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@TheOutOfStarsException lmao dork

hahaha, and I was so about to say kneel for your new master :p

The OutOfStars Exception

@drachenstern dork? DORK? I am so hurt I think I'm just gonna leave!

@TheOutOfStarsException if I believed that for a second :p

Also, re: XKCD ~ I'm glad I'm not the only one that does that ... no really doc, it hurts, but only to the point I can't sleep at night... it's not as bad as it could be ...

@drachenstern I HAVE RETURNED! (Complete with a new name!)

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@drachenstern for those too lazy to clickthrough...

oh I forgot he brought over the alttext

that's the important bit

@TimStone attention @TimStone please pick up the courtesy phone in the lobby @TimStone ...

2:53 PM

lol

We have courtesy phones now?

Actually yeah, the mods do ... there's a new @@ in place

but like I can't use it here ...

@drachenstern what's this?

Yi Jiang

Hmmm?

@TimStone go check your global inbox

2:56 PM

raises brow

ok, you too josh. I don't know if it works from chat.se to the SO twins

I can always ping you guys on a chat.se thing

I got nothin' :P

dang

so anyways, I'm still learning it myself :p

yeah what are you on about @drachenstern? :-)

@drachenstern looks like you should head back to the Teacher's Lounge ;-)

Nothing??? hmmm I think you two are lying! :(

as advertised on the tin you two should've gotten global inbox alerts :(

3:00 PM

We're too cool for your shenanigans, clearly.

status-cole-fail

status-better-luck-next-time

status-doubtful

status-its-da-bomb-and-it-blew-up

status-somebody-set-us-up-the-bomb

ok, apparently somebody setup my computer the bomb because this PoS is taking FOREVER

3:15 PM

Looks like we have a religious war brewing in #PHP. Debating putting the room in gallery for a while... If it descends any further (I already warned the room) I will...

How interesting .. some mods were discussing the need to monitor that room yesterday

Q: Election fraud on Apple.SE!!1!

Oh?

Loïc Wolff

I guess I saw through your little game, @Shog9

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OK, now I have your attention. There seems to be a glitch on Apple.SE about page, where our latest Valued Associate Shog9 appears on the elected moderator list, even though he wasn't elected. See:

support

:)

Any reason? I thought the room was pretty good at self-policing. We do get off topic, but usually come back pretty quick if the need be

I think it was more "is the room being used to answer questions that should rightfully belong on SO" and was part of an overall observation, nothing specific about that room ... just interesting that you would mention it in close temporal proximity to that chat discussion

3:22 PM

Oh ok. Yeah, we do answer some questions that should rightfully belong on SO.

Yi Jiang

@LoïcWolff Has happened before, also with @RebeccaChernoff and Dori

I'm all for participating in a discussion on that if any of the mods (or anyone else for that matter) want to ping me about it

It'll be fun to see what happens to this graph when wife & baby come back home:

@mootinator heywhatisthat???

Oh, and the religous war looks to have been averted without any action necessary (aside from pointing it out verbally)...

3:27 PM

@ircmaxell check with TimPost

@ircmaxell Yatta!

@drachenstern It's one of the graphs from the WakeMate thingy I got in the mail yesterday.

Cool

wakemate ...

wakemate.com

must acquire ...

does it help?

ping @TimPost

@drachenstern Not sure, I've only had it for one night. It's basically just an accelerometer strapped to your wrist.

3:29 PM

@mootinator that whole "wakes you at the right time" part is what I wanna know

Yi Jiang

in Ask Ubuntu General Room on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 13 mins ago, by Marco Ceppi

I like the tweet bot. It's basically a feed for questions that need to be closed or fixed.

@drachenstern It did go off when I was awake for a moment to roll over this morning.

Basically, if you move within the 20 minute window it decides that's a good time to wake you up I guess.

Which makes sense to an extent.

It does

I just want an alarm that goes off when I should be getting up, instead of me fighting to hear it :p

Well, so far it does that.

Only on reddit (or 4chan, or anywhere else on the intertubes I suppose)

3:40 PM

hah

@drachenstern I finally got your message, BTW :P

Trying to lure me in to the DBA room, I see how it is.

yeah same here

Shog9

@LoïcWolff Heh... Thanks for the heads-up. Should be fixed now.

Ok, sure sure, now it's there ... that took a while :(

@drachenstern It probably uses the normal chat notification timing delay (+ the amount of time since I last checked one of the sites, since I'm on the phone at the moment).

3:47 PM

So you see that you've never been to dba land and it sent you a notification then ... also I alerted each of you from your unix accounts but you wouldn't know that :p

4:41 PM

from @jin I believe ... geeksaresexy.net/2011/04/07/ham-solo-pic

What will NASA do if the government shuts down today? nasa.gov/pdf/534258main_NASA_Shutdown_Plan_04-07-11.pdf

And ... boss sponsored lunch. How can I say no to that?

Pekka's trolling account

5:40 PM

Bonjour everyone!

I see we have a new member in our midst.

Conveniently, we can address him @The like his predecessor.

I guess I don't rate as new.

Dammit ... he has a new name..

Fosco

5:55 PM

catch (TheMountainException e) { throw new Avalanche(e.location, e.severity); }

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6:07 PM

@Pekkastrollingaccount Yes, I like to keep it that way :-)

@Fosco I love it. Except there better not be any avalanches in my new home!

@TylerChacha every 30 days, Tyler... every 30 days :-)

6:29 PM

spunkandglam.blogspot.com/2010/05/…

All the goodness and artery clogging of bacon, without the bacon!

Fosco

oh god this is awesome: reddit.com/tb/gljmr

@TimPost: so I hear there's been some talk about the #PHP room? If you'd like my input (or want anything from me) feel free to ask...

FML quote of the day: "Until someone invents quantum ethernet, I can't do much better"

@ircmaxell I'm looking at a somewhat controversial proposal to send new users who pass a low quality filter to chat

Jacob

@TheMountainException Funny, I should switch to the Beach exception

6:44 PM

@ircmaxell To do that, successfully at least, I need to see if it would actually help

@Jacob LOL

Fair enough

When you say pass a low quality filter, do you mean too low, or of sufficient quality?

@ircmaxell That means, I may often 'lurk'

@ircmaxell "Dear, im having issues with getting [framework] to do [job]. Plz suggest answerz ...."

Come on by! We love having people in there that have something interesting to share (or just watch)

@TimPost Yeah, we've been dealing with those quite a bit lately. Most of the times it's very constructive

@ircmaxell I'm thinking (dangerous) that if a new user tries to ask such a question that they 1 - need help writing questions and 2 - probably would become constructive users if they got help and a positive response. This is a 1/3 baked idea, though.

6:50 PM

Well, I know some of them need more hand-holding than the format of SO is conducive to providing

So sometimes a 30 second conversation on chat can answer a question that would otherwise be close voted, or never answered because not enough information can be provided on the subject in the normal format

Jeff said the whole hoax was to encourage better writers .. so ..

The only issue with it is are there enough users in SO chat to support that kind of system.

Again, in case any portion of this gets starred, THIS IS A THIRD BAKED IDEA.

I know #PHP and #JS are quite active (among a few other rooms), but is that enough? Or would a system like that require more committed users?

@ircmaxell I don't yet know.

6:53 PM

Well, you have my support (I like the half-baked portion of the idea). So if you need anything from me (I doubt you would, but I'll offer anyway) feel free to ask

@ircmaxell I'm not picking on that tag at all. I have a badge for answering in it. I chose it because it is frequently problematic and I know what I'm looking at.

Believe me, I understand (I see the low quality questions that keep coming through like a firehose)

@ircmaxell Thanks. It's going to take some work to formulate this feature request :)

cool

For the record @TimPost @ircmaxell I'm all for this too. If it's going to have C# or some of the other popular tags I'm willing to commit to keeping a browser window open so many hours of the day as well (I try as is)

7:05 PM

very nice

The issue is collecting and analyzing data, without pointing fingers at users.

Which OMG lends to parsing html with regex

Wait, nobody said ANYTHING about parsing html with grep

A: "Vote too old to be changed"... but I haven't voted!

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To help curb "tactical-downvoting," up/down voting: has a small window where you may undo a vote locked-in votes can be changed after the post is edited If you vote and then undo the vote, you can still come back later and cast another up/down vote - only cast votes are locked in. Based on a...

:O

I've had that issue a total of zero times, but at least I won't have to see people bitching about it anymore. :P

@drach what feature request?

@Moshe: read down from chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/597164#597164

Got it. I'm in favor.

Thanks, @irc

7:21 PM

New law: one tiger should be released into the House chamber every hour until the budget passes. Call it the "Job Creating Tiger Bill".

Tweeted by dcurtis on April 8, 2011 at 7:18 PM

No rpbolem

@drachenstern We can't call it the Motivation for Encouraging Alacritous Truces bill?

@TimStone perhaps so

chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/5/the-so-tavern-general

preemptive shushing

The government thought they were the only ones who could come up with terrible acronyms. THEY WERE WRONG.

Heh :P

@TimStone hah!

8:27 PM

Generic free web alert/checkbox/error type logos. Where do people get these from?

If only there were a site.

With authoritative answers to that sort of question.

So I could skip the mess of results on google altogether.

Shog9

Unfortunately, Google Image Search is the answer...

badp's sockpuppet

@mootinator Alternatively, wikipedia.

Hmm

badp's sockpuppet

So long as you're okay with CC-Wiki 3.0

Thanks.

8:47 PM

I just noticed that in the latest version of Skype, the up arrow on the keyboard edits your last message. And, edited messages are indicated by a small pencil...

Looks like the developers of Skype are MSO/SE chat users! :-D

9:05 PM

Silly me.

jQuery had those icons already.

/facepalm

@mootinator Ah, you forgot the "is great and does all things" part.

right

9:39 PM

What should I do today...

Hey @Tyler when is your big robotics competition?

All 3 finished

the last one was last week

Oh? Sorry, I was out of touch

How did you do?

9th, 28th and 31st

Alright

How many contestants were there?

9:45 PM

39, 62, and 64, respectively

not bad!

Thus, that means what you should do today is write usercorn scripts!

I need to get the Regex for a XKCD article..

hmm

I would how SO does it..

Turn xkcd.com/883 into imgs.xkcd.com/comics/pain_rating.png

@TylerChacha you wonder how they do it? You just parse for the node with class s and then take the only image node under it

so much easier in jQuery syntax ($'.s img').attr('src')

I've done some Googling... and I'm not understanding arrays in C#.

Is there a way to traverse a multidimensional array with foreach?

@Moshe not really ... foreach is linear

10:00 PM

Well, I'm using a rectangular array to hold data from a web service.

I could be wrong about being clueless, hang on...

In Java you could do for (int[] row : myMultiArray) {}.

you would generally do foreach(key1 in object1) { foreach(key2 in object1[key1]) { var thing = object1[key1][key2] } } but that's overly simplified

Is that possible in C#?

@mmyers I don't recognize that syntax. That's not saying much

Yeah, it would take an inner loop.

10:01 PM

of course I'm assuming jagged arrays too

@drachenstern Introduced in Java 1.5 or Java 5 or whatever they ended up calling it.

if it were rectangular there's ways to unroll the loop

@mmyers rather I meant from the C# end of things. I grok the syntax as written for Java. There's things that Java is much more concise than C# on, but generally it's a 1:1 comparison of language features

@drachenstern I couldn't get a jagged array going

@Moshe what are you doing in C# land?

Maybe an extension method which presented an Iterable? That way the logic would be abstracted out if you have to do this a lot.

10:02 PM

Hang on, I'll be back soon. I need to to help my mom with something.

@drachenstern I'll explain in a bit.

I have a sec @drachenstern. I'm writing a client for a web service that provides data.

The data is structured as "books" which contain "articles"

I ask an endpoint for the books, another for the articles in a given book and the final endpoint for a given article in a given book.

I'm using aweb service so it's easier to do this across platforms. I have it working on iOS.

@drachenstern - So that's what I'm doing with C#

bbiab

@Moshe What is wrong with using two for each?

@drachenstern says here -- and it works for jagged just fine.

@mmyers that's what I was thinking. I think he's writing the services tho that return them so he's in unknown territory.

@drachenstern My friend did the service. It's Google App engine and returns XML responses. I've got the parsing down but I got derailed a bit by the arrays.

I figured I'd just go with the rectangle (or whatever you call the "not jagged") arrays.

Which was fine, but hoe do I iterate them?

I want to display the books in a ListView and when the user clicks the a ListItem, they list should update with the books and a back button. (Think iOS style table-view as seen in the notes app, the mail app, etc.)

10:22 PM

Thank you for your recent order from Bose Corporation.

We thought you'd like to know that your order was shipped on 04/08/11.

1 Each AE2 HDPHN SLV WW

That would be these :D http://j.mp/1y3NiD

And from the bank's online services, I can see that my payment (in full) was rendered:

Date Type Description/Category Status Debit (-)
4/8/2011 PU BOSE CORP PTS PND ($70.59)

:D :D :D :D :D

Nice!

Captain! The excitement meter is picking up something in this sector!

@drachenstern - So, what should I do for my Arrays situation?

I vote to bite the bullet and use nested for loops.

@mmyers My Array is declared as String[,]. I'm not against it, but how do I do that?

10:27 PM

@mmyers probably the less than half price I paid for the headphones ;)

@Moshe the way I suggested

what do you want to do with the items?

10 mins ago, by Moshe

I want to display the books in a ListView and when the user clicks the a ListItem, they list should update with the books and a back button. (Think iOS style table-view as seen in the notes app, the mail app, etc.)

It's "articles" and "books".

Three endpoints. (described above)

badp's sockpuppet

in The Bridge on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by fail badp

If you have RIFT, MKXM-DFTE-YKLG-Y6CP-XJNL

@drachenstern How did you swing that?

I would probably suggest doing it completely differently :p

@mmyers I had an old pair that one ear stopped working and the other didn't.

shhh, don't ruin the magic of the moment

@drachenstern Ok, so what would you do?

The only given here is that I've got an XML string representing response data.

10:29 PM

@Moshe I would denormalize it into a pair of lists personally, one that I could bind to easily, the other that I could bind to with some filter, but it really works out the same

@Moshe so you've got to decompose it yourself anyways, gotcha

must you use C# on this one?

@drachenstern Instead of?

isn't it going to be consumed by iOS?

@drachenstern No.

This is for Windows.

I'm trying to figure out why you're using a middle tier

oh, ok

I made a mistake.

10:31 PM

WinForms?

I agreed to do an app for a client that would run on several platforms.

@drachenstern Using that, yes, in VS2010

you know what runs well on EVERY platform? A very very basic webpage :p

@drachenstern So I'm going with a web service. I'm writing clients for each platform.

and you're writing a webservice to return the data ... hmmm

ah, so wait

@drachenstern My friend did it in Google App Engine.

10:32 PM

you don't really have to return string[][] then?

oh :\

@drachenstern The server returns XML

It's URL requests.

@Moshe yeah, so you have said like 17 times. that means nothing

is the xml a list of strings or what?

I mean, my car runs on gas. Guess how fast it goes.

@drachenstern Each book has an ID, a title, and a description

I'll simplify:

@drachenstern Up to 80 - no make that 85 - legally. (Or was it someplace else changing the speed limit.)

10:34 PM

<books>
 <book id="id" title="title" description="description">
  <articles>
   <article stuff="stuff" />
   <article stuff="stuff" />
   <article stuff="stuff" />
   <article stuff="stuff" />
  </articles>
 </book>
 <book id="id" title="title" description="description">
  <articles>
   <article stuff="stuff" />
   <article stuff="stuff" />
   <article stuff="stuff" />
   <article stuff="stuff" />
  </articles>
 </book>
</books>

@Moshe the correct answer is "who cares" but thanks for playing

if your structure looks like that then you're in great shape

It's not.

It's three endpoints.

Then your friend blows goats.

I thought you had one endpoint to return a list of books (do the above without the articles)

@drachenstern are goats one of the endpoints?

I thought you had one endpoint to return a list of articles for a given book (do the above within one of the books)

I have one for just books, one for articles in a book

10:36 PM

@Hogan most likely

@Moshe and the third?

and one for a given article

should look like the above

oh, so each article has it's own ID?

Yes,

so then what the hell are you moaning about?

so confused

@drachenstern lol

10:37 PM

Again.

you want to make a webservice call everytime you load the page

you don't have a jagged array

tree

@drachenstern I do

At best you have a list of classes

so you would do this in C#:

Well, like this

I have a WebClient which calls the first endpoint

The first endpoint returns list of books

the books have id/name/description as XML

10:38 PM

public class Book {
  public string Title {get;set;}
  public string ID {get;set;}
  public string Description {get;set;}
}

I put that into an array

and you would use it with a List<Book> books = webservice.getbooks()

no no no no no no no no no no no no no

ok

unless you're masochistic you don't ever want to parse the XML yourself.

@drachenstern with regex!

10:39 PM

take this to gmail for just a moment so you can give me the url of the service so I can see something

Er, ok

@Hogan like I said, masochistic

hang on.

no worries... I'm leaving.

good luck moshe

@Hogan thanks

logging in

@drachenstern - logged in

Rebecca Chernoff

10:43 PM

Hey @lazypower !!! Your tweet about #SOMeetup got featured on the Stack Overflow blog dude!!! :D http://t.co/7ZsQy8l

Tweeted by salmansq on April 8, 2011 at 10:24 PM

Hehehe

I should have taken a picture of a "Closed" sign somewhere for our meetup.

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#SOMeetup: Closed as no longer relevant.

@drachenstern Exactly, good find.

I'm not sure where in Philadelphia I'd find that kind of non-threatening looking reflection, but I'll take it.

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