@Monica your comment is basically the same as Sonic’s, shouldn’t it just be the last part rather than all the things they already said so as not to be confusingly redundant? — Stormblessed15 secs ago
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Shouldn’t we avoid posting multiple really similar generic blatantly-off-topic comments?
There are a few jokes in "Do good math jokes exist?" that I think are inappropriate.
Specifically:
Nov 21 '09 at 9:01 item (1)
Oct 19 '09 at 16:03
Dec 10 '09 at 23:14
Dec 15 '09 at 1:31
All of these are jokes about people's bodies (mostly women's bodies) with sexual implications. In short, t...
The score has been bouncing around a bit. It was at -2 at one point, then later it was at 2, and now it's back down to 0. There seems to be significant support both for deleting the jokes and for keeping them.
Anyway, posting the question made me realize something.
I think the jokes in question are harmful, but I don't quite understand how or why they're harmful.
It seems pretty obvious to me that, on a site for serious discussion about mathematics, it's not appropriate to make jokes about strippers, mini-skirts, and rear ends.
But I wasn't able to come up with a good explanation of why that's inappropriate, or to point to any kind of reliable source saying so.
> All of these are jokes about people's bodies (mostly women's bodies) with sexual implications. In short, this is website is a professional environment, and these jokes are inappropriate for a professional environment
Question of a day . I asked a question on meta(SO) under [tag:discussion] and got few up-votes but my profile show 0 [tag:discussion] x 4 . What I am missing :(
@TannerSwett Well, technically a historical lock is supposed to solve the difference between whether a post should be kept or deleted...but that has more to do with whether the question is on-topic for the site or not.
One of the comments says that "unless someone wants to point at a specific reason why a group of people is to be offended by [three of the four jokes in question], I'd consider this fine."
I guess at least a couple of people on MO seem to think that some of these jokes are completely harmless. I'd like to make the point that no, they're not completely harmless.
Now, if you take that one literally, it's merely pointing out that certain anatomical regions may be considered "interesting," and others may be considered "essential."
So what am I supposed to say in response if someone says, "I don't see anything offensive or harmful about that"?
I mean they are terrible - and not in the "let me share that with someone so I don't have to suffer alone", but practically we can't really do much about it.
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Hi. I’ve edited a question that was close voted as “too broad”, this one: https://stackoverflow.com/q/57323981/126995 Do you think it’s OK now? If no, how can I improve it? If yes could you please nominate it for reopening? If this is irrelevant because it’s the wrong chat, what’s the correct one? Thanks in advance!
@Soonts why is that question tagged c# and c++? It doesn't have code. It is still rather broad. Maybe then winapi tag is better there but I doubt if Hans Passant comes by that he will answer that question.
@rene Probably because OP knows both and wants a solution in whatever language? I can add WinAPI tag but I’m not 100% sure they fit, the tag wiki says “the core set of application programming interfaces”, I think dxgi, desktop duplication, and especially magnification API are rather exotic interfaces, not core ones.
@Soonts I'm afraid that makes it too broad. As I have mentioned it before, brainstorming question is not really good for a strict format of Q&A. If only the OP has decided to use a specific language and to do a specific task, then it might be okay. Even the "capture then show" could be break into 2 questions, one specific for "capture", and another for "show". It's better to post multiple specific questions instead of 1 broad question.
That said, while this chat room is not really wrong (this is a general chat room on Meta Stack Exchange, not Stack Overflow), you might get better response on Chat.SO, particularly on SOCVR or specific language rooms like C# (be careful with Lounge<C++> though)
@MetaAndrewT. “Even the "capture then show" could be break into 2 questions, one specific for "capture", and another for "show” but it can’t. User only has a single monitor. “capture then show” solution will turn the screen into garbage in a matter of milliseconds, because you’ll capture what’s shown.
@Soonts sorry, I should preface with "I don't have much expertise with C-family language", and that's only my general opinion. That's why I suggest to discuss with those who are more expert than me on their respective chat room :)
That thing is language agnostic. If you capture a display, apply filter, then show on the same display, next frame you’ll capture what you just shown, not the desktop content windows wants to show. On the second frame, you’ll apply the video filter twice to the original image, instead of getting a new video frame from the OS and applying the filter to that one.
As you see, breaking into 2 questions doesn’t work, it has to be a single one.
@Soonts alright, breaking into 2 questions won't work. But I'm not sure with the "language agnostic", why it's tagged with C# and C++? If I'm using Java, can I use the solution from that post?
@MetaAndrewT. My first solution requires C++. My second simple one can probably be used from C#, see there blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/dwayneneed/2008/09/08/… but I would recommend C++, too. The other answer can be used from any language with C interop. I don’t know Java, can it do C interop i.e. [DllImport]?
@Soonts there is something call JNI (Java Native Interface) IIRC but I'm not sure if it can be used for that use case
@MetaAndrewT. I should have issued better warnings upfront. SOCVR doesn't permit requests on posts you have a stake in. Having an answer on it, basically rules SOCVR out.
@rene Not sure either, I don’t program Java. That’s why I don’t know an answer to Andrew’s question. But that solution will definitely work from C#, C or D.
Sorry, while I did encourage you to try salvaging it if possible, I'm not sure I'm the right person to ask for opinion. I noticed you also got some input on SOCVR, but let's just say that not all questions are acceptable on SO or any SE sites...
@MetaAndrewT. Any ideas why exactly this particular question is not acceptable? Especially after the latest edits?
It’s a well defined problem now. It has 3 solutions in the answers. It’s not opinion based because no one on the chats was able to propose another possible answer.
The part "how do I get the desktop image produced by Windows, apply my effects, and present the result on the same display." still feels too broad for me, but you said otherwise, so I have to agree to disagree, but I can't give any more feedback. Please consult with other users on Chat.SO, ideally to those who know a lot about desktop programming in particular...
That's why, I'd think if the first part "get the desktop image produced by Windows" is asked as an individual question, it's less broad than the current.
But that's assuming if it's possible to break it down into smaller tasks.
> ideally to those who know a lot about desktop programming in particular
I assumed moderators are representative, clicked on the 26 profiles, found a single one who knows anything about Windows desktop development. Thanks for trying to help, I appreciate it.
But I’m afraid I have to conclude SO community is fundamentally broken in some ways.
Unless fixed, this will cause people like me who’re happy to help to leave the web site (I’m a moderator BTW, wrote 500+ answers over the course of 10 years). What’s the point of answering questions if the questions will be closevoted and auto-delet…
FYI, "moderator" is a specific term for "elected moderator". We're just "regular users" (or "power users" if you want). And elected moderators don't have anything to do with answering many questions (the minimum rep to nominate is 3000 rep which is the close vote privilege). Also, be careful with the accusation on the last sentence.
I’ve clicked “moderator attention” and kindly asked to reopen the question. We’ll see what will happen next.
But I think the most probable sequence of events, the question will be read by another web developer (just like the 5 who closed the question), didn’t understood what’s asked there (the question is very domain specific; I’m afraid even after my edits it does look like garbage for people unfamiliar with low-level Windows graphics), and it will stay closed.
If the question would be about web development, neither of this would happen.
Last option, if you really want, is to ask a question on MSO (not MSE) with specific-question tag to genuinely ask if the question is "too broad" and how, if possible, to salvage it (throw away any emotion out of the post). You can also post your answer at the same time to defend the question and see how the community responds.
is it so hard to believe that a situation in which everybody is acting in good faith can lead to this kind of friction due to ideological and interest differences?
The type of attitude which can instantly determine that someone is acting in bad faith but can not handle a split second of criticism is the type that leads to extremely toxic environments.
So why is that? Like minded people congregate in chat, and then their attention is drawn to something
If I gather all of the world's orange tabby cat enthusiasts into my apartment and then a cat hater comes in one way or another they won't get a fair word in :P
It's absurdly easy to form an interest group around almost anything on the 'web
The situation is more akin to you gathering them in your apartment, and then posting a list of all the cat hating places in the area, and telling them "you know what to do"
Aside from some vacation, I spent the past several weeks just trying to answer questions in the newest list. <1m, no "curation", no screening. I don't buy into the fact that there is some sort of pandemic problem that requires such a posse of users
The reason I'm not answering really anymore is because I can spend an hour reading questions and between duplicates, norepros and crap I find maybe one question I can answer
And if you are going to tell me that the exchange is at risk from a question 10 years old with 100 views then you clearly do not understand the internet
Well, then let's just open SO to any kind of programming questions, including popularity questions and full tutorials. I believe SO will become more popular and welcoming.
By a Raspberry Pi and some sort of new sensor equipment for $30, program it. That is a very large part of new technology use right now. You will always have questions to answer.
That would take like a week. But no, you would never, even though you would spend countless hours telling people their questions are crap.
just today I found some obscure problem with a sonicwall appliance from a question on SO about UDP packets, it's so contrived and specific I have no idea how someone else had that problem
There was a smaller exchange that was gutted because their users went to slack from chat and stopped participating due to the graphic nature of the chat interations.
That is far beside the point though. Chat in itself is a great feature.
This isn't about chat. It is about coordinated weaponized pedantry, incapable of receiving criticism, and wholly accustomed to a mob mentally of doling it out.
@TravisJ if I'm one of them, then you might be incorrect. I'm no one on SOCVR and Charcoal. I just have my personal POV of what SO is and I'll follow it unless proven otherwise.
when I view that in your lens of new user experience. Picture this: You post something, and within a minute you watch it go to -6 and suddenly you're ip banned :p
It seems to me that your position of coordinated voting is fungible based on who is the target
The vast majority of situations are not what you describe. That doesn't make it fungible, it just shows that, like all serious consequence, it would require review from a Moderator.
You know that this is bad, and not a problem that Stack Overflow main has, when staff members explicitly stop contributing to areas where the users participating in coordination reside.
@Soonts - With that question you ran into the issue of a systemic problem. Too broad's interpretation has had some scope creep over the years. At this point it is used to close anything requiring more than a sentence or two of text.
30,000 characters is the max limit for an answer. That allows for quite a bit of broad, and answers were intended to actually solve problems, not provide snippets.
Look. If you have an argument against the practice, post it somewhere it can be discussed. Throwing backhanded abuse at people here, whether you think it's true or not, ain't gonna fly.
There are 3 openings for Moderator on the Operations Research site. Operations Research is the application of mathematical (quantitative) techniques to decision making. In OR, a problem is first clearly defined and represented (modeled) as a set of mathematical equations. It is then subjected to rigorous computer analysis to yield a solution (or a better solution) which is tested and re-tested until an optimum solution is found.
@TravisJ Okay, if you have a new argument against it then. Otherwise, your choice is to accept that your opinion is at odds with the community consensus and move on, or to not accept that and participate somewhere else instead. What's not a choice is complaining about it and abusing people for it here.
@TravisJ Semantics. Perhaps I should have said "the one that says SOCVR is okay", then. Either way - the community accepts that SOCVR is there and is generally doing a reasonable job. If you disagree with that, you're welcome to bring that up. I don't really have any strong opinion either way - what I do object to is abusing the people who engage in the practice in here because you don't like it.
For example, explaining to someone why their question is too broad and how they can improve it, citing the guidelines expected of questions, vs. telling someone their question is crap.
The difference you cite is that on Main, no one would call it crap. On meta, so many users would call it crap that it would be the accepted upvoted answer.
In Soonts case, that essentially spilled over into Main.
Which is why I came here when I saw him in here... and for the flowers and sunset and all that.
For example, explaining to someone why their question is too broad and how they can improve it, citing the guidelines expected of questions, vs. telling someone their question is crap.
I wouldn't appreciate someone calling my question crap. But if someone were to tell me nicely why my question isn't on-topic and pointing me to guidelines, I'd take it significantly better.
@KevinB if someone were to ask about it on meta
I significantly re-edited one of the FAQs on MSO to take this into account:
Welcome to Stack Overflow! You are probably reading this because the community put your question "On-Hold," and referred you to this post. This post explains what happened to your question, and how you can fix it.
What does "On Hold" mean?
What is that negative number next to my question?
Wha...
It only took me a few hours of systematic efforts to get it reopened. Not sure if I’ll continue writing answers, but is yes at least I approximately know what to do next time. Thanks for your help.
I want to add dynamic video effects to the complete Windows desktop.
I want to be able to turn the screen grey, bevel the edges and add some scan lines to make it look like an old CRT screen, or make the screen glitch, the way they show hacked systems in movies that don't understand tech, etc.
...
There are a few jokes in "Do good math jokes exist?" that I think are inappropriate.
Specifically:
Nov 21 '09 at 9:01 item (1)
Oct 19 '09 at 16:03
Dec 10 '09 at 23:14
Dec 15 '09 at 1:31
All of these are jokes about people's bodies (mostly women's bodies) with sexual implications. In short, t...
On July 16, the proposal a ban on rock ID questions was proposed. After two weeks, this proposal has 15 upvotes and 0 downvotes. The answers are supportive of the ban. Clearly, there is a community consensus to ban rock identification questions.
As of today, 2019-07-30, rock identification qu...
Welcome to Stack Overflow! You are probably reading this because the community put your question "On-Hold," and referred you to this post. This post explains what happened to your question, and how you can fix it.
What does "On Hold" mean?
What is that negative number next to my question?
Wha...
I want to add dynamic video effects to the complete Windows desktop.
I want to be able to turn the screen grey, bevel the edges and add some scan lines to make it look like an old CRT screen, or make the screen glitch, the way they show hacked systems in movies that don't understand tech, etc.
...
