let them come here, ask for asylum, and pending their procedure move them to the middle east or something

A bit like the UK is doing

Oh, I thought the 'house them in the region' thing was more like 'have people seek asylum in neighboring countries, not here'.

well, that was what I got from listening to the news in the car

2:33 PM

That what you described would be a weird system indeed. Costly, probably, too.

@Tinkeringbell generally the idea is its cheaper to stick em there, then forget about them mostly