Trashcan - 2019-10-16

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Ismael Miguel

11:35

first, what the h**l was stackexchange thinking in going forward with this?

rene

11:49

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Ismael Miguel

@AnsgarWiechers regardless, why make it use such strong language in the code, and use such an anbiguous block without a page in the help section to explain what was meant?

ArtOfCode

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Tim

14:58

@JourneymanGeek this is why I did those edits:

Journeyman Geek

@Tim uhm, All at once? naw

I doubt it

Tim

@Mari-LouA yeah I guess I am. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/390301#comment733925_390306 summaries my feelings here. Pointing out the fact that I’m borderline spamming, but nobody can roll back my edits because adding noise is now a totally valid thing to do! At least this time I’m only vandalising my own posts (and it’s permissible vandalism because SO corporate don’t understand the consequences of their policies). — Tim 18 hours ago

user1306322

Glo has been going around undoing all those edits tho

Tim

Yeah, I did them all at once because I could

Journeyman Geek

sigh

Good for you.

Tim

15:00

The fact that SE are allowing this to happen is evidence of how little they’ve thought out these absurd policies

The fact that people can now spam the homepage and it’s allowed is not going to end well

Journeyman Geek

@Tim and by doing that you made things difficult for folks who has nothing to do with those policies

Tim

@user1306322 yeah I’ve flagged for moderator attention. I’m not getting into an edit war with them

Shadow

@Tim define "allowed"? You mean as in "not suspended as result"?

Tim

@JourneymanGeek and to those I am sorry

Journeyman Geek

@Tim I'm not entirely sure

Tim

15:01

@Shadow literally, yeah. The fact that it’s allowed is just absurd and foolish

Journeyman Geek

you seem pretty proud of how clever you think you are.

user58

People abusing something "technically allowed" to make a point isn't very constructive.

Tim

@JourneymanGeek I don’t think it’s an especially clever thing to do?

Journeyman Geek

And basically told folks "Hey, people who don't like this are unreasonable and will totally vandalise the front page to make a point"

Tim

@user58 correct, but SE don’t respond to constructive criticism. They respond to Twitter outrage

Journeyman Geek

15:02

@Tim It wasn't.

@Tim go spam twitter them

And there's ways to do things with constructive crititism

Tim

@JourneymanGeek or I can spam in their back garden

Journeyman Geek

Right.

Tim

@JourneymanGeek of course there are. And the moment SE start responding to that, I’ll respond back in kind

djsmiley2k

they don't care about their back garden

Tim

Look, I don’t think it’s an especially pleasant thing I did. That’s my point

djsmiley2k

15:03

They've sold it to donal trump and he's building a highrise block on it.

Shadow

@user58 indeed

Journeyman Geek

@djsmiley2k Knock it off.

You know better.

user1306322

my best analogy at the moment: it's like as if Home Owner Association made a mistake in their rule to allow anyone to use a water tap in the apartment building foyer and to show them how non-perfect their rules are someone decided to open the tap and flood the entire first floor, while technically obeying the rules.

Tim

@djsmiley2k well, perhaps their front gardens then, when the full front page of Ask Ubuntu is my edits

Journeyman Geek

@Tim there's a whole load of folks trying to sort this out in the background.

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Tim

15:05

The rules now literally allow me to be super obnoxious and spammy

Journeyman Geek

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user58

16:53

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Mgetz

18:54

How did we end up in a situation where the culture punishes admitting mistakes more than potentially actually killing someone.

Mark Amery

Uh, sorry, what, @Mgetz? Where'd that come from?

user1306322

+1 to that, what's the context?

Mgetz

@MarkAmery looking at the current situation from a loooong ways back

user1306322

if you're alluding to previous mod removals then I'm not well informed on that

Mgetz

I'm not, I'm speaking more philosophically and meta

jcolebrand

18:56

The number of mods who are upset is higher than the ones who have actively done something. The main thing has been the way that SE staff treats mods. It's a form of TAs having to do all the work with no input from the professors or department. Then the department chair getting mad that the TAs did the wrong thing months later.

Mgetz

@jcolebrand that... is exactly what actually happens in academia

jcolebrand

@Mgetz nobody is being punished for making mistakes more than potentially actually killing someone.

That is definitively not happening

Mgetz

@jcolebrand you're being too literal

it's philosophical question

jcolebrand

You're using words. I can only read them a certain way. You started off on that comment with sarcasm, hyperbole, and/or exaggeration, but I can only respond to the words you've given.

Mgetz

@jcolebrand it is most definitely happening, I've talked to someone recently it's happened to.