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Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
2:25 AM
hm
Didn't the SO podcasts have transcripts?
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
not by default
those that did, were added after the fact
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
2:42 AM
Oh, its there, just kinda hard to find from the blog-facing instance
 
Rob
Rob
3:09 AM
@JourneymanGeek It is tough to find: Click on it, share; but don't, dismiss the sharing, ending up here; with a Tab to choose the transcript (whew!): the-stack-overflow-podcast.simplecast.com/episodes/… the-stack-overflow-podcast.simplecast.com/episodes/…
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
3:20 AM
@Rob .... I was hoping I was being dumb and missing it, but... yes
(naturally I metaed it :D )
 
 
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Rob
Rob
4:21 AM
@MartijnPieters ha! I still make those sounds. MSX 1 or 2? — rene 7 hours ago
 
 
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rene
rene
5:33 AM
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Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
6:26 AM
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
6:56 AM
@forestdistrustsStackExchange good way to get suspended, and finally force the developers to put a limit, I guess. ;)
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@forestdistrustsStackExchange you could ask before you upload a gigabyte of data :D
 
rene
rene
@forestdistrustsStackExchange technically that is possible, at least the backing field supports a lot: meta.stackexchange.com/a/297928
 
Ryan M
Ryan M
The limit is at least several megabytes (warning: lot of text), as was accidentally tested once via a chatbot bug.
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@JourneymanGeek ask who? There's no chat developer these days.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Precisely why making noise is a good thing :S
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
7:03 AM
@rene wow, lol
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
7:18 AM
@Journeyman pointing towards flags queue (better handle quickly before it cause more fuss.)
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I've been dealing with related issues for a bit. I'll keep an eye on it, and think about it
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@RyanM haha bot on the loose. Smokey just reposted the entire transcript of the day?
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@JourneymanGeek OK, your call.
 
Ryan M
Ryan M
@Luuklag the entire git log, I believe
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard heh just need to cross all the Is and dot all the Ts. Or something
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
7:24 AM
Also, it's a known MSE troll, so it should make the decision easier. Just saying. :)
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard We are still supposed to look at the posts, not the users that posted them (with the exceptions of perhaps socks bypassing system restrictions). It's ... not a very unreasonable post, there is some precedence for people asking to add countries to that list. I'm afraid some trolls get smarter to the point of actually becoming useful sometimes.... If anything, best not to feed it.
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@Tinkeringbell not talking about a post. It's about user display name.
(sorry if wasn't clear enough in the flag?)
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Tinkeringbell One moment :D
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
??
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
No need to superping me, I'm here :P
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
7:32 AM
Flowers are lovelly :D
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
Hat-ers gonna hat?
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I guess I missed a step. Sorry :)
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard She's dealing with another thing :D
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@MetaAndrewT. Pun makers gonna be pun-ched? :P
@JourneymanGeek oh, lol
I don't have issue with the post, it's a legit request.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
:D
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I think it'll get community closed cause its in the wrong place
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
7:35 AM
@JourneymanGeek meh, won't mind it. ;)
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@JourneymanGeek ? Not really, to be honest.
If I was I wouldn't be chatting here killing time XD
@MetaAndrewT. Reading that post this morning reminded me of interpersonal.meta.stackexchange.com/a/1389/1599
> You may have intended to communicate these concerns via the term "militant", but all you're really conveying is your own perception of this person; if we were sitting down over a pitcher of beer and plate of nachos such a description would aid in commiseration with you, but does little to help further our understanding of the person that you wish to communicate with.
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
True...
 
Ryan M
Ryan M
TIL moderators can remove Community Wiki status from a post
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Or we can try to?
 
Ryan M
Ryan M
Ha. If I were guessing, the user put it back around the time they commented "Thanks! I made it community wiki so you can improve it."
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
7:45 AM
@RyanM it was removed, reputation summary proves it, but then it was made CW again somehow.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
the wierd thing is - there's no record of it on the timeline.
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@RyanM yeah, in that case the bug is in the timeline/revisions as there's no trace for this.
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
Yeah, mods can un-CW posts, usually for answers that get (accidentally) automatically converted to CW
 
Ryan M
Ryan M
@JourneymanGeek Want to do an experiment? I can post an answer on Tink's question and then convert it to community wiki, and then you can remove the status, and then I can try to change it back, and we can see what happens...
or we can wait for staff to figure it out :-)
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Related?
7
Q: Undoing community wiki as a moderator rewrites history

Mad ScientistModerators have the ability to make a post community wiki and also to remove the community wiki status from any post. But there are several issues with how this is recorded in the revision history, the moderator-only post timeline (/admin/posts/timeline/) and the moderator action history (/admin/...

bug moderator-tools community-wiki
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
7:49 AM
@RyanM I'll do the latter
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Not same issue, but looks like something is still off, and was first reported there.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
I have too much on for science
 
Ryan M
Ryan M
heh, sounds good :-) hence asking before doing it
Yeah that definitely seems similar...not exactly the same, but reaalllllyy similar.
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
On an unrelated note: Cardaino got its first HNQ after going public?
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
claps hands
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
7:52 AM
@RyanM I'll accompany your science on meta.android.se if you want
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@RyanM That's why I guessed as much too, and put that in the question ;)
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Well something seems fixed at least, since the entry of it being made community wiki in the first place remained after community wiki was removed.
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@Tinkeringbell yup, but the fix isn't... complete. @Yaakov isn't pingable yet..
 
Ryan M
Ryan M
@MetaAndrewT. posted, waiting out grace period before editing to CW
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
noted~
I thought you're going to set it as CW directly XD
 
Ryan M
Ryan M
hmmm, I was going for as similar as possible to the MSE post
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
7:57 AM
fair point
let's try 3 times on the same post (aka "CW/un-CW war") to see the behavior
 
Ryan M
Ryan M
@MetaAndrewT. okay, it's CW
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
@RyanM okay, un-CW'ed
 
Ryan M
Ryan M
and it's CW again, with no second timeline entry
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
repro'd. I'm going to add comment and 3rd-party edit to break the grace period first
@RyanM un-CW'ed, no subsequent timeline entry
 
Ryan M
Ryan M
huh, yep, not for either of us...want me to switch it back to CW again?
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
8:04 AM
also, the revision history didn't show the subsequent CW/un-CW either
@RyanM sure
 
Ryan M
Ryan M
Yep, once again, nothing in the post history. Well, that answers what happened :-)
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
Yep, the real bug is: no timeline & revision history entry for subsequent CW/un-CW
@RyanM btw, I'm going to delete your answer. Thanks for the science :p
 
Ryan M
Ryan M
Np, you too :-) went ahead and deleted it myself just in case the system thinks I did something bad to force a moderator to do it for me :-)
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
flags everything anyway
:D
 
Ryan M
Ryan M
Also preserved a screenshot for posterity
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
8:18 AM
great, now I'm seeing "subsequent" word too often until my brain thinks that's not a real word...
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
?
 
Rob
Rob
It's calculated OTF.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@MetaAndrewT. Its not
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
!!/coffee Ayo
 
SmokeDetector
SmokeDetector
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard brews a cup of Latte for @Ayo
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
8:24 AM
Got a feeling you need it. ;)
 
Ayo
Ayo
Hahaha!! I literally just got hot chocolate
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
:)
@Ayo you made it yourself?
Or from a vending machine?
 
Ayo
Ayo
Naa, I went to a local restaurant close by, haha
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
ohh lol
 
Ayo
Ayo
Hehe
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
8:26 AM
Hot chocolate from restaurant?! Feels off, lol :D
Why not coffee?
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Hot chocolate is nice :) With or without whipped cream? :D
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Maybe this?
:P
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Oooh. That's enough for 5 people for a week though XD
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Do you want me to start vomiting?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@Luuklag It was the panda or Taylor Swift... and I know my audience
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
8:29 AM
@Tinkeringbell or 1 Shadow for ~10 minutes. :D
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Then you're even more of a choc-o-holic than me ;)
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@Luuklag nah, it'll ruin my appetite. ;)
@Tinkeringbell I am! eating chocolate to prove it :D
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard No chocolate for me today :( Or I should get sprinkles on my bread for lunch, but... I think there's still some other toppings left that I should get some from first, before my brother/dad eat all of those again without me having had any XD
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
lol
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@Tinkeringbell lol just buy something yourself. No? ;)
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
8:33 AM
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I would first need my own fridge to keep such stuff in. Otherwise, I'd be paying for my brother and dad to eat my stuff XD
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
I buy good stuff for myself sometimes and put high in the fridge, yet my son keep finding it, taking chair, and eating it. :P
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Just a few more months, and I won't have these problems anymore.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
lol
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
@Tinkeringbell well doesn't have to be in fridge... ;)
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Eh, it's best if from the fridge though.
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
8:44 AM
@Tinkeringbell what topings are that?
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@Luuklag Grilworst. The good kind, from the butcher shop :D
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
yeah best keep that refrigerated
 
Ayo
Ayo
@Tinkeringbell You know it! Haha
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Or eat all of it within ~2 hours, but that's not good XD
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
lol
As Obi Wan once said...
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
8:59 AM
@Ayo There used to be this really great shop at the train station back when I was in university. Looked like a flower stand, but also sold coffee/tea/the best hot chocolate I ever had. With whipped cream!
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
"From a certain point of view"
 
Ayo
Ayo
@Tinkeringbell That's exactly how I have it right now, taking a sip right now as we speak :|)
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
I'm having tea. At least that's hot too (just burned my tongue on it)
 
Ayo
Ayo
@Tinkeringbell Haha
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
I'm having a coffee, best drink there is
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
9:09 AM
@Luuklag +1
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
9:24 AM
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
points towards network profile
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
 
Rob
Rob
9:43 AM
@Luuklag Second to Kokanee, but I drink far more coffee.
 
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
Shadow The Vaccinated Wizard
10:34 AM
@Rob salmon?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
11:07 AM
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard That seems... fish-tea...
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
11:40 AM
 
 
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Rosie
Rosie
12:48 PM
Good morning and happy half way through the week. :)
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
waves
 
rene
rene
Isn't it technically only half way at lunch time?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
close enough for horseshoe hand granades?
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
Every time is lunchtime in Iceland...
 
rene
rene
I'm past lunch, so I'm fine.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
12:56 PM
@rene For this week, and Dutch people at least, it's only halfway after finishing the entire work day :P
 
rene
rene
true that. But I didn't want to bring in the Dutch angle on this. Too much Debiteuren/Crediteuren
 
Mast
Mast
There are so many sites like that...
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
They're so informational :)
 
Mast
Mast
I'm not sure what to be more amazed at, that somebody built and launched it or that it's still up after a decade.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
both works :)
 
Mast
Mast
1:01 PM
But if you consider it's hosted by someone who calls themself koffieschaap (coffee sheep), it all makes sense, I guess.
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
going to put both tabs side-to-side on fullscreen at the office
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@Mast Ah yes, 't koffieschaap! (kofschip?) :P
 
Rosie
Rosie
LOL I love the different where is the half week point definitions.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
lol
Weekdays have no meaning when you work shifts :D
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@rene lunchtime has long passed there
 
Feeds
Feeds
1:45 PM
 
Meta Andrew T.
Meta Andrew T.
@Feeds inherited no-onebox phenomenon...
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@MetaAndrewT. lol
 
Rob
Rob
2:00 PM
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard Yes, a sockeye for Shadow.
@Luuklag A 🍺 for Luuk.
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@Rob Won't have that till about midnight probably, having another horrible deadline today
actually that will be the second deadline
Had to submit a proposal this morning before 11AM, it was submitted at 10:59.
 
Rob
Rob
2:21 PM
@Luuklag Best to stick with Heineken, as no one will sell you their precious Kokanee.
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@Rob The only good Heineken is the alcohol free one.
Otherwise I'll stick to my Grolsch
 
SPArcheon
SPArcheon
has the parrot started playing Genshin Impact under a fake name?
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
I don't know, ping the parrot?
 
Rob
Rob
@Luuklag Looks like there reason not to buy that too:
Grolsch Brewery
Grolsch Brewery (Koninklijke Grolsch N.V. - "Royal Grolsch"), known simply as Grolsch (Dutch pronunciation: [ɣrɔls]), is a Dutch brewery founded in 1615 by Willem Neerfeldt in Groenlo. In 1895 the de Groen family bought the brewery. They had started their own brewery in Enschede the Netherlands in the early 19th century. It held a significant stake until November 2007. Today the main brewery is located in Enschede. It was awarded the Koninklijk (Royal) title in 1995. The Grolsch brand became a part of the SABMiller group in March 2008.As part of the agreements made with regulators before Anheuser...
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
what reason @Rob?
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
2:35 PM
🚽
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@Luuklag Ah, groene knuppels :D
 
Spevacus
Spevacus
2:56 PM
 
Rob
Rob
3:13 PM
@Luuklag Clicking on that gives two reasons in a row, what is your reason to buy only if it's non-alcoholic?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
3:26 PM
@Rob I think he likes the taste better
 
rene
rene
Pretty insulting if you only like the 0% beer. I admit I agree and take the beugel as well
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@Mast I wouldn't be that surprised considering the sheer amount of traffic those kind of sites receive (even if some similar sites don't always have ads or trackers, but still)
@ShadowTheVaccinatedWizard I'm somehow more interested in the size of the cup than the content itself :O where can you even buy cup of that size
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
3:44 PM
@NordTheLoftyWizard I suspect photoshop
 
Rob
Rob
@rene Yes, but if not Pilsner but Lager instead then surely Eisbock is the preference for alcohol content.
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
 
Rob
Rob
A fairly low price too.
 
DavidPostill
DavidPostill
 
Rob
Rob
4:22 PM
@JourneymanGeek I think he drinks it because Terry and his dad drinks it.
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
4:32 PM
@DavidPostill nice, thanks for the link :D I know what I'll add to my wishlist now
 
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
4:53 PM
There's an interesting proposal on MSO to prevent delete/undelete wars: Rule proposal: one delete/undelete per post
I agree that something needs to be done, but I'm concerned about threatening people with suspensions over it. It'd be far better if the system software could enforce the rule.
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@PM2Ring well that would mean we have an effective way to deal with it
Suspensions are a workaround for not wanting to lock a post or for people listening
 
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
@JourneymanGeek Very true. :)
It seems like an oversight that the system doesn't prevent it, like multiple close & reopen votes. But I guess we expect 10kers to behave like sensible adults...
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
5:10 PM
@PM2Ring well there's a reason it happens more on SO
Sheer volume
 
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
OTOH, there are people across the network who have 100k+ who persist in answering homework dumps, and who aren't likely to change habits, no matter what arguments are presented to them. And it's not just about rep-farming. Some of these people have said they'd rather stop answering altogether if they can't answer what they choose to.
Volume is certainly a factor, and that anyone whose been active on SO for at least 5 years is likely to have a lot of rep.
I think it's also connected to sites that are likely to get homework questions, like SO and the maths & science sites. You get polarisation in the community regarding how to deal with those questions.
 
Ekadh Singh
Ekadh Singh
For some reason the old featured posts are still showing up on my sidebar?
 
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Caching?
 
Ekadh Singh
Ekadh Singh
Of course
How could I forget that
 
Rob
Rob
5:30 PM
@PM2Ring Previously it was SBD, but now it's being reviewed; more of a question: Who runs the ship!
 
PM 2Ring
PM 2Ring
@Rob Thanks
 
Rob
Rob
5:46 PM
Ideally, if a moderator lacks expertise in a particular subject area (and there are a lot of moderators), they should skip the flag; leave it to someone who knows the answer. --- Now they propose that if someone insists that they are correct and votes the same way twice there will be consequences - I guess ideally they must skip the reopening/closing; but previously that wasn't the rule, and how to move forward is under discussion - but that's to be circumvented. - Possibly leaving < ppl.
strongly related discussion at MSO: Rule proposal: one delete/undelete per post (currently featured, tl;dr: moderators try to somehow manually compensate for the absence of a feature requested here) — gnat 10 hours ago
 
 
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Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
7:04 PM
@PM2Ring yeah, I mean it's pretty rare for these homework dump to be on other part of the site beside SO (Here I'm comparing this to Unix.SE since I'm more used to that) but at least on Unix.SE, when it do happen, most will either clean the post, or ask for clarification from the OP...very rarely close/vote for closing unless it's spam or something
@Rob I hope this won't affect review queue and the like...
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
that's unfortunate
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@JourneymanGeek I would have thought the same too, but then I recall of similar sized, (think world record kind) ceramic modeling, and when you know that people do much more crazy stuff with 3D printer...it kinda put things into a certain perspective you know?
@KevinB nice pfp. I'm unsure if it's a bat or a butterfly though? (the middle part remind me more of a butterfly)
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
it's a battleaxe
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@KevinB I see. I guess it does now that you mention it :o
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
i think it looks more like the bat signal
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
7:11 PM
@KevinB yeah, that's why I asked :) but if you look on the middle, it also kinda look like a butterfly
(you know, the middle part of a butterfly's body)
maybe I'm just biased because I looked at too much butterflies
 
Rob
Rob
@NordTheLoftyWizard It looks like it, you'll be doing your review only to discover that the first flagger has laid a trap for you - vote the same way twice and you are wrong. There's a recent Q&A on MSE by Mach ...
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@Rob that is very sad then...and here I thought of stepping up my game and doing more reviews queue :/
welp, just my luck I guess
 
Rob
Rob
One site only, ATM.
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@Rob yeah I know -- but it's always happening this way, first it's one site, then another, so on...before you know it, it already spread everywhere and you missed the news about it
and then you get hit by the new regulation/restriction/etc
 
Rob
Rob
@NordTheLoftyWizard You can vote or provide your own solution.
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
7:16 PM
I wouldn't mind if this was done outside of the review queue, but the fact it also affect people like me who just want to actively contribute every day :/ it's kinda sad is all
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
the rule they're proposing will impact a number far smaller than the 0.0015% comment
 
Rob
Rob
A new flavor for SO review audits - that we all know and love.
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@KevinB yeah, indeed
@Rob ah yes. sarcasm when it get you
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
the problem is, because there's no site-enforced rule for it at the moment, there's no fair wait to enforce it without creating a policy, or deciding all cases will just remain undeleted.
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@Rob done :)
 
Rob
Rob
7:18 PM
Except this time it's a manually applied ban for a correct review.
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
this ^
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
wouldn't a mod be able to tell if the action was taken from review vs directly?
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@Rob Like i get if this was done outside review queue (as in, to protect from spammer/targeted action/etc) but if this is done in good faith, it just hurt the whole "contributing" thing
@KevinB that's a good question. Didn't thought of asking that before :o
 
Rob
Rob
If they dig, but that's not the rule, the rule is don't do it.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
I think if you've already reviewed a post (or flagged it, or voted to delete it) it won't be presented to you again?
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
7:23 PM
even if it enters the queue again a few days later? (i wouldn't know, i don't use the queues)
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@Tinkeringbell yes, but what if you do it outside of the review queue (say, because it's on the main board of whatever SE sites or SO) and then it appear in the review queue? (although I'm unsure if this can actually happen, but I wouldn't be surprised)
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
then it will be reviewed if someone flags it by a mod
it's not an instant or guaranteed ban, i trust our mods can see the difference, since they're the ones proposing it
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@KevinB I don't think I ever got to review the same post more than once... At least not before I was a mod. But I admit that was quite a while ago already....
I would argue to kill that beast once it starts bothering people: If you have evidence that people can be served the same post to review twice, and thus inadvertently review in good faith and delete vote twice, then you can write an answer or question on Meta.SO and ask moderators what you or they are supposed to do in such cases ;-)
Since the MSO discussion post mentions enforcement through warnings and suspensions, I kinda trust you'll be warned first and can then immediately raise the issue, instead of having to sit out a 1 year suspension first :P
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
right, it's basically formalizing "better" (open to disagreement) alternative to locking.
at least, in the case of people disagreeing on whether or not it should be deleted
of course, there's some who believe if there's any disagreement, that's grounds for it to remain open regardless
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@KevinB Yeah. This is basically saying that if the votes are divided, you're stuck waiting for a fresh vote to be added to the pile, instead of the same few people engaging in some sort of stale-mate.
I think it's at least slightly better for the people whose questions suffer from these 'wars'....
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
7:39 PM
depends on the case, quite a few popular off topic questions benefited from the alterative, in that they still exist (in a locked state)
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
Well locking is also still an option once the discussion moves to meta....
I think locking is one of those things that you mainly only need once your site is >10 years old and it's scope has slightly shifted over time.... And the delete wars seem to be mostly on recent (meta) questions lately if I understood the MSO posts right.
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@Tinkeringbell right, but the hard part is knowing when it actually happen. Then again, you mentioned "warning" so I guess it's probably fine either way, since there be a way to hopefully know when it happen in good faith and whatnot
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
recent allegedly duplicate regexp questions. There's a group of users who routinely delete duplicates 10 or so days after it was closed, and another group who undeletes them, then it ends up on meta
i don't quite understand why they wait till it is deleted to act on the post, unless it's the whole... i just lost rep
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@KevinB Ah. Yeah I just play moderator roomba on such questions myself so :P
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
yeah... i think it makes more sense on meta to just nuke them, SO is a bit different
more nuance
you can't estimate what someone else will search for, while it's incredibly unrealistic to expect someone to do the research to determine whether or not a given sign post isn't already covered by any of the other thousand duplicates
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
7:53 PM
@Rob I only buy the 0% Heineken if I'm in the mood for beer, but not for alcohol. And to be honest its the only good 0% I've come across so far. All other Heineken just tastes terrible, or has a lack of taste to be more precise, and induces headaches soon after.
I wonder what the two reasons not to buy Grolsch are you see in that Wiki
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
8:14 PM
@KevinB I was mostly thinking IPS, where some questions still attract 'answers' (read opinions) before being closed ;) But yeah, on meta some duplicates are better off deleted to, though most of the time that's because the comment section just won't shut up and starts talking about beer and pineapple on pizza too.
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
I just had pineapple on my pizza :)
 
Rob
Rob
Carelessness and customer fraud.
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
Customer fraud is not really tied to a brand, all major brands were involved, covering 95% of the market. So in that regard I shouldn't drink any beer ;)
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@Luuklag I always wondered how the two combined would taste :O (please don't say chicken, although I don't mind it)
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@Rob What carelessness do you hint at, the fireworks part?
@NordTheLoftyWizard well pretty much like they do seperately
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
8:27 PM
@Luuklag hmm, intriguing.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@NordTheLoftyWizard Pizza with chicken and pineapple often still tastes very much like chicken :P
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@Tinkeringbell hmmmm maybe we should put chicken tonight on a pizza
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@Luuklag gatsie!
2
Though probably better than tomato sauce :P
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@Tinkeringbell yeah, I guess the chicken taste overtake everything else hmm
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@NordTheLoftyWizard My favorite pizza (in fact, one of the few I'll actually eat without gagging) is one with a barbecue sauce (instead of tomato puree), chicken, kebab, and pineapple ;)
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
8:30 PM
@Tinkeringbell sounds nice, although I never tried pineapple on pizza myself
I'm still wondering: how do you even make those stereotypical pizza with tons of cheese? like the one you see on movies I mean (eg: where someone take a slice and the cheese just won't stop coming out)
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@NordTheLoftyWizard That's glue, not cheese.
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
take a pizza, and add cheese
then add some more chees
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
and some more cheese
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@Tinkeringbell WHAT??!! I was fooled all this time O-O
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
8:32 PM
imo cheese that does that is irritating anyway
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@Luuklag see, I tried that, but then the cheese somehow make a more solid thing because of the heat, and doesn't look like the ones in the movies trope
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@KevinB You were born with front teeth, you use those to gnaw your way through :P
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
always happens with cheese in taco soup
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@KevinB I would think so too, but it always seemed good when looking at it (only saw them in movies though)
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@KevinB taco soup? What kind of .... nevermind.
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
8:33 PM
it's very similar to chili
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@Tinkeringbell You can make soup of any leftovers, ask my dad
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@KevinB right, I did managed to do this in soup (wasn't taco soup) I guess it work better with liquid dishes
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@Luuklag Yeah, it's called a blender :P
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
He can even turn soup into pastasauce and then back into soup the day after
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
effectively is chilli, except taco sauce and no beans
well, beans are fine
why not
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
8:34 PM
@Luuklag let me guess: water is the secret sauce? :D
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@Luuklag Oh he's one of those...... I had that once and I'm never going to try it again!
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@Tinkeringbell try chicken soup -- by using left over chicken skin and meat, boil it in hot water, pour in a bit of sauce (of your choice) and it usually work
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
actualy prefer taco soup over chilli
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@NordTheLoftyWizard Oh, we do make chicken soup! :)
We usually add a 'maggiblokje' though, it's like a sugar cube, but salty :D
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@Tinkeringbell with or without bones? I'm asking because some restaurant use bones powder for the textures of the soup
 
Ryan M
Ryan M
8:36 PM
@Tinkeringbell I've seen posts I've voted on presented to me as audits, and I've seen posts I've voted to close presented to me in the reopen queue. I'm not sure if I've ever been presented the same post in the same queue twice as not an audit.
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@Tinkeringbell well he does a great job. He can turn left over tomato soup, into pastasauce, and then the left over sauce into vegetable soup
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@NordTheLoftyWizard Usually, with bones :)
Though we take them out before eating ;)
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@Tinkeringbell yeah, feel there always something missing without those
@Tinkeringbell haha yeah
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@RyanM Yeah, but posts you've voted to close in the reopen queue isn't that weird. Call me again when you're presented with them in the close vote queue again :P
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@Luuklag wait, isn't pastasauce just tomato sauce? I at least had that impression
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
8:38 PM
@Luuklag Well the one time I had something like that, it went something like this:
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@NordTheLoftyWizard well you can put anything in it. My dad usually uses loads of vegetables and also pumpkin as substitute for tomato
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
We were out in the wilderness using stone tools to rebuild a prehistoric house and cooking on a campfire. We were promised hard labor and good food, but that immediately turned out to be a lie when we were eating no meat (not calling it vegetarian, because there weren't any replacements like nuts/eggs/certain vegetables for the meat either).
 
Rob
Rob
@Luuklag That led to the discovery that they had asbestos and liquid ammonia, placing everyone at greater risk: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enschede_fireworks_disaster#Damage sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2212420921001370#! - will need to research further, later.
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@Luuklag I see. Didn't thought there could be added vegetables in it :o (pumpkin as tomato substitute is an interesting idea too)
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
So, this lady kind of demanded 'cooking rights', but she was a horrible cook. One night, she served us 'tomato soup', which was basically water flavored with some of those pureed tomatoes out of a carton, and a lot of rice/beans to 'give it some body'. Basically, you were eating very wet rice/beans, with just enough tomato in the water to ruin the taste.
No one really ate much, so at least three quarters of her 'pan of soup' remained.
(We got sausages and another campfire later that evening).
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
8:41 PM
@Rob ah okay, well there are still loads of buildings using asbestos roofs. New usage of the stuff has long been banned, but recently a ban on having such a roof was canceled.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
That pan of soup was then left to simmer over the fire all day next day, but of course people get distracted and stuff so the rice/beans kinda burned on the bottom because people didn't really stir. But indeed the next day, she tried to serve us that mess as a pasta sauce (it was, by that time, perhaps just the right thickness for a tomato soup XD)
We again got sausages and made another campfire that evening.
 
Ryan M
Ryan M
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@Rob Also it wasn't the greatest mind who planned a neighbourhood around such a heavy industrie area. My FiL was at the airforcebase in Enschede when these things happened. He saw a lot of grim things that day.
 
Tinkeringbell
Tinkeringbell
@RyanM Mkay. But 'leave open' in review isn't exactly the same as casting a close or reopen vote.
But you're right, you were allowed to review that post twice :)
And since that means I might've been wrong, that means it's time for me to shamefully retreat to bed ;)
Good night!
 
Ryan M
Ryan M
Good night o/
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
8:45 PM
Night!
@RyanM welp, looks like this can indeed happen. Thanks for clearing my doubt about this (since I wasn't sure if this could happen or not based on earlier conversation)
 
Rob
Rob
It's tough when things are built under old regulations, and there's a resistance to adopt new regulations. We have that for Sprinklers in residential buildings, new construction gets them, old construction is supposed to have them retrofitted.
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
@Rob We have loads of these things. The problem is ofcourse that everything costs money.
And the thing with asbestos is that it isn't harmfull as long as it is left in place. Only when things get stirred up danger arises.
With demolitions you can take the appropriate precautions, but unfortunately with incidents like fires you can't. So it would be best to have everything removed. But as long as the gov. isn't going to shell out the money for that to happen it isn't going to.
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
just print more money
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
They subsidised it a lot though, by having extra subsidies on installing solar when you remove asbestos
Ideally we would even find a way to recycle, or at least dispose of it propperly
Right now we end up tripple wrapping it in plastic and sending it to the landfill
thats a new drama waiting to unfold.
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@KevinB don't know much about this but, wouldn't that make the currency less valuable?
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
9:00 PM
@NordTheLoftyWizard In theory yes, in practice not so much
It's all about supply and demand these days, the link with Gold has long been gone for most currencies
If it would be true the USD would litterally be completely worthless 10 times over already
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@Luuklag really? then how come most country that could do it don't (other than the US i mean)?
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
most countries do. The EU does it on a massive scale as well.
 
Nord The Lofty Wizard
Nord The Lofty Wizard
@Luuklag I see. I guess i thought most countries didn't want to or were thinking it was frowned upon hmm
 
Luuklag
Luuklag
btw any RO want's to pin the message about downtime?
 
Rob
Rob
9:40 PM
@KevinB Then your money ends up less valuable than Zimbabwe toilet paper, which used to sell for $417 for a single two-ply sheet, and weekly family earnings were $10 / week - so it was cheaper to use money.
 
Kevin B
Kevin B
that is an acceptable outcome
 
Rob
Rob
Yeah, but you are rich:
 

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