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Andras Deak

11:11

@Tinkeringbell knitpick

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch we're still working out stuff

Tinkeringbell

Yep. I've got no clue what I'm doing XD

Andras Deak

not knitting

Tinkeringbell

true

I'm also not crocheting, eating, drinking or working right now :P

Andras Deak

so it's settled

Tinkeringbell

11:20

only the 'I know what I'm not doing' part

Andras Deak

> when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the ~~truth~~ true form of procrastination.

Tinkeringbell

Perhaps. I think I can procrastinate even a bit further by having lunch now :)

Andras Deak

Not a bad idea.

Derpy

11:38

!!/alive

SmokeDetector

@Derpy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Derpy

!!/hats

you too fail me, Smokey?

John Dvorak

 (°OO°)
//(/\)\\

Andras Deak

awww

Tinkeringbell

What is it?

EKons

11:47

it's obviously an owl, duh!

Andras Deak

Tinkeringbell

@EKons Again, I can see a whole lot of things it's not, but ...

@AndrasDeak But this one doesn't have 8 legs? Or why are there two braces in there? It's a really confusing spider.

EKons

actually, it's an ASCII-art portrait of John himself... :-P

Andras Deak

@Tinkeringbell better? ^

Tinkeringbell

Oh, I don't mind that one :P

Though that's a confusing spider too

John Dvorak

11:51

Andras Deak

adorable trigger warning

EKons

aww, how cute

Tinkeringbell

Still on my todo list ;)

Andras Deak

amigurumi?

John Dvorak

It has ... teeth?

Magisch

11:52

@JohnDvorak ahh, the common jumping spider

Tinkeringbell

@AndrasDeak Yep :)

Derpy

ohhh, spiders...

let me check...

Andras Deak

inb4 eightlegged ponies

John Dvorak

@AndrasDeak `cdn.dribbble.com/users/648842/screenshots/1729432/…

Derpy

Tinkeringbell

11:54

Why does it never say where those things are discovered?

Now I don't know which places to avoid :P

John Dvorak

@Derpy hoax

Andras Deak

@JohnDvorak typical Loki

John Dvorak

my best bet is it's just a wolf spider eating a housefly

Derpy

@JohnDvorak the original plan (which an annoying owl just ruined) was to skip pointing out that small detail.

EKons

inb4 John bites

John Dvorak

12:01

@EKons ponies are a group project for owls: vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/mlp/images/0/02/…

EKons

aw, that "nocookie"

Shadow Wizard

@forest oh... Poor girl! Lol. So she ate the ravioli and was happy about it? ;)

@forest well... To be honest I am pretty sure that's the issue with all sites having responsive design, not only SE.

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell well the flag queue isn't any bigger...

That's a start

And apparently I made @ArtOfCode happy

Tinkeringbell

Nice :D

Journeyman Geek

I want to get the flag queue to 0 or as close to it over the weekend :p

Tinkeringbell

12:13

Good luck! XD I looked at them and I'm not sure enough to start handling yet ;)

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek so what you're saying is we should raise more flags to make it a challenge?

Andras Deak

brb, learning js to write a userscript that autoflags comments at random

Shadow Wizard

O_o

Tinkeringbell

Heh. Comments are easy flags to handle ;)

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch eh the trick is hard flags

And deciding night we can and should mark the post about MSE mods status complete

Andras Deak

12:25

brb learning machine learning to train a deep neural net that raises elaborate custom modflags at random

Journeyman Geek

:p

Shree

cv-pls discussion off-topic Visualization using python as a 2d graph from a dataframe - Harini‎ - 2018-11-23 12:23:31Z

Journeyman Geek

Kaboom

EKons

@AndrasDeak heh, you'd have to go a lot further than comment flags :P

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Q: Are the machines upon us?

I suspect that this MSE question (Screenshot) and an MO question by the same account (Screenshot) have been artificially generated. But I'm not sure. For a machine, those would be nice works of association, but that is not unheard of, as there are known paper generators such as SCIgen. The occas...

discussion

John Dvorak

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//(/\)\\

Tinkeringbell

12:28

@JourneymanGeek No comment? Sheesh, I've been overdoing stuff then :P

Magisch

del-pls Completly OT - meta.stackexchange.com/questions/318727/cloud-computing

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Thought I had already done that... done it again!

Mithrandir

@Derpy the hats command is a bit of a special case

It only works during Winter Bash

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell you closed it, but didn't delete

EKons

how? :P

Tinkeringbell

12:35

@Magisch Yeah, thought I pressed 'delete' too. I blame buggy internet ;)

Magisch

This is such a nice change of pace

stuff just poofs

EKons

I think I'm going to start using a userscript here... :P

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell eh. I usually wait for someone to comment + phone

@Magisch I haven't even settled in yet :p

Mithrandir

del-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/315192/… & meta.stackexchange.com/questions/311533/…

Journeyman Geek

Kaboom x2

Mithrandir

12:40

That was fast :D

EKons

> I'm calling from Stack Exchange Inc. It looks like you posted a blatantly off-topic question on Meta Stack Exchange, the Stack Exchange community that asks and answers questions about the Stack Exchange network. If you do that again, Shog will be on your door.

Tinkeringbell

@Mithrandir Yeah, but I'm now wondering if we really should delete site-recommendation stuff?

Journeyman Geek

We can't threaten people. We can't mail them bobcats any more either

EKons

ah, yeah, CoC :P

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek the industrial digging equipment or the adorable cat?

Journeyman Geek

12:42

@Magisch the restraining order is unclear

Magisch

Y'all get a moderator room yet?

Tinkeringbell

Nope. I can make my own, I think?

Magisch

Ahh thats right

Mithrandir

You can, yes

Magisch

you have the chat diamond too

Tinkeringbell

12:43

Done ;)

Now if my internet would be a bit more collaborative today...

Magisch

Now you can truly plot in the shadows

Mithrandir

"The Pet Store"

You've got two dogs and a parrot. Seems like a logical choice to me.

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch Meh, I don't think there'll be much plotting.

@Mithrandir I'm practical. It's called Mod Room.

Mithrandir

:(

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell implied :P behind it

Mithrandir

12:46

@Tinkeringbell Depends. How often do you take screenshots of the data analysis? Or other graphs?

Tinkeringbell

Never. ;)

EKons

@Mithrandir well, in all seriousness, if another non-pet mod is appointed, the name would lose its point (not to mention it will be calling the new mod a "pet" when they aren't one)

Tinkeringbell

@EKons Or we could make it a selection criteria... avatar has to match the room name :P

EKons

but it's not an avatar alone that makes a pet, it's the whole person :P

Tinkeringbell

true

EKons

12:49

for example, the Geek is usually the Geek, not dog #2

Magisch

it's all in good humor anyways

even tinkeringbell wasn't always a parrot, she used to be a field of tulips

Tinkeringbell

:D

You've got a good memory ;)

EKons

now she's an anti-green-parrotist parrot ;-)

Magisch

quietly pushes googleusercache to the site yeah, lets just say that

Tinkeringbell

@EKons I'm not entirely anti green. I can't be, it would make @doppelgreener upset ;)

Magisch

12:51

or he would become triplegreener in protest

Tinkeringbell

That second version looks better ;)

Derpy

Dec 12 '17 at 23:47, by SmokeDetector

@Catija WE LOVE HATS! Winter Bash will begin in 0 days, 0 hours, 12 minutes, and 8 seconds.

and that is your new clue.

EKons

@Magisch lol, true, especially since he's often the double greener

Mithrandir

@Derpy can't enable that until we know when it starts

Derpy

@Mithrandir And what does all of this point to?

and myself

12:57

@Derpy I almost got excited, then realized it's a quote...

Derpy

@Catija yep, they didn't notice. Have some pop-corn, I have been trying to give them clues for about 3 hours now....

EKons

@andmyself nice hand :-P

Derpy

@andmyself and... what should you check then?

and myself

@Derpy ~~chicken~~ parrot hunt?

EKons

let's make this "green parrot hunt" ;-)

Derpy

13:01

while I can understand it is indeed Friday, next one who calls ME the room clueless sleepy-head should probably think twice.

Let's recap:

I have posted a knitted image of a countdown...

A game box with Animuson name on it...

I tried the //!hats command...

what could all of this mean?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Peter Mortensen, that's great! I am so thankful. Can I please get a yes or no to my yes/no question, pretty please? — Jesse Steele 31 mins ago

Does not seek discussion would probably apply here too.

Don't think they'd do any better on meta.ELU

and myself

@Derpy wait, that's a countdown??? I thought it's someone's user ID...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

In my experience, people coming from ELU that had a bad experience disguise a rant in a long-winded discussion full of boring semantics to get the answer they want while it all could have been avoided with a flag or two

Derpy

Last clue: if Catija actually managed to understand what I am trying to say here, she probably must be laughing too by now.

Catija

@Derpy not sure what to tell you.

Magisch

13:06

This is Catastrophic

Derpy

3 hours ago, by Derpy

You probably recognize this, right?

They.. don't:P

Catija

Yeah, sure. Someone posted about it on MSE.

Derpy

And I am trying to get them to realize... without luck

@Catija You would think they noticed by now... nope

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Derpy is full Terrence Malick today

Catija

Eh, it's non-obvious.

Derpy

13:08

well, can't really make it more obvious than reposting this...

16 mins ago, by Derpy

Dec 12 '17 at 23:47, by SmokeDetector

@Catija WE LOVE HATS! Winter Bash will begin in 0 days, 0 hours, 12 minutes, and 8 seconds.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Tinkeringbell mine is usually Stack Ex-Chang, but my language is not set to Chinese

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy I found it...

and myself

So many souls...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

What's with the Zack Snyder cut hypes BTW? Just accept DCEU sucks at the moment and get over it

Derpy

@Tinkeringbell great, now take some pop-corn. Let's see if @mith will realize it too :P

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

13:12

I hate that every disappointing movie gets a 'the director cut was awesome but they left the good parts out' vibe thanks to Snyder

Tinkeringbell

For popcorn, I have to go shopping first. But as things here are still working crappy (my dev server can't keep up with the typing I'm doing for a weird reason...)... I think I'm going to do groceries now ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I still don't know if there's anything that I should have realized

and myself

It's that "hatter" event again...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Tinkeringbell the solution is simple: Bring your wrath upon the keyboard

@andmyself hatters gonna hat, I have bigger fish to fry

Tinkeringbell

More like upon IT and have them get rid of this whole 'development is done on a server' idea.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

13:14

And I'm still intoxicated by the fact that I can see avatars again

Mithrandir

Ah. Found it.

Now I'm going to ruin the fun... ;)

Derpy

welcome to the Illuminati club then :P

Mithrandir

Winter Bash 2018 countdown has started!

11

and myself

Isn't the URL only differs by 1 number?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

So that? That was the magnificent thing I should have realized?

and myself

13:18

(lag attack)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I am doing fine on the sleepy scale then

Andras Deak

@Mithrandir oh boy

Mithrandir

5 pinned items. Hmm.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

In a room full of ROs and mods and devs

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ It's Journeyman Geek's fault.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

13:21

@SmokeDetector darn right buddy

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body (99): ffmpeg created video does not run on most browser by Roland Mösl on superuser.com

EKons

!!/hats

Andras Deak

@EKons is that what it looks like when someone fails the Turing test?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@EKons they need to turn that command on first

EKons

yeah, I wanted to see if the command is already on :P

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

13:23

They're fast but not that fast

EKons

(and also provide a clue for those who haven't figured it out yet! ;-) )

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

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Q: Most of the spam I receive is on webapps.SE

I don't have statistics to backup my claims, I hope you do. I just flagged an answer as spam on webapps.SE. Most of the spam I reported are: Posted as answers On https://webapps.stackexchange.com The moderators are relatively slow to remove it (understandably, it's okay) I get a spam answer ...

discussion spam

Is WebApps being hit by a troll?

EKons

yeah

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

So bad luck then

EKons

there has recently been an occurrence of a spammer over Webapps.SE, this isn't the first time

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

13:28

AAAAAAARGH STOP TRUNCATING QUESTION TITLES

EKons

uh... where?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I've got only meta.SE open at the moment

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Q: How can I start off to become a useful member of this community?

I understand that the rules are very strict, and should be as such, so how can I start off successfully and become a useful member of the community? The advice of experienced members would be welcome. Note: I do not just need faster ways to get reputation points, I want to be a useful community...

discussion

EKons

looks like the truncation isn't very destructive

the point still goes through

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

It is destructive to your retina

And mental wellbeing

9

Q: Prevent users from sharing private keys in cryptocurrency related communities

Being an active member of the Ethereum StackExchange community, I stumble upon many threads started by new users containing sensitive information about their digital wallets - private keys and 12-words mnemonics. Here's just two examples I found in my recent revision history: How to generate a...

feature-request revisions-list security

Haha bloody goldmines, those sites

Andras Deak

is there a relevance to these oneboxes?

Journeyman Geek

13:37

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ the question titles don't truncate except on smaller screens I suspect

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@AndrasDeak nope, just my normal style of linking something and jabbering about it

@JourneymanGeek that's screenist

Derpy

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ some mine coins out in the cold rivers of the north, wielding powerful gpu units and fighting wild bears. Some fish for them on Ethereum.SE

Journeyman Geek

I like big screens and I cannot like.

user194636

Or type 🙂

Magisch

> While we're very deliberately seeking folks that can constructively disagree with us, 'constructively' is a very key modifier, and we need to see that over a period of time.

Is a little worrying from the outside

user194636

13:49

How so?

Magisch

For any other company, you'd read that as "Absolutely no disagreements, and if you do, we'll fire you"

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch in a sense, they need reasonable people who can yell at them politely

user194636

I wouldn't.

Magisch

Hence "a little". Despite its flaws, SE seems straightforward on issues like these

Journeyman Geek

> Our appointed moderators will have full agency to correct any chain of correspondence that appears to be going off the rails, no matter who was originally driving the train. Sometimes it's better to let an objective party step in and handle things, we'll just leave it at that.

user194636

13:51

I think one would have to work quite hard to read something sinister into "constructively disagree".

Magisch

FWIW for a reasonable definition of "constructive" I agree with that sentiment fully. It's just that is 100% common corporate double speak for "we need yes-people"

Journeyman Geek

In fact... and this is a pun worthy of you...

we're moderating rods.

Magisch

Maybe I'm jaded from other companies pulling this all the time

user194636

@Magisch You may well be right, it just doesn't match my personal experience. I may have been lucky. Or naive, it's hard to tell the difference sometimes.

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I can assure you that quite literally what's that is what we got.

and I do think our independance is essential.

Magisch

13:52

I hope you're right, and I trust you and tink to maintain that independance in the face of things

Journeyman Geek

But they also want people with the sense to sometimes "Hey! Can we have a word please?"

Magisch

(I never really interacted with chris but he seems reasonable too)

Journeyman Geek

So here's what I can promise.

user194636

Doesn't he (ChrisF) have five diamonds now?

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch You can always call us out if things go wrong... but be constructive XD

Magisch

13:53

@PaulWhite for SE, I generally agree

despite what ... happened recently, this company is largely free of the kind of crap that other companies do at the daily due to marketing

Journeyman Geek

that quite literally what's in that post is kinda more than what we got told ;)

user194636

I don't agree with everything Tim Post says or does, but I have no doubt he is sincere and well-meaning in his efforts.

Journeyman Geek

And I literally have barely warmed my seat XD

Magisch

@PaulWhite That's a tremendous luxury as far as companies go, usually

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch those folks are literally what's holding the community in place for now ;p

Magisch

13:55

I mean I agree I often disagree with tim and sometimes quite severely too but he never struck me as insincere or uninterested

Journeyman Geek

And I think it would be a clear disservice to everyone if we weren't frank and honest when things were not going right.

Magisch

indeed, some of the PR imperfections can be chalked up to being a genuine person and not filtering everything you say through 5 people in PR

user194636

As far as I even care to remember much of the recent drama, it seems like all of it could have been reduced to almost nothing by a simple application of the "cockup over conspiracy" rule, and trusting that SE meant well, even though they might have messed up again in the execution.

Journeyman Geek

On SU, I have a running joke that my SU users are my constituents - and I try my best to represent their interests.

Magisch

@PaulWhite don't think anyone is seeing it as a conspiracy tbh

Journeyman Geek

13:56

@PaulWhite that's literally why I'm not mad at anyone involved

Magisch

things generally follow the rule of least complexity, i.E some shadowy figure orchestrating all of it is exceedingly unlikely

user194636

@Magisch Not in here maybe. Or maybe not, I don't immediately recall everything everyone has said in the heat of the moment.

user194636

@JourneymanGeek I was a bit cross for a few days. Maybe a week. Time is a great healer.

Journeyman Geek

@PaulWhite if it was someone I knew in the company... words would have been had

Not counting meta XD

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek mad is a strong word. I'm still a bit disappointed and sore, but really there are other more suitable targets for genuine anger

user194636

13:58

@JourneymanGeek Constructively though eh 🙂

Journeyman Geek

@PaulWhite I've posted angry once

I think it scared people a little ;)

user194636

Big scary dog avatar

Magisch

It's a case of "I expected A+ from you and got a B, that is quite disappointing" vs "I didn't expect anything and instead of bringing an F you took a dump on the test sheet" which is actual anger

Journeyman Geek

(actually any time I try not being nice, it scares people) ;p

Fabby

@JourneymanGeek so mods can permanently remove user identifiable information from the history? (Sorry for the dumb question)

Magisch

13:59

@JourneymanGeek It's true, if there's actually angry geek around then people need to seek cover

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