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1:03 AM
It's only elsewhere that you can have your cake and eat it too:
 
 
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@Feeds Move fast and make sure nobody gets onebox at 2AM
 
 
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6:19 AM
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6:39 AM
Something feels missing on first read.
 
Yeah that's probably not going to help XD
 
@MetaAndrewT. where is that?
 
@JourneymanGeek on Chrome's browser homepage...
 
@Spevacus Ugh. I was just beginning to get used to them!
 
7:46 AM
@Tinkeringbell Well if anything, I think it shoes how clueless non-native speakers can be on the English internet, and particularly those from Asia whose mother tongues don't even share the same script as English. The thought process behind it is simple, they're probably pretty young (<18) so the only hierarchy that possesses their mind is that mods are above regular users, and staff are above mods in how unilateral 'their' decision can be.
@Spevacus That's awesome!
 
@M.A.R. Ouch! I am a non-native speaker too :(
 
@Tinkeringbell Ouch! I am a non-native speaker too :)
And one from Asia whose mother tongue is mostly just oral and doesn't even have a script
You're Dutch and that's sorta cheating.
But someone whose mother tongue is one of those East Asian languages with curvy ancient-looking Inca-temple scripts can have a lot of trouble on the English internet, and very few people generally appreciate that
 
Ouch! I am a non-native speaker too :|
 
I'm obviously a cheater ...
 
Ban all cheaters!
 
7:52 AM
@M.A.R. You're on a roll, aren't you? Clueless, a cheater.... gee, thanks!
 
Cheat all banners!
 
Not very related, but seems like there is a lot of Dutch people around. At least from my observation.
 
We are just pretending.
 
Ah, to reap that sweet benefits that real Dutch people get on the internet, right?
 
On the Internet, everybody knows you're Dutch?
 
7:56 AM
@VLAZ It's not exactly wrong, there are quite a few Dutch people around... We also seem rather chatty, which may skew the numbers :P
 
@MetaAndrewT. Does it show?
 
It's only to be expected. Stack is Dutch now, after all.
 
@Tinkeringbell Yes, that's what I mean. I don't complain, mind you, it's just something I noticed. Dutch people seem "over-represented" in that probably non-Dutch people just don't really share much where they are from.
 
I know there are a few Germans and Americans around, at least ;)
And a few Israelis (is that how you write the plural?)
I guess the Dutch people in here just reinforce it by constantly mentioning that they're Dutch :P
 
Speaking of Dutch, what is a "traditional" meal over there? Something common and easily identified as being Dutch? And it isn't a stroopwafel.
 
8:07 AM
@Tinkeringbell (it is yes)
 
@VLAZ Oh, there's quite a few. Several versions of 'stamppot' are often presented as very Dutch food: Hutspot, stamppot andijvie, stamppot boerenkool .... I think snert en kruudmoes are also pretty Dutch.
 
@M.A.R. Non native speaker, unique script for my native language :D
 
Stamppot seems amazing! Potatoes mashed with other stuff. I'll try to make some at home. The sauerkraut variant seems quite appealing but the others also sound very good.
 
Also, there's probably a slightly unique element there - and that's SE's a 'reputable' company (the fools!) and working for them is well, something that has uh...
what's the term...
Its a respectable job... :D
 
@Tinkeringbell Hey that's the best kind of cheater
 
8:14 AM
@VLAZ Ah yes, the sauerkraut version is great too!
How could I forget about stamppot zuurkool...
If you need help translating recipes, lemme know ;)
 
It sounds like a postal thing
Can't a man have something better than what couriers eat
 
What the New Romans eat?
Or the HELVTICA?
 
It also sounds like a spell that would conjure some food monster
RIIIIIISE MY ZUURKOOL
 
technically, if you went to the right shop, glared properly and agressively, slammed down enough euro on the counter... you might summon...
 
@JourneymanGeek I dunno, I don't read the Times
 
8:17 AM
THE STAMMPOT ZUURKOOOOOOL
 
@M.A.R. Should be no worse than the flying spaghetti monster :P Just a bit smellier, perhaps.
 
What is that. It looks like sausages on lettuce salad
 
@M.A.R. You mean sauerkraut?
 
Zuurkool/sauerkraut is basically sourly fermented cabbage?
 
I'm not big on identifying food. Mostly just consuming it.
@VLAZ Need moar pixels
 
8:19 AM
@M.A.R. THE SALAD... OF THE DAAAMNNNEEDD
 
Sauerkraut (; German: [ˈzaʊɐˌkʁaʊt] (listen), lit. "sour cabbage") is finely cut raw cabbage that has been fermented by various lactic acid bacteria. It has a long shelf life and a distinctive sour flavour, both of which result from the lactic acid formed when the bacteria ferment the sugars in the cabbage leaves. It is one of the best known national dishes in Germany. == Overview and history == Fermented foods have a long history in many cultures, with sauerkraut being one of the most well-known instances of traditional fermented moist cabbage side dishes. The Roman writers Cato (in his De Agri...
 
My internet speed is 10 Kb/s now
 
Yeah, it's cabbage which has been slightly fermented. It's a bit sour.
 
@JourneymanGeek Not a salad of doom?
 
@Tinkeringbell sounds like yogurt with extra steps
Cabbages. Who first came up with that.
 
8:21 AM
CABBAGES FROM THE DEPTH OF HADES! FERMENTED IN THE DEEPEST REACHES OF THE UNDERWORLD, THE BACTERIA GENTLY KEPT AWAKE BY THE PITIFUL MOANS OF DAMNED SOULS, PUNCTUATED BY THE SPICY TANG OF PURE HORROR!
@M.A.R. Dude... Brassica.
Brassica is like... someone went "these greens are good, lets selectively breed them into EVERYTHING!
 
Like, some medieval perfectly happy chef left cabbages in a damp cellar, and came back and saw they've changed color.
 
Cauliflower, Cabbage, brussels sprouts...
 
@JourneymanGeek You make it sounds like it's even tastier. Damn, I want some sauerkraut now.
 
@JourneymanGeek biology show-off
 
ARE. THE. SAME. SPECIES.
Not "related"
 
8:22 AM
Then said chef ate them and liked the sour taste.
 
SAME. SPECIES.
 
@VLAZ With sausage and bacon bits... jummy!
 
@M.A.R. Probably like worchestershire sauce...
 
He gave back to nature what he had consumed, and more, but a new food was born
 
It's not even nearly time for lunch and I'm getting hungry too!
 
8:22 AM
Someone packed them away in a cellar for later, forgot and...
"hm, this is tasty"
 
Stop plagiarizing my art
 
@JourneymanGeek To be fair, sounds like my mom. Never pays attention to expiration dates, has no sense of smell... so just puts stuff in her mouth to taste it XD
 
@Tinkeringbell well... that dosen't quite explain its korean cousin
"Lets stuff cabbage leaves in spices... then bury them"
 
@JourneymanGeek We've been fermenting stuff for quite a while now. The most notable thing we got is called "alcohol". I think humans have been trying to ferment everything ever since just to make sure they aren't missing out on more alcoholic stuff.
 
I also think its a cold country thing
 
8:24 AM
Due to my diet restrictions, I'm supposed to hate sausages (too much protein). I'm conditioned to be revulsed seeing their pics on the web.
Unfortunately not conditioned to hate them on my plate yet
 
Other than yogurt, india has no tradition of lactofermentation
Our pickles tend to be based off sour things, or ludicious amounts of salt
 
That's like saying other than cheese, France doesn't have a history with fermentation
 
@JourneymanGeek Probably. I just read an article yesterday that warmer climates would use peppers to make food spicy and conserve it like that.
 
There's like a dozen yogurt types I've tasted.
And I'm not even in India
 
@M.A.R. Ah
 
8:26 AM
@JourneymanGeek Yeah we established earlier that pickles are the same in Singapore and Iran
 
Yours is probably closer to ours...
Yogurt that is
as opposed to bulgarian yogurt, which is a different strain of bacteria
 
Doctors hate this one simple trick to increase your BP by 100
Well I end up opting for boring low-fat pasteurized yogurt anyway.
Everything else often tastes . . . a lot. Like you know, you're saying this thing isn't supposed to stimulate my taste buds this much
 
@M.A.R. Just talk to my boss :D
 
@JourneymanGeek He makes salty pickles?
 
No, he raises people's BP :D
 
8:30 AM
Oh. Don't ferment him then
 
 
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10:13 AM
Nattō (納豆) is a traditional Japanese food made from soybeans that have been fermented with Bacillus subtilis var. natto. It is often served as a breakfast food. It is served with karashi mustard, soy or tare sauce, and sometimes Japanese bunching onion. Nattō is often considered an acquired taste because of its powerful smell, strong flavor, and sticky, slimy texture. Within Japan, nattō is most popular in the eastern regions, including Kantō, Tōhoku, and Hokkaido, and a 2009 survey revealed that 70.2% of Japanese people find the taste pleasant, and others who may not find the taste of the food...
 
@SPArcheon Ah, See... the *special" place in hell... that's Natto :D
 
Yeah, time for a topic change.
 
I am still trying to decide what is worse... Natto or...
Surströmming (pronounced [ˈsʉ̂ːˌʂʈrœmːɪŋ]; Swedish for ''sour herring'') is a lightly-salted fermented Baltic Sea herring traditional to Swedish cuisine since at least the 16th century. The Baltic herring, known as strömming in Swedish, is smaller than the Atlantic herring, found in the North Sea. Traditionally, the definition of strömming is "herring fished in the brackish waters of the Baltic north of the Kalmar Strait". The herring used for surströmming are caught just prior to spawning in April and May. During the production of surströmming, just enough salt is used to prevent the raw herring...
 
This topic... stinks
 
Today is international lefthandedness day apparently. Of the people in this room, are there any lefties? And if you are, do you have any things that are easier or much worse to do with your left hand?
 
10:15 AM
@Tinkeringbell :(
 
@Tinkeringbell I think there are few left in the chat now.
 
I was born a leftie, forced to switch to being a right dominant
 
Ah, yeah... I've heard stories about that :(
 
Please unfreeze this

  Believe it or not!

This room will point you to facts you may have no idea about
 
> Like it or not, believe it or not as you will. Your perceptions will not change reality, but simply colour it
 
10:27 AM
@Wolgwang Why?
 
@Mithical Because feeds won't work in a frozen room...
 
 
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@Feeds Onebox Survey results!
 
Why do people say chat is broken?
 
@Wolgwang why waste mod time?? Just create a new room, and make sure to post once in a while to avoid freezing. If you can't or won't do that, no point in such room to begin with.
@Wolgwang where?
 
2:10 PM
@Wolgwang I dunno if you're specifically referring to a post or something but you probably misunderstood the author's intent. What they meant is chat is very poorly maintained. Reported chat bugs go unsolved for years.
Other than that it works well enough.
 
@Wolgwang I have probably half a dozen posts explaining issues with chat :D
Its not maintained, its hidden away, there's not much thought into moderation at times, Lots of communities have slowly faded away....
 
Yeah and I kinda don't get it. Don't companies that want to make the environment 'welcome' and stuff usually find out how to integrate chat better with the site?
 
There's also some trollish behaviours chat dosen't let us handle well
 
Or is it because chat code is old and needs some deciphering? Or was that Area51?
 
A51 is SE 1.0 code
chat's at worst a half decade give or take a year or two
 
2:24 PM
@JourneymanGeek Getting to the tomes involves booby traps and solving riddles the ancients thought are funny
 
@M.A.R. I think it comes down to "develop for the platform, not the product"
+++ SE basically didn't care about anything that didn't seem like a sellable product for years
 
Capitalism!
 
@M.A.R. No, Weekend!
 
Weekend capitalism is the worst!
 
Fair.
 
2:43 PM
@Glorfindel Odd looking Lost-Soul script? i.stack.imgur.com/VEPc2.png
 
2:58 PM
^ Repro'd
 
I've only seen it break once before, with the capitalized post action buttons.
 
I think that nicely collided without damage @Mithical ...
 
Worked perfectly...
 
Got an upvote as well ^
Thx
 
Gone
 
3:08 PM
@Ollie rene is a legendary pokemon, not mythical
Destroys opponents with sarcasm and irony
 
rene used Snark!
It wasn't very effective, but the chat laughed.
 
@M.A.R. Vileplume isn't a legendary 'mon
But at least based on the color he is indeed shiny.
@Spevacus Gura used Shark!
 
🦈
 
3:24 PM
Gawr!
 
4:01 PM
👋
How's everyone doing?
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Good :P Trying (and failing) to overcome writers block :P
 
@KevinB best answer
 
just watching this death spiral keep goin
 
@M.A.R. Eh?
 
4:13 PM
that death spiral is keep spiraling lively
 
4:24 PM
 
@MetaAndrewT. This one?
 
@Tinkeringbell I'm a leftie. I can't write right handedly but for pretty much everything else I've trained myself to be ambidextrous. That was help by doing wood and metal working in school where all the benches were set up for righties. There are a few things I used my right hand for - one is scissors as I can't be arsed buying a leftie pair. I taught my self to play squash and tennis with either hand (although I'm better playing with my left) - it can be fun confusing opponents by swapping :)
 
4:42 PM
@SPArcheon yesn't
 
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@DavidPostill Kindergarten hell = "You need to use your right hand if you want to learn to use scissors. All good children are right-handed"
 
@GWarner Didn't happen to me. Born 1959 UK.
 
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WE Americ-uhhn'
 
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Lucky you.
 
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4:55 PM
One nifty trick for lefties. Write cursive backwards for passing 'encrypted notes' in class
 
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Of course when we also had to turn in our notes from lectures as part of an assignment, I always had to redo them.
 
@GWarner D: My cousin is left-handed and forced to learn how to write right-handed.
He's not in kindergarten, though - he's 16.
 
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I think American schools started accepting left handedness in early 70's. Or maybe it was just midwestern 'self-righteous school marms in the 60's and earlier.
 
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I tried using an ambidextrous mouse recently, and failed miserably.
 
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At what age was this imposed?
 
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5:08 PM
I hope he wasn't 16 when he was forced to learn right handed
 
@DavidPostill Heh, yeah! The left-handed/footed sports thing was mentioned on our company intranet (where I shamelessly stole the question from) as a good thing too :D
 
@GWarner I didn't know Mr Da Vinci wa a SE user.
 
@Tinkeringbell Yeah, helps in Karate as well. Most righties don't get to fight many lefties. So switching stances back and forth and leading with either lift/right hand/foot is very confusing for them.
So we ambidextrous lefties tend to be strong on both sides but righties have a weaker left side as well :) It is a definite advantage when sparring or (I hope is doesn't happen) street fighting AKA being mugged.
 
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I heard that once! Also about his signature calling card, drawing a perfect circle on a door to let people know he came to visit while they were gone.
 
Yep! I can write with both hands, but my left is always weaker/sloppier (if I try the same pace. If I go really slow, the difference is... barely noticeable?) I'd love to be able to do more things lefthandedly too!
 
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5:20 PM
Family folklore, BS I say, is that my paternal grandmother was a decendant of Leonardo.
 
@Tinkeringbell I used to be able to knit (the Swiss way as my mother is Swiss and taught me) but I can't remember if I learnt to do it right or left handed. I suspect right as she is right handed.
 
@GWarner Well that shouldn't be too hard to fact-check/ find out these days? Go make a family tree, those are fun!
 
Can't remember how to do it any more.
@GWarner Yeah, Leonardo could write with both hands at the same time, left hand a mirror of the right hand.
 
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Simple science is lefties that read/write left to right have the advantage to write backwards because its easier to learn to write in the direction away from your script. The muscle memory can usually learn to 'flip' the physical aspect with pracrtice
 
Well it stops you smudging the ink :)
 
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5:25 PM
@Tinkeringbell Typically, but actually finding documentation the close you get to the man is harder to find, if it hasnt been burned or locked away.
 
@GWarner Hmm, there wasn't some sort of inquisition keeping track of all descendants, to make sure none of them went astray? too bad :(
 
@Tinkeringbell You're probably thinking of Galileo, AFAIK Da Vinci was never inquisitioned.
 
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Well, family folklore told to me as a young tween, put briefly is: Close relatives fleeing the Church's wrath because they deemed him a heretic, took on his name as a surname. My grandmother and great Uncle came from Europe as children. Last name Leonardo
 
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You might be right. It's all water under the bridge anyway, and knowing or not really wouldn't change anything I wouldn't think.
 
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I do have some family trees. And recently found more for my mothers side as well
 
5:54 PM
@DavidPostill Heh, I just knew a church was involved somewhere :P
But you're right, da Vinci was just under the protection of influential people including the pope for a while :)
 
6:50 PM
@Ollie 22805 rep later, you're still taking me seriously bub
@DavidPostill IIRC that was an interesting time in Italy anyway. Everywhere hated and inquisitioned one another
 
7:31 PM
🚽
 
@Ollie typical ... I was just working on a change to enable its functionality from the homepage (and question lists in general) and was almost finished. Then I went camping with my nephews, saw your ping and assumed I accidentally pushed the new version too early. I'll have a look at it, thanks for the report :)
 
8:22 PM
 
start using emoji's
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