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SmokeDetector

14:15

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer: Send and Receive more than 64KB over TCP/IP socket by Emma L on codereview.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Credit card metadata database by user9982034 on opendata.SE

Shadow Wizard

14:36

plz-delete useless rant (?) meta.stackexchange.com/questions/311729/… @rene @JourneymanGeek @Glorfindel

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard stuck a fork in it

Somewhat Memorable Name

@ShadowWizard based on the similar question list on the right, looks like a daily rant...

Shadow Wizard

@SomewhatMemorableName not really. Nobody suggested before to just not let new users to register. It got nothing about being nice.

Somewhat Memorable Name

Wow, so... the similar questions list is unwelcoming...

rene

he needs to stay reasonable. I really need that bounty ...

Shadow Wizard

14:39

bounty?

John Dvorak

Do you?

Shadow Wizard

Am I?

rene

Free Internet Points !!!!

Somewhat Memorable Name

No waffles?

Shadow Wizard

in Localization Of Stack Overflow, 4 hours ago, by Shadow Wizard

Catija

14:42

rene

I'll go out for an ice cream ... the weather is good

Kevin B

.

Somewhat Memorable Name

@KevinB I (don't) see what you did there...

Shadow Wizard

dot?

Somewhat Memorable Name

expected an emoji, got a dot

Kevin B

14:44

oh, my logins were all weird this morning from removing google and adding email, making sure it was working here

Shadow Wizard

Odd, first Google result for the dot: library.stanford.edu/search/…

Journeyman Geek

there is no waffle emoji

emojipedia.org/waffle

Kevin B

⌨️

Somewhat Memorable Name

@ShadowWizard looks better than this...

Shadow Wizard

Hey, anyone up for editing this question to reflect it's about resizing window size and not zooming? It requires quite a lot of time which I don't have ATM.

(I think that's what he means at least)

Catija

14:53

Oh, wow, I didn't even notice that the top bar is responsive everywhere right now. That's cool.

Let me poke at it.

John Dvorak

In the meantime, the sidebar still doesn't expand to the full width when it moves to the bottom.

Danack

15:07

Any mods around - chat.stackoverflow.com/users/1008292/ten5 is a person who has some mental illness, and isn't taking a 'hint' to go see a doctor.

He has habit of spamming chat rooms with OCD questions about making 'plans'. For hours at a time.

The position of the PHP chat room is that he isn't allowed to talk there until he gets some treatment.

John Dvorak

flag

Danack

He's not taking the hint, and could do with preventing spamming other chat rooms that don't currently have room owners online.

Somewhat Memorable Name

@JourneymanGeek are you here? perhaps you can share your experience in your similar case? ^

Catija

Did you raise a mod flag?

Mithrandir

@Danack If someone's being disruptive, raise a chat mod flag. chat.SO is on a separate domain from chat.SE and chat.Meta, so only SO mods have powers there.

Kevin B

15:10

Hmm. i haven't seen any flags

fwiw he has a history in the JS chat too, just hasn't been there recently

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, Jun 4 at 20:10, by ten5

hi, can I ask about the php, I am not able to get the needed info in that room?

Somewhat Memorable Name

but yeah, consider raising a chat mod flag on SO. Mods on here... well, there is no mods other than SE staffs on Meta SE.

and I don't see SO mods on this room either

Danack

Thanks - I didn't know mod flags were a thing.

Somewhat Memorable Name

oh wow... grabs popcorn and open the transcript

Shadow Wizard

15:30

@Danack telling someone "go see a doctor" is rude and offensive, I'll flag such a chat message if seeing it. Instead if a user is posting inappropriate messages (either in chat or on the site) just flag and move on.

We don't and should not judge/treat people. Most we can advice is something like "I think you better stay away from this place for a while".

Catija

Seems like he is talking about zoom, by the way @ShadowWizard :)

Shadow Wizard

@Catija well, same final result, in a way.

But still, zoom will break other things.

Catija

Yep. Don't even have to change the answer because I don't use either word, I think.

Shadow Wizard

I think 200% or 250% zoom level activates "mobile device mode" at some level, dunno if browser or SE.

(not mobile web...)

So while zoom of 150% will break many things, 200% will work as the site will think it's a mobile device.

Kevin B

@ShadowWizard agreed, kick-mute and moving messages is good enough for this particular user imo. We're well past the point of asking him to stop.

Shadow Wizard

15:34

@KevinB yeah, probably. and if just trolling without specific rude/offensive messages, mod should still manually chat ban to stop the trolling and disrupting other users.

Still, we should not engage him.

Kevin B

the third kickmute creates an autoflag anyway

right?

Catija

... I'm not actually sure.

Shadow Wizard

some auto flag is raised, not sure when exactly.

Catija

> After three kicks from the room, an automatic moderator flag is raised.

So... yes.

Shadow Wizard

huh. Nice.

πάντα ῥεῖ

16:02

Oh boy:

-8

A: How to defend your question against close-votes

Improve the question If the close-voters have left comments about what is wrong, edit the question to address those concerns. Flag a mod If it's a simple misunderstanding, and editing hasn't fixed it somehow. Then if it's simple to explain in 100 words, then hit flag and write a custom message...

"Flag a mod", is their 1st and foremost idea :-/

The system is really bad in teaching people how to post good questions.

rene

Yeah, mods are the solution to all problems

Somewhat Memorable Name

14.8k on SO?

actually, not sure if it's supposed to be faq-proposed or...

πάντα ῥεῖ

That's not that much

Catija

Well, I was complaining that there wasn't much recently out there to answer on MSE... now I have something. :D

πάντα ῥεῖ

Considering that SO serves tags like javascript and PHP

rene

16:08

I was about to offer that SOCVR can help in getting a question closed until I realized they were asking for the opposite ...

πάντα ῥεῖ

OK OP has a silver badge for c and bronze for c++

rene

yes and those have some notorious close voters

πάντα ῥεῖ

Like me, yes :3

Somewhat Memorable Name

@SmokeDetector fp , not really misleading leading link

SmokeDetector

@SomewhatMemorableName Registered question as false positive.

rene

16:27

Can someone with del votes on MSO cast some here

Catija

... can someone tell my lazy butt what the vote split is here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/370014/… I'm guessing I've got at least 5-10 dvs.

Martin James

@Catija +89-10 :(

Somewhat Memorable Name

@Catija spot on 👏

Catija

... what's LRiO's answer at?

Somewhat Memorable Name

+14-16

Catija

16:34

Eesh.

Well, at least they like mine better. :D

Somewhat Memorable Name

Surprised by the number of upvotes? That just says how many users participate on MSO and how diverse they are...

rene

I like the comments better ... hides

Catija

@rene Yes... ;)

@SomewhatMemorableName I guess I'm sorta surprised that there's more upvotes on LRiO's answer than DVs on mine... Though, people are often less likely to DV.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Catija All in all it confirms me in my stance that not to comment would be the better choice at all. Snarkyness still looks like a pretty subjective thing to me yet.

DV/CV move on ...

Somewhat Memorable Name

I feel this comment is unnecessary, or worse, rude. I did flag as NLN though, mind helping to flag as NLN? (I don't think it deserves rude flag)

πάντα ῥεῖ

16:48

Asking for a curse is clearly rude.

Somewhat Memorable Name

feel free to flag...

πάντα ῥεῖ

Even for anonymous voters

@SomewhatMemorableName I did

@rene The most CV reasons are missing MCVE at SO, and also significantly raising code with errors or not yet implemented and lacks concrete context at CR as far I've noticed.

πάντα ῥεῖ

17:16

@Catija Oh, sorry. I've been overlooking that your cite wasn't their original comment, but how you gave a better suggestion. Can't see their original comment (yet) right now.

rene

@πάνταῥεῖ I ninja-ed you nicely there ...

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene You did, I was just typing that here :)

rene

lol

πάντα ῥεῖ

OP had an insight though :)

SmokeDetector

17:40

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad pattern in URL answer: Fix / Recover data from corrupted MFT Partition by prism peter on askubuntu.com

πάντα ῥεῖ

@SmokeDetector tpu-

πάντα ῥεῖ

18:52

Refrain from commenting is much of what I've learned is the best thing to do. That's best of any guidelines I've ever read @Tim. — πάντα ῥεῖ 42 secs ago

Travis J

@ShadowWizard Yeah, 4 separate 100 voted posts. Sorry for the confusion.

I was kinda tired...

@Catija As for the relationship, it was just an example, but make no mistake this is a real world example. It is prevalent right now at mSO. There are a few users with hundreds of upvotes over the past 60 days, but that pales in comparison to being able to vote hundreds of times. Even with posts, sure, you can write something mediocre in a minute, but if it is well researched and has actual depth it probably took as much time as it would take to vote all 40 times.

I can go vote 10 times in 10 minutes easily. I would challenge anyone to write 10 well written answers or questions (even harder) in 10 minutes.

The idea that there is an equivalency here is astonishing to me. I didn't expect anyone to actually believe that it existed. On main sites (and on MSE) the "participation" tab is the "reputation" tab, so to me it seems like a misunderstanding in implementation. Furthermore, the "participation" tab so closely tracks the "voters" tab it is essentially useless as presently implemented.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

19:08

Looks like Peter Mortensen has again started depriving post authors of their reopening edit by making grammar edits to closed posts within five days. Nowadays I see it only on posts closed as duplicates; guess he isn't aware that those are also pushed to the RV queue even though they aren't marked as "on hold".

Travis J

I personally don't think third party edits should cause the post to enter the reopen queue.

I thought we found that out from the Help and Improvement queue. In almost all cases, the required edit which would cause a post to be reopened must be made by the asker.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@TravisJ It was the case originally, when the feature was first implemented in 2013, that only author edits would add it. They later changed it in response to a feature request. The Help & Improvement queue didn't exist at the time that FR was filed and implemented.

πάντα ῥεῖ

Regarding @Tim's post, what goods could comments leave about this VLQ question

-1

Q: WAP in Python to accept string and find the count of lower case and upper case alphabets

I tried using string function but didn't succeed. How to solve the given problem.Elaborate in details.

python

Travis J

Amusingly, at the top of that post since I don't have the rep to not see ads, I see the ad and it has a more descriptive problem than the question.

πάντα ῥεῖ

You're kidding, right? — Robert Harvey 1 min ago

That's not constructive.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

19:14

Side note: the Community Bulletin's gone

Travis J

It isn't.

I mean, that question has severe issues. No comment will fix it.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

What question?

Travis J

The linked one above

πάντα ῥεῖ

@TravisJ Just my thoughts.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Ah, sorry, I forgot to temporarily un-ignore them after a prior incident.

Travis J

19:15

lol, understandable

(sorry :P)

πάντα ῥεῖ

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog There weren't any incidents, just disagreements. You probably need to learn how to distinguish such stuff.

@Sonic Feel free to ignore me further anyways.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

You were interjecting into my conversations. I try to be fully transparent when I ignore and un-ignore you, because I feel hurt when others give me a cold shoulder, and I don't want others to feel hurt for the same reason.

And I was feeling very strongly about myself, so your comments at the time seemed off-putting.

πάντα ῥεῖ

I don't care that much. I probably simply should ignore you.

And let you know of course!

I hope your spectrum let's you achieve that message well.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Now that's the type of message that prompts me to ignore you.

Undo

ya'll probably should stop now

Catija

19:29

I'm going to say "stop now"... no "probably".

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

As can be evidenced by this message, I wasn't typing another argument.

Shog9

This room was placed in timeout for 1 minute; I want you all to know...

...my wood chipper, fuel leak corrected, started on the first pull.

5

Woohoo!

Now back to your regularly-scheduled timeout

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I wonder, why timeout after it's already ended?

Mgetz

@Shog9 Getting rid of beetle kill trees?

Shog9

drought-kill

well

aspens kinda just die anyway

but the dry winter and spring definitely didn't help

Mgetz

19:32

@Shog9 They do and they don't.... they just pop up shoots elsewhere

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 So you're admitting that you abused a timeout just to get people to listen to you, when we were already listening?

Shog9

yeah, well... In a certain sense, aspens kinda live forever unless you poison them

in that sense, my aspen is alive and well

but I still have a pile of brush to deal with

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog no

Mgetz

At least you'll have plenty of firewood!

Shog9

If I was going to admit that, I'd say something like,

"This concludes my abuse of the timeout feature"

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 So then why timeout after the behavior had already stopped?

Shog9

19:34

But instead, I shall say,

"I have now successfully used the timeout feature to change the topic to Aspens"

3

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 So you abused a moderator action to change a topic?

Shog9

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog yes

Mgetz

@Shog9 status-needs-whiskey-and-barbecue

Shog9

Now, back to Aspens

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Did you take into account the risk that I would change the topic to timeouts?

Shog9

19:35

Pando (tree)

Pando (Latin for "spread out"), also known as the Trembling Giant, is a clonal colony of an individual male quaking aspen (Populus tremuloides) determined to be a single living organism by identical genetic markers and assumed to have one massive underground root system. The plant occupies 43 hectares (106 acres) and is estimated to weigh collectively 6,000,000 kilograms (6,600 short tons), making it the heaviest known organism. The root system of Pando, at an estimated 80,000 years old, is among the oldest known living organisms. Pando is located 1 mile (1.6 km) southwest of Fish Lake on Utah...

Undo

We lost a tree in our front yard to beetles :(

Shog9

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I concluded that you would calculate the risk of being kicked if you tried that.

Tinkeringbell

I have my own tree. Best part: It's tended to by the government, no maintenance required! :D

Mgetz

@Undo it's really bad here, you go up near winter park and it's just alllll beetle kill

Andy

I have a dead tree in my yard that is looming over my garage. I really need to take it down, but it's rather large.

Shog9

19:36

piece by piece is the way to go

Undo

They were African Tree Death Beetles or something

bad bugs. no like.

Mgetz

@Andy I would deal with that before you need a new garage

Taryn

@Undo are they as bad as Palo Verde beetles?

πάντα ῥεῖ

I am actually wondering if I should change my nick to "beetlejuice"

Taryn

those are the stuff of nightmares

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

19:37

@Shog9 Yes, I did. I knew that I'd have nothing to say about trees, or about anything at the time you'd kick.

Shog9

on the topic of beetle juice...

Undo

> Arizona overrun by giant, flying beetles in search of love

this is the worst headline I have ever read

Shog9

One year we had a really bad problem with potato bugs

Andy

lol

Mgetz

Bark beetle

The unrelated sawyer beetles (Monochamus) and some other wood-boring beetle taxa (especially Cucujoidea) are sometimes called "bark beetles", too. A bark beetle is one of about 220 genera with 6,000 species of beetles in the subfamily Scolytinae. Traditionally, this was considered a distinct family Scolytidae, but is now understood to be very specialized members of the "true weevil" family (Curculionidae). Well-known species are members of the type genus Scolytus, namely the European elm bark beetle S. multistriatus and the large elm bark beetle S. scolytus, which like the American elm bark beetle...

Shog9

19:37

we'd go along the rows pinching them off, but they'd return in larger numbers

rene

kill one, get 7 back ...

Shog9

so my mom read somewhere that you could grind up the larvae with water and spray the mixture on the plants to discourage more arrivals

I don't recall if that worked, but collecting and pureeing them wasn't a ton of fun

Travis J

Spider mites might get rid of beetles.

Shog9

that doesn't seem like an improvement...

Andy

Just jump to the end of that chain and drop over some lions in your potato bed.

Undo

19:40

maybe ground spider mite juice would repel beetles

Travis J

Spider mites are easy to get rid of though

Andy

with lions?

Travis J

Yes, lion mites.

At that point you need to get wasps to get rid of the lion mites.

It is all very straightforward.

Shog9

where do the gorillas come in?

Travis J

Spider mites are rather susceptible to basic pesticides, nothing nasty.

Shog9

19:42

I'm using soap water with a healthy shot of hydrogen peroxide right now

πάντα ῥεῖ

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog And what feelings do you believe your messages leave me with this?

Shog9

Doc Bronner's Castile Soap, for that crazy hippy goodness

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@πάνταῥεῖ Since you knew when and why I was ignoring you each time, probably a little less hurt. But if you want to talk about this, let's head over to Sonic's Den

πάντα ῥεῖ

Nope, no need for that.

And I am also strong enough to bear that.

Shog9

Talking about ignoring kinda defeats the purpose. Talking about kicking, OTOH...

Travis J

19:44

Gorillas? They don't get to come in, such troublesome guests.

Shog9

What do you use to get rid of the kittens then?

πάντα ῥεῖ

Deep waters.

Tinkeringbell

Crazy cat ladies

Shog9

then you have mildew

Machavity

@Shog9 I've heard this poem before. Doesn't the lady who swallowed all that die at the end?

Shog9

19:46

of course

Travis J

One doesn't simply get rid of kittens. Besides, over time they turn into cats so problem solved.

Tinkeringbell

Anyhow. Sorry to drop into the middle of a very entertaining conversation, but since I'm here and talking: I already scrolled through the tour and took a glance at the help center... any other advise on how to figure MSE out, since there's no meta?

Travis J

lol

Shog9

166

Q: How do I participate in Meta and not die trying?

Meta doesn't like me; I can't seem to keep my points. How can I post better and be well-received?

discussion meta faq-proposed

πάντα ῥεῖ

No, seriously I'd be never about of getting rid of kittens. They're to cuddly and sweet. I always adopted all of them.

Shog9

19:47

75

Q: What is a meta for?

A guest at my house over the weekend stood puzzled next to my driveway. "What is that for?" she asked, pointing to a framework of 2x4s and hardware cloth perched on an old tire amid piles of sand. "Sifter." I said. "For what?" "For sifting gravel." "Why?" "To line walking paths, such as the one y...

discussion meta new-users help-center waffles

Travis J

I agree, MSE needs a meta.

Shog9

711

Q: The Many Memes of Meta

Catchphrases and concepts that spread from person to person are known as memes, which, courtesy the Internet, can now explode across the Earth like a highly contagious virus (hence "going viral"). As with their real-life counterparts, some infectious diseases are global (pandemic), while others a...

support faq fun memes

190

A: Can we talk about the voting culture here on Meta?

So I've been kinda chewing on this since your email, because... It's one of those simple questions that defies a simple answer. You're not the only person to raise this concern, of course: several respected users, moderators and even co-workers have expressed dismay upon seeing reasonable questio...

πάντα ῥεῖ

@TravisJ Something I've thought of ...

Machavity

@Tinkeringbell Don't try to figure MSE out. Tis a silly place

Tinkeringbell

Thanks! That's enough for now. If I'm still confused after all that, you'll know.

πάντα ῥεῖ

19:48

The Tavern might be even worse regarding that :-P

Machavity

In other news, is the API hosed? Questions are being reported as deleted but they're not so much?

rene

@Tinkeringbell you'll be confused but so are we, so it is kind of normal ...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 As that was posted on MSO, it doesn't take into account that users lose rings for downvotes on MSE.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Machavity I am pretty sure that there's no PHP suited API :3

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog No one cares

Shog9

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog to be fair, if I'd posted it on MSE it still wouldn't have taken that into account

Machavity

19:50

@πάνταῥεῖ This is JavaScript. So we're elite now

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I mean, on MSE, people often don't consider, "I disagree with this, but is it so bad that the author should lose privileges over it?"

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Machavity Praise it!

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I say this having actually lost a privilege for making a disagreed FR.

rene

@Machavity someone found /2.2/questions/delete/* and it worked ...

Undo

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog How long did it take to regain it?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

19:51

May 10 at 12:34, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

tl;dr I'm not really concerned about the numbers here. I'm ideologically, morally opposed to the idea of losing rep simply for disagreement.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Undo They're fast, don't ya know?

Undo

Oh, yeah, kinda hard to have a discussion about numbers and ignore the numbers

Shog9

I'm still quite OK with the idea of losing rep for being disagreeable

5

Mgetz

@Shog9 isn't this what happens in real life?

Machavity

@rene Yeah, everything is slowly going back to normal. For SO. Which is probably not really a thing

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

19:52

Being disagreeable and having others disagree with you are two different things.

Shog9

that's what I'd expect a disagreeable person to say!

an agreeable person would've, y'know, agreed with me

Machavity

@Shog9 Spoken like a pointy-haired man

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

On top of the above, the system offers to give you back your lost rings in exchange for recanting your opinion. This is very clique-y.

Martin James

@Shog9 When you get that old wood chipper going, I'm sure something will occur to you.

Shog9

@MartinJames read up - gasket cured, it started up this morning

Martin James

19:54

@Shog9 :)

rene

Thoughts on were the content came from: meta.stackexchange.com/q/311739/158100 ?

Travis J

To be fair, @sonic, you only lost 22 rep from those two negatively voted FR's.

That is like, one meme joke on meta's worth of rep.

Shog9

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog yeah, that's a lousy way of getting rep though. It's like saying, "if I don't invest, I'll never lose money!"

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@TravisJ Not including deleted ones.

Travis J

(total remains the same with deleted posts included)

Shog9

19:56

Best way to earn rep on MSE? Same way you earn rep on SO: explain complicated things to people such that they can understand them.

3

Travis J

You lost me at that last part...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Moral: side with us, and we'll keep you in, maybe even give you more rings. Express your opinion and have us initially disagree with it, and we'll take away your rings. Recant your opinion, and we'll give it all back.

Shog9

who is "us"?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

The general MSE community

Undo

No, 'us' in that example is "the people who disagree with you"

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

19:57

Five starred messages in a row from Shog in less than 30 minutes

Mgetz

@Shog9 This requires understanding complex things, and then being able to explain them. This sounds like work, do you have an easier way? ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

@lizardbill @codinghorror You're after a poutine sandwich, I can smell it!

Tweeted by GntherMakulik on June 26, 2018 at 7:57 PM in reply to lizardbill

Undo

@Mgetz you could suggest 500 edits randomly bolding stuff in people's posts

Shog9

Second highest-voted feature-request on MSE:

981

Q: Encouraging people to explain downvotes

I used to get "upset" (though that is too strong a term) when I got downvoted without comment. If my answer isn't good enough then I'd like to know why. Not only does it improve the answer for the OP but it improves my knowledge too. Where the down-vote has been explained I've found it useful & ...

feature-request status-completed voting down-votes comments

lowest-voted feature-request on MSE:

-114

Q: Badge suggestion: HATER, LOVER, and FAIR AND BALANCED

I wanted to suggest three new badges: HATER: If you've downvoted any one person more than 20 times. LOVER: If you've upvoted any one person more than 20 times. FAIR AND BALANCED: If you've upvoted AND downvoted one person more 20 times UP and DOWN. What do you think? Then we would finally kno...

feature-request status-declined badge-request negative-badges

Travis J

@Shog9 Sometimes it is hard to judge what level of explanation the audience needs in order for them to understand.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

19:58

@TravisJ No, the system only gave me back my rings because I was a wimp and recanted my opinion. If, on the other hand, I had clung to my guns on those FRs and stood by them, I would have continued to have rings taken away.

Shog9

@TravisJ "sometimes"?

I usually figure I have to explain something about a dozen times before I have any real hope of being able to appeal to a broad audience

Mgetz

@Shog9 I'd vote for this one only if the last badge is renamed to ⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛ (Name removed to avoid politics)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I must have told you about a time when I fought for an SO question of mine to be undeleted, even though I would stand to gain 100 rep from its deletion.

Travis J

@Shog9 How do you decide where to explain it a dozen times before explaining it to the broad audience?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@TravisJ To Quack Overflow, of course

Shog9

20:00

Folks get attached to their words. Myself included. We read and re-read them, and begin to imagine them beautiful and clear. But this means nothing; it's complimenting yourself on a well-played game of solitaire

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Wikipedia:Vested interest

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Shog9

@TravisJ I don't. I just write the same things over and over again as opportunity arises. Eventually, I get slightly better at it.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

You mean like that?

Shog9

Why do you think I hang out here? It gives me an opportunity to explain things badly.

Travis J

lol

Tinkeringbell

20:02

@Shog9 abruptly stops reading you what? :/

Mgetz

@Shog9 last I checked we're sarcastic... was this intentional masochism?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Sonic I don't know actually what your fights are about, but from my POV they're probably not worth it. Taking a walk outside, and enjoying a summer breeze and the green woods might give you some better experience for your overall life.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Shog9 No, you do a swell job.

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@Shog9 And take a whiskey shot after :-P

Shog9

it's like the old adage: "practice makes less shitty"

mmm... whiskey

Magisch

20:04

@Shog9 And here I thought you were here to enjoy our radiant and positive company

Shog9

that's just a side bonus

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@Shog9 Needs lotta soap and whiskey ..

Travis J

whiskey, sides, wood chipper... is it friday yet?

Shog9

feels like it. Gotta be Friday somewhere by now

Mgetz

@TravisJ So Happy It's Tuesday

Magisch

20:05

on a side node: screw gastritis

it's like your stomach is angry at you

Travis J

I can't wait for teh weekend, going to vegas for a week

JohnP

@TravisJ Where are you staying?

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@Magisch I've got my pills for that shit ...

Travis J

@JohnP center strip

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Someday, I'll get together with the inclusion project's kickstarter, and people will listen to the both of us for once.

JohnP

20:06

@TravisJ So...Bellagio or Ceasars? Or across the street?

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@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog If you really want inclusion be inclusive 1st please!

JohnP

I'm usually a bit more towards the end, MGM/NYNY or Mandalay. Occasionally up at the Mirage.

Travis J

@Magisch My wife had gastritis. Bland meals, no acids or proteins, lots of pepto and zantac. Took like 2 years to get over it, with flare ups taking like 3-6 months of the bland meal diet.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@πάνταῥεῖ There's a reason I clung to this username instead of changing it every 30 days like I used to.

Travis J

@JohnP Not saying :P I keep a semi private online profile.

Mithrandir24601

20:08

@TravisJ ::shudders:: That sounds pretty horrible

JohnP

@TravisJ No worries. I get there about 4-6 times a year for martial arts tourneys, so I've stayed most of the places. Except Palms and Venetian. Haven't stayed at either one yet.

Somewhat Memorable Name

I'm really tempted to rename myself to "[Someone] the Exclusive [Something]"...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JohnP Venetian's good, I remember staying there in 2006

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@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog That doesn't tell me anything. I'm quite stable regarding that.

Travis J

@JohnP I haven't stayed at the palms, the venetian is nice but it is all suites.

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20:10

@SomewhatMemorableName @hey was just fine :-P

Travis J

@JohnP Vegas is a lot of fun though, so much to do. Are your tournaments at the MGM?

JohnP

@TravisJ Yeah, I am usually only there for a weekend, so don't need a suite. I'm either competing or gambling/eating. :p

@TravisJ No, usually they are at off strip hotels/locations. It's cheaper. Our spring nationals is always over at the convention center though.

Somewhat Memorable Name

@πάνταῥεῖ "Hey the Exclusive Greeting" :O

Travis J

I mean, it's vegas, you gotta gamble at some point. I like the fancy slot machines that are movie based and the no limit holdem tables (mgm and PH have the best imo)

Somewhat Memorable Name

(okay, what am I doing right now, still awake at 3am...)

JohnP

20:12

@TravisJ I don't do well at NL tables, I'm much more a limit player. I like craps and roulette, never really got into slots. They are not nice to me.

Travis J

@Mithrandir24601 Yeah, it looked pretty rough. I wouldn't want to go through it, I like eating whatever I feel like (for the most part).

Taryn

@TravisJ I was just there for Memorial Day. It will be much hotter for you now

Travis J

@Taryn 106-ish :(

Taryn

@TravisJ still cooler than here in Phoenix

Travis J

@JohnP Really? I can't play limit at all. I get slow boiled into losing chips, whereas with NL I can kind of snipe my way in and out of positions.

JohnP

20:14

@TravisJ I'm not patient enough to hit my big hands hard. Limit protects me from my folly.

Travis J

Roulette is a lot of fun, but it is kind of hard to win. Breaking even is kind of easy, but the strategy for breaking even means you never really win much.

JohnP

@Taryn Yes. It's 108 where I am today :(

Taryn

we're in the gross time of year

Travis J

@JohnP hah! Yeah, total opposite. I'm patient enough to push the big hands, but can't manage to get anything out of the normal ones.

@Taryn The last time I went to vegas in summer it was 117, and my friend's shoes literally melted.

JohnP

@TravisJ I play more hands than I should, I know this. Killer in NL play. Although perversely, I do well in tourneys.

Taryn

20:16

@TravisJ we were lucky and had the mid 80s at the end of May. It wasn't bad at all

Travis J

Oh, yeah, that is really nice. Scheduling didn't let us get there until July :( at least we get to see the fireworks on the 4th though

@JohnP I only tried one tourney, usually I don't have the time for them if I am in a group though

Taryn

@TravisJ that will be cool to see

JohnP

@TravisJ We are lucky enough to have a really good couple of cardrooms in Phx at the Indian casinos. One of them has very regular tournaments, usually at least 120+. More for the bigger weekend events.

Travis J

@JohnP Oh, nice. There is a local casino where I am in California, but the poker there is pretty weak. Usually only one table, or if there is two then they still usually wont have all 10 seats filled on either.

JohnP

@TravisJ Casino AZ poker room usually has 1 table of 8-16, a couple omaha, 2-4 tables of 4/8 and 3/6, couple 20-40 games, about 5-10 of spread limit (1-500, essentially NL), and some high games (40/80 mix and up). It's pretty strong, the other "big" cardroom usually only gets about 6 tables going.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

20:21

@TravisJ 3-to-2 blackjack?

(FYI I don't, neither have I ever, gambled)

JohnP

Oh, but they are going to be getting live craps/roulette here. (One of the parents at the studio where I train is a floor manager at a casino here).

Travis J

@JohnP Nice, the digital ones just aren't the same.

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I don't know what 3-to-2 blackjack is? They have some blackjack tables though, its more popular than poker

Easy to spend a few minutes on blackjack, poker tends to take hours

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@TravisJ Means that you win the full $3 for every $2 you bet in case of a perfect win. Most casinos have switched over to a much worse (for gamblers) 6-to-5.

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@TravisJ Or even a lifetime :3

JohnP

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Most (if not all) Vegas casinos are all 6-5 now. Good reason to almost always take the even money on a dealer A vs your blackjack. Not worth it to push.

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20:49

As far I can see you didn't earn that rep bonus at any site you're participating. Your feature request sounds just weird regarding that little of background knowledge at all — πάντα ῥεῖ 1 min ago

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

21:05

With regards to the above comment, I suggest reading the third section of the answer to meta.stackexchange.com/questions/44188/… — Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog 23 secs ago

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Seen that

That FR is doomed anyways ...

bjb568

21:41

There's no point in having an ETag if you use version noncing on static resource urls, right?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

21:59

cv-pls specific site: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/311744/…

bjb568

23:22

I reposted my SO question as a node issue.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

23:57

Are replies to contact requests actually read and responded to, or should I submit a new ticket? (At least one site I've used requires me to submit a new ticket for every email.)

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