Send some love to @Taryn: twitter.com/tarynpivots/status/1224826044810588166 and then twitter.com/tarynpivots/status/1225015395502833664 :/

I'm not 100% sure what is meant here but it ends with Thanks again! so I guess the respect is well earned

@rene true.

truty

The 2020 developer survey is now open ... to everyone who doesn't use adblock.

slow clap

Oh

And indeed, page 3 is broken if you use uBlock

and found that it takes about 20 complete the survey ... 20 .... like 6 to 8 ...

Just to clarify: page 3 is nothing but a frigging dropdown listing all of the world's countries. That breaks if you use adblock.

Ah, sweet. Stack Overflow Incorporated wants to know in which city I live. I wonder how that's relevant to any of their metrics...

So which 3rd party malware distribution network (aka the spyvertizers I use blockers on) did they borrow a country picker dropdown from?

> We’ve been testing with some beta users, and found that it takes about 20 complete the survey.

not enough testing lol

city location is probably to correlate location with salary, so that if you live in NYC or the bay area they can compare your pay to a local average instead of a national one.

I suppose nobody proofreads anything these days

Last year at least they didn't have enough data for anywhere else to do breakdowns. /sigh

It's hosted by Qualtrics. I wonder how hard it was to find a survey hosting that was blacklisted by uBlock, and what happened between SEI and Surveymonkey.

hmmm the country picker works for me with uBlockO and privacy badger up

idk no problems with ublock for me

don't have the badger

what does badger do that ublock already doesn't?

I don't have any browsers with adblock installed at work; still have it on one at home because of all the custom rules I've made I'd need to repeat

you can of course export the rules and import them on other devices

firefox probably can sync those if you have a firefox account

privacy badger uses hueristics to identify/block 3rd party tracking without needing a list of bad sites like adblock/ublock

ah so it's a bit more "up to date" got it

it generally catches at least some stuff the other blocker doesn't; downside is 2 blockers make troubleshooting a bit harder

yes and no

it's entirely driven by data on your machine, so it won't know about any bad sites until it catches them trying to track cross site.

hm but how does cross-site tracking work these days with all the access restrictions?

so the first load will be able to set a tracking cookie/etc, visting a 2nd page with that 3rd party content will detect the attempt to track cross site and raise the barriers

SO Dev Survey answer, looks perfectly legit :)

@iBugisdisappointedinSE as a symbolic gesture, sure, but I have almost no hopes of that happening (still a chance exists)

Pointy Haired SO Management: Less than 0.1% of surveys said anything about Monica, no one who really matters cared about our sacking her

they don't even know who matters

but I'll probably find somewhere to vent that firing Monica burned the bridges, and firing shog nuked the site where they were to make rebuilding impossible

which is why they're pointy haired

I personally have completely given up the hope that SE will come back in line with us.

I think the bridge has been smoldering for years but everyone was acting like the "it's fine" dog for years because there was no other viable SO or just in general Q&A alternative

until this year

Somehow. I wasn't that concentrated on SE and I only got to know all the things after September

SO management thinks we need them. No, we're old enough to live in our own house by now :p

10 years ago, sure, but now a lot of us know how a Q&A site works and can build one.

imagine a site turning on professional developers - it's like the one group of people you don't want to piss off

I'm sorta pessimistic about company-led online communities in 2020. G+ was shut down in April, SE is in flames, Reddit is declining, Twitter (sometimes surprised to see it not being criticized)...

see ya in a couple years when your product is made by others and published for free :p

TBH, the best experience I've got recently from an online community is... GitHub, which isn't led by the company.

@user1306322 I'm sure a replacement is coming up in a year or two, but I'm not optimistic about the future of that product

probably helps there that MS is painfully aware that if they try doing anything heavy handed they'll have a massive user revolt

G+ was a facebook-type social network attempt; reddit is a content aggregator with comment threads, twitter is not really comparable to reddit

SE wasn't supposed to even compete in these markets

@iBugisdisappointedinSE well, the main product of SE is kinda the service of customizing their base Q&A engine to the needs of clients

just a basic free Q&A installation with some developer documentation would probably steal half their clients already

SO themselves could even provide paid service of customizing that instead of their in-house software

normal users don't want any money or competition among these sites, they just want high quality answers to their questions

so it's a bit weird when people talk about competition or profitability

I guess SO has been around for so long that people started associating the success of a Q&A site with its profitability somehow

BTW... I find it kinda suspicious that a supposedly anonymized survey redirects to a unique page on Stack Overflow so that anyone with access to database tools can correlate it with your account anyways based on the timing alone.

mm-hmm

@DanisFiddlingbyFirelight Like the initial mass migration to GitLab when they first announced their purchase

@JohnDvorak wanna post on meta asking about that? :p

I'll leave the favor to you

hehe

@user1306322 not quite "markets", but the point is they're communities and UGC-centric

SO would never have been known like now had it not been the UGC

I kinda disagree... I don't think it's a conspiracy at this point that social media sites with the outreach of Reddit, Twitter or Facebook/Google plus directly accept payments or are manipulated to display certain content to certain target demographics to sway their opinion on things, so by the involvement of politics and money into that equation, I'd call all of these "markets"

SE however doesn't play these games (at least not yet)

One good thing that I'm not actually having any hope for is that when enterprise customers generate enough revenue SO will remove some ads - animated in particular

@user1306322 that makes sense

I mean if you see ads, it's on you

I know some people who don't have an adblock, and I gotta say we're okay friends, but we're not good friends :D

I know, but subverting the no-anim-ads policy in the first place doesn't appear that friendly to ads

which is what finally drove me into uBO

welcome to the internet the way it was supposed to be

when we get Enhanced Reality glasses with adblock on them, I'll download it day one

the internet isn't supposed to be ads-free - companies need to live, which needs $$$

companies have enough money, trust me

high-quality ads is what it's supposed to be

nope

individuals don't, which is why you can support them directly via services such as Patreon or Paypal

advertisements are always unsolicited

(I'm not privacy-sensitive because I'm Chinese)

you can browse catalogues to find things you might like

YouTube ads, speaking for myself, was once very comfortable

this isn't about privacy, ads are just annoying, you never want them when you're trying to do other things

... until they started inserting in the middle

the TV era - you see a stream of ads right before something important, like the round result of The Voice or a big turn of a series

that's how stations forced users to watch those ads, and worse in China - many were (and still are) fake

many years ago I stopped watching TV because of the ads and lack of actual interesting content between those annoying ads

everything good you want to watch you can find online without ads

like some high-alcohol high-glucose drink that cures Alzheimer...

but TV is TV. The point is you watch together with your family

you can watch anything together with your family on a TV thanks to wifi streaming from phones and tablets :p

eggnog?

that's long been history however

my family no longer watches TV together because there's no common interest

and how would you say your time is being spent now, better or worse?

I think this is what everyone realizes once they stop watching TV together :p

I used to when I was very young (<5) I get interested in anything, not particularly series, and that's when I could watch TV

@user1306322 my grands don't

kids these days probably don't even understand how you can sit in front of a TV as long as we used to in our childhood, when there is so much better stuff online

Tom & Jerry :)

yea those tapes you had to rewind

tapes? I didn't know. All i saw was VCDs

oh wow

I'm from 1999

that's wack

I can still remember the exact sequence of clicks and dings the Sony VHS player made when you insert a tape into it

VHS was long before I was born :)

amazon.com/SLV-478-Player-Recorder-quick-Mechanism/dp/…

this exact one in fact

people all remember good old things :)

like I still have a piece of towel my mom bought for me a month before I was born

it wasn't good tho

and the scar the cat scratched on my hand when I tried to lift it on its tail when I was 4

somehow digitized anime from 70's looks better on a monitor than those cartoons looked played from a tape

perhaps because tapes are too old to look good today?

it's probably because by the time the VHS tape market was so overpirated that the tapes we got were copies of copies of copies of copies

but content first - I still watch Mr. Bean series back and forth even if they're only 360p

> It will NOT link any of your survey answers to your account in any way.

 stackoverflow.com/dev-survey/…

for some reason the survey doesn't let you go past the country page if you live in Antigua and Barbuda, at least it didn't for me twice until I changed it to another option

so I haven't tested this much but it looks like you can't claim your badge if you leave the page with the button

just visiting the claim url leads to a 404

Surveys are designed to filter out non-serious contributions. You have qualified.

@JourneymanGeek Spam account: meta.stackexchange.com/users/698595/jackloomy

@Shadow9 I'm not talking about bran when I mention time travel.

Time travel means you affect something in your/a past.

can't say more because spoilers :S

Yeah, the Survey is a little whacky:

It doesn't even dismiss the reminder.

As usual, anyone attempting the survey on day 1 is part of the public alpha-test

@DanisFiddlingbyFirelight I blame Caroline

🤣

The one person I know who's actually in that situation (masters in music), is currently in (just finished????) a boot-camp type program that's apparently setup as a pipeline to a few larger local employers who largely spec the curriculum to what they need in junior staff.

@Rob It reminds you to remind people around you.

In a 5-mile radius

Not even that far.

@GeorgeStocker (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

The table flips you: ┬──┬ ︵(╯。□。）╯

lol

it's super effective!

@djsmiley2kTMW don't recall anything like that in the TV show... Maybe in the books, which I didn't read?

does that survvey spring up in the notification banner? I have that blocked.

yup

wish they'd stop announcing Teams and blog shit in that announcement banner

also in the... bullitin board on the right

ah, okay

(since it's a blog post)

womp

@JNat Cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/17671494/sm-a705f