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1:51 AM
breakfast with spam!?
 
 
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2:53 AM
@JourneymanGeek Cassettes can actually sound remarkably good
With a high-quality tape and a deck equipped with noise reduction
 
better than their .3gp videos..
 
3:22 AM
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I had to repair one of her decks. I prefer digital for lack of fragility, and they actually have the hardware to convert the tapes
 
 
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5:43 AM
28 messages moved to Chimney
 
6:34 AM
@JonEricson - So, recently I have been working a lot with several documentation implementations from very prominent places, and looking back at the Documentation feature here I think there is actually a strong differentiation that I have been noticing so I figured I would at least drop it by you as food for though. In our Documentation feature -- as well as in most blog posts -- code, examples, and descriptions are given in a plug and play, actual use demo, style of approach.
However, vendor documentation is given in a proof of concept, enumeration of optional variations, style of approach. I still find official vendor documentation to be severely lacking in real world application, from several of these large vendors, in that giving proof of concept requires almost always solving or implementing vast amounts of organizational code just to use it.
 
morning
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morning!
darn... this AC broke again after 1 month...
 
6:54 AM
@Somewhat Want to trade? Here at the office it's too cold because the AC works too well :)
 
Maybe do a group hug to warm-up?
 
@rene Hmmm. Standup is in three minutes. I'll do jumping jacks ;)
And get more coffee :)
 
That sounds fine with me
 
!!/coffee Tinker
 
@Somewhat brews a cup of Cappuccino for @Tinker
 
6:58 AM
Eeewl. Cappuccino :P
But I appreciate the gesture :)
 
well, better than this?
in Chimney, Aug 11 at 15:06, by SmokeDetector
@OptimusPrime brews a cup of jQuery for @OptimusPrime
 
Can't have enough jQuery
 
@TravisJ yeah, but since the bug report has no update guess it might return any moment. (i.e. good chance they didn't fix anything for real, just some cache was updated by chance)
It happened before too, so...
@Somewhat @_#
!!/jQuery
 
@ShadowWizard No such command 'jquery'.
 
@ShadowWizard I believe it's a kind of tea...
 
7:11 AM
@Somewhat how rude! You should be grateful for that one month of having AC!
:D
 
7:25 AM
jQuery can fix your AC
$("#compressor").replaceWith($("#coil").append(".coolant"));
At least... that is the part of our AC that broke this week we think.
Ah, so fun. AC always breaks when you have 12 of them on site.
 
But my AC runs on PHP...
 
PHP? You're doing it wrong.
How many people would we have to convince that tomorrow is Saturday for it to actually be Saturday?
 
I do have an account there.
Apparently at some point I felt strongly enough to upvote I created an account, voted twice, and haven't touched it since.
 
@TravisJ my car AC works for ~15 minutes then it... lose the coldness. :(
 
7:39 AM
AC's are not cool
 
@Somewhat LAMP?
 
@ShadowWizard AWNP
Apple running Windows instance with NoSQL and PHP
 
@ShadowWizard Your car has at some point leaked out its AC coolant and needs to be recharged.
@ShadowWizard I was curious what I voted on.
 
@TravisJ nah... it becomes cool again after 6-8 minutes (really!) if I turn the AC off.
Something else is borked.
@TravisJ yeah... :D
 
7:43 AM
Do you have a turbo in your car?
 
@TravisJ lol no... it's old-ish car, quite basic.
2009 Mitsubishi.
 
Nope, I say vroem, vroem myself
 
A long time ago I drove a 2001 mitsubishi galant
 
@rene car isn't a horse!
 
I actually enjoyed that at the time
 
7:44 AM
@TravisJ Galant is better, I have Lancer
 
Lancer is sportier
I used to do 180's in that galant lol
 
o_O
My car will probably literally break apart if I reach 150
@TravisJ really?? Surely doesn't feel that way.
 
Oh, it would have too, I don't think it could go over 130 due to gearing. A 180 is a half 360
 
?
You mean turning in 180 degrees on spot?
There's a name for it...
or not
 
drive ~30-50 depending on your mood, jerk wheel to the right 90 degrees, pull emergency brake, turn wheel to the left as far as possible until car is facing 90 degrees left, turn wheel all the way right until facing 180 degrees, done - optionally try to time this with getting the car into gear to keep moving
going 50+, hitting the foot brake at 180 and reversing the wheel process will get you a full spin
@ShadowWizard Yeah, like that, although that guy is pretty on point, +1
 
7:50 AM
@Somewhat Definitely ;)
@TravisJ You forgot the 'scream' part ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell lol, hey, do what you gotta do :D
 
@TravisJ I'll stick with trying to drive normally and screaming for now ;)
 
Nothing wrong with that either. Although, some smooth jazz or house music or something might help with the screaming :P
 
That's an idea, badass rock music ;)
I'll have the instructor try that next week ;)
 
Perhaps some new godsmack or shinedown :P
 
8:05 AM
Those sound like homebrew liquor names
 
lol
 
@TravisJ I'll try and remember to listen to them once I get home ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell cool :)
@JohnDvorak I haven't homebrewed anything except a Nintendo DS
 
@ShadowWizard bootlegger turn
 
8:37 AM
@TravisJ you're wasted as a programmer, you should be race driver! ;)
@JourneymanGeek ohh
 
@ShadowWizard I wish!
 
@rene need your advice as SQL guru.... in SQL Server (2014 Express), is there a limit to amount of tables in single database? I created auto back mechanism that creates a mirror table whenever the original table was changed, so now I got ~300 tables. Will it cause problems?
Thanks!
Wait... is it 2014? checking.. yup
 
iirc the only limitation of express is data based
so if you exceed some number of GBs it wont work anymore
 
Yeah, express has a 10gb limit
And no table limit
 
@ShadowWizard if there is a limit I expect it to be much higher then 300
 
8:40 AM
@Magisch yeah, we got that in other project, switched to PostgreSQL for that project.
 
still creating mirror tables is a really bad design
save a transaction log instead
 
but this one is smaller, prefer SQL Server
 
Although, I think that tables have a field limit of something unreasonably high
 
I think table field limit in mssql is 65k something
 
@rene thanks!
 
8:40 AM
Yeah, something crazy
 
I know it's not 1024 because we have a table with 3k columns
 
Wow... no comment :P
 
Wasn't there in SQL2000 or so a total bytes limit per row?
Or was that in MS Access?
 
My nuance knowledge stops at 2008
MS Access? involuntary shudder
 
It was fine to have 1024 fields or so, but you couldn't make them all varchar(4096)
 
8:44 AM
@Magisch it's a patch... no time for elegant stuff
@Magisch now that's a bad design... ;)
 
Well apparently you can only select up to 4096 columns with a single select
 
@TravisJ ready for something even worse? Macromedia Dreamweaver
With classic ASP ^
 
@Magisch and then have an order by 666, 1034 desc
 
@ShadowWizard At least it had a nice preview feature, even if it did have built in IE
 
Its auto generated code was awful
 
8:50 AM
it could be worse: Visual Interdev
 
 
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9:58 AM
The new gmail looks gross. That is all.
 
Not to mention that it's slow and heavy
 
Is it weird that I think it would look better to just have some ASCII in a terminal?
 
10:10 AM
ummmm......
lets' try...
@NotThatGuy Yep, it kinda look better as an Ascii art....
 
user310756
 
11:49 AM
@Derpy
 
Oooh, sexiness
 
@NotThatGuy cheater :P
 
12:18 PM
How to merge git branches and resolve conflicts:
- Pull from the source branch
- Notice a conflict
- Do a diff to see what changed
- Open the file in an editor
- Try to make sense of the mess that should've just been their code followed by your code
- Give up
- Just do `git checkout --theirs` and manually copy your code from GitHub into your favourite text editor.
 
Nah, just force apply your own stuff and say "your update got lost? Weird. Maybe reapply it. Git is strange"
 
But then your boss might say "Your job got lost? Weird. Maybe reapply. Employment is strange"
 
Given how much my previous boss complained about Git magically losing his stuff, I think I could have gotten away with it. Current bosses, less so :D
 
counter example meta.stackexchange.com/questions/314777/… @Bart @rene @TravisJ
@Bart you still use git in your new work place?
 
Yup
 
12:31 PM
:(
Never Ending Git
 
@ShadowWizard 'still'? Is git outdated again already?
 
@Tinkeringbell no but it might get complicated to use...
 
Git is the most reasonable solution really, even though it's a headache with binary assets.
 
Half of using Git consists of asking Google how to do that one thing you do fairly often, but just not quite often enough to actually remember exactly how to do.
 
More SO views, yay
plot twist: GIT invented by SE and made complicated on purpose to draw more people to the site
 
12:42 PM
@NotThatGuy I use sticky notes for that kind of stuff :)
@ShadowWizard So far, I don't really find it complicated. But then again, I'm only using it for easy stuff ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell me too (well, not git, Bit Bucket, but guess it's quite the same), but I do see many people struggle with this.
This? ^
 
@ShadowWizard True. This project has just switched from svn to git. I was born and raised with git, but I'm probably the only one that's happy ;)
@ShadowWizard Hahaha kind of ;)
I only have 2 sticky notes right now. The rest I've done often enough to have memorized
 
@Tinkeringbell Yeah, we switched from SVN to Bit Bucket because it has free plan for private small business.
@Tinkeringbell so the two are... "Eat", and "Drink"? :D
 
We went from SVN to GitLab... because they didn't want to use cloud services. I still find there's a lot of room for improvement, but hey... at least now I know how to commit my code again :)
 
I couldn't got back to SVN again. The whole branching workflow is so natural now. And the decentralization is lovely.
Or CVS ... shudder
 
12:49 PM
BBS?
 
Hehe, I'm old enough to have used that
 
I could use it, but didn't... wasn't "tech savvy" enough back then.
 
@Bart I didn't get the whole SVN either. So I just stalled 'finishing' the code for three weeks ;)
 
lol
You could print the code, and send it by actual postal mail to the boss. @Tinkeringbell ;)
 
git....... hissing sounds
 
12:52 PM
@ShadowWizard I've made some beautifully written code once ;) I do some calligraphy sometimes... and a co-worker was so proud of their 'sentence' that I made it in calligraphy for them ... because I had to prove I could write even more beautiful code ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell years ago when I still worked at the university, it was all SVN. With a server that would constantly go down.
 
@Bart Years ago ... I didn't even know how to program ;)
 
Oh you young whippersnapper
 
@Bart I'm not that young anymore! I'm almost in my thirties. And I definitely feel old sometimes.
 
"almost in my thirties" ... isn't that cute.
:p
 
12:55 PM
Duh. I'm the pinnacle of cute (not) :P
 
Already voted
 
@Bart Nah, that's old. ;)
 
@rene kaboom
 
1:00 PM
Hey, stop pestering old people!
 
@Tinkeringbell worth to write in in CV..... ;)
@rene kabong
Old people can pester other old people
 
The older you get, the more you can get away with.
 
@Bart I'm 23 and I feel old sometimes
I feel I'm not in touch with youth culture anymore and I have a rising urge to tell people to get off lawns
 
Yes, get off all lawns, please
 
@Bart True and false. Sometimes younger people get away with stuff that older people don't... think falling on a slippery piece of sidewalk and breaking hips/knees in winter :P
 
1:02 PM
Oh, but that's just because after your 18th birthday, life is a downhill race towards the inevitable sweet release of death @Magisch. #inspirational :p
3
 
Some lawns are designed to be used.
 
Until they become brown
 
I call those design flaws
 
That said... where's @jad?
 
@rene design flawns?
 
1:04 PM
yep
 
@jadarnel27 new brown signal! What's up? How's jadarnel28?
 
1:26 PM
user image
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lol ^
Pretty sure we could add non-existent tags as favorites in the past... :/
It was rather cool feature, even if useless. :D
But love the fact they now remove a tag from a list when adding it to the other list.
 
user194636
good to see hostility has been eradicated
 
1:42 PM
All hail to the new user indicator! (I mean precipitation, of course, not gratitude)
 
@ShadowWizard Hey!
jadarnel28 is doing well. She's crawling now, so I'm realizing that every square foot of my house is basically a death trap.
 
@jadarnel27 heh, we're past that stage... with two other kids, tiny toys are everywhere, and the baby learned not to put them in her mouth. :D
(We still monitor every move, but... she's fine. :))
How old is @jadarnel28? @jad
 
@ShadowWizard good survival skills =)
She is 8 months old now. Time flies and all that.
 
1:58 PM
Got my first Be nice reminder, i answer to them because I never wanted to hurt anyone. I just sucks at talking to people. But now what? It's a one time answer with no feedback or edition. not even an aknowledgment?
 
I acknowledge that you answered
 
@JohnDvorak Thx. That was helpful. I will wait 6 to 9 week.
 
 
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3:32 PM
there's a be nice reminder?
 
4:22 PM
@KevinB Sure. If you're curious what it looks like, just be rude enough ;)
On a serious note, it's a moderator message ;)
 
4:53 PM
@JonEricson fyi, I quoted part of a comment of yours. Let me know if you feel it's taken out of context.
 
5:08 PM
@canon Hmmm. I'm personally more fond of examples to support claims, but I guess your answer is still nice. I do think the quote wasn't meant like that, but that's my interpretation of it based on what surrounded that sentence.
 
Sometimes I wonder if SO mods have me put on their ignore list. evidence ...
 
@rene I'm going to ask them how they did it. :P
 
That ... was not the welcoming response I expected ... :(
 
@rene Awww. sorry. I could offer you a joke in compensation?
To cheer you up :P
 
sure!
 
5:21 PM
Okay :P Ken je die grap van die bloem? In het Engels is ie flower :P
 
ROFLOL
 
guess that worked... It's a really old joke, sure you haven't heard it before?
 
It is how it is performed that matters ...
 
Yeah, it is. It kinda is a bad fit for a chat joke.
 
New design when editing tags?
 
5:36 PM
looks a bit more rounded?
 
no, rather more rectangular, with rounded corners
 
That is better explained, but yes. That looks new to me
 
seems like the change happened recently
 
well, there has been a build pushed today
could be part of that. I don't recall if I saw it y'day
 
might have changed during the last 30 min or so
 
user310756
5:41 PM
@LucianoFCastelfranchi a wise and long user said that the site didn't know what users wanted. So I explicitly put it out there. A sweeping together of what's been going on, so the network can come and clearly see what's grating us. 18 answers and growing. Also note worthy I got feedback, they're looking at these issues. I tell you, if they don't I too will throw my hands up in the air. From a long chat with Catija, I think it will be ok. — Yvette Colomb ♦ 40 secs ago
 
user310756
@Catija ^^
 
user310756
:)
 
@AnneDaunted yeah, normally they push new stuff to the sites daily, with MSE first but there is no exact time. They push to production when it is ready.
 
Because I edited something before and I'm sure that it still looked, well, "normal" then. But a few minutes ago, the design changed. It's not bad. I'm just curious.
 
"moving cheese" will be the new "normal"
@AnneDaunted as they are working towards this universal design, I guess the examples here that are not yet found implemented on the site can be expected to change the next 6 to 8 weeks.
 
6:15 PM
@rene Well upon french fries and gravvy ...
 
6:39 PM
@Tinkeringbell expanded to the full comment so people may draw their own conclusions.
So, down to brass tacks: are silent, dispassionate killbots more welcoming than snarky killbots? :P
@YvetteColomb it's a pity because the people making the decisions don't seem to care.
 
6:58 PM
Might be time to dig this thing up... and maybe expand it to encompass standard voting and a normalized feedback mechanism for the OP
checklist of good/bad
 
Sounds getting to broad to attend any individuals equally :3
Not to mention many different sites here meanwhile.
I like anarchists in general. They have a tough will to survive anything.
 
user310756
@canon yes that's a good answer
 
7:47 PM
@YvetteColomb Farm pics?
 
user310756
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog oh yeh. Will do a bit later... have to fly.. metaphorically
 

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