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Shadow9

00:38

@It'sOver prot what?

@djsmiley2kTMW too many RO's, so none is around when we need them... Murphy's law #21

Rob

Pro Tractor:

Tractor pulling

Truck and tractor pulling, also known as power pulling, is a motorsport competition, popular in the United States, Canada, Europe (especially in the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark and Germany), Australia, Brazil and New Zealand, which requires modified tractors to pull a heavy sled along an 11-metre (35 ft) wide, 100-metre (330 ft) long track, with the winner being the tractor that pulls the sled the farthest. The sport is known as the world's most powerful motorsport, due to the multi-engined modified tractor pullers. All tractors in their respective classes pull a set weight in the sled. When...

Shadow9

Sounds like a reactor.

Hopefully not atomic.

Rob

Atomic Raptor -- Augmented

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Andras Deak

@Shadow9 nuclear :P "atomic bomb" was a terrible misnomer

Mithical

07:26

Why is <kbd> elements are way too intrusive closed?

JAD

Other question, wtf is up with those answers

Andras Deak

07:45

@Mithical fun. "We don't do that here". It might make new users left out of the joke. Very unwelcoming.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Mithical Because at the time it was asked, the kbd element was significantly worse (e.g. it had no vertical line padding). Today, however, most of the original problems with it have been fixed (it has vertical padding, for instance), and it's no longer as intrusive compared to what it used to look like.

Magisch

→ 18 messages moved to Chimney

JAD

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog so then it comes down to whether status-completed questions should be closed or not

Mithical

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Yeah. That's why it's tagged status-completed.

Magisch

@Mithical hm?

I assume you pinged the wrong person

Mithical

07:54

@Magisch sorry, page jump

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

I don't remember what my thought was at the time I voted. Either I failed to notice the tag, or noticed it but saw that it was added in 2009 when the 2011 crawl was still intrusive.

It was probably this new edit that indirectly resulted in the post getting kicked into close review.

Also, a quick note: the post has been through reopen review twice since the recent closure, and both times emerged with a Leave Closed consensus.

BlueSoul

08:57

@Stevoisiak I am not really sure I like being told that I am difficult to deal with and that that somehow related to the fact "I happen to be a developer"

It seems too close to "It is difficult to tell developers that the fingerprinting ads are just doing fraud detection"

Magisch

@BlueSoul i saw that as, we're difficult to deal with because we support and identify with the ideal of stack exchange, not the business goals of the company

so you have someone who is clearly identifying with what you're doing but not with your priorities

Mithical

We agree with their stated goal, not their actual goal.

Magisch

not their goal, the ideal behind which the site was (seen to be) founded

the motivation that drives most power users is similar to users of wikipedia: the proliferation and availability of free high quality knowledge to everyone

the company is a VC funded tech startup with 2 overriding goals: 1) growth and 2) revenue

nothing else

Journeyman Geek

09:17

So community to many is numbers and future customers

Community to us is... Well 😁

JAD

@Magisch or, in other words: 1) long-term revenue, 2) short-term revenue. Probably in opposite order in terms of priority

Magisch

@JAD if you look at today's vc world, there are only two extremes

growth > revenue, because these VCs want the next amazon for developers and not anything less ambitious

JAD

run at a loss now to grow fast

or cash now while you can

you mean that?

Magisch

making money isn't enough, you need to make billions and billions and control an entire market. The valuations were based on that and the VC firms need that to shore up their returns

the more you look into it the more the entire market looks like a huge confidence trick scheme. You grow and grow at a loss with some nebulous idea of future profitability until someone buys you out or you IPO at greatly inflated prices.

JAD

@Magisch I also think it's a side-effect of the global nature of the internet. "The winner takes all" is a phrase that's uttered quite a lot in my workplace, and they're not wrong

@Magisch sounds like the dotcom bubble all over again

Magisch

09:21

i mean just look at what wework did

a rental company posing as a tech company, super unprofitable, highly leveraged with tons of risks, bam 25x higher valuation then would be reasonable

or the ice tea company that put blockchain in its name and tripled its value

the entire startup culture is poisoned. Some good things come out of it but it looks like most of it is just cruft upon cruft

JAD

09:37

Not sure if that's necessarily limited to startups

Magisch

the bottom line is that our (the communities) and the company's aims are at best orthogonal

which is kinda sad but not unexpected.

Andras Deak

10:33

@Magisch I never understood this oppression with growth, but I have nothing to do with businesses

Magisch

@AndrasDeak I posit a simple question

why would you want a steady 100.000 profit when you could have 100.000.000 or even more?

if you don't factor in that you can't simply create value out of thin air then it's easy to answer

Andras Deak

@Magisch yes, but I tend to factor in that I can't simply create value out of thin air...

short of a Ponzi scheme, which is exactly what you are saying

Magisch

I mean the entire concepts of overvalued buyouts or IPOs centers around not being the last one to hold what you have made

the initial investors in wework didn't really think they were gonna make a profitable company. They thought they were gonna make something that sells to the public market for an absolute crapton

BlueSoul

@Magisch you can't?

^ try this one, could work.....

djsmiley2k TMW

hmmm

i have a programming issue I could post on so...

but what's the likelyhood someone will tell me I'm doing it wrong?

I'm not a programmer.

JAD

10:40

@BlueSoul never heard of toka kokan?

@djsmiley2kTMW depends, are you using jQuery?

djsmiley2k TMW

@JAD lol no.

BlueSoul

wrong link, sorry. VM and too-many-regions detection nonsense

Must remember to not post from Azure VM.

there, cleaned up version:

leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/euw/Toka+Kokan

@JAD also... check this.

Fullmetal Alchemist: Ed and Al's Human Transmutation Attempt (Sub)

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the circle is the one used by Ed and Al in Fullmetal Alchemist in their attempt to resurrect their mother. The attempt goes very wrong.

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2kTMW if you actually are, the right way might be useful

BlueSoul

At the time Edward believed that the cost of an human being was just the cost of its components.

> “Water: 35 liters, Carbon: 20 kg, Ammonia: 4 liters, Lime:1.5 kg, Phosphrus: 800 g, salt: 250g, saltpeter:100g, Sulfer: 80g, Fluorine: 7.5 g, iron: 5.6 g, Silicon: 3g, and 15 other elements in small quantities.... thats the total chemical makeup of the average adult body. Modern science knows all of this, but there has never been a single example of succesful human trasmutation. It's like there's some missing ingredient..... Scientists have been trying to find it for hundreds of years, pouring tons of money into research, and to this day they don't have a theory.

JAD

@BlueSoul I... am aware. I seen both series multiple times

BlueSoul

10:56

..... Now I am quite mad at me... That would have been a perfect theme for a knitting too.

That said, they choose to put Mitty on the blog....

I am happy enough with that.

Rob

11:11

A whole is greater than the sum of its parts - sententiaeantiquae.com/2018/07/06/…

Andras Deak

11:21

@djsmiley2kTMW what language?

@BlueSoul well, they became pretty bad-ass. Silver linings and all that ;)

BlueSoul

11:38

@AndrasDeak to be fair, on 50% of the test subjects, the results were being stuck in a door, with severe malnutrition involved..... :P

Andras Deak

In today's episode of "not welcoming to askers": duplicate suggestion they disagree with

Mithical

@rene kaboom

BlueSoul