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Sonic Wizard

00:13

@bro Is there an SEDE query for viewing my comments in order of upvotes?

@JourneymanGeek Was my bounty useful?

user315433

00:25

> The internet’s largest coding forum told users Thursday to start deleting “unkind comments” to make the community more inclusive for black people and women. Daily Caller

user315433

Blog post made into a news story.

user315433

Still waiting for NY Times editorial on the subject.

Journeyman Geek

@SonicWizard where?

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ triggered. More seriously? Eh I need to work on that

user202362

my life is great - writing more emails, chasing after more people

user202362

"chasing after you"

user202362

00:32

because I need information/them to agree on things

user202362

harassing them until they diverge the information I seek and agree to let me reach my goal

Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek Here: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309507/…

Why aren't question owners notified when others put a bounty on their question?

Journeyman Geek

Well i am vaguely at work

Well. It's useful if it gets feedback. Keeps it from being closed.... There's value I guess?

Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek If someone flags for a moderator to clear the bounty so it can be closed?

Nog Shine

@SonicWizard Yes, mods can close questions with bounty.

user315433

00:46

@SonicWizard Top comments

user315433

Robert Harvey is on a tweeting spree in @StackOverflow mentions.

hichris123

01:00

Hmm, should stackoverflow.com/questions/27381768/… be reopened? It's really just asking the equivalent of "How can I do this with the Google Maps API".

user202362

that one legit question with one legit answer, not sure why it's closed to start with

Sonic Wizard

01:13

@NogShine No, they can't. Technically, they can, but they have to clear (remove) the bounty first. That's technically not closing a question with a bounty.

Nog Shine

@SonicWizard Well, I mean the same. Closing a question which has a bounty on it. They can close it after removing the bounty.

Sonic Wizard

But the question doesn't have a bounty on it when they actually close it.

Nog Shine

Yup.

They remove it first.

Sonic Wizard

See the first three comments here:

70

Q: In modern webbrowsers is there any point in putting www infront of a url that uses it?

When going to www.facebook.com or www.cbc.ca is there any benefit or difference made by omitting the www? EDIT: so it could be a problem if www is omitted but not automatically added, could it ever be a problem if www is added but not required?

user202362

01:38

why do they always say " Stack Exchange's valued associate #00xyz", were there any Stack Exchange's unvalued associates?

Sonic Wizard

@TelKitty That indicates they were one of the first few people to be hired by Stack Exchange and were key to the founding of it

user315433

02:14

feeling unwelcome

42.5k 24 128 201

java python javascript maven regex google-app-engine multithreading

user315433

~~Formally~~ Formerly known as Jarrod Roberson

Nog Shine

@bro Should I changed my name on MSE to feeling welcomed given that MSE has a bad opinion compared to other metas? ;)

Journeyman Geek

04:15

\o/ top 50 in MSE

@bro wasn't he a dev?

actually I think every hire has that.

Nog Shine

@JourneymanGeek I am in top 800 \o/

Catija

I'm on page three... that's not too bad.

You know that MSE is a tiny site when other sites you've not been active on in a while but you have about the same rep on have hugely higher impact numbers.

Journeyman Geek

;p

@Catija Also, lower question volume but quite a lot of votes

hey

@JourneymanGeek top 508! \o/

Journeyman Geek

lol

I was keeping an eye out for the past few weeks

pretty sure there were 2 people above last time I checked

hey

04:30

Wow, I'm selectively biased to some users on SE...

Journeyman Geek

you should just have equal opportunity bias

hey

I guess it's still a good thing that my bias doesn't affect voting behavior, but...

user202362

hey

There are some users (not on MSE) whom I already gave up editing their posts to improve them

@TelKitty cat, chooks, unicorn... this is too perfect...

Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek Top of what?

Journeyman Geek

04:45

@SonicWizard all time

Sonic Wizard

And you're first in the yearly league if you exclude SE employees

Journeyman Geek

heh, #2 is good enough

Sonic Wizard

And in the all-time league, if you exclude users who are currently, or at any point have been, moderators on MSE, Mad Scientist is first, followed by @Shadow.

(Current employees, former employees, and those who were trilogy moderators back when trilogy mods were given moderator access to then-MSO)

Journeyman Geek

well, technically, SU mods could have been MSE mods, and were at one point

Sonic Wizard

Yeah, I've seen random participate a lot

animuson is in a special spot: he had mod privileges by being an SO mod, then lost them when MSO became MSE, and then regained them by becoming an SE employee.

Journeyman Geek

04:50

MSO was always special tho

but initially I think trilogy mods had mod powers too

Sonic Wizard

Isn't it true that the reason why trilogy mods were given moderator access to (then-MSO, now MSE) was because back when the entire SE network was just the trilogy sites, all three sites shared the same meta?

Journeyman Geek

vaguely

but that wasn't for very long

I THINK the reason we don't have mod powers is chat here is used for internal chat and... ya

Sonic Wizard

And isn't that why I see a lot of MSU questions migrated from today-MSE on July 22, 2010? Is that when the system of per-site metas was put in place?

@JourneymanGeek In the original posts from the split, they said they would appoint mods here "eventually". That never happened.

Journeyman Geek

as with certain things

tbh, MSE needs very little moderation of that sort

SmokeDetector

05:45

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in answer, username similar to website in answer: Forgot alternative password for encrypted & fingerprint-protected Samsung Galaxy S5: how to reset it? by Fix Guruji on android.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer: Samsung Android email app vs gmail caching by Emma L on android.SE

SmokeDetector

06:01

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: How to remove 'connection to xx.xxx.xx.xxx closed' message? by Ellen Evans on superuser.com

Shadow Wizard

06:13

@SmokeDetector poof

NobodyNada

@ShadowWizard It's been almost 15 minutes since that was posted

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek yeah better not reveal all the dirty secrets to all SE mods... ;)

Journeyman Geek

;p

Shadow Wizard

@NobodyNada I know, just love poofing. :D

@JourneymanGeek right, but I also like #1

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I wouldn't be shocked if it was amazingly boring.

Shadow Wizard

06:15

@JourneymanGeek probably full with social interaction.... O_o ;)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard no use worrying over it. I'm not competing with anyone but myself ;)

I go "hey, I want to hit this score" or "I want to get to this place" or "I want to beat JohnT" ...

but but

at the end of the day, if I take this too seriously and am completitive, it stops being fun ;)

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek hahaha, well, I was referring to other numbers, taking your message out of context, didn't look for the actual context yet. :P

Journeyman Geek

lol

@ShadowWizard I'm #2 for the year behind shog ;p

Shadow Wizard

ewwww that's gross!! Even for me!!!! :P

Journeyman Geek

and I'm finally on the first page of MSE users.

Sonic Wizard

06:19

@JourneymanGeek Out of curiosity, have you listened to ABBA during their heyday?

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek huh? No, @TimStone is the last on the first page, with 51.5k rep.

Journeyman Geek

o0

Shadow Wizard

oh, what sort you mean? Editors? checking

Journeyman Geek

tim is #36

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek right. And each page has 36 users, so...

Nog Shine

06:24

@ShadowWizard I am on page 22

Shadow Wizard

@NogShine good!

Still wondering what @Journeyman meant by " finally on the first page of MSE users"?

Journeyman Geek

each page has 50

stackexchange.com/leagues/4/alltime/meta

(or 30 or 15. I'll gloat when we come to that ;p)

Nog Shine

@JourneymanGeek Oh! you are looking at leagues!!

Journeyman Geek

yes!

SORRY! I ASSUMED YOU PEOPLE WOULD KNOW WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT

3

Nog Shine

I am talking about meta.stackexchange.com/users?tab=Reputation&filter=all

User's page.

Only 36 accounts are shown on user's page

Journeyman Geek

06:37

ah

ya

lol

That's next? ;p

6-8 ~~weeks~~ months?

Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek That is just so typically me

(in real life, or rather the real life of Britney Spears)

A test message with a line
break

Journeyman Geek

well, people also assumed I knew what I was talking about. And possiblly I knew what they were talking about

Nog Shine

I understood that you were talking about top users page. But the misunderstanding came when you said 50 are shown.

Journeyman Geek

yup

I coulda communicated that better

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek ohh.... you mean leagues, thought you meant only the users page.

@NogShine you're hereby declared as my Shadow Voice!

:P

Nog Shine

06:48

@ShadowWizard I am Shog's friend. Always his friend.

:P

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, I meant leagues

Nog Shine

hey

@JourneymanGeek don't worry, I know what you're talking about ;p

that's why I'm in top 508 ;p

Shadow Wizard

@NogShine Shog's Friend and Shadow's Voice then. ;)

hey

(aka. I won't calculate manually my rank from users page)

user202362

06:54

@hey there is also a cluster of monsters at right, so lacking dogs to defend the tiny unicorn ...

Princess Luna

@NogShine <insert lord of the rings reference here>

Journeyman Geek

@PrincessLuna twitch

Princess Luna

@JourneymanGeek .tv? :p

Journeyman Geek

no

Shadow Wizard

sd 2 poof

:/

sd poof poof

huh

NobodyNada

07:00

@ShadowWizard "2poof" without a space

Shadow Wizard

duh!

Princess Luna

@ShadowWizard :p

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard Mad Shadow

TheLittleNaruto

07:19

Yo @JourneymanGeek

Long time no see :P

Shadow Wizard

lol

Journeyman Geek

Well, I've been here

TheLittleNaruto

Glad to know

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek and not there?

TheLittleNaruto

He is not on SO afair

checking Journey network profile

Shadow Wizard

07:29

affair, Russia

9 1

asp.net-mvc-5 facebook node.js node-modules npm owin

Journeyman Geek

lol

I don't hang out on SO, no

SmokeDetector

07:48

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Why does hotel price change with more occupants? by Alice Melnyk on travel.SE

hey

sd f

Princess Luna

@ShadowWizard XD

TheLittleNaruto

08:19

@ShadowWizard lol

hey

@ShadowWizard 🤣

SmokeDetector

08:35

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer, repeated URL at end of long post, blacklisted user: How to prevent weeds from growing? by Dz Sayed on gardening.SE

Shadow Wizard

@hey white square to you too!

sd k

Princess Luna

@ShadowWizard it's a laughing emoji

Shadow Wizard

@PrincessLuna good for you!

Princess Luna

@ShadowWizard I meant the white square

Shadow Wizard

I know ^

Princess Luna

08:44

lol

Sonic Wizard

-1

A: Were the changes to the time limits supposed to occur retroactively?

Area51 is not a collaborative process. It is run by Robert Cartaino. My first proposal 'dogecoin' passed definition but was shut down by Robert who decided he didn't like it. Everytime autonomous vehicles came close to completion, Robert would appear to shut down questions many of which were v...

This is madness. I can't believe Robert is getting away with changing the rules arbitrarily. That is how a tyrant behaves. We were close several times until Robert came on and closed questions. Eric actually deleted a question with 22 votes because Robert closed it in order to placate his shutting down questions. For the record there were 208 followers on our proposal! — SeanJ 14 mins ago

Petter Friberg

Stack Overflow Isn’t Very Welcoming. It’s Time for That to Change, well I guess this is the typical example:

This website says 'ask a question' not 'share your code'. If u dont know how to approach this problem plz leave your bad comments with u. I am not looking for that. U guys are very bad and unhelpful. — Tina Florijn 5 mins ago

Now... is it because of gender? or is it a problem of expectations, a trouble from SE side to communicate how question should be asked?

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard the emoji appear in pain. ;)

Princess Luna

XD

Sonic Wizard

@ShadowWizard emojipedia.org/rolling-on-the-floor-laughing

Tina, how do you expect from people to help you without see your code? — Mosh Feu 17 mins ago

It is very sad to witness that everyone is complaining about the code and affect my reputation by disliking this post. Nowhere in the conditions of this website is stated that I need to share my code. I just asked a simple question about a problem that I cannot solve. All I want to hear is way how I can approach this not your bad comments. This is very sadly — Tina Florijn 15 mins ago

"Nowhere in the conditions of this website is stated that I need to share my code."

@PetterFriberg Apparently it's a lack of communication of policy.

Petter Friberg

09:04

@SonicWizard ooh I know, I have seen them all, it's just a typical day by day issue, OP click the "Ask a question" (not reading all the FAQ etc), they get down voted and then that comment arrives (which explains the problem). Now with all the downvotes OP is already hurt (whether it's male, women, gay or whatever) and the mess starts!

@SonicWizard Exactly that's what I wanted to show, OP on first question does not have enough info (we are not forcing them enough info before asking question). Now since that is maybe a women (they may think that is a problem with minority group), but I can show same thing (with male avatar). We need to fix the "Ask Question" stuff

And here you go with OP think it's a minority group problem

and btw this is not me on the picture so don't judge — Tina Florijn 1 min ago

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: Is there a way to natively share screens in Windows 7? by Alexendra Dill on superuser.com

hey

09:21

@SonicWizard has the highest rep on Area 51 compared to other sites...

@PetterFriberg she lied though, there's an FB with exact name and photo...

Sonic Wizard

@hey Maybe the Facebook photo is also not her?

Petter Friberg

@hey I got no clue and actually I don't really care, I just wanted to show the problem, to make people think about the solution.

hey

@SonicWizard I doubt it

Petter Friberg

because as it is, it is a problem for both active users and OP.

now related to question I'm not javascript dev, but I'm not so sure that the question actually needed code, it just need to be clear what OP actually wanted, the close reason according to me is wrong, but I think this is another beast

hey

@PetterFriberg I don't really care either, but playing a victim card won't make the situation better either.

Petter Friberg

09:32

@hey "Playing" you are assuming again, OP feels what they feel, to me the problem is the darn "Ask question", push and post... but yeah that's just my hidden agenda to try and convince you about this.

Exact same question, with Chuck Norris as avatar to me would have had exact same outcome... I can't prove that, but I guess I can find similar example with male avatar.

hey

I know and I also agree SO has many problems. It's even mentioned on the blog that it's SO's fault for not improving many things to make it friendlier for the new users in the first place.

Until then, there are only miscommunications/misexpectation/whatever between new users and the communities themselves

There's a conversation with Shog that might give some insight, starting from

14 hours ago, by Shog9

Don't answer dups. Edit everything else that you answer. The notion that you shouldn't answer even when you can because the question is crap ignores the primary advantage of SO over traditional forums: editing.

SmokeDetector

09:47

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, +2 more: What are the substances contained in the Bone + Oak Forskolin? by Domis 19 on drupal.SE

SmokeDetector

10:15

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Use of fallback function for ICO fund collection by Carl Sandoval on ethereum.SE

SmokeDetector

11:14

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Which SSL certificate should I purchase for a website with one sub-domain? by TheSSLstore on security.SE

Shadow Wizard

sd k

Spammers can't be educated to not spam, @Glorfindel

user202362

11:32

as long as:

user202362

Shadow Wizard

@TelKitty which is who? ;)

//give TelKitty waffle

:(

Glorfindel

@ShadowWizard I'm not sure on this one. The content of this post was taken from Quora, but a highly scoring post posted by an employee of that company. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt - for now.

user202362

@ShadowWizard good exercise for you to find out in the next few days ;) ... now I have to go back to finish reading a letter and some reports

Shadow Wizard

stealing @TelKitty's letter and reports so she can stay here

user359686

11:45

gives waffle to TelKitty

Princess Luna

@sha ^

@ShadowWizard XD

Shadow Wizard

//give @D‮erpy cupcake

user359686

gives cupcake to @Derpy

Princess Luna

12:02

:3

user202362

//give @shadow paper

user359686

gives paper to @shadow

Shadow Wizard

//cut paper

user359686

@ShadowWizard Maybe you should consider looking up the manual

Princess Luna

//learn cut cuts %s

user359686

12:10

@PrincessLuna Learned.

Princess Luna

@ShadowWizard try again maybe? :3

Shadow Wizard

//learn cut cutting @\un's %s

user359686

@ShadowWizard Learned.

Shadow Wizard

//*cut* paper

user359686

@ShadowWizard Maybe you should consider looking up the manual

user359686

12:10

cutting @Shadow Wizard's paper

Shadow Wizard

huh

Princess Luna

Huh??

Shadow Wizard

lol

bows

user202362

//*cut* cake

user359686

cutting @TelKitty's cake

Princess Luna

12:12

//*cut* paper

user359686

cutting @Princess Luna's paper

user202362

//*cut* @shadow paper

user359686

cutting @TelKitty's @shadow paper

Princess Luna

I thought there was more cache poisoning there ^^'

Shadow Wizard

no cache

//cut something

user359686

12:13

cuts something

Shadow Wizard

"*" is considered just another character...

So *cut* and cut are totally different commands, from the bot's view. ;)

user202362

//learn eat ate @\un's %s

user359686

@TelKitty Learned.

Shadow Wizard

//eat cake

user359686

ate @Shadow Wizard's cake

user202362

12:14

//eat cupcake

user359686

ate @TelKitty's cupcake

Shadow Wizard

Is this cross room? Let's see...

yup

in Shadow's Den, 19 secs ago, by Princess Celestia

ate @Shadow Wizard's something

user202362

//learn steal steals @SmokeDetector's %s

user359686

@TelKitty Learned.

user202362

//steal cupcake

user359686

12:15

@TelKitty Maybe you should consider looking up the manual

Shadow Wizard

lol

user359686

steals @SmokeDetector's cupcake

Shadow Wizard

//ping Tel

user359686

pings @Tel

Shadow Wizard

//tagify status-declined

user359686

12:17

@ShadowWizard Maybe you should consider looking up the manual

user359686

status-declined

Princess Luna

//statusify declined

user359686

@PrincessLuna Maybe you should consider looking up the manual

Princess Luna

@ShadowWizard not just that

Shadow Wizard

@PrincessLuna cross domain?

Princess Luna

12:19

Yep

in Alisha's playground on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 22 secs ago, by Alisha

ate @Zoe's cupcake

Shadow Wizard

//status

user359686

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Message status
Username:                     - Message count
Shadow Wizard (152859)        - 793
πάντα ῥεῖ (186472)            - 723
Sonic Wizard (377214)         - 540
bro (315433)                  - 535
Journeyman Geek (135565)      - 488
hey (241919)                  - 457
rene (158100)                 - 340
Yvette Colomb (310756)        - 258
SmokeDetector (266345)        - 256

Shadow Wizard

//alive?

user359686

@ShadowWizard Maybe you should consider looking up the manual

Shadow Wizard

//whois 280934

user359686

12:30

@ShadowWizard M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ (UID 280934)

Journeyman Geek

12:43

Hah. I am not the chattiest here

Shadow Wizard

of course you're not!

feature-request make a ping leaderboard! @Princess ;)

Princess Luna

For who gets pinged the most? xD

Shadow Wizard

@PrincessLuna no! Who pings the most!

Princess Luna

sha k

Shadow Wizard

yay!

Princess Luna

12:50

I'll append it to //status as //status pings. //status (\\d) gets a specific room

toIntOrNull should be a good check

Shadow Wizard

Sounds promising!

//help status

user359686

Built in command. `//status`: Shows the leading chatters
No help was supplied for this command
Known aliases: leaderboard
Rank required: 1 (WARNING: Undefined in code. Actual rank may differ from listed) (your rank: 8)

Shadow Wizard

//promote 135565 5

user359686

@ShadowWizard You can't promote other users to the same or higher rank as yourself

user359686

@ShadowWizard Rank for the user has successfully been updated

Petter Friberg

13:07

@ShadowWizard that user have rep specially if they delete the question ;), Im not replying in comment thread since already to much chatter in that.

Princess Luna

@PrincessCelestia /shrug

Shadow Wizard

@PetterFriberg yeah, one upvote will also be enough. But as it stands, you gave the advice to user with 2 rep, so...

//whois PetterFriberg

:(

user202362

13:22

//whois 3

user202362

?

user202362

//whois 155160

user202362

:( ... only works on those who are active

Shadow Wizard

@TelKitty only works when the bot is up and running. :)

(and not "active", the bot will index anyone who ever posted something while bot is online)

i.e. anyone in its //status list

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Questions from an organic lawn care beginner by Dz Sayed on gardening.SE

Shadow Wizard

13:27

sd k

hey

Hhh... I hate myself... since that blog article, I don't have any enthusiast to moderate any sites...

Shadow Wizard

@hey don't hate yourself, it only means you're human. :)

(not Normal though ;))

plz-delete Payment meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309643/payment-integration @Bart @rene @JourneymanGeek @TravisJ

user202362

I, on the other hand, have too many different tech problems, too many scheming and too many misc problems to worry about and no brain power left for anything else at the moment.

Shadow Wizard

13:42

Charge your batteries, @Tel. :)

user202362

battery is one of the problems I need to solve - literally, I am actually thinking of building own batteries or rebuild an adapter with different connector and longer wires

user202362

but that's pretty low on the priority list

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: Which SSL certificate should I purchase for a website with one sub-domain? by TheSSLstore on security.SE

Shadow Wizard

@TelKitty you try to upgrade your body? That's awesome!

Nog Shine

14:00

@enderland and there are 9 of them. — Shadow Wizard 3 mins ago

Don't forget there is a friend too. :P

Shadow Wizard

yup ^

Shog & Friends

Good for TV show title.

SmokeDetector

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Feeds

The Python environmental protection agency wants to seal it in a cement chamber, with pictoral messages to future civilizations warning them about the danger of using sudo to install random Python packages.

SmokeDetector

14:32

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Find out the identity of the person that called you by Frank Clark on security.SE

user202362

@ShadowWizard I am not upgrade my body, just reading the latest 74 pages State Environmental Planning Policy, probably have to read hundred of pages on how to get approval for pharmaceutical goods that already got FDA approval sometime this week. Have to coordinate inspection because road work. Have to find out info because the branch where my tiny company's account is held has collapsed (just the branch not the bank so $ is safe). Then there is a whole list on lower priority issues.

hey

@TelKitty how's your cough?

Shadow Wizard

14:50

@TelKitty oh my... regarding bank branches, in Israel many are closed in favor of virtual/online banking.

@hey how's your cold? :)

hey

15:08

@ShadowWizard fine, but now a little sore throat ~_~

Shadow Wizard

@hey ouch. Have some tea then!

!!/tea hey

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard brews a cup of lemon tea for @hey

Shadow Wizard

And don't shout! @hey

hey

旦_(^^ ) THANKS!

Shadow Wizard

hey! I said no shouting!

taking tea away

!!/untea hey

SmokeDetector

15:12

@ShadowWizard No such command 'untea'.

Shadow Wizard

!!/undo tea hey

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard No such command 'undo'.

Shadow Wizard

lol

rene

@ShadowWizard self deleted

Shadow Wizard

@rene oh my. So rare...

!!/icecream rene

SmokeDetector

15:23

@ShadowWizard No such command 'icecream'.

hey

!!/i scream rene

SmokeDetector

@hey No such command 'i scream'.

Shadow Wizard

@rene BTW, Kenny died again...

rene

Servy left a comment here as response on my earlier comment. I have a hard time to decipher what his message entails. Does it try to correct my (blunt) statement? Does it adds another point of view? Does it extend on my comment? Or is it just as always his elitist way of telling me that I don't understand what this is all about?

The latter is most often the case so I wouldn't be surprised if it is just that.

Shadow Wizard

@Servy is sometimes... hard to follow/understand, yeah.

oh, he means the blog post means we can't tell people they are wrong anymore because it will hurt their feeling. @rene

Which is correct. And the first steps of a major, bad, change.

rene

15:32

@ShadowWizard OK

Shadow Wizard

People are now afraid to tell users they're wrong, that's most likely what Servy means.

rene

@ShadowWizard yeah, if that is the outcome, sure

@ShadowWizard true

hey

And I'll once again comment like "This is not an answer and thus will be deleted 😁"

rene

at least I left one comment that has the approval of Servy. My life is complete.

user315433

> a lot of devs feel like Stack Overflow is an intimidating, unwelcoming place. We know because they tell us.

user315433

15:35

Q: Why are you not participating on SO?
A1: I once asked a question, but it was an offtopic tool request, so they correctly shut it down.
A2: Because the users there are so mean.

user315433

I suspect "they tell us" involves a fair bit of A2 being passed for A1

Shadow Wizard

Yeah, it's like students will feel intimidated and unwelcome by the teachers when they get low grades in tests.

"I failed this test because I'm a female, now fire the teacher!"

user5389107

@ShadowWizard This has actually been a topic at universities and in some instances failing grades were raised to passing grades depending on external factors

Shadow Wizard

Fact is, those things can't be proved, not until there will be real mind reading.

user5389107

For instance, when some students joined protests and participated in certain forms of social activism that left them little time to tend to their studies, demands were made and met by university officials that the grading system be relaxed to avoid a hostile campus atmosphere

Shadow Wizard

15:40

And with tests it's easier to prove the teacher gave bad score because, well, the student gave wrong answers.

user5389107

@ShadowWizard According to fellows at oxford objective science itself is a sexist construct: academic.oup.com/spp/article-abstract/12/6/308/1619782

This is what causes this debate to become so explosive and vitriol filled - neither side can even agree on a set of definitions and premises

hey

I like this comment :)

That interesting blog is becoming a tool for some people to defend poor quality question/answer. Like here here. Maybe some day asking whatever question should be welcomed ;)... — liliscent 10 hours ago

I guess I should add meta.stackoverflow.com to firewall blacklist for a while...

user315433

15:57

> It makes me sad when someone get downvoted for posting a duplicate.

user315433

I happen to know a remedy for that: read and answer SO questions for a few months. After seeing N of these duplicates, you won't be so sad about them being downvoted.

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Nog Shine

16:12

Isn't there a question about how to change user name on Area 51?

hey

Surprisingly, no?

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