Tavern on the Meta

tchrist

00:08

@SmokeDetector Yes well, let's see whether we can't talk him into posting the content there instead.

Pillar

02:21

I offered this bounty and it's about to expire. There are two answers there that are completely unhelpful but one of them has the minimum criteria required to be auto asssigned the bounty. I don't want that to happen. Can I do anything about that?

Andrew T.

@Pillar I downvoted it since I agree that it's not that helpful.

Pillar

@AndrewT. Thanks. I guess drawing attention to it would be the way to go, but wouldn't make for much of a meta "question", would it?

Journeyman Geek

02:48

@Pillar tactical dving roughly all you can do. Also it's worth thinking of bounties as paying for advertising over answers. :p

Catija

@Pillar You can always upvote one of the questions sitting around asking for the ability to specifically not award a bounty.

Journeyman Geek

Someone did that to me on meta, entirely cause op wanted an answer from SE staff :(

Pillar

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I don't mind dishing out, but not to authors of poor answers

@Catija You mean like a feature request? I'll go look for them

Catija

120

Q: Explicit "do not award bounty" button

Shouldn't there be a way to prevent automatic awarding of a bounty? For example, if someone provides an answer that sounds good but is totally wrong, it may happen that it gets a score of +2, but doesn't deserve the bounty. If no one else answers, half the bounty will automatically go to this per...

Journeyman Geek

@Pillar ya, I grok that.

Pillar

02:51

@Catija "status-declined"...damn

Catija

Yeah. Sorry. I forgot that they'd responded to it... but it's a very popular request, sadly.

Pillar

Couldn't understand why those answers were upvoted...maybe people are more liberal with their votes on bounty questions

Catija

Or they're socks.

TheLittleNaruto

03:51

Yo o/

@Oded I had a small talk with you. But during that talk you were very nice. Good luck for your future endeavors :)

user202362

04:26

is there any open source chat bot that I can copy & alter from?

Andrew T.

04:40

github.com/Microsoft/BotFramework-Samples/tree/master/… ?

user202362

JS + C#, looks doable ...

user202362

I wonder how many newbies pronounce C# as 'C hash' >_<

TheLittleNaruto

05:01

No one

Feeds

Your problem is so terrible, I worry that, if I help you, I risk drawing the attention of whatever god of technology inflicted it on you.

Andrew T.

@Feeds no tech support scammer for you?

TheLittleNaruto

@Telkitty Is it another place picture in your avatar ?

user202362

05:19

I am glad someone asked my avatar - isn't this hot model I have downloaded off the internet really sexy? </Trollololo>

TheLittleNaruto

dafuq! A model ?

Lemme zoom in

Journeyman Geek

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TheLittleNaruto

I thought it's some tower decorated with lights.

user202362

:D

Journeyman Geek

@alexolut Just because you could, and there's no explicit rule against it, dosen't mean its a good idea

Unihedron

06:21

what is the markup for the language to be syntax highlighted in code blocks?

Magisch

@Telkitty Teach me your secrets to getting left alone by spammers

TheLittleNaruto

@Unihedron Where ? on GitHub ?

Unihedron

on stack exchange posts

it's easy on github, not so easy in stackmarkdown

Journeyman Geek

@Unihedron IIRC SO and a few other sites base it off... tags?

TheLittleNaruto

start and end with backward single quote (`)

Unihedron

06:26

@JourneymanGeek there's a  thing right?

and apparently my code is not highlighted despite the right tags anyway

user202362

@Magisch make someone to steal your old domain, then be forced to get a new domain name and associated email address - spammers can not spam email addresses they don't know about ...

TheLittleNaruto

@Unihedron Naah!

Andrew T.

I think it's mentioned on the extended formatting help

Unihedron

I just wrote a post after, like, hiatus that is as long as forever and I'm already getting annoyed by the UI

Journeyman Geek

@Unihedron meta.stackexchange.com/questions/184108/…

Unihedron

06:27

@TheLittleNaruto yes there is

Journeyman Geek

@Unihedron I er... don't use SO

Unihedron

@JourneymanGeek splendid!

@JourneymanGeek me neither, this is on codegolf

Journeyman Geek

@Unihedron same difference? ;p

Right now my active sites are SU (natch),MSE and... pets

Unihedron

language-all: lang-* worked!

Andrew T.

@Unihedron anyway, welcome back?

Unihedron

06:29

think my problem was I was doing name instead of lang-name

Journeyman Geek

ahh

Unihedron

@AndrewT. thanks see you in winterbash

wait let me update my gravatar

Andrew T.

:D

anyway, avatar in chat room is cached (as always...), so it won't be updated instantly (in case you're wondering)

Unihedron

yeah I'm aware

awk is fun btw

I pretend that I know bash by doing everything in awk

rene

07:24

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Travis J

07:38

can't wait for HATS

user202362

Chat to cat about hat

Travis J

Was told to chat to hat as it contained cat

Did you see any bears?

rene

07:54

!!/hats

???

no more fun

Travis J

Just had the most random error in Visual Studio. Like, what?! Stack Overflow to teh rescue though... love this place.

rene

random error ... sure ... sure ... ;)

Travis J

cereally!

> The 'Microsoft.VisualStudio.Editor.Implementation.EditorPackage' package did not load correctly.

rene

08:10

oh, you just lost the editor .. LOL

as if you would ever need that one ...

Travis J

Yeah, well, mostly I code on glass windows with wax pens but I finally decide to try and use Visual Studio and this happens

rene

delv-pls 20K fft meta.stackexchange.com/questions/302902/… /cc @JourneymanGeek @Bart @sha @TravisJ

Shadow Wizard

@rene was the first to del-vote...

user202362

I have a great idea for a plugin for visual studio - whenever you get an error in visual studio, the little software goes on searching and returns with 'there are XXX people having the same problem, read what they say on stackoverflow'

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 now that you removed the Team page with list of employees, think it's better to also remove this from the API, no? I agree it's not good idea to let people see the list shrink, i.e. agree with the team's decision to make the employee list private. If people will want to know who works for SE, there are better platforms to find it, e.g. LinkedIn.

rene

08:15

I'm pretty sure that plugin exists ... problem is it causes VS to be 90% of its time busy searching on SO.

Travis J

System was like... switch (new Random().Next(0,5)){ case 1: BreakEditor(); break; case 2: BreakExtensions(); break; case 3: break; case 4: BreakRandom(); break; case 5: break; default: JumpToSwitch();}

rene

I thought that randomness was a COM design feature ...

Travis J

Verbatim. I swear. Every other word in Visual Studio's source code is break.

user202362

@rene said plugin need to improve on it's thread usage

Travis J

You can never have too much randomness.

Team page is gone? Maybe they are prepping for another round of investment :D

Shadow Wizard

08:21

@TravisJ yeah, I noticed when @Journeyman edited this. Probably removed when the list was reduced by 20%. :/

Travis J

Ouch :(

Shadow Wizard

Yup

I do wonder how they chose who goes and who stays. Probably not random.

And maybe too early to discuss this...

Travis J

I would assume a mix of seniority and direction.

Shadow Wizard

and cost

Each probably got a personal contract with different salary.

user202362

let's not opening a can of worms

Travis J

08:24

did you see bears in Canada?

Shadow Wizard

Sep 24 at 6:08, by Telkitty

still no visiting from any bear ... :'(

Travis J

Bummer.

I got to be in the training cage for a Gorilla a few weeks ago, that was interesting

user202362

I get to train the feral rabbit in the backyard

Travis J

lol

Andrew T.

too late

Travis J

08:27

ooh, gummy, how did you know

is the rabbit wascially? or just kind of aloof?

rene

I'm going to resist .. oh forget it ...

Shadow Wizard

@AndrewT. heh, my son once got a bad stomach after eating those, probably by chance, but he decided it'was due to the gummy stuff.... ever since he won't touch it again. Think it's for the best, it's not really healthy food. :D

Travis J

OMG have you ever read the epic amazon sugarfree gummy bear story?

Shadow Wizard

Nope

Travis J

let me find the best one

Shadow Wizard

08:30

Best gummy bears I've seen are here: youtube.com/watch?v=F57P9C4SAW4 ;) (not oneboxing that!)

Travis J

RE: Haribo Sugarfree Gummy Bears This is your Captain speaking: Do not eat the red Gummy Bear. You'll be sorry.

Andrew T.

red gummy, blue gummy

Shadow Wizard

lol

sd k

that's 100% spam

@TravisJ priceless, never heard of these!

Travis J

I know right, oh man, these people must have gone through hell

Andrew T.

On the other hand, I ate this.... fish snack, which probably has expired for whoever knows

and I feel like a dead fish on the next day

Shadow Wizard

08:36

@AndrewT. ouch.... so why did you eat it??

Andrew T.

because there's no expiry date >_>

Shadow Wizard

I always check expiry date when buying and before eating.

If no expiry date I assume it expired. :D

Travis J

lol

Shadow Wizard

Also always smell the food before eating/drinking, even with valid expiry date, you can never know. Especially with milk/cheese stuff.

Andrew T.

that's also the problem... it stinks like a fish, whether it's fresh or expired :/

Shadow Wizard

08:38

That said, some products can live much longer than their expiry date. :)

@AndrewT. rofl!

So question is, why eating something that stinks??

Travis J

Still trying to grok the cod fish snack idea.. are these people masochists?

Andrew T.

the smell is not really a problem... at that time... now I'm a bit traumatic with this snack :/

Travis J

Hate to ask...

What did you replace them with as snack food?

Andrew T.

ummm... potato chips?

Shadow Wizard

That's a good snack:

@Oded probably knows it. ;)

And @Mithrandir

Travis J

08:41

Bugles!

Andrew T.

looks like corn snacks

Travis J

I have been trying to avoid eating too much saturated fat lately, it has been awful.

Bugles kind of taste like puffed doritos.

Andrew T.

!!/report anime.stackexchange.com/a/43165/2516

Mithrandir

08:57

@ShadowWizard yum

@ShadowWizard i've had milk a week after the expiry date

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir yeah I buy the 5x25 pack, then give the kids every Friday so I can have one too. ;-)

@Mithrandir very risky IMO

One should not mess with milk

:)

Mithrandir

it was perfectly fine

Shadow Wizard

@AndrewT. indeed! Never knew it exists outside Israel but it does, as @Trav said.

Bugles

Bugles are a corn snack food originally from General Mills. == History == Bugles were developed by a food engineer, Joe Appelbaum, who also created Daisies. They have been available in the following flavors: Original, Nacho Cheese, Salt & Vinegar, Sour Cream & Onion, Ranch, Chile Cheese, Salsa, Smokin' BBQ, Churros, Southwest Ranch, Sweet and Salty Chocolate Peanut Butter, Sweet and Salty Caramel, Cheddar, Ketchup, Coriander, Hot Buffalo, Shrimp, Jalapeño Cheddar, and Hot & Spicy BBQ (Exclusively manufactured by Tom's). Bugles are so-named because of their "horn" or bugle shape. Bugles were test...

@Mithrandir same you can say after surviving any risky action. :)

John Dvorak

09:21

A bugle a day keeps Spiderman away

2

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard yeah, I didn't want to be too obvious about this

@AndrewT. maybe its so horrible even the mould won't eat it.

Travis J

o/

Mithrandir

\o

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I have some theories but eh. Idle speculation dosen't do anyone any good.

rene

09:37

@JourneymanGeek how are you today?

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek true. Might discuss it in some other room at some point, now is too soon I guess.

Journeyman Geek

@rene about the same. ;p

rene

Oh, take care of your self ...

Journeyman Geek

Though set up my server yesterday (yay!) and did the last story mission of wolfenstein ;p

rene

What is this: meta.stackexchange.com/a/302906/158100?

Journeyman Geek

09:41

@rene eh, did I say anything worryingly bad? ;p

rene

@JourneymanGeek you said you napped, that worries me, yes.

Journeyman Geek

@rene oh

sinus infection + pretty nasty dog-swat

in The Litter Box on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 20 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek

also, got clawed by ash, another dog kept getting in his face, and it got heated. I pulled him away just as he was about to pawswat the other dog. Its better but a wee bit swollen.

also, for a elderly, small terrier, he has quite a southpaw.

Andrew T.

@rene android emulator, NAA

or spam either way

on the official website, playing Mobile Legend on PC.... facepalm

Journeyman Geek

there's only three reasons to emulate android on PC...

development, playing shitty mobile game, or developing shitty mobile games ;p

rene

@JourneymanGeek don't, never, forget it?

Andrew T.

09:47

I tried using it for security sandbox while trying to defuse a malware app.

Journeyman Geek

@rene eh, maybe

I do hear horror stories about android studio

rene

@rene: "SE search is notoriously bad" would have been enough. — Matt ♦ 45 secs ago

all the love search gets ....

Journeyman Geek

@rene they did mention needing to fix that for channels...

(which better bloody work :( )

rene

yep

Andrew T.

@AndrewT. like this funny malware (Android.SE Q&A)

Travis J

10:03

I left, but didn't fully leave, but am leaving for now. Only came back to share this gem

@rahuldottech There are programming languages which support emojis in variable names etc., so this could be useful in commit summaries. (But I doubt anyone is actually writing stuff like 🚽.add(💩)) — FelixSFD 44 mins ago

I am only coding in emojis from now on.

g'night

John Dvorak

s/foo/💩/g - that makes far too much sense.

Andrew T.

boo. PyCharm warns found BAD_CHARACTER

Shadow Wizard

IMO that emoji is utterly wrong. Why on Earth will a turd be happy??? ;-)

@rene chat search sucks but I think site search is fine. No?

John Dvorak

The solution is to use HTC or Samsung

Andrew T.

10:23

github.com/danthareja/emojify

scrap it, it doesn't run >_>

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard well, preferring Google means it could have done better, to say the least

Shadow Wizard

@M.A.R. dunno. I find dupes all the time on MSE using the site search.

rene

@ShadowWizard I don't think there is much difference IMO...

Shadow Wizard

@rene do both use the same engine behind the scenes?

Andrew T.

I think SE search is good if you know what you want to search

rene

10:39

@ShadowWizard I expect them both to be in Elastic Search and I doubt that would be configured differently for chat or the site

Andrew T.

anyway, chat can't search URL?

Derpy

@AndrewT. newbie. You can do better. With a nice Visual Studio extension you can embed images into code

Why limit yourself to emoji when you can decorate your code with candy colored ponies?

rene

@AndrewT. it can chat.meta.stackexchange.com/… as long as you use whole words. It doesn't do partial matches.

Optimus Prime

11:14

\o

ctrl + clicked on a link on facebook. Chrome shows a popup blocked notification. wtf

rene

delv-pls 20K iphone meta.stackexchange.com/questions/302919/… /cc @Bart @ShadowWizard @JourneymanGeek

needs 1 more

Andrew T.

12:46

!!/report anime.stackexchange.com/a/43168/2516

Shadow Wizard

@rene another pearl of wisdom from same user need one more del vote... /cc @Trav @Journeyman

OP also got Peer Pressure badge so they deleted their crap themselves... Too bad we don't have Oded anymore to suspend such users and keep MSE clean. :(

Andrew T.

Shadow Wizard for moderator!~~~

Magisch

@ShadowWizard :(((

too soon

Shadow Wizard

13:04

@Magisch nah he is fine. Had a chat with him.

Magisch

13:15

Is anyone here good with writing a formal technical requirements booklet?

I have to do this and I wonder if having your data structure adhere to at least the 3rd normative database design form is considered a functional or nonfunctional requirement

Journeyman Geek

13:47

@ShadowWizard still feels too soon

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Tim Post

13:59

@6'whitemale Employees that were elected moderators have the option of retaining their diamond on their site as they depart (once a mod, always a mod, unless there's good reason to not reinstate a mod, but that's independent of former employee status). Pro-tem mods automatically lose their diamonds once an election happens unless they run in the election and win. So, we don't treat it any differently.

Magisch

Hey it's tim

Tim Post

WHERE? Oh wait

I am going to get work done today!

Journeyman Geek

@TimPost which kinda makes sense

(especially where a pretty good chunk of employees we actually talk to are ex mods)

or have been around from the dawn of time

Magisch

@TimPost You're timming with motivation today, I see it ;)

</incrediblybadpunomgwhy>

Tim Post

They'll take my diamond on Stack Overflow from my cold, RSI-affected hands.

Magisch

14:04

RSI is no joke though

Journeyman Geek

hah

Tim Post

Oh I know, I deal with it daily

Journeyman Geek

@TimPost something I am likely never to get, thankfully.

Magisch

@TimPost About that gist that normal human posted, I see y'all have now made your employee page private

So this isn't public data anymore. Does this mean any repercussions in terms of republishing that?

Journeyman Geek

(also, if I ever work for SE SO, I'd probably say the same about my SU diamond <3)

Magisch

14:05

I still hope that I may one day have one (a diamond somewhere)

Tim Post

@Magisch It's not something we need to be extraordinarily public about. The only valid concern that we'd need to address with folks is how comings and goings of people might affect things that folks care about, and we'll do that, but we don't need to maintain a public head count.

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch heh, I noticed that a few days back and kinda figured I'd just be quiet about it other than an edit or two.

@TimPost a tradition I'm going to miss a little nonetheless :(

Magisch

@TimPost no I mean like now that you made this info private will you go after people rehosting it?

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I can't ever remember a situation where SE's "gone after" someone. ._.

Magisch

Like, will you seek to get the gist removed from github?

Tim Post

14:08

@Magisch Well, you can republish any CC-BY data up to the last batch that you were able to get; we just won't be making it public any longer. Though, there will be blog posts when we create and fill key posts, and I'm sure something if someone high profile left the company.

Magisch

@TimPost Was the employee list ever CCBYSA data ?

Tim Post

@Magisch According to the footer, everything on the site is essentially CCBYSA.

Andrew T.

including rep!? :O

Journeyman Geek

@AndrewT. in theory, especially rep ;p

that's about the least secret thing on the site ._.

Tim Post

So it's better to just not publish it. To be honest, many here found the gist to be, well, not in the best of taste especially with the timing, but I don't know of any plans of us to ask beyond Jay's note to please not share lists publicly as far as badgering anyone might go.

Journeyman Geek

14:11

eh, yeah

@Magisch I do believe a polite request was made about that

Magisch

@TimPost Mhm. I'm not a lawyer but since that's PII you could probably make git take it down, no?

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch eh, or people forgot about it. Its not that easy to find no?

I mean, the main interest I had there was 1) It was people I may know (:( ) but most of those were mentioned elsewhere. 2) trying to figure out what's happening at SE (but tea leaves and potato entrails are roughly as useful until there's actual official stuff)

Magisch

Thankfully nobody that wrote one of the articles about it found that list

Journeyman Geek

eh, yeah

but I don't really think any one who would's enough of an insider?

You have to be pretty enthusiastic about the network to end up on chat.mse

Magisch

chat.mse is just the tavern and den, no?

more or less

Journeyman Geek

14:23

I'm only really on the tavern

user202362

@JourneymanGeek or you just like to chat ... about programming related issues

Journeyman Geek

@Telkitty eh, almost everything else ;)

Andrew T.

googling the title of the gist didn't return any result. I guess that's relieving (or, gist is not indexed?). If the content is copied by external parties, then we can't do anything though

and unrelated weird website sackoverflow.com

Shadow Wizard

Jan 29 '16 at 23:27, by Telkitty the Web Developer

Oo the name http://sackoverflow.com/ is taken

user202362

internet is amazing - remembers things that I have forgotten ...

Shadow Wizard

14:31

LOL

Andrew T.

there's also #sackoverflow hashtag for typo-writer

user202362

slackoverflow.com NOT TAKEN!!! BE QUICK!!!

Andrew T.

maybe smackoverflow.com too

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty umm... it is.

user202362

damn ...

Derpy

14:42

@Telkitty hatsoverflow.com is available

Magisch

smackoverflow.com is registered with namecheap and whoisguard protected

Nobody has registered knackoverflow.com yet

Shadow Wizard

> shadowoverflow.com is available!

Magisch

I wonder if stackoverfl.ow is still free

or superus.er

or askubun.tu

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy shocking

How about hatsexchange.com?

canon

@TimPost facebook login for SEDE

Andrew T.

14:54

@JourneymanGeek It took 4 times to read that correctly

Journeyman Geek

@AndrewT. :)

canon

dogsexchange.com?

talk about your furry friends

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek Do you have the domain journeyman.geek?

:p

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch no

Magisch

@JourneymanGeek you should get it then

canon

14:55

@Magisch even if he did, he'd have to get master.geek or artisan.geek to secure his progression.

Journeyman Geek

namecheap dosen't have a .geek tld listed :(

Magisch

noob.geek -> apprentice.geek -> journeyman.geek -> master.geek

canon

neckbeardcheetosfannypacklinuxsysadmin.geek

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch I own domains on 3 TLDs - journeymangeek.com, lupinenet.co.uk (for sentimental reasons) and lupinenet.com (for stuff I run for myself on the wider internet)

Tim Post

@Magisch Eh, the argument of is that even PII would not be one I'd want to have (in the US, or EU). My biggest fear is that list gets indexed and becomes awkward for someone that used to work here during a job interview a few years from now.

Journeyman Geek

14:59

also .geek's not a real TLD

Magisch

@TimPost You can find it on google, but only with very precise searching

canon

@JourneymanGeek That's because you don't believe.

Magisch

wow the title of the gist is a little tasteless

>_>

Journeyman Geek

ya.

Derpy

Journeyman Geek

15:02

@Derpy I'm not going to judge.

Tim Post

That we had a 20% reduction in staff is relevant and quite fair to report. The actual names as a head count? That's getting a bit sensational, doesn't really do anyone any good, and might turn out to be actively harmful down the road. But that's just how we feel about it; I don't want to draw even more attention to it by badgering anyone to take it down. Actually, that's all I have to say on it, really want to move past last week :)

Magisch

ok

I won't prod further either in respect of your wishes

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy whaaat? Not for me? :(

Andrew T.

2couth4u

Shadow Wizard

15:18

@AndrewT. exchanging hats?? hmm...

Shadow Wizard

16:14

@Glorfindel maybe better leave that bug report as answer too, to have better chance to draw Nick attention? Think you can safely undelete. :)

Santa Claus

@bjb568 hey you wouldn’t happen to be at a Model UN Conference today would you? I think there’s some kids from your school here

Shadow Wizard

@SantaClaus how you know kids from his school?

Santa Claus

@ShadowWizard he mentioned it (or at least it’s acronym) long ago

canon

16:49

Jesus, Smokey... relax.

rene

17:47

Not sure if anyone here is interested but there will be an SOCVR roommeeting in 15 minutes

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SmokeDetector

17:59

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How do I disable network printer discovery in Ubuntu 17.10? by Donald Trump on askubuntu.com

canon

18:42

weeeeeeeeee... Channels™. Did you guys stick with the bazillion-schema implementation?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: MySQL failover - Master to Master Replication by Forrest at Severalnines on dba.SE

SmokeDetector

19:31

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, link at end of answer: Is there a way to export list of Pandora songs that I have upvoted or downvoted? by Johnny Johnny Zerb on webapps.SE

Brian Nickel

@ShadowWizard I can't say that I have. I believe at the time, there was an issue with the stock Android refresh control where it would trigger on horizontal swipes (so Kasra copied the source and added thresholds) and I assumed that would fix it. Maybe refresh is still triggering too often or maybe the state isn't saving properly or at all.

alexolut

19:47

Folks, get ready for massive reaccept! ;)

Catija

Might be worth pinging a couple of the "in the know" CMs...

canon

oh, nice... latest mobile safari supports navigator.mediaDevices.getUserMedia()

alexolut

20:17

I hope everybody is happy now!

@rene sorry... but I accepted 3 your answers instead of 2, and you got extra 50% rep. So maybe you could upvote my post sometimes :)

rene

@alexolut if I find a good one I might do that ... thanks ;)

\o/ I'm way over 35K now. That gives me ... uhhh ... nothing?

Catija

@rene A small sense of superiority?

rene

@Catija No, I'm not that type of person. Sorry.

Catija

Why apologize?

Damn it @alexolut All of your accepts pushed Shog ahead of me in the quarterly MSE rep list ;)

alexolut

@rene all of my posts are good, especially downvoted :)

@Catija you need to post better answers!

rene

20:31

@alexolut I love the screenshots of SO.ru

@Catija I see I need to do better there ...

Catija

@rene I was honestly surprised to see that I've earned that much recently.

alexolut

@rene looks like I need to unaccept your answers again ... doing this I could drop you to 11 place and I will be in top 10 for quarter! ;)

@rene we calling it ruSO

canon

lol, someone voted to close What’s Happening With Channels? as off-topic for meta.SO. Which... I mean... is it?

rene

@alexolut I was struggling with it, thanks.

@alexolut I'm all in for tactical voting ...

Catija

@canon No. It's being implemented specifically as a spin-off of SO, not of SE generally. The initial drive will be to have it be part of the SO ecosystem, much like Jobs.

(based on what I've read... I don't have any insider information).

I mean... just read the first quoted paragraph and it should be pretty clear.

> a feature of Stack Overflow for organizations to have a private & secure space for their engineering teams to collaborate pretty much unrestricted and unstructured apart from public Q&A. Channels are for organizations both large and small and do not in any way affect public Q&A.

canon

20:43

"[...] and do not in any way affect public Q&A." So, OT for public Q&A? :P

Shog9

think, "How do I connect to the louisville sales office DB?"

- only folks in your org can answer

- only folks in your org need the answer

- answer very much shouldn't be known by folks outside your org

Catija

I sort of think it's interesting that it's being baked in to the SO site design... I know this is a problem that needed solving but why? It seems like something that unnecessarily limits the types of groups who could use Channels.

canon

20:59

@Shog9 Oh, I understand the concept... I was just joking about the close vote (apparently) bemoaning the categorization of Channels™ under the meta.SO umbrella.

Shog9

21:22

@Catija lotta work to build it into any design. Think: "top bar rollout". If/when it's made available elsewhere, it'll probably mean redesigning site nav in a pretty major way.

Catija

@Shog9 Really? Seems like you could have a default site design - the beta/default design but in a different color (or let the group pick the color they want from a palette) and with the logo of the group/company/whatever and add it to the site picker for people who have access to it?

Shog9

@Catija maybe. But I'm skeptical. Consider the example question I posted above

Something where you wanna be really clear that you're posting in a private area

And don't accidentally stumble onto the public site when posting your connection info or whatever

Need something more than a little "private chan" radiobutton

Catija

You don't think a site logo matching your company and a color matching nothing seen elsewhere on SE would do that? I'm guessing that the mock-up in bluefeet's question on MSO isn't anything like what it's going to look like? I can imagine that would be much more risky of a view than what I'm talking about... it's literally the SO page... looks identical in every way.

canon

Love to be a fly on the wall for the design discussions...

Catija

Heck, it seems like sufficiently large small groups might even pay for a custom site design ... or you could give them the option (if they have an in-house team) to create custom graphics for themselves using templates provided by SE.

I have browsers open to my internal and external networks... I use different themes for them to keep them visually separated... I mean... it's pretty obvious which is which anyway but I still do it just in case.

Catija

21:45

^That seems like something that'd be easy to tell isn't SO... or anywhere else on the SE network.

... and not because it was done in Paint.

bluefeet

I'll show that to the designers and say 'just do this!'

Catija

@bluefeet YAY!

canon

@Catija good 'ole retna-searing clarity.

Catija

Um... I get to be in the Waffles Channel... right?

canon

@bluefeet when was the last time you showed a designer anything and they said, "That's great; we'll use it as is!"

bluefeet

21:49

@canon yesterday :P

canon

Which is unfortunate... because who doesn't love lime green?

@bluefeet Lies...

Catija

@bluefeet I'm really not trying to minimize what you all are doing... I'm trying to understand the same thing that ChrisF is. I'm guessing that at least part of the confusion for me is that the preview you have isn't actually representative of what you're going for in the long run.

I hope it is because I'm actually really scared by those tabs that otherwise keep the appearance of SO for the site.

canon

The end-game is the website equivalent of the upside-down. A deep, dark hellscape... #justiceformews

Catija

@canon Green is the best color.

bluefeet

@Catija Well we wanted to show something that we've done instead of 'blah, blah, blah, we've done a bunch of stuff you can't see'.

Catija

21:52

That shade... not so much.

@bluefeet Which is why I was asking. I love seeing what you're doing and I know that you all try to keep us in the loop as much as you can.

bluefeet

@Catija Stay tuned for some of the blog stuff, we're going to go into a few more details.

Catija

@bluefeet I'll try. Hopefully they'll be announced network wide? With it focusing on SO, I don't get to see a lot of the updates since I'm not a user of that site.

bluefeet

@Catija since it's on the blog, I believe it will show up in the sidebar

Shog9

@Catija the mock-up is... pretty much the least we could do to get it working. It's probably not going to work very well.

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