Tavern on the Meta

Journeyman Geek

00:50

@forestdistrustsStackExchange I mean, fairly literally they don't know, and they did skip the monero one the last time

forest distrusts StackExchange

Monero one?

Did someone post JS mining code or something?

If they really did skip uploading that, then they'd be violating the CC license.

forest distrusts StackExchange

01:10

Also one quick question: Is it appropriate to post a (rather brief) answer and then expand on it over the course of an hour or so, or is that considered unnecessary bumping? I just finished an answer I first posted an hour ago and it has accrued 11 revisions in that time.

Journeyman Geek

02:41

@forestdistrustsStackExchange I think generally people prefer if you did it at once

@forestdistrustsStackExchange Well not really

the uploading is more of a convenience service than an absolute requirement of a CC licence

cocomac

02:59

Is there a rule on test questions like this one. It is getting downvoted, and while off-topic, it isn't terrible IMO.

Feeds

I know it seems overwhelming, but don't worry; I'm sure most of them have only a few stars, and probably no planets.

cocomac

@Feeds What...? What is Feeds and why is it posting random comics in Tavern on the Meta

Feeds

04:49

stackoverflow.blog/2022/03/22/…

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

07:26

@clickbait regarding your edit here (10k only), I don't think it was deleted because of what you edited. It's simply not a fitting answer to the bug report. It's more of a feature request, that should come on its own question, not answer to related bug report.

Bringing it here anyway so others can see and maybe undelete anyway, I might be wrong.

@Feeds no one-box for pod-cast. So maybe one-cast, or pod-box?

Luuklag

Would it be worthwile to flag this post for mod attention to have the bounty removed? It is an obvious dupe and hence deserves closure.

-3

Q: The next minimum bounty amount shouldn’t be double the previous if the question has no helpful answers and didn’t get any comments during the bounty

Sometimes, particularly in small Stack Exchange sites that have relatively low activity, bountied questions get literally nothing — no answers and not even comments. Nothing useful is gained out of spending large sums of reputation for these bounties, yet future bounties must be at least twice as...

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@cocomac not random, someone (can also be ordinary user) added xkcd RSS feed to this room, you can see the list here, and add feeds yourself to any room where you're owner.

The chat code "subscribes" to the RSS feed and listens for new entries.

Think you can also choose which "user" will post the message, but that's where my knowledge ends, never used it myself.

@Luuklag no, it's on us that it's still open, OP has the right to post bounty.

Dupes aren't bad, so no big issue if it stays open for a week. </2-cents>

@JNat possible network troll, based on their deleted answer on MSE at least. Highly offensive and meaningless. If did the same on the other sites, well... you're best with handling it. ;)

clickbait

07:45

@Luuklag The feature request is different enough from the other ones linked in its comments for it to not be a dupe.

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@clickbait well if five users think it's a duplicate (or one mod/gold hammer) it will be closed, they likely know the site better. I'm still neutral on this, and like I said if it's not closed by now it's your right to bounty it.

clickbait

2 close votes for dupe of meta.stackexchange.com/questions/188481/… but that post suggests very different criteria. That post says the next min bounty shouldn’t double if no bounty was awarded; my post says it shouldn’t double if the question received 0 responses (and maybe also if it has low views).

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@clickbait if you still didn't, please add this info to the question itself.

Luuklag

08:08

@clickbait how would you go about awarding a bounty when there are no answers?

clickbait

08:32

@Luuklag As said in this q meta.stackexchange.com/questions/188481/… bounties aren’t always awarded when there are answers.

In my feature request, the next bounty minimum would still be double if a question gets answers and the current bounty isn’t awarded.

M.A.R.

09:01

@Rob that just means they can be automated easily

@cocomac Feeds feeds on people's curiosity. And now you've created a monster

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar how can something be highly offensive and meaningless?

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@M.A.R. cucumbers 4.0

M.A.R.

Unless you're one of those people that think everything holds meaning

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@M.A.R. me! feeding myself with feeds

M.A.R.

Or you're from a Goblin tribe with a highly complex language where asdfghjkl is an offensive word

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@M.A.R. think he used phrase like "mental masturbation". Enough said. :P

@M.A.R. exactly!

M.A.R.

09:06

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar oh, this is getting too philosophical

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar what do you think CC-by-SA stands for?

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@M.A.R. it's risky to imagine the meaning, so I resist doing it. :D

@M.A.R. CuCumbers by ShAdow

duh

They're green
They're tasty

M.A.R.

09:27

No wonder you're so happy, you compile code in a greenhouse

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar well, once you get down to it, everything is mental

I mean, right now, a figment of my imagination selling cucumbers and innuendo back to me

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

09:38

@M.A.R. smell of the fresh cucumbers also help. ;)

@M.A.R. nooot really...

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

@Luuklag Definitely worthwhile. It seems from the history that the user may be gaming the system, given that they deleted the question and the undeleted it once it became eligible for a bounty, then put a bounty on it, to evade close votes.

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@M.A.R. you know your message is now archived in MetaSmoke site, right? :D

metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/355733

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

As to the argument of it being a duplicate: I don't think Rob's target applies, but my target definitely applies. The same arguments against the request I linked applies to this one: "[if] an initial bounty did not attract any good answers, a new bounty should be for a larger amount, to work better towards attracting answers" and "[doubling] the required bounty is a feature partly intended to limit 'bounty abuse'."

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

Mar 9 at 11:07, by Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron we don't remove bounties

So flag will be declined anyway.

Unless other mods have different opinion.

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

Also, per the duplicate closing policy, section Do duplicate closures work differently on meta sites?, it's OK to close a question as a duplicate if an answer to the target addresses the question, even if the questions aren't the same.

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar What they were saying in that context is, they don't clear bounties, instead waiting until after the bounty expires, to close the question, so that the author's reputation remains deducted.

Mar 9 at 11:08, by Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron Cause if you wanted to waste your rep its your problem

Journeyman Geek

09:47

@Luuklag wait for it to end. Then close 😁

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@SonictheSaveUkraine-hog and? That is my point.

Flag asking to remove the bounty right away will be declined.

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar Wouldn't be declined on the spot. Instead, they'd set a timer to remind them of the bounty expiration and they'll close it then

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@JourneymanGeek well problem is close votes might expire by then.

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar So don't ask directly for that. Just indicate the problem in the flag and let the mod find the appropriate solution.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheSaveUkraine-hog no timer

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

09:49

@SonictheSaveUkraine-hog timer? lol

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

@JourneymanGeek Not an SE timer, a personal timer

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

No they won't set any timer.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar 😁

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

A reminder

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

That's not their job. @Sonic

Journeyman Geek

09:49

You forget how petty and vengeful I can be 😁

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

You might do it as a mod, but I really don't think any mod should do such thing.

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

There's also the chance they'd not end up handling the flag until the bounty has already expired (at which point the requested action would be moot)

Journeyman Geek

I really don't like tactical bounties

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@JourneymanGeek smelly, but legit.

(usually, as in this case.)

Journeyman Geek

Yes

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

09:51

So just close your nose. ;)

Journeyman Geek

Only exception is if it does the site harm

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

@JourneymanGeek Wondering if you read the chat history beginning here and the message it replies to

Journeyman Geek

It's still tactical

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

@JourneymanGeek If a feature existed where you could remove bounties such that the rep remains deducted instead of refunded, would you use it to remove immediately?

Journeyman Geek

Hypothetically? Probably not

A fairer option would be to not allow bounties if there's an active close vote

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

09:54

Tactical bounties used to be an even bigger problem back when it wasn't permitted to recast aged close votes

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@JourneymanGeek I'd go with at least three votes.

Not fair that 3k rep user will be able to single handedly block bounty on any question.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar one. If it ages out the user can still bounty it

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@JourneymanGeek No. Bad feature, open for abuse, and not fair towards the questions askers.

-1

:D

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar why not 2?

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

Also keep in mind that the privilege for users to see close votes on their own questions is gate-kept at 250 rep. Implementing such a feature would effectively allow for privilege escalation as users with 75+ and <250 rep would be able to see that their question has close votes

Journeyman Geek

09:57

Bounties are relatively rare

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@JourneymanGeek so we should not put extra blocks in their way.

@SonictheSaveUkraine-hog they will only know there are close votes, without being able to see how many and what reasons.

Journeyman Geek

And how likely is a pre-emptive close vote just to block a bounty?

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

Solution 1: not show the option to bounty, or give an error when initially opening the bounty wizard. Privilege escalation, detailed above. Solution 2: allow proceeding through the wizard, but give an error at the last stage. Causes users to complain about lost work, especially if they took the time to compose a detailed explanation for the bounty.

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@SonictheSaveUkraine-hog either way, you hurt the bounty system as whole, discouraging users from using it.

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

Well, to be fair, such an escalation already exists for duplicate close votes: the automatic comment and the option to self-close. But it doesn't exist for other close vote reasons.

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

10:00

Shog hated bounties... many others do too. With enough support from community, likely SE will just sunset the bounty system and solve all the problems in one hit.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar also there's 3 vote closures on many sites 😁

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

@JourneymanGeek Another feature request idea. In this case, the author deleted the question and undeleted once it got to two days old, so it wouldn't incur close votes in the meantime. Perhaps time spent deleted shouldn't count toward the 2-day requirement?

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar And reduce answer quality in one hit

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheSaveUkraine-hog that's messy in terms of processing

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@JourneymanGeek so Math.ceil(site.Close_Voter_Count/3) + 1. ;)

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheSaveUkraine-hog meh. You don't post good answers for the bounty

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar 5l3 is... 2.5

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

10:04

@JourneymanGeek what is 5l3?

Journeyman Geek

2 would work in both cases tho

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

Not familiar with this operator

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

Bitwise or

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

Oh

Journeyman Geek

Autocucumber

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

10:04

@SonictheSaveUkraine-hog How is it related? lol

I don't like working with bytes, it's messy.

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

The | symbol is the bitwise or operator in C-like languages

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@SonictheSaveUkraine-hog yeah, just didn't expect it to be used, and thought it's the letter "l"

Journeyman Geek

I meant / but got autocorrected

Sonic the Save Ukraine-hog

5/3 is 1.[redacted]

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@JourneymanGeek so you were wrong, 5/3 isn't 2.5

That's what confused me, didn't know what operator you used to reach such number.

You can invent new operator, I guess.

5<JMG>3 = 2.5

> JMG operator is secret, refer to @JourneymanGeek for details.

:D

Fish time!

M.A.R.

12:14

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar it is too good a message to be immortalized in just one place

I mean, whoops?

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@M.A.R. oops-IE

M.A.R.

12:35

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar no that's rene

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@M.A.R. @rene ain't no oops, he's OPS.

> polystyrene

PM 2Ring

12:52

@forestdistrustsStackExchange Yes, it's acceptable to post a brief answer and then expand it. But the original version has to be a valid answer in its own right. And 11 revisions in an hour is pushing it, 2 or 3 is probably ok, depending on how much traffic the site has. However, you do risk downvotes from people who hate any form of FGITW behaviour.

Journeyman Geek

13:09

@forestdistrustsStackExchange There's always the option of deleting, doing all the edits and undeleting

did that once on meta :D

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

Quick poll! Please look in the image below, and say which looks better to represent questions per day when it's below 1: red, or blue? Top, or bottom?

Journeyman Geek

top

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

hmm

Journeyman Geek

How do you ask a fractional question?

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

hovering over post new feature request button

but knowing it's waste of time

but might get some tasty rep

argh

Journeyman Geek

13:13

fractional dvs

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

0.2 head split

Also it's confusing, expecting it to be the overall average, but it's only for the last two weeks. Only way to know is hover.

user302202

0.1 is more informative than <1.
Knowing the former, I can deduce the latter. Does not work otherwise.

user302202

And there may be a meaningful difference between a site that gets 5 questions per week and a site that gets 1 question every other week.

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@VoteDukakis and 0.0?

Three tp's but nobody except me cast spam flag. :/

Expected: if you post feedback to Smokey, also flag if you agree it's spam... quite trivial. Or not?

M.A.R.

14:09

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar that is the means and the end

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

@M.A.R. very mean

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

14:59

If Smokey devs would have accepted feature requests I'd ask them to change "Link at beginning of answer, link at end of answer" to just "Link only answer", in case of course it's answer that consists of single link. But Smokey devs aren't here and no idea how to send them a request, so meh. :D

DavidPostill

15:14

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar You can ping a developer in Charcoal HQ | chat.stackexchange.com

Shadow Wizard Says No More War

16:02

MSE homepage might be on its way to get V2Blasted

...or not...

forest distrusts StackExchange

19:50

@PM2Ring The site doesn't have a huge amount of traffic, so it's not like it keeps being bumped to the top over other posts.

@JourneymanGeek That's not a bad idea, actually...

PM 2Ring

@forestdistrustsStackExchange Oh, ok. But it can still be a bit annoying for readers who are interested in your post if you keep updating it while they're trying to read it. ;) JMG's idea of temporarily deleting can be good, especially if you need to make some drastic changes. OTOH, if you leave it too long before undeleting another person may post a new answer in the mean time that replicates some of your material, especially if they think the deletion is permanent.

forest distrusts StackExchange

security.stackexchange.com/posts/260559/revisions

Not drastic "changes", but drastic additions.

I.e. this to this

(FGITW = Fastest Gun In The West, right?)

PM 2Ring

@forestdistrustsStackExchange Yep.

forest distrusts StackExchange

Ah. That's not much of a problem on Sec.SE.

PM 2Ring

20:13

@forestdistrustsStackExchange Ok, additions are much easier for readers to cope with. Still, it'd be good to consolidate that into 2 or 3 updates.

forest distrusts StackExchange

SE doesn't have any sort of drafts support, does it?

I know it can store an edit client-side, but that goes away if you make another edit to any other post.

DavidPostill

@forestdistrustsStackExchange If you are using Firefox try Textarea Cache – Get this Extension for 🦊 Firefox (en-US)

PM 2Ring

You do get a "draft saved" message, but I don't know the details, or how robust it is.

forest distrusts StackExchange

@DavidPostill I use Tor Browser, so no extensions. I suppose I could just keep it in a text file.

I'm just so used to editing questions or answers incrementally.

PM 2Ring

20:30

Speaking of Miller-Rabin, I did a deterministic version in Python a few years ago: math.stackexchange.com/a/1638487/207316 but of course you need a probabilistic version for big primes. miller-rabin.appspot.com has some nice sets of witnesses for deterministic M-R.

Last week, I was contemplating writing some primality certificate code in Sage / Python. Sage can certify big primes, a few different ways, but it just returns a boolean, not the certificate, which is really annoying.

It's maybe worth mentioning in that Security.SE answer that not only does it take longer to find safe primes, they can take longer to certify, too. But I guess that depends on if (p-1)/2 is safe. :)

user1271772

20:46

@ShadowWizardSaysNoMoreWar I like "0.1" more than "<1" because it gives me more information with not much more space. (0.1 tells me that it's not 0.6 or 0.3).

forest distrusts StackExchange

@PM2Ring OpenSSH's generation of safe primes for DH moduli doesn't require certification, thank god.

Luuklag

o/

forest distrusts StackExchange

All it does is check that you've got a safe prime and a Sofie Germain prime.

@PM2Ring Aren't there some very fast ECPP implementations in Python out there?

Luuklag

Argh, I'm really missing a darkmode on this page right now :(

forest distrusts StackExchange

Dark mode? Was that a feature here before?

Luuklag

20:56

No never was, but more and more things are in darkmode, and at 10 pm a darkmode is nice on my eyes

forest distrusts StackExchange

I'm sure there are some programs you can download which can do that for you.

Something like a red shift utility.

Tinkeringbell

@Luuklag there are userscripts and I think even a full browser extension (at least for chrome)

forest distrusts StackExchange

Remember the good old days when Firefox had its XUL API and its extensions were the most powerful in the world?

Back when "Chrome extension" was practically a joke...

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell sure there are, but there is very littly my IT policy lets me change or run

Tinkeringbell

Ah, blegh. IT policies are the worst ;)

@forestdistrustsStackExchange Nope. Sorry, didn't come up in the archaeology course. Probably need a historian for that.

forest distrusts StackExchange

21:04

It was only like, 5 years ago. :P

PM 2Ring

@forestdistrustsStackExchange Sure. And Sage has all sorts of lovely elliptic curve stuff. Some of the libraries it uses produce certificates, but Sage just doesn't expose them.

DavidPostill

@Luuklag What's your OS and Browser?

PM 2Ring

Sage is built on top of a lot of powerful sophisticated stuff. sagemath.org It provides a nice unified high level framework, but it sometimes hides stuff that you wish it made visible. Often, there is a way to get at that hidden stuff, but not always.

Luuklag

@DavidPostill Mac OS Montery, FireFox

DavidPostill

@Luuklag Are you allowed to install Firefox Extensions?

Luuklag

21:12

@DavidPostill well partly, I can install something, but it is automagically uninstalled whenever I reboot

DavidPostill

@Luuklag :(

forest distrusts StackExchange

>mac

Luuklag

I've grown quite accustomed to my mac over the years. Its lack of support for Excel VBA however is really a downside. Or well the lack of MS to support Mac on VBA, whichever way you look at it

forest distrusts StackExchange

Well it's better than Windows, sure.

Ryan M

@forestdistrustsStackExchange I would have agreed with this until Windows added WSL. Now I'm pretty fond of Windows.

forest distrusts StackExchange

21:26

:(

WSL is a blessing and a curse for Linux folk like me.

On the one hand, it means MS has finally admitted that Linux is not going away. On the other hand, it draws some people into using Windows instead. I guess it's fine for running ELFs directly instead of firing up a VM.

PM 2Ring

It's scary to think how much of the world runs on Excel, often involving large amounts of manual data entry & manipulation, much of which could be automated...

Ryan M

When Linux manages to make audio not a nightmare and render a browser window without tearing, maybe I'd consider it...

(I thiiiiink Wayland is supposed to fix that second issue? I'm still on X11, though.)

forest distrusts StackExchange

@RyanM The audio problem is an issue with the idiots behind ALSA defaults. Audio works just fine if you set it right.

Ryan M

Audio for me uuuuusually works, though still not as well as Windows.

forest distrusts StackExchange

@RyanM That's an Xorg DRM acceleration issue. Can be set in config. Distro maintainers don't know what they're doing half the time.

@RyanM How does it not function for you?

Ryan M

21:29

One big problem is that it can sometimes require restarting a program to get it to output to the correct audio output.

forest distrusts StackExchange

Oh. You using Pulseaudio?

Ryan M

I think so? I'm never quite sure how to tell.

forest distrusts StackExchange

(I just use plain old ALSA with dmix plugin, because Pulse sucks and makes life worse for everyone)

Ryan M

PulseAudio command-line tools seem to work

forest distrusts StackExchange

Well, what distro do you use? Many of them use Pulse by default now, sadly.

Ryan M

21:30

It's Debian-based

GLinux

gLinux is a Debian Testing-based Linux distribution used at Google as a workstation operating system. The Google gLinux team builds the system from source code, introducing their own changes. gLinux replaced the previously used Ubuntu-based distribution, Goobuntu. == References ==

forest distrusts StackExchange

The problem is that ALSA used to not support playing multiple sounds at once, but the dmix plugin fixed that, but not before Pulseaudio became popular and made everything more complicated than it needs to be.

You work for Google or something?

PM 2Ring

And some browser problems are due to pages created using Microsoft tools that deliberately produce HTML that doesn't properly conform to W3C specs, but of course behaves as intended on MS browsers. Although admittedly, that's not as much of an issue these days as it was in the past.

Ryan M

@forestdistrustsStackExchange If I did not, I am not sure how I would be using their workstation OS :-)

forest distrusts StackExchange

@PM2Ring Oh god, I hated "This site works best on IE 6" bullshit.

@RyanM bruh, google is evil :(

(Well, some of Google. Most of it. I like their FOSS stuff.)

Is gLinux not released in public or something?

Ryan M

I'm certainly not going to defend every decision the company's made, but I do have a generally favorable opinion of them. And I work on the FOSS stuff :-)

forest distrusts StackExchange

21:33

Neat.

The one thing I am really impressed is their move towards fuzzing everything, and even adding CFI to Chromium.

They're taking open source security seriously now.

PM 2Ring

And to be fair, it wasn't just MS's fault. During the height of the Browser Wars, both MS & Netscape kept piling on new features that the other side didn't handle.

forest distrusts StackExchange

@PM2Ring Like GIF loops and whatever?

Back before GIFs even had animation. :P

PM 2Ring

GIF animation is pretty ancient, though.

forest distrusts StackExchange

Yeah, but I think it was a Netscape extension that added it, IIRC.

Unisys didn't add it themselves (back when GIF was patented).

PM 2Ring

But yeah, back when it was a standard trick to use 1×1 pixel GIFs to aligh things in the browser.

forest distrusts StackExchange

21:38

In the good old days, before websites were 2 MiB in size and took up 200 MiB in virtual memory...

PM 2Ring

@forestdistrustsStackExchange That vaguely rings a bell. We could check this on Wikipedia; it's got a fairly thorough history of GIF, IIRC. :)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIF The original version of GIF was called 87a. In 1989, CompuServe released an enhanced version, called 89a, which added support for animation delays (multiple images in a stream were already supported in 87a), transparent background colors, and storage of application-specific metadata.

forest distrusts StackExchange

> By default, an animation displays the sequence of frames only once, stopping when the last frame is displayed. To enable an animation to loop, Netscape in the 1990s used the Application Extension block (intended to allow vendors to add application-specific information to the GIF file) to implement the Netscape Application Block (NAB).

> This block, placed immediately before the sequence of animation frames, specifies the number of times the sequence of frames should be played (1 to 65535 times) or that it should repeat continuously (zero indicates loop forever).

So it was looping Netscape added, not animation itself. I misremembered. Close enough, I guess.

PM 2Ring

Ah, right.

forest distrusts StackExchange

It's ironic, because nowadays when I see a GIF that plays once but doesn't loop, I get all confused.

> Most browsers now recognize and support NAB, though it is not strictly part of the GIF89a specification.

On a very related note, anyone who pronounces GIF with a hard G should also pronounce JPEG as "JFEG" to be consistent.

PM 2Ring

And the ancient anim format on Amiga, developed by Electronic Arts (before they became evil) looped by default. Amiga image formats, both single frame & anims, also supported color cycling.

forest distrusts StackExchange

21:45

Old fashion image formats are fascinating.

Fun fact: the ancient raster format SCR for the ZX Spectrum isn't compressed, but is often smaller in size than PNG of the same image. :P

PM 2Ring

Luuklag

Fun fact here is that Gif is also a dutch word, for poison.

Once a colleague of mine tweated something, including a GIF image. Then another colleague saw some half rendered version of that tweet, that included the word GIF, and got furious.

forest distrusts StackExchange

22:11

Why is "start a bounty" not next to "edit delete share" etc?

PM 2Ring

22:35

84

Q: Can we move "Start a bounty" to a more intuitive location?

Can we please move the "Start a bounty" link to be in the same location as all of the other action buttons? It makes no sense to me for this to be buried after the comments - It's an action on the Question. It can be very difficult to locate, especially when your question gets a lot of comment...

feature-request status-planned design bounties user-interface

forest distrusts StackExchange

> Asked 7 years, 9 months ago

> [status-planned]

PM 2Ring

Should happen sometime in the next 6 to 8 whenevers.

forest distrusts StackExchange

It's amusing how many changes SE does to their site that reduce usability, but small improvements like this which are literally one-line changes take forever. It's a shame SE doesn't have access to a large, qualified community of programmers and web developers who would be interested in helping them out. Wherever could they find such a community?

PM 2Ring

It's a mystery, wrapped in an enigma.

Hopefully, such changes will be faster when everything's fully migrated to Stacks.

forest distrusts StackExchange

Remind me what Stacks is again?

DavidPostill

22:55

@forestdistrustsStackExchange Using Stacks - Stacks

forest distrusts StackExchange

It's some sort of master template for SE sites?

DavidPostill

@forestdistrustsStackExchange Yes, kind of

@forestdistrustsStackExchange Why we initiated the latest round of design changes and the role of meta - Meta Stack Exchange

PM 2Ring

Stacks provides everything you need to quickly design, build, and ship coherent experiences across all of Stack Overflow—from the brand and product itself, down to how we send emails and write copy. stackoverflow.design

Stacks is the new rational way to build stuff on the network. I guess they're trying to escape from this kind of architecture:

Someday ImageMagick will finally break for good and we'll have a long period of scrambling as we try to reassemble civilization from the rubble.

forest distrusts StackExchange

Most of the delicate dependencies are outside of the web stack.

Transcript for