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6:09 AM
@Tinkeringbell can you please unfreeze our room? Got something to show you.
(I assume it's frozen, didn't check yet actually.)
 
Yeah just a sec :)
 
huh what a nice message
> This private room has been automatically frozen for lack of moderator activity.
So accurate. lol
 
Yeah well, no need to actually say more :P
 
:D
Now I wonder, if ordinary non moderator user posts every day in private room, but mod doesn't post.... the room will still be frozen? @Tink
Or should I post a support question on... Meta? ;)
 
6:15 AM
oh lol. Shog!! I miss him. ;(
!!/coffee Tink for all the hard work
 
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard brews a cup of Espresso for @Tink
 
@SmokeDetector you forgot to add the reason
!!/tea Luuk for the new day
 
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard brews a cup of chamomile tea for @Luuk
 
Espresso huh. I usually get a Latte! XD
But it knows me too well. I guess I could use the extra boost.
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6:50 AM
Ping from the trash, lol
 
7:29 AM
blegh, my ping has turned awfull since last thursday or so. Around 50-100 ms where it used to be about 10-15. Keep getting connection errors everywhere
 
@Luuklag boo hoo, for me average is twice than that. D:
 
over 100ms on average?
 
@Luuklag yeah, let me see now in dev tools...
441 ms
and that's considered fast for me. :P
 
wow, so how often do you fail to load a site then?
 
y'all are counting the time it takes to load a site in milliseconds?
;_;
 
7:39 AM
@Rob No, but if your top 10 on a bunch of list, it might put you in a combined first place ;) Also a lot of countries in those lists don't have a well traded stock exchange, which brings a benefit to NL.
@Mithical You use weeks for that I guess ;)
@PM2Ring Let mods slap a status review on it, and wait for an official SE answer ;)
 
Rob
@Luuklag That's not how it works. --- You have a goal, so for that goal you pick a country; different goal, different country. --- Then you take these several (dozen?) companies and sell them to a shell, owned by another company. --- The one ending up getting the money second to last wants secrecy, the last one wants zero taxes.
 
@Rob hmmm okay. We are ranked first in one of those lists btw.
And I love how we even have a tax evasion strategy named after us
Dutch Sandwich is a base erosion and profit shifting (BEPS) corporate tax tool, used mostly by U.S. multinationals to avoid incurring EU withholding taxes on untaxed profits as they were being moved to non-EU tax havens (such as the Bermuda black hole). These untaxed profits could have originated from within the EU, or from outside the EU, but in most cases were routed to major EU corporate-focused tax havens, such as Ireland and Luxembourg, by the use of other BEPS tools. The Dutch Sandwich was often used with Irish BEPS tools such as the Double Irish, the Single Malt and the Capital Allowances...
 
8:04 AM
@Tinkeringbell thanks! that's why we have to manually post "alive!" to prevent them from freezing (since feeds don't work on frozen rooms)
 
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog careful with your comments. Before you know it you get dragged into something you regret later.
 
Rob
@Luuklag Yeah, first as a Conduit OFC; like the girl with the most boyfriends - you have the right to think that is good or bad - is it really the best?
 
Well we have had plenty of discussions about wether or not we as a country should want to be a tax haven.
Some say its good for our economy, as we bring in foreign companies, and others say it doesn't add any value to our economy
 
Rob
@Luuklag See, it's not all good:
Flatulence humor or flatulence humour refers to any type of joke, practical joke device, or other off-color humor related to flatulence. == History == Although it is likely that flatulence humor has long been considered funny in cultures that consider the public passing of gas impolite, such jokes are rarely recorded. Two important early texts are the 5th century BC plays The Knights and The Clouds, both by Aristophanes, which contain numerous fart jokes. Another example from classical times appeared in Apocolocyntosis or The Pumpkinification of Claudius, a satire attributed to Seneca on the late...
I'd say that in some ways it doesn't add value, but at least you have the cash flowing through instead of around; which is slightly better.
Like the comparison between a company that makes a million per day and spends a million per day, compared to the company that makes zero dollars per day and spends zero dollars per day - I know which I'd rather be.
 
8:21 AM
@Rob Yeah true, but in your case politics don't come into play. Other countries look down on us, because of our tax laws, which doesn't really help internationally. Not that it explicitly harmed us at the same time though
 
Rob
> "The country now has a secrecy score of 67 out of a potential 100 and a global scale weight of 1.1%. The Netherlands is home to 15,000 'special financial institutions' (SFIs). ... Sixty per cent of royalties through the Netherlands go directly to the secrecy jurisdiction of Bermuda.".
They've tried to change their ways, and improve their standing.
 
 
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11:37 AM
Argh stupid Excel. It shows a circular reference warning on starting up, but when I click find errors there are none :/
 
11:52 AM
@Luuklag they're circular, search in a circle. :P
 
12:47 PM
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Fun thing to do with 4k cells with formula in them :)
 
@Luuklag ouch! lol
 
I bet it's hidden somehwere in the conditional formatting or any of the gazillion sumifs, in a condition that is currently invalid, but when valid has a circle reference
 
1:21 PM
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1:48 PM
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog sorry I didn't get round to responding to that for a bit. How does that work?
 
 
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3:49 PM
Is rate-limited
Feels like a hacker
 
4:03 PM
 
 
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5:07 PM
meta.stackexchange.com/a/366232/369802 < who sees a numbered list, who just sees some paragraphs?
It's showing as paragraphs on my PC, and as a numbered list on my mobile phone + work laptop....
 
I do not see numbers.
 
Switching to desktop site on mobile also gets rid of the numbers...
Buggy bug?
 
Repro'd; shows as a numbered list on the mobile site.
However, the mobile view is pretty much deprecated at this point.
 
Yeah but I swear it did show as a numbered list on my work laptop tooo.... at least in preview!
 
@Tinkeringbell paragraphs
 
5:10 PM
I'm going to get the laptop again.
Okay, so it must've been only preview on the laptop then.
There's definitely something broken it seems. Editing out the numbers for regular list items seems to not show in the preview anymore?
 
@Tinkeringbell bug in stacks.css: i.stack.imgur.com/Qvh2S.png
 
@rene Oh. Do you mind posting it? You know more about that than I do :D
 
Or maybe ... the primary.css didn't get a rule for numbered lists
the Html is okay.
 
Eh, debugging is for the developers :P
But it probably broke after I posted my answer then. Like I said, the preview now no longer does any lists either, not bullets or numbers.
 
I'll post a bug report
 
5:15 PM
Thank you :)
 
Yeah, something's broken. Clicking the bullet/numbering button with markdown disabled doesn't show the bullet/number.
 
posted
 
voted :)
 
Free rep \o/
 
Huh, apparently the bug affected the whole network
 
5:32 PM
Ben Popper on June 07, 2021
But a little over one third disagree, viewing blockchain as mostly hype
 
@Feeds What is the game that's being changed?
 
@Feeds Most chatters believe onebox is a glorious design
 
@Feeds Why does this redirect immediately to stackoverflow.blog ?
 
@Tinkeringbell it's a new ponzi game!
 
@Spevacus even it redirects to itself from there!
 
5:34 PM
Yep! :(
Should I post a bug report or complain into the ether? ;)
 
@g3rv4 For now, at least. I haven't seen blockchain actually be effective at solving any problem yet, at least not if we don't define problem as 'humans'. Killing humans with climate change might be effective...
@Spevacus Bug report :)
 
Something something 6-8
 
@Tinkeringbell it's also good at contributing to the chip shortage... or causing lots of abuse to free CI platforms
 
Block chain is awesome - just slap a block of concrete at the end of a chain to get a cheap but effective counterweight for your elevator, semaphore, garage door ... anything you can think of.
 
@Spevacus your seconds are up...
 
5:38 PM
Fear not, for she be posted, matey!
I... Dunno why a pirate vocab just came out. Ignore me.
 
@g3rv4 Well the chip shortage might have a benefit of people realizing perhaps not everything needs a chip?
 
@Tinkeringbell I'm curious... what doesn't need a chip? we're even using those on the vaccines from what I heard
 
@g3rv4 Yeah, my second shot was chip free though, just because there were shortages :P
 
@Tinkeringbell hah your loss
 
I know! I now still have to wait in line in the supermarket to pay, others can just walk out and have their shopping just debited to their accounts!
But... I can disappear and no one will find me. One day, I will be hide-and-seek champion.
 
5:55 PM
I'm loving find my iPerson
 
I'm on Android though :P
 
@Spevacus They're trying to fix it.
 
@Tinkeringbell your loss, again :P you could be living in an all Apple-owned-vaccine-chip-connected world
 
@Catija Tell them I said thanks!
 
@g3rv4 Ugh. Can you imagine being connected to other people all the time? I will take my downtime and my rock to sleep under, thanks very much!
 
6:02 PM
@Catija ouch, it's a 301 :(
@Tinkeringbell it seems like you know what you're missing :)
 
Definitely :)
 
@g3rv4 I prefer 418
@Spevacus This is one of the odd ones that I actually kinda want to see what it says. :P
 
I'm curious about what the deal is too. I hope someone provides a technical explanation.
 
@Catija from the news last week, I'm pretty happy with some some 402s
 
@g3rv4 I'm glad to hear you're benefiting. :)
 
6:08 PM
@Catija <3
 
How are you doing, otherwise? Enjoying the new work?
 
yup yup :) it's a different environment and I'm still adjusting, but that's exactly what I was after. Pretty pretty good :)
 
6:26 PM
Ben Popper on June 07, 2021
But a little over one third disagree, viewing blockchain as mostly hype
 
I'm having flashbacks.
 
🚽
 
Infinite redirects now /o/
 
why are the colors in the image swapped
super misleading
 
@KevinB Heh... yeah, "all hype" should be blue if that's the section it's referencing.
 
6:36 PM
Ayy, link works now.
 
I also find the wording... irritating. a majority of developers believe it is a game changer
not most,
irritating because of the parallels to similar political arguments, claiming most want X, when most is really just a small majority, in this case a 15%-ish margin
 
Ah, and the graphics that are within the post itself are using the correct color scheme. However, the first one is used twice.
That second one is, based on the context of the article, supposed to be about who has been able to work with it yet.
 
:(
 
hahaha I find it better this way ;)
 
6:47 PM
:/ Hm. I think this is the resulting article from this survey on MSO. I'm still a bit sad I didn't get to participate because of the age bracket I'm in, but at least we get to see where that data went.
 
> We’re asking some basic background questions to ensure we’re getting a representative sample of the community.
My bet? They already had enough responses from your age bracket :P
 
>:(
 
Everyone knows no one on the internet is over 30 XD
 
best to skip such questions
 
Oh, definitely :)
 
6:51 PM
My mistake D:
 
That's how all those personality quizzes on Facebook work too, just harvest data :P
 
it clearly wasn't relevant to the survey, it wasn't included in the results
 
No Haiku answer. Anyway, your lists are numbered @Tinkeringbell
 
7:08 PM
@Spevacus Looks like it's working now?
 
@Catija Yup! Lookin' good!
 
@KevinB Is there a reason it's bad to want answers from people of a variety of ages or backgrounds? Surely it's not a bad thing to want to hear from people of many age ranges and also not waste people's time if their responses weren't going to be included?
 
i find it disingenuous to alter the entry into the survey to match social %'s based on age/skin color when trying to collect the opinion of "the community"
2
especially if you're gonna turn around and use it to say "Most of the community believes X"
 
Why not include the responses of people below the age of 30? If you want the responses of people from a variety of ages and backgrounds, shouldn't more ages be allowed to do the survey?
 
@KevinB It says "developers"... not "the community" - at least, that's what it says in the onebox.
@10Rep We do include them? Why do you think we don't?
I think the cutoff was at 18 because we can't capture responses from minors.
 
7:21 PM
it just seems incredibly ironic to separate people into buckets in this day an age based on age/race. If being inclusive means omitting people to reach a desired balance...
 
@Catija But then this post says that the age of 20 and 24 aren't allowed to fill in the rest of the survey.... am I missing something?
 
... If you only have 1000 slots, it's not about omitting people, it's about including others. If 1000 slots are all white guys in their 30s - particularly if we don't even know who is answering and that it's biased, then all we know is what white guys in their 30s believe and we're calling it "all devs".
It's way worse to ignore age/race/gender, etc.
 
allow 100k slots
 
Get survey companies to make unlimited responses free.
@10Rep That doesn't say they're not allowed - it just says that, by the time they tried to take it, the slots were full for their demographics.
 
@rene As long as it's my lists and not my days, I'm happy :)
 
7:35 PM
Be Happy!
 
Too late. I have to go water the plants... I hate watering plants.
Mom always puts too much soil in the baskets and you have to basically water drop by drop or things overflow.
 
Hey, be kind to my family!
 
I'm sure the plants appreciate the water...
 
@rene I didn't say I hated plants. I did say I hated watering them. You can go grow bigger roots so you don't need artificial watering!
 
 
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8:53 PM
Remember when images used to have visual captions? I don't remember the last time I saw a <figure>/<figcaption> out in the wild.
 
i've never heard of either
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm ancient. :/
actually, I'm not even sure how long those tags have been around
 
though it does appear to be a feature i probably should have used in a past project where i reinvented that feature without knowing it existed
 
HTML is like that sometimes
that happened to me with <dl>,<dt>, and <dd> many years ago.
 
i've remember those, but not what they're for
 
8:58 PM
dictionary listings
key/value(s) type stuff
 
ah
effectively list nesting without list nesting
 
back when HTML5 came out (with the big semantic push), I reviewed some of the other elements on offer
yeah
 
9:40 PM
Why do we need psychic powers to understand a bug report?
 
Dunno.
Do we?
 
that's what comments are for
 
 
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11:45 PM
@Feeds [screams internally]
As someone who actually understands cryptography (although not nearly as much as a professional cryptographer), I have to say all the blockchain hype is incredibly cringy. It's great insofar as it makes cryptocurrency possible, but overall, it's a problem in search of a solution.
Not to mention, most of these are the kinds of people who didn't even know what a hash was before Bitcoin came out.
 
@forestdistrustsStackExchange I suspect it makes sense to divorce blockchain as "a way to keep records and verify them" vs the bitcoin/cryptocurrency malkachy...
but at the end of the day, its a buzzword
Our government is using it to sign documents but but...
as a central authority, they probably could just issue certs...
But ... obviously... a well tested solution that's almost as old as computers, if not older isn't gooood enough, so etherium based blockchains it is
 
Exactly. It solves problems with existing, superior solutions.
 
"solves"
:D
 
I am obviously gratified to know that my vaccine cert is verifiable via an Ethereum based blockchain
 
11:54 PM
I think cryptocurrency is fine. It's great to have something of value that you can transfer in such a way that governments can't as easily tax or regulate it. But that's really all it's good for.
For keeping and verifying records, there are usually better solutions.
 
@forestdistrustsStackExchange Oh I like the concept of a anonymous medium of electronic exchange
just not...
 
@JourneymanGeek so, in the event of power failure...
 
Just not what? Bitcoin?
 
@JohnDvorak or network failure
 
There are plenty of (actually anonymous) alternatives.
 
11:55 PM
@forestdistrustsStackExchange Well, mining in general
 
What's wrong with mining?
I mean, yeah when you can make ASICs for it it's a bit bad since it ensures most miners already have a lot of money to invest. But there are plenty of ASIC-unfriendly alternatives.
 
@forestdistrustsStackExchange energy inefficient, and takes up a shitload of hardware which kinda has been messing up the hardware enthusiast market
 
Oh yeah that stupid Nvidia thing.
 
@forestdistrustsStackExchange Actually - I wouldn't mind an efficient ASIC based blockchain
 
@forestdistrustsStackExchange it's literally a race in who can waste more power by computing numbers without meaning
 
11:57 PM
As for energy issues, it's still cheaper than traditional paper money in terms of pollution and CO2 release.
 
@forestdistrustsStackExchange before that AMD
and now chia
@forestdistrustsStackExchange print paper or plastic money, or metal money once, and it lasts until it falls apart
 
@JourneymanGeek But it still has a higher carbon footprint than Bitcoin, by a lot.
It's just that with Bitcoin, you can more easily quantify the footprint.
 
@forestdistrustsStackExchange wood/cotton literally grows on trees.
 
But there's no billions of tonnes of CO2 released due to bureaucratic overhead as.
@JourneymanGeek It's not just about the cost of printing money. Not even close.
Banks as a business are major polluters. The financial sector is not "green".
 
I'd love a cryptocurrency where you're basically using specialised, VERY efficient open source Asics or FPGAs, and your mining pools are subsidising the use of the money
and affecting the hardware market less.
 
11:59 PM
But when ASICs are used, you're making it so poor users can't mine as easily. That's the problem Litecoin tried to solve that Bitcoin didn't.
 

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