@Spevacus "Downvotes bad" "Downvoters bad" "Downvoter haz some psychological malfunction that makes him want to terrorize other people's livelihood" "I KNEW SO would turn like this" "I miss the old days when people were nice and did each other's homew . . . favors"
"require a comment with a downvote" "require a downvote with a comment" "require a comment for upvotes" "require a comment for viewing and not voting" (true story) "only the first downvoter needs to comment" "downvoters should not be anonymous and well within sniper rifle range" "I got 2 whole downvotes and I demand them reversed"
you know if they were changing the downvote/upvote tooltips - why not change the Meta (this & site metas) ones first? - where voting actually is different
There was one who train that nested three levels at least. "Why my questions on main getting downvoted?" "Why my meta post getting downvoted" "Why my meta post about getting downvoted getting downvoted"
when I can type the question title into google verbatim and the clearly explained answer with examples is in the first 3 results that usually gets a thumbs down from me
I dont necessarily downvote questions that are poorly written or incomplete, closing is there for that. If it is a reasonably novel problem and it seems like the first action was not to just ask and have someone else do your googling then it's not really downvote worthy
I mostly inhabit SO & some science sites. Downvotes on questions: lack of research, which often includes basic erroneous assumptions. Also, blatant no-effort homework dumps.
Answers: poor quality or downright wrong info, although I usually post a comment (with a supporting link) & wait for the author to fix their answer. If they can't or won't fix it, I may downvote . Sometimes, I fix it myself, or post a competing answer.
I can even understand when something is obviously a duplicate but the asker didn't know that because of technical terms not being known to them, chain googling until you hit the right term can be confusing and lengthy. But if i can copy paste the title into google
I also downvote questions & answers if the English is so bad I can't figure out what they're trying to say. If I can figure it out, I may edit it to make it more comprehensible. I'm more strict on answers regarding clear language, since answers are more important for future readers.
Minor typos can often be blamed on people posting from their phone. But you should still read stuff after you submit it, just to be sure. Typos in code posted to SO or other coding related sites are much more serious. There's no excuse for posting code that you haven't tested by running or compiling it.
eh, I was pretty used to "voting" mechanics from reddit (upvote = "contributes to conversation", down = "does not contribute") but SO has a much stricter definition then even that so it can be hard to adjust
If you're given a 100 kites to rate from bad to good to American bald eagle, You'd be hyped and 'personal' in the beginning, but by the middle, feelings have mostly gone away
I mean, even on reddit you get tons of post about being downvoted so I assume people really just do not understand moderation and the code review process (which matches my experience with leading/teaching junior developers)
two of my coworkers would never improve this way you don't reach them by calling their code bad or their research bad. They're still good developers though, they just need a different learning method
@Magisch oh, I know that research (it certainly applies in a "school" setting) but it is every easy to take too far - to the point that you have students or junior devs who cannot function when told they are wrong. And making that work on a Q&A platform - I just don't see a way it couldn't become that
Researching properly can be hard, especially when you're new to the topic, so you don't yet know the proper keywords. But often that means you need to go back to the textbooks & learn the basics.
@LinkBerest Thats not where I'm going with this. It's true that downvotes always need to exist and the concept they represent needs to, too.
But it's worth investing in techniques that make it so that we have to downvote fewer posts by catching people making "downvote-able" mistakes earlier or before they make them.
ah, I am with the idea of adding some time of quality measurement or education besides up/down vote (esp. for those SQL Injection answers where just voting obviously doesn't work because they are everywhere)
@Rob Would it help if I changed the word 'repost'? These questions often do have minor edits, or sometimes even bigger ones, but they're still 'the same question' (as in, the question itself is still POB, unclear or off-topic, and the improvements focused on 'wrong' things)
@JourneymanGeek For the education side? no idea - people don't click on things and tend to get banner blind quickly (again, I do think if they wanted to change the tooltips - they should start with the metas where there is a clear distinction in voting)
But if you want a convenient way of ridding yourself of SQL injection answers, you need people who are almost fully trusted to make a judgement on that leave a mark on the post with their votes
@JourneymanGeek With the "other mechanism" : not thanks (which is not what I would mean) and we've tried comments but those get flagged and deleted (seriously) or lead to massive drama so I'm currently at - better ways for mods to handle comments then lets look at other metrics to add (or improve the tag "hammers")
@Spevacus There's a comment saying it should be on IPS Meta, and a comment saying they'd delete and repost. I guess the suspension came just in time ;)
@Tinkeringbell Yeah that meta post was going to be a dumpster fire given the little bit of context I got from reading the question. I was mid-comment (saw the "Show 2 comments" link) when it disappeared before my eyes.
@JourneymanGeek es verdad, but then getting "thanks" and the rest. I just look hard at the priorities of SE and go - so we still haven't changed and 2 years of feedback isn't changing that - why add more ideas to be ignored?
@Tinkeringbell Changing that one word would help immensely, "repost" is essentially post it again; while the banner asks for a "new" question, doesn't exclude abandoning that subject and going for something else, or a total rewrite.
Yes the "action" is to push the same button again, but the text ought to be wholly different; otherwise it's a minor edit - a major edit would invalidate votes or answers, and thus be revertable.
@Rob I'll put the clarification in the first paragraph, everywhere after that where I use repost people can assume it's not a copy-paste of the original question ;)
used to see that (rarely but still it happened) with Sandbox - more often they would either leave it closed because they worked it out or edit the question to fit the model and it would be re-opened
RPG is pretty good at going back and adjusting voting on posts that get improved. I can't think of any cases specifically where posting a new question was any kind of good option to take.
@Rob Don't worry. I was asking for anecdotes, mostly. No need to spend time hunting stuff down, though if you could make a compelling argument against the feature request that way, by all means go ahead :)
@LinkBerest True. IPS is very quiet too... we do have the Sandman post into our chat when there's a new one though, and I hope there's still a few regulars left that would help that way.
@Rubiksmoose As a casual reader... Yeah. RPG goes out of its way to help improve questions as much as possible. Maybe that's just the community that DND typically features, but the amount of closed questions/in danger of being closed questions that get improved and reopened are... way more than a lot of other sites, I'd like to think.
@Tinkeringbell our fallout is mostly due to fallout (most of our regulars, like myself, were also big supporters of M as you would expect on that site)
@Rubiksmoose The head programmer at my workplace used to be a Pro-Tem mod over there when the site first launched, I guess. He said his views on what should be closed and what shouldn't were much more forgiving, IIRC. He's quite the DnD-er, though.
I really wish I could get back into D&D (or Pathfinder really). Started to before all the closings then the group drifted apart again. Ah, well. One day my dwarf shall arise again
@LinkBerest :( Getting a group together and staying together is definitely one of the biggest challenges.
One thing though: if your group is down for lighter systems and short plays (or even one-shots) it is so much easier to get people together for one night to play something with no commitment and sometimes helps gets things rolling again :)
I'm lucky enough to have a campaign going right now. It's pretty awesome, but we lost 2 players (husband and wife) along the way because... they're... The way they want the game to be run wasn't how it was being run, and the expectations they had were a bit... Much.
@Rubiksmoose When I was in the Marines we had massive groups because it was easy to setup (everyone lived in barracks or housing) and we could continue when deployed with the short games (all your really need is some dice & pen & paper - we even sometimes just wrote some numbers on rocks for the dice)
@Spevacus ahhhhh yes. I've definitely been there before. Powergamers maybe? Or just expecting things to be more epic? Regardless, it is unfortunately common. :(
@Rubiksmoose The husband deliberately tried to metagame a lot (more intentional than unintentional, he's a DM as well). The wife... just... didn't care about giving the DM a backstory for her character, played a character that had a lot of quirks that derailed stuff in a not-so-entertaining way. It happens, we moved on. Not the harshest of feelings, I don't think.
Yeah, when your stuck on base waiting for your next mission - anything that passes the time is a good thing so all the old card games came out (including all the Pen & Paper ones - which were extra fun because they were such an escape from reality)
yeah, my group was more Pathfinder but I do remember a lot of Warhammer people (and we would always switch around for the short games just to keep things interesting)
Makes me chuckle to think of soldiers sitting around playing something like Golden Sky Stories just because of the contrast.
> Originally released in Japan as Yuuyake Koyake, Golden Sky Stories is a heartwarming, non-violent role-playing game that’s great fun for all ages. It takes place in a small town in rural Japan, and players take on the role of henge (...), animals with just a little magical power, including the ability to temporarily take human form. They do not fight great battles or unearth valuable treasures though; Golden Sky Stories adventures are all about helping others and becoming friends.
Just because I don't think I really answered... On SO Main: When the question fits any close reasons, is really poorly worded, no example explaining their current code/problem well enough for me to even piece it together... Stuff like that qualifies for a downvote. If the problem is pretty clear and I have something to at least think about/work with, I'll upvote, if not so that the OP feels recognized for their effort, so that others can recognize that it's a "good question" and weigh in.
For answers... If it... y'know... answers the question, and it's a good answer (no security risks, not an awful solution) I'll upvote. NAA's, security issue answers, etc. are qualified for a DV.
@user400654 I'm sure "how many thanks votes were cast" will be a stat that's talked about, yeah
FWIW: I'm not a big SO user. I'm sub 500 rep, so I absolutely do not speak for the whole of the site, or even the larger portion which are new users who come with a couple questions and disappear.
I also don't speak for the site veterans and how their voting preferences go.