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Rob

00:11

@TheforestofReinstateMonica Like this:

for multiple lines just keep typing
Shift enter
Then pick the fixed font thing that turns up

Journeyman Geek

03:09

→ 10 messages moved to Chimney

Oops, wrong room....

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

07:22

@JourneymanGeek ?

oh, forest test messages? But why trashcan? We also have sandbox room.

Sandbox/Trash Bin/Something

For stuff not fitting in ordinary rooms

Journeyman Geek

07:40

chimney was the wrong room also :D

its ok though

Rob

Actually, when the mod changes the room it doesn't change the message; so that's a bug, or at the very least a Feature Request for a correct message (not for ROs, only Mods; with message edit permission).

Journeyman Geek

@Rob well No, cause I didn't move it from here to the trashcan. I moved it from here to the chimney to the trashcan

Rob

But, there's no message in the Chimney nor the Trashcan; only the incorrect message here - the trail went cold.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

in Chimney, 5 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek

→ 10 messages moved to Trashcan

There is message in chimney.

Trail is visible.

Rob

Ah, I missed that; still no update here, and such an edit could be done manually (so it could/should be done automatically). Much like if a question were migrated from site to site; you'd want the message given to be correct.

Not that I lose sleep over this, but it could be a request for the person wishing to write it.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

07:59

@Rob not really.... messages were moved from here to room A. Auto message was posted linking to room A saying messages moved to that room. After a while (and it could also be after hours/days/weeks/years) someone moved the messages from room A to room B. This got nothing to do with this room, the message here should not be edited.

Luuklag

o/

Tinkeringbell

\o

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It's even better, each chat message records its movement path, e.g. chat.meta.stackexchange.com/messages/8766886/history

Can't really be better than that.

Rob

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Checking: Price unaffected.

You announce your movements too.

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@Rob tea!

sdc tea Rob

SmokeDetector

08:02

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating brews a cup of chamomile tea for @Rob

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

Done.

Rob

Better than Earl Grey.

sdc coffee Sha

SmokeDetector

@Rob brews a cup of Ristretto for @Sha

Luuklag

@Rob I never got that.

Rob

Earl Grey tastes awful (to me).

Luuklag

08:05

I don't like it either, which is for most tea

Just English blend if it has to be something

Rob

But Earl Grey, have you tried it?

Luuklag

yup, tried many flavours

Tea just isn't for me I guess

Rob

Star Trek - Picard "Tea, Earl Grey, Hot" Clips

►

It's like burnt lavender flavor, with burnt hair.

Luuklag

@Rob unique pallet

Rob

Even Kopi Luwak sounds better than Earl Grey, once you've tasted the latter.

Luuklag

08:17

Damn our weather is crazy right now:

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@Rob funny, both my wife and (older) daughter love Earl Grey. Son and younger daughter don't like tea. (and here, all my family members in one message. ;))

Luuklag

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@Luuklag tea isn't your cup of tea.

Luuklag

In 9 days from a low of -10,9 to a high of 16.9

Tinkeringbell

I find that nice. No 'months of dreary weather' that's too hot to go ice-skating but too cold to walk outside without a jacket XD

Luuklag

08:18

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating nope, coffee is

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@Rob does Earl Grey go through similar process?

@Luuklag coffee is your cup of tea? Interesting! :D

Rob

It probably uses the Daisy Chain process.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Luuklag huh, here lowest we get is 3 celcius. (in my area, for @Mithical it drops below zero sometimes)

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Thats the meditereanen climate for you

rene

@Luuklag it has been a hell of a ride. Please fly KNMI again on your next trip ...

Rob

08:22

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating To make Earl Grey several people eat a bowl of tea, in succession. Here's the first bowl:

Note the dirty spoon handle.

Journeyman Geek

@Rob naw it's one person. It's.. nobili tea

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@Luuklag yup

@Rob and then they wait?

Though urine arrive pretty fast, it's efficient.

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

08:48

@TheforestofReinstateMonica Japanese. The bane of manga translators whenever a new character is introduced and you don't know yet if they are male, female, a single entity or multiple ones.

Luuklag

@JNat the backlog is building steadily again. Here another cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/20671299/ranker-good?tab=accounts

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

And then you assume it was just one deity they were talking about, just to discover three chapters later... they where five separate one.

and then you have to try and fix the mess.

.....

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@Luuklag Save him a step by linking to accounts tab? ;)

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

yet.... far better than English, I agree

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating fair enough

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

08:51

@Luuklag poof

hehe

Does poof delete any Smokey message?

!!/coffee test

yup.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

09:27

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе cough Shinsekai Yori cough

Mithical

hasn't snowed in a couple days but the snow still hasn't cleared up

Luuklag

@Mithical Same was here, untill it started raining, then it was gone instantly. Except for some very large piles that were left by the snowplows.

Luuklag

09:59

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating guess not

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

10:30

@Mithical poor snow is dirty.... maybe shower it so it will be clean? :D

@Luuklag must be in the 2 minutes window, Smokey has no diamond. ;)

Try with a coffee/tea message, right after it's being posted.

Luuklag

sdc tea Sha

yup, works

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my tea... :(

Luuklag

all this declined, deferred discussion...

I guess its hard to make tags unambiguous

Also the tag description for status-deferred states: "Indicates that the feature request or bug has merit to consider, but will not be implemented or fixed in the near term." So if something is not deferred, but declined one could reason a FR has no merit. — Luuklag 2 days ago

and the following responses from jnat

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@Luuklag yeah it's a mess by now.

Luuklag

Maybe we should post a FR to make tags unambiguous ;)

Tinkeringbell

10:40

@Luuklag Sure, you can always ask that :) I'd make it discussion first though, not FR I think at this time, there's been enough rambling about the meanings of deferred vs declined that talking about a better tag description might do wonders ;)

JNat

planned -> on the roadmap, and prolly about to be worked on; could prolly provide reasonable ETA
deferred -> not on the immediate roadmap, but likely to be picked up in the near future; can't provide ETA
declined -> no plans of making it to the roadmap at the moment (roadmaps change, though, which is why it's not meant to be permanent)

^^ does that help, @Luuklag?

We can prolly change the tags' description though, to your point

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

declined has a final sound to it.

Meta Andrew T.

I guess we do need a meta post to clarify the meaning of status-anything tags

JNat

there's plenty of stuff tagged [status-deferred] for years on end, @ShadowWizardisVaccinating... doesn't sound definitive, maybe, but for some requests it has effectively been definitive :P

Meta Andrew T.

Probably, status-planned, status-deferred, status-6-8-weeks, status-declined

Tinkeringbell

10:46

I still find the difference between 'deferred' and 'declined' so minimal... it's either 'likely to be on a roadmap but it might not happen' or 'not likely to be on the roadmap but could still happen'

JNat

I think the one thing we can all agree on is the fact that Meta is not a great bug tracker, heh?

@Tinkeringbell this, yes

Tinkeringbell

And that sucks because if you ask me, those two both average out to 'maybe on a roadmap, maybe not' :P

Journeyman Geek

@JNat well jira + meta users.... 😁

Meta Andrew T.

Anyway, I guess it's because we are already used to the finality(?) of other bug trackers for 'declined' usage, that it's less likely to change in the future

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek We need new tags. Status-insprint, status-nextsprint, status-backlog and status-torefine ;)

Journeyman Geek

10:51

@Tinkeringbell twitch

Luuklag

@JNat That would be best, although I still disagree with your reasoning

As Declined sounds very final, which is also how it currently is described.

JNat

@Luuklag you mean you disagree with our current usage?

Luuklag

The SE staff sees no merit in the proposal

So anything that you see merit in, but won't be working on would be best tagged deferred

And that deferred is then indefinetly is a sideeffect of that

But by your current usage you imply that you see no merit in a proposal / bug, although that might not be the case, as you explained in your answer

Meta Andrew T.

@Tinkeringbell hmm, I like status-backlog

Luuklag

But now you have a discrepancy between the tags used on the Q, and the answer you gave

JNat

10:54

so you'd rather have a ton of perma-deferred requests, is what you're saying, @Luuklag?

Luuklag

@JNat That would be more in line with the past usage, and the tagdescriptions yes.

JNat

@Luuklag so, if we disregard past usage, and edit the tag descriptions, we'd be fine, no?

^_^

Luuklag

At least the ambiguity is gone then ;)

Meta Andrew T.

But yeah, without reading the tag description, I'd imply "declined" as "won't fix" (from other bug tracker)

Luuklag

@MetaAndrewT. yeah also true. I guess that's the most logical association that people have with "Declined"

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

10:59

OK, who to vote for?

Israel elections are going to take place in one month. :D

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating time to get out that random number generator again

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@Mithical you can finally cast a vote.... ;)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating depends. I can't read any of that 🐕

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@Luuklag rofl

@JourneymanGeek all the same: blah blah blah, promise A, promise B, and we'll never actually do any of this.

Mithical

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating gotta figure out who to cast it for

Journeyman Geek

11:01

/me just had his second Covid shot

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@JourneymanGeek nice! I'm getting the second shot in 5 hours.

Meta Andrew T.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating I chose "7y - Yn", whatever it means...

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@MetaAndrewT. huh? Please FHRC it.... ;)

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek I haven't heard anything about mine yet, but I'll probably only be able to get the one that's only 60 percent effective... Which is only slightly better than the 50/50 'this grocery trip might kill you or not'

Meta Andrew T.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

11:04

@MetaAndrewT. blank?

John Dvorak

@MetaAndrewT. I wonder if this "transliteration" to Latin is actually readable to Hebrew typists

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Tinkeringbell you got a first dose?

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Nope, not yet.

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@Mithical but you're going to vote for one of the big parties?

Meta Andrew T.

@JohnDvorak I tried hard enough though...

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

11:06

@Tinkeringbell oh... well no rush, I hope.

John Dvorak

I'd just go for the only safe option: a blank ballot

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@JohnDvorak readable sure, but no idea what he meant, still no idea as he marked a blank spot.... ?

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Nope, not here. As far as I know, normal people (so not old or sick or ...) will get a single-shot vaccine that has a lousy protection rate. And well, if the only one I can get is only 60 percent effective, I might not bother at all.

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@JohnDvorak many do it as act of despair/rebellion against the system, but it's pointless.

It just cause the valid votes to have more weight.

@Tinkeringbell I would... better 60% than 0% unless there are proven hard side effects.

(IMO)

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell oh. Mine is the good stuff 😁

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

11:10

And with all the recent mutations of the virus, younger people started to get it more, so...

@JourneymanGeek the one from Germany? Same company that makes Viagra? ;)

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Like I said, it's hardly better than the 50/50 I have now. And once people start feeling safe again and disregarding precautions, you can bet that 60 percent protection means even less under changed circumstances.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Tinkeringbell wait... what 50/50 you have now? What did I miss?

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Right now, it's 50/50: Either I encounter a covidiot or not.

So either I get covid, or I don't. And that's with everyone taking precautions and stuff.

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@Tinkeringbell not really... if you're in close proximity to COVID patient it's much more than 50%.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating True, which is why I do my best to keep those out of my life.

John Dvorak

11:13

I wonder, is there any other country than where I live that'd introduced a double mask requirement?

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Tinkeringbell you can't know.... even your family can get it, sometimes without symptoms so you won't even know.

That's the worst part, the inability to know who got it.

Tinkeringbell

@JohnDvorak It would never work here... people would argue along a line similar to that the government can't force you to wear underpants, let alone pants... while asking the same government to ban the wear of shirts ;)

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@JohnDvorak sounds silly at first but.... who knows? Here it was never even considered.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Yeah, that's the russian roulette part. Living with a covidiot doesn't make that easier, but the chances are still 50/50 as long as he's not proven covid positive: You get it or you don't.

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So you really wear double mask? @John

John Dvorak

11:15

ah, there are some "initiatives" to remove some countermeasures here too... but they don't ask for masks to be derequired, only for restaurants and shops to be open

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating it only goes into effect tomorrow

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating uhm. Didn't cross my mind. They do make things other than lil blue pills

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@JohnDvorak oh, I see. Here they started to require "vaccine confirmation" from people.

John Dvorak

I do wonder though if I can fit a single mask with nose tissues and call it good

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@JourneymanGeek little pill, big effect. :D

@JohnDvorak only one way to find out.... ;)

John Dvorak

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating nice... but how long until those certificates are going to be written on people's "foreheads and right hands"?

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

11:18

@JohnDvorak for now it's either with a smartphone app, or written certificate.

John Dvorak

oh, nice

Tinkeringbell

@JohnDvorak Hopefully, not too long! I'd love it if everyone that isn't a covidiot and that sticks to the measures just has one of those green sims things... on the other hand there'd be so little of them my faith in humanity would be lost XD

John Dvorak

here you get a paper with a QR code... that leads to a site that says "verification is tbd"

I do wonder if literally drawing the QR code on your forehead would count.

Tinkeringbell

I wonder how long until everyone is just using the same QR code...

It doesn't sound like that code is in any way tied to you, personally

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Mithical

11:22

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating *shrugs*

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@Tinkeringbell it is, but it's also possible to just generate one with your own details.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Lovely fool-proof system then. Stay careful!

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lol

Well faking this will lead to criminal charges same as forging passport.

Tinkeringbell

If discovered.

I somehow doubt the person scanning these at e.g. a concert will do more than watch to see if the screen says okay or not okay.

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@Tinkeringbell sure, but still... hopefully not many will do it.

Change of subject!

Today's lunch ^^

rene

11:26

The keys look tasteful

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Someone entered the office and sold it for 15 NIS.

Tinkeringbell

Blegh, baguette with plastic and sticker isn't a personal favorite here.

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@Tinkeringbell it's also kind of donation to small business... ;)

John Dvorak

@Tinkeringbell the QR code leads to a website, so perhaps there will be a photo of the owner on the site that anything bigger will have to actually check?

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Okay. Never buy or take food from strangers like that!

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

11:27

@rene sure, but Tim won't get them back.

Tinkeringbell

@JohnDvorak I mean, I sincerely hope those things are made absolutely fool-proof!

John Dvorak

(the QR code in the example just links to the Hebrew Wikipedia frontpage)

Tinkeringbell

But it just doesn't do much to make me trust it XD

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@Tinkeringbell but... she was nice... and pretty....

:)

John Dvorak

> 16 It puts under compulsion all people—the small and the great, the rich and the poor, the free and the slaves—that these should be marked on their right hand or on their forehead, 17 and that nobody can buy or sell except a person having the mark, the name of the wild beast or the number of its name. 18 This is where it calls for wisdom: Let the one who has insight calculate the number of the wild beast, for it is a man’s number, and its number is 666.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

11:29

@JohnDvorak sure, it's just a sample. They won't publish actual personal certificate online. :)

@JohnDvorak ?

John Dvorak

I'm of course not saying that vaccination is bad, but what chance is there the next bug that comes brings with it some rather ... unacceptable ... restrictions?

wild hypothesis, the next bug that comes has only vaccines made of blood available against it, god-abiding people realize that that specific vaccine is no-go, vaccination is mandatory, fun ensues

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

Next bug might also turn us into zombies.

John Dvorak

~~we already are~~

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

I'm the last one who deserves to say it, but... speculations about the future are futile. :)

(since I keep doing it, lol ;))

Meta Andrew T.

If any RO is still awake, could you prettify the pinned chat message about the new CM, please..?

Journeyman Geek

11:40

@MetaAndrewT. I'm awake but on the way home. Throw me a link and if someone has not done it yet, I will do the needful

Tinkeringbell

@MetaAndrewT. Not an RO, but there you go.

Meta Andrew T.

I guess curiosity works... thanks!

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@Tinkeringbell ayo ayo!

Sign that my mother is bored: she's sending my this picture in WhatsApp...

Luuklag

Is that Shadow as a child?

Tinkeringbell

That's one ugly picture.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

11:50

@Luuklag yup

@Tinkeringbell the child me is offended! :P

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Were hairdressers also closed back then? ;)

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@Luuklag I let only my aunt to cut my hair while I was a child.... :-O

(until I was 12 or so, then switched to my grandfather's hairdresser)

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating you visited that aunt only once a year? ;)

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@Luuklag she came to visit once in a while, yeah... using only scissors. :D

But hey.... she's the only reason I got into shape as teenager.

(I was chubby and hated sport of any kind)

Luuklag

I never was chubby, untill I went to Uni and started drinking beer 5/7 days

Now I could do with 5-10 kg less

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

11:58

Huh!! turns out that my hairdresser got his 6-8 seconds of fame in the past. LOL

Luuklag

Love how everything is Hebrew, and the adds are just in Dutch xD

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Luuklag heh, well, no beer for me, just lots of food and lack of any activity.

@Luuklag Google magic... :D

Luuklag

especially in those side bars, with more articles. Really shows the level of that site xD

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@Luuklag well others are worse, so I stick with it. (it's a major online newspaper)

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Yeah before I went to Uni I had a physically very demanding weekend/holiday job. So I could eat practically anything I wanted.

John Dvorak

12:00

Fun fact, if you translate the page to English, the cookie confirmation button's text escapes the button and becomes white on white

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@JohnDvorak lol

John Dvorak

OK, this is adorable
> ?Did the article interest you

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oh wait

Luuklag

What bot voted my answer?:

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

No it's not the newspaper site, lol.

It's of one of the major TV channels.

Luuklag

12:01

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@Luuklag same for me, after army.

@Luuklag hmm? Why bot?

John Dvorak

~~it's kinda hard to learn from your mistakes if the first one sends you to jail for negligence.~~

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> +50 18:29 5 events Community Manager Tips from the Community
+10 18:29 upvote
+10 15:29 upvote
+10 14:20 upvote
+10 11:18 upvote
+10 08:45 upvote

Fun fact..... turns out the aunt I mentioned is the one who sent the pictures to my mother (her sister)..... she told me just now, I had no idea. :P

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

12:26

!!/coffee g3r

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating brews a cup of Espresso for @g3r

g3rv4

thanks, you've just reminded me I need some IRL coffee

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@g3rv4 my pleasure! ;)

Your daughter keeps you busy while you're at home?

g3rv4

yeah, last night was particularly rough... with a fever we have no explanation for. Not great, def not excited in the covid era

hope we get to vaccinating people soon :) did you get yours already?

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

13:19

@g3rv4 I'm getting second dose in few hours. :)

@g3rv4 sorry to hear... such nights are the worst. :/

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Cause I said something about us all being human, clearly someone disagreed, hence they can't be human, hence they must be a bot

I just had a test once again

Been having this cold since christmas

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@Luuklag oh lol

@Luuklag cold isn't COVID symptom, I think...

Is it?

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating a cough a runny nose and a headache are considered symptoms here

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Luuklag oh. Hope you'll turn out negative!

Here a fever is a "must".

Luuklag

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Yeah I'm pretty sure it will again, not much symptoms have changed, and no other members of my family are sick

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

13:27

@Luuklag good

Luuklag

But then I'll visit my GP when I get the results tomorrow. Went there 3 weeks ago, and turned out I had a mild case of pneumonia

Not completely sure that got fixed with the antibiotics

Tinkeringbell

13:44

Fingers crossed.

Journeyman Geek

13:59

@Luuklag funny thing is, I'd be unsure what to tell a new CM

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Hi, welcome to the zoo.

Don't mess up or we'll hate you forever.

Don't be infallible either, we'll hate you for that too.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating looks nicer than ours

rene

Lazy indeed ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell oh actually useful stuff

There's a ton of context that comes with most of the stuff I know :D

Tinkeringbell

So, your advice would be : Get context XD

Journeyman Geek

14:15

Ah, but I've got years of being here to know things like what to google to find specific Jeff era rulings :D

or that complaining about not being able to find stuff on meta here is a sure way to trick someone into doing all the work

Tinkeringbell

"Know where and how to get context"

It's already getting wordier, I can imagine that a full answer might not fit the character limit ;)

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@JourneymanGeek better designer? ;)

Journeyman Geek

14:36

@Tinkeringbell Its a mix of "almost half a decade of modding" and "I don't want to be the guy who tells other people how to do their jobs"

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Heh. I can understand the latter. The first... well modding isn't community management ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell Oh, that's kinda one of the dichotomies here

To an extent, SE's model of community management is based on our model of moderation

so least the way we're used to things, there's a lot of transferable skills

Meta for example :)

Tinkeringbell

Oh, not saying there's no overlap... but they're also not the same things.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

14:55

In Israel even rocks get a vaccine...

Tinkeringbell

Okay, now I'm sensing a conspiracy theory involving microchips.

Feeds

Choosing Java instead of C++ for low-latency systems

Ryan Donovan on February 22, 2021

When it comes to developing low latency software systems, the received wisdom is that you would be crazy to use anything but C++ because anything else has too high a latency. But I’m here to convince you of the opposite, counter-intuitive, almost heretical notion: that when it comes to achieving low latency in software systems, Java is better.

Luuklag

@Tinkeringbell Insert Bill Gates

John Dvorak

@Feeds 🚽

Rob

15:17

powermag.com/…

Tinkeringbell

Oh good. That was some crazy sh!t...

Rob

15:36

Maybe, monthly bill for some is still ranging from U$450 to U$17,000 - for a small home.

Variable billing means sometimes you get insanely cheap prices, and other times the opposite - you agree to pay the full amount. Unless you want poor credit, and a disconnection notice.

@Tinkeringbell Also crazy is that the person a block away gets a better price:

Rob

16:03

Peak Demand is either met, or there's a blackout. Meeting the demand not only involves paying for the larger wires in the first place, and having sources available on short notice, but also paying whatever the source can charge. It's supply and demand.

Demand response

Demand response is a change in the power consumption of an electric utility customer to better match the demand for power with the supply. Until recently electric energy could not be easily stored, so utilities have traditionally matched demand and supply by throttling the production rate of their power plants, taking generating units on or off line, or importing power from other utilities. There are limits to what can be achieved on the supply side, because some generating units can take a long time to come up to full power, some units may be very expensive to operate, and demand can at times...

Tinkeringbell

@Rob Now tell me a thing about the US that isn't crazy? ;)

Rob

@Tinkeringbell This.

Tinkeringbell

How's that not crazy? :P

Νеvеrꭑoꭇе

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating There is a difference though. You can't use "somepony" with @Theforest

Rob

@Tinkeringbell Because it's not this.

:P

Tinkeringbell

16:59

@Rob That's actually pretty!

Rob

17:13

@Tinkeringbell How about the firenados of Canberra:

Tinkeringbell

I think I would still love to see one in real life. From a safe distance :)

Rob

Can see in safety, over the Internet.

Tinkeringbell

Yeah but Internet isn't real life. There's something about seeing weather in real life that's very appealing.

John Dvorak

Is this the real life, or is this just fantasy?

Rob

Those were mostly in the Outback and not in the city, like the firenados of California were.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

17:16

@Tinkeringbell surprising enough, I don't think there's any conspiracy with COVID.

to have one, too many people would have to be 100% coordinated and have 0% leaks, and that's just not possible these days.

user400654

i mean

leaks aren't enough to convince everyone

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе that is true.

@user400654 huh? When you start with "I mean" it usually means you continue something you said right before....

I mean, what did I miss? ;)

Rob

@Tinkeringbell Weather can be dangerous, like flying railroad track:

Tinkeringbell

@Rob I know... it's part of why I like it.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@user400654 internet is full with fake leaks, so of course most won't fall for that.

Anyway, it's done! Second dose is doing its way inside my body right now.

Maybe there's a chip, I don't care.

beep

user400654

17:23

i'm recovering from actually having it still, nothing major tho

Rob

@Tinkeringbell Here is chasing a tornado in a vehicle, they got close.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@user400654 ouch, feel well!

Tinkeringbell

@Rob I don't know if I'd ever do that if given the chance... but it seems cool :)

Rob

Yup, they're crazy, and their friends pull up alongside to go with them.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

18:01

@Mithical you make משלוח מנות in the army?

:8767938 just crap not spam.

wow that's big:

Used to be in the footer, when did SE make it huge floating panel??

Tinkeringbell

It's also a horrible cookie. Looks more like a moon that's breaking up!

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Tinkeringbell it's.... a cookie.... huh! I honestly didn't notice until you said it.

Tinkeringbell

I mean the context helped me figure that out :P

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

Since I couldn't understand what it is, I just ignored it as some background noise.

Rob

That's half size. It used to be enormously huge.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

18:05

@Rob proof?

Rob

Yes.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

It was wide, sure, but not floating.

Rob

Tinkeringbell

This is the new Manager for the CM team

4

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

And meanwhile close to my home....

@Tinkeringbell picture caused me to auto upvote before even reading.

Rob

18:11

Haha, I thought you wrote: "This is the newer Cookie Manager" (before you edited your comment); and saw that cookie eating face. Awww.

Tinkeringbell

" She loves helping animals" .. good addition then. Lots of animals that could use help here.

Rob

The job is done and I go out
Another boring day
I leave it all behind me now
So many worlds away

Mithical

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating dunno yet

Tinkeringbell

@Rob now I lay me down to sleep

Don't know the rest of that in English XD

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

@Mithical oh. I didn't make any during army service, but received couple when stationed in remote bases, it was nice and tasty. :D

Rob

18:15

The song is called "The Zoo".

Tinkeringbell

@Rob Ahh. Yeah :P

4 hours ago, by Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Hi, welcome to the zoo.

@ShadowWizardisVaccinating Well there's a lot less picture now... I wonder if SE would ever consider having text around pictures? Somehow that empty space besides the picture might perfectly fit some text XD

Rob

The Incredible Shrinking Woman.

It's lost it upvote worthiness now. :(

Tinkeringbell

Tempted to post a picture of our (past) rabbit in return, but... it's a dead rabbit now so it might not be very nice XD

Rob

A couple of us have posted our disagreement with the practice, and someone reverted her edit previously; yet she persists; not everyone has a 640x480 screen, upgrade your equipment.

Tinkeringbell

@Rob Well, I do like smaller pictures

Rob

18:26

So the original author was wrong to post that size ...

Tinkeringbell

Meh. 'wrong' is a big word. :P

Rob

The "fix" is to make it clickable using [1][2]

Tinkeringbell

But I don't mind that it's smaller.

Isn't it?

it is

Rob

That's why I used it, to clearly delineate the two sides.

The editor tells the OP that their edit represents an improvement, and isn't trivial; it's necessary.

Shadow Wizard is Vaccinating

hmm... so ayo still doesn't have the staff banner on his profile... time for bug report.

@Tinkeringbell should be possible.

@Tinkeringbell post its good side. ;)

Tinkeringbell

18:32

Zoey only had good sides (okay, until she got brain cancer and her eye started popping out)

Rob

Have it spin and zoom.

Tinkeringbell

Sandbox/Trash Bin/Something

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