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12:00 AM

I have cancelled the election as the extra week didn't bring in another candidate. We'll need to decide on the next step. — Jon Ericson ♦ 3 hours ago

I see a nomination posted 2 days ago, so within the extra week.

I forgot what site it was, but 1-for-2 happened before, and is recorded in the Meta summary as "2 1 1 <- noncompetitive"

Tangentially: Ethereum's reaction to Would you be interested in any questions from Augur—Stack Exchange? was underwhelming.

Is Arqade election results announcement the only such post with negative score? Don't remember seeing others.

Found it - Freelancing election had 1 candidate vs 2 positions, and it went through with the candidate getting the diamond.

Apparently, the policy changed between then and now.

2 hours later…

2:27 AM

ohayou gozaimasu?

GOOD MORNING

3:03 AM

Java lamda double colon: TV on.

... it almost rhymes.

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Q: Java lamda double colon How can it works in this code?

Someone I knew asked how this worked and I couldn't answer. Can you explain? Console TV on

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

3:59 AM

@JNat Cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/16565434/hi-q-keto

2 hours later…

6:11 AM

→ 22 messages moved to Chimney

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Q: How to deal with apathetic co-worker?

I work in gastronomy in a rather small restaurant. The co-worker I spend most of my work-day around has become more and more apathetic over the past few months. It was a very gradual change, so I am uncertain if it has to do with a specific event. I generally enjoy my job and try to be in a good...

colleagues europe

This is amazing.

By... "Robert S". I can't stop laughing.

Posts on meta How to deal with apathetic Close Voters and leave the rest untouched. Answers can be the same ....

@rene But did you notice, it's all a big Spongebob meme. :D

Bus comes every two hours, he owns no car, works in the only real restaurant in town, bad pay, a boss who makes things worse, an apathetic co-working... with the name "Robert S".

@RobertS. OK, so... I'm probably crazy but after reading your question I am seriously considering whether your coworker is called Squidward Tentacles and you work in the Krusty Krab — and the fact that your own name is essentially Bob is not helping at all. — walen Jun 5 at 8:15

I think I missed that whole squarepants stuff

6:19 AM

It's a brilliant troll.

You obviously need to know your classics on this network....

Apparently the mods didn't consider it, even though that SE site that is quite famous with HNQ bait.

Cause we assume the best of people

@MetaAndrewT. Well I don't think there's a problem with it. It's subtle enough.

then it's not a troll

6:25 AM

Why not?

I mean it's pretty obvious when you look at it.

There's another way to look at it

maybe its a real person with the same problem, and he likes spongebob....

Its a neat way to name a throwaway account

because the situation is really possible in real-life, albeit the pseudonym

it's... an irony.

Well, the person who showed that to me did hint that they wrote it. :P

I still find it hilarious though. It's brilliant.

you seem to have many troll friends on SE...

Imho, there's nothing wrong with subtle trolling like that, especially since it's a good question.

@MetaAndrewT. Really? This is the first one I met here.

6:29 AM

And no one would have assumed, say, if Mr Robert S was a dev

Well yeah, that kills the meme.

yeah, too many "someone told me" messages

meh

meh indeed

1 hour later…

7:41 AM

lel they did write it :D

See, I got good troll-dar.

8:00 AM

so, it's not a real question?

@MetaAndrewT. No, it's a real question.

Whether the underlying problem is real though... ;)

Would be like asking how to fix a flat tire but not having a flat tire ;)

Also... the thing is two months old. If it was bad, TWP mods would've gotten to it by now ;)

ah, yeah, NARQ close reason is no longer anymore :D

It's a good question, even if it's not technically a real one

2 hours later…

9:54 AM

Is there a known issue with on-site url search?

10:19 AM

@rene I won't say there's an issue, if it's not so reliable in the first place :/

I could easily find url:imgur, url:jpg, url:png, url:gif, but when using a specific filename, it failed

@rene oh... it's too fuzzy... url:"DlgkW" (with double quotes) works...

10:43 AM

@MetaAndrewT. great find! I've edited the answer.

literally "exact URL" :D

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12:29 PM

it's not a competition ... raises 100 post flags and 100 comment flags ...

@rene Someone must've gotten around to handling them before I did, then...

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

plz-delete batch of three: velocity, CosmosDb, and Prime OS. @Bart @rene @Glorfindel

(needz 1 moar in all)

All gone :)

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

yay!

@Tinkeringbell give me 6 to 8 something ...

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

12:35 PM

$?

@Tinkeringbell you should become a mod on SO

then I can raise 700 serial voting flags in a week without feeling bad

@Magisch Nah.

but there isn't much serial voting on IPS or MSE

That's okay. It's nice to have well-behaved users to moderate :P

I like how some users say they predict the flag outcome as that paints for me the picture of a mod looking at the flag queue and throwing a dice for the next flag.

12:41 PM

@rene Throwing a dice? That's waaay too much work to handle a single flag.

You're random enough of your own?

I dunno... but finding out would be too much work.

tinkeringbell the prng

the randomness is actually derived from the next crocheting project and its color balance variations to previous

@Magisch The current one is very pink!

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Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@Tink while you're at it, this user got a lot of rubbish answers by now. Not direct trolling but... very poor quality. What do you think? Wait until answer ban kicks in?

(most deleted ^)

12:46 PM

@ShadowTheDragonWizard Yeah, just wait :)

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

waiting

!!/wait 6-8 hours

@ShadowTheDragonWizard No such command 'wait'.

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@Tinkeringbell what... is this? ;)

@ShadowTheDragonWizard It's going to be a granny, with an apron I can store craft things in.

user image

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

ohhh nice!

12:53 PM

@rene monte carlo method?

@Mgetz yep

Journeyman Geek

Erf. Had a terrible day at work

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

:(

sending @Journeyman to bed for a well deserved rest

Regarding site-recommendation questions: They sometimes receive answers, usually by New Contributors, recommending external sites not belonging to the SE network. What type of flag is appropriate for those - NAA?

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@AnneDaunted don't think it should be flagged.

Just downvote if you want and that's it. :)

If link only, then maybe VLQ

12:58 PM

@ShadowTheDragonWizard So when you ask "Were to ask how to parse HTML with regex?" and I answer "I have a kewl new forum Anne Daunted's World of Parsing HTML With Regex blah blah blah", that shouldn't be flagged?

It could be a valid answer.

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@AnneDaunted might be spam, but if not spam it's valid answer, yes

e.g. if the site is behind pay wall, it's likely just spam.

In a site recommendation I prefer to offer an SE site but if there is none and you know a valid alternative outside of the network I see no problem in suggesting that.

Ok, thanks. I didn't flag them yet. But also believe they were frequently removed.

@AnneDaunted I didn't knew you started your own forum. I'll be linking to it when I see fit ...

1:03 PM

@rene Spread the word!

I'm not sure what this is, but it really doesn't seem to even try to answer the OP's question.

@AnneDaunted no, but the mod is aware: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7875665#7875665

I also have the feeling I've seen that location before but it has been long enough ago for me not finding anything

Maybe the group from here that contacted them could help.

I'm sure they are waiting to offer all assistance needed

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

hmm?

oh, the answer content... looks like a very confused person. Can't know.

Huh??? 5 more years? When did that happen....

1:20 PM

@ShadowTheDragonWizard They might be in the completely wrong place.

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

yup

1:31 PM

being in the wrong place is my universal feeling ....

Rene wants to say ... No, I don't ...

> "Rene"

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

"eneR"

en-er sounds like a new language

Or, ER for English :P

When I see suggestions to add welcoming messages, I'm missing proof that it would really be positively received by new users.

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@AnneDaunted it probably will, I think.

But will make the site appear less professional and more social, so misleading.

@ShadowTheDragonWizard Really? Usually, you're supposed to be asking a question here, because you have a problem and you are looking for a solution. I'm not sure I would be glad when I first had to wade through some generic welcoming message, before finding the solution to my problem. ("Help! My toddler throws tomatoes at me! How to make him stop???" "Hi and welcome to the Stack Exchange Network! I hope you enjoy your stay here and ....").

1:41 PM

@AnneDaunted Different kind of welcoming? I thought those messages were supposed to be of the 'if you're thinking about asking about your kid throwing rocks at you, take a look at the 5 questions we already have on the subject, to avoid your question being closed as a dupe and downvoted' kind.

@Tinkeringbell But this could be a valid comment, not part of an answer.

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@AnneDaunted Well, many people love to feel welcome, hence the whole Welcome Wagon started. For them, it's not noise.

Hmm, did I miss a step?

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@Tinkeringbell yip

Tell me which one?

Please?

1:44 PM

@Tinkeringbell I was inspired to my question by the newest question on MSE. But its score is too low, so you have to check the newest questions tab.

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

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Q: Let me add a welcome message to new posters, which is removed after a period of time

I love seeing new users ask great questions, and I try to be as friendly as possible to these newbies as I still feel like one of them! I'm aware that friendly welcome messages are "off topic" for strict Q&A, so I worry about adding them to my answers. So, my suggestion would be for the ability ...

discussion feature-request new-users

Oh... yeah, that sounds like the stuff that goes into a comment.

Some sites are fond of leaving those, others don't. Depends a bit on community culture too.

@Tinkeringbell Your suggestion is a perfectly fine comment and I have seen them many times, long before every welcoming wagon. I'm rather thinking of welcoming messages, that are nothing but welcoming, containing no otherwise useful info.

@AnneDaunted Yeah, just leaving a comment to say hi and welcome isn't really useful. It becomes a bit better if you explain meta, chat, or the tour (if someone doesn't have the badge yet).

@Tinkeringbell It's also a nice way to start your explanation of why you are voting to close their question.

1:48 PM

That too.

I agree that that stuff should never be on the top of an answer though... not even for 10 minutes ;)

There's always action on MSO.

Are people still being mad?

@Tinkeringbell Yes, but for a different reason.

@AnneDaunted I don't think I need to know more ;)

So I'll keep my lips sealed.

2:01 PM

MSO => Mad Stack Overflow ...

@AnneDaunted If you want to discuss here, you can :)

The avid SO users know better than me what's going on

Journeyman Geek

I'm curious. I probably should keep an eye on there but blah, day job and parents and personal time

@JourneymanGeek I'm missing sanity and personal self-care in that list :P

Journeyman Geek

I'm feeling a little short on both

2:04 PM

If it blows up enough, I'll hear about it in chat.. is this about NaA flags?

@JourneymanGeek The way I understood it: Link-only answers are considered NAA. Yesterday, two such flags were declined by the same moderator. This lead to (at least) three different MSO posts.

Journeyman Geek

ah

sounds like meta working as designed.. Almost

@Tinkeringbell well I suppose maxing out the ram on my old PC counts

@JourneymanGeek If that's your idea of sanity :P

Update: Only one was a link-only answer. The other answer was not in English.

Journeyman Geek

naw

self care

2:08 PM

@JourneymanGeek Oh, yeah...

Journeyman Geek

Well, theoratical 3 day break coming up (work has a half day training course on friday >< )

so that should let me recharge a little.

Didn't you say that from the previous break as well?

Journeyman Geek

Isn't that the point of a break? ;p

I can't say my current job is particularly fullfilling or anything

@JourneymanGeek Sort of? :P Mediocre jobs are the worst though...

Journeyman Geek

ya

"But why geek? You should get a better job!"

Which is easy to say but the local market is pretty terrible apparently

Going to look soon though, almost at the sweetspot

2:18 PM

@JourneymanGeek That's one thing I hope I'll never be saying (at least not phrased like that)... If I do, remember me of the 5 years I was held hostage working retail ;)

Journeyman Geek

My mom's been saying that a while

I'd rather have her focus on other stuff ;p

Understandable :)

I guess we can untag some questions: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/220602/…

did the android-app had a careers option?

Journeyman Geek

nope

so that is not an app question then?

Journeyman Geek

2:23 PM

honestly, I'm a little confused by that

I've removed the tag and cast a close vote

It did not have Careers site in it, but it surely had job ads.

The question is about those ads.

Is status-planned still appropriate?

status-about-app would describe it better than "planned".

That said, status-planned is also appropriate because the only meaning it has is "an employee once tagged this as status-planned".

One should not infer anything else from the presence of this tag.

@404 former employee

Journeyman Geek

2:28 PM

Honestly - I'd feel very safe about removing the status planned tag for now

OK, "once upon a time, this question was tagged status-planned by someone who worked at SE at the time".

Journeyman Geek

until such a point an employee hits me on the nose with a rolled up newspaper and goes "Bad dog, we were actually secretly working on the android app"

@JourneymanGeek Then please tell us who the animal abuser is so we can complain on meta about them!

2:45 PM

@ShadowTheDragonWizard This could be solved by having a separate post view for OP, similar to how post notices work. The OP's view of the answer would be automatically sprinkled with smiling faces 😊 waving hands 👋 and possibly rainbows 🌈.

Shadow The Dragon Wizard

@404 also unicorns

Journeyman Geek

So basically the AFD theme?

For Smokey's fans to answer:

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Q: Automatic flagging of "keto" users with Reputation == 1?

I have not ever seen a question containing the word "keto" that was about Ubuntu. Is it possible to prevent Reputation 1 posters from posting a question containing "keto"?

feature-request

Journeyman Geek

actually the first thing I did was log into my router and go "apt search keto"

3:42 PM

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Where's that happening? Mine still says 15...

4:02 PM

@bjb568 reported here meta.stackexchange.com/questions/332701/…

Won't happen on DevDoodle

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@JNat Potential cross-site spammer/troll: stackexchange.com/users/16584494/am-i-beautiful-owo

2 hours later…

5:55 PM

> This reminds me of voting on "tag synonym".

is that even a thing? Oh yes, it just isn't easy found

6:09 PM

@rene: I really appreciate this answer. In addition to being able to answer a question on Reddit, I learned a lot of new SQL techniques.

you're welcome!

@JonEricson I might as well revisit that ... with a string_agg and maybe a pivot table.

2 hours later…

8:00 PM

This has been on my list for a while, but I unfortunately got sidetracked by other projects. The goal here is to make 2+ characters the new minimum name length standard and I'll see if I can bump this up on my todo list in the near future. — Adam Lear ♦ Aug 1 '15 at 22:01

Narrator: it turned out to be unbumpable

> It is told that once Bing was applying for a visa and was requested not to use initials. He explained that his name was really "R-only H-only Bing", and ended up receiving a visa made out to "Ronly Honly Bing" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._H._Bing

Perhaps if SE had employees who go by initials (AJ, JD or whatever), the request would not drift out of attention...

8:57 PM

May name is really, ";"

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

9:18 PM

@JonEricson Given that this coming Monday is a holiday, will the next Unicorn Meta Zoo still be published the day right after, or will its release be postponed by a day?

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Still scheduled for next Tuesday. I am considering changing to every-other week instead of every-third.

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