@cazc_941 Not Constructive is no longer an option so... you probably want "no longer needed" even if it never actually was needed in the first place. :)

@Braiam I'm gonna make an educated guess as to why this happens:

when the featured meta posts are also in the list of hot meta posts, it's possible for a featured post to be picked as the "hot" choice

which then gets culled as a duplicate later in the process

so you'll end up with fewer items in the bulletin until the list refreshes

So, only one way to be sure?

I wonder which community would offer themselves to be guinea pig

handles some flags

Just avoid "Not constructive"

If Jeff were here I'd say "Nyah nyah."

Let's face it - Jeff is why it took so long to change it, isn't it.

"This is not a code writing service." is probably another phrase we should blacklist.

So while I'm so influential, can we get a hotness sort or do I still have to do the mega meta writeup?

hehehe... flag it as obsolete. :P

Yeah... how about not cooperating with a mod's request about flagging?

Well, no sense in relitigating it.

You had a choice. You could choose to be cooperative with a newly elected mod's request that would improve the system's handling of bad behavior, or undermine it. You chose to undermine. It is what it is.

> Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.

@AaronHall we use that a lot on su. And it's a symptom of a problem as much as one.

@AaronHall please don't. I am using it for questions like

Hi I want to do this. How should I do this. Please help me

:p

Close or downvotes work too

and in first comment, Please give me a solution. It's urgent

And there are better ways to phrase it.

Yes.

I am using

SO is not a free code writing service. Please put some efforts on it. If you don't know how to start, ask to google. If you found any problem doing this, ask it here. before that, please read How to Ask with [mcve]. Don't forget to take the tour

This is creativity

The location is this

@Telkitty you like me?

What a perfect color combination

who's the designer

@ShadowWizard O_O

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@Inc. disputed: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/38794834#38794834

@rene 2 previous instances were tp'd, and this one fp'd? gone though, so I don't really care :/

sure, I couldn't check, it was already gone

... bounty

Unfortunately I can't react, do them a favor and explain it.

Not along the reasonings that mods are a flock of innocious sheeps or such please.

> It's nice to be important but it's more important to be nice.

@SagarV The thing is - it shows up a lot on messages flagged as "rude". It's a rather snarky phrase in and of itself.

@AaronHall I am an overall nice and helpful person of course.

I'm still waking up and figuring out what's going on... :)

@AaronHall on the other hand, a lot of those questions don't show minimal effort...

Personally I just close those where practicable

What can we say instead that communicates the idea in a nicer way?

@AaronHall Good Morning Vietnam

"Please demonstrate more effort."

?

^For example this was ingeniously rude!

lol

@Aaron I'm feeling so bad and diminished I even can't tell you :-P

I'm not contextually with it am I?

@AaronHall Well, my context is a full year suspension because of being responding rude or unconstructive at absolutely off-topic and low efforts questions. Well, that's at least my POV.

@tel Meow!

keep the (rubber) duck with you!

@Inc. I've got at least three (still in their originate packaging)

I envy you.. I have none :(

No need duk, get kat!

@πάνταῥεῖ I'm very sorry you are having that experience. I recall reviewing the matter and thinking the suspension was a fully justified. Sometimes suspensions are truncated, but my personal position is that they usually shouldn't be. When I look at the accounts suspended for a very long time, their suspension history has those kinds of early endings.

question: "I have a write a program that does X and I don't know how please write it for me" > some kind of comment in response: "We usually respond poorly to being asked to write code for those who haven't made any effort. Please demonstrate more effort."

@AaronHall Well, there might be a very thin borderline to draw what's being nice or not. Many people dislike being told (and proven) to be lazy regarding research, or not seeing what's obvious. If we go straight about that, it's often achieved to be rude or not nice. Nonetheless I never would ever deny an explanation why. Anyone could simply accept this. I've been acting in dumb ways many times throughout my life and also with professional manners. TBC ...

... And I always appreciated and adopted someone else's critique regarding my silly decisions and misconceptions. I welcomed that someone was responding in a direct and straight way, instead of throwing indeterminate smooth cotton balls.

We're all grown ups, no?

@Telkitty Meow! (again) I need a professional troll chiming in!

Well, yes - "Is your Google broken?" is wrong on multiple levels - 1) Google isn't broken. 2) Thus it is sarcastic. 3) Thus it is insulting 4) A question being Googleable isn't a close reason and many top-voted questions were easily Googleable when asked.

So "Sarcasm" is insulting geniously?

I answer lots of "dumb" questions in real life. If I said that to someone's face, what do you think they'd do?

@AaronHall "what do you think they'd do?" Feel bad to some degree, but if these are righteous people, they'll just learn from it, stand up again and work on.

@AaronHall I dunno but I would love to see the video of the responses ... I expect some entertainment.

@rene Unfortunately there's no canonical meme for being stunned. Though stunning people can be extremely useful.

@rene "Expects entertainment on Tavern of the Meta SE" LOL!

Here is tavern after all, have fun :)

@Inc. Sure we have, I was just joking ;-)

@πάνταῥεῖ So... First off... If you rub their nose in it, they may develop a taste for it.

Yes, it's common advice, but that doesn't mean it works

Moving beyond the metaphor...

- Most people end up here from Google. So they already started by searching, they're just bad at it.

@Shog9 Okeh! That's some serious contribution about that topic!

- New askers are presented with an interstitial page that strongly encourages them to search the site first. Many do. Some don't.

- The ask page itself automatically searches based on title and then body. Again, many benefit from these results and don't ask further; some don't.

@Shog9 Agree... that's why we need a question "How to efficiently use <insert your favorite search engine> to search questions on Stack Exchange"

The native SO search is broken since years right now.

- Most people are bad at search, don't know the right terms for what they're doing even when they're good at search, and don't know how to research because their education sucked.

So ignoring the nice/rude dichotomy, telling someone to search is pointless unless you intend to sit down and give them a proper education.

Now, moving beyond the asker themselves...

...these comments often hang around for years.

@Shog9 Referring to the advanced google search features?

@πάνταῥεῖ no, things like "this is what the ?: operator is called, this is what a class used in an inheritance chain to add auxiliary functionality is called, this is how you learn these names from incorrect results when your initial searches found nothing..."

But yeah: the vast majority of people who will read a comment like "Is your Google broken" just came from Google after searching and finding the question you're commenting on.

So, super-irritating and pointless.

Like those old forum nags who'd reply to duplicate threads with something like, "this has been asked many times before, use search please"

(I only ever see those because they show up in search results while the threads they intended to reference do not)

@Shog9 I well understand what you mean But in particular cases where the verbatim question title leads to the already present (duplicate) answer when typing it into google?

"please use search"

@πάνταῥεῖ closing as a duplicate is pretty effective

If you must comment, then "search for 'exact phrase from question' leads me directly to <link>" is at least informative

Also subtly encourages the reader to, y'know, beat themselves up a bit instead of making them defensive

@Shog9 Yeah, and adding such comment will be considered as unconstructive probably. But what do you think where I achieved the dupe from, and hammered the question so.

again, focus on whether or not your comment is useful. If it's not, then doesn't really matter if it's rude or impeccably polite, it's still useless.

@Shog9 I see your point. I'm simply overshooting.

Though I don't really want to play with the "cotton balls" league. My suspension is probably legit with your laws :-P.

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moved the double messages

good

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@Alex 4K picture...

@SagarV hmm? Random ping?

No problem with those, just not used to them in Tavern. ;)