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user202362

00:15

user315433

Dire Straits - Money For Nothing music video (Good quality, all countries)

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user315433

For some value of "good"... :/

bjb568

@zaq Well, he drew a graph of probability by velocity with the support (0, ∞), so that's not what he meant.

The reasoning was probably "bell shaped → normal thing".

user315433

Alright, but I learned something as a result. Never saw the derivation of the Maxwell–Boltzmann distribution in my physics classes.

user202362

video block in your country

user202362

00:20

lolz

bjb568

@zaq I saw it in my Chem class, along with much more, but that's all thanks to Wikipedia. o_0

user315433

Back in my days we didn't have Wikipedia, imagine that...

bjb568

0_0

user202362

00:56

If you sneak into someone else home when the owner is not there, looking around without taking anything, then feed her cat with food you brought along, should the owner be thanking you for feeding the cat?

bjb568

01:10

Nah, the act of thanking is useless.

user202362

02:01

I don't think many people like other to sneak into their places without their explicit permissions

bjb568

Meh.

hichris123

→ 35 messages moved to Chimney

bjb568

This makes me sad.

reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/5lrdy9/…

Why don't people know about fluid democracy?

With crypto and stuffs, it mitigates all the problems people talk about.

That's the problem when people don't know about practical stuff: their philosophical discussions are built on a false premise. There's no philosophical argument for and against direct democracy, abortion, guns, self-driving trolly problem, whatever. There's very simple truth, those who are too dumb to understand it, those who aren't exposed to it because it isn't clickbait, and those who cover their ears to perpetuate their ignorance.

The majority of things aren't debatable, they are obvious if people were broken out of their bubble. Humanity is doomed by group forces, individuals in isolation tend to be reasonable. Individuality also isn't a solution, it's the cause of not only the breakdown in traditional communities, but the rise in much worse filter-bubbly ones.

user202362

Dearest hacker, while you are in my laptop, please fix this crash caused by dangling lib. Thx. 😂

bjb568

I'd support internet censorship.

(but that issue is debatable :))

user315433

02:45

Nick's reflections on Teams...

user315433

> I spent a lot of time building a feature called Teams for Stack Overflow before we said “WTF are we doing?” and changed course.
we looked back & realized we didn’t know what we were building. When people asked, we didn’t have a good answer either.
We learned a lot from that mistake, in process. We re-shaped how we plan major new features after that failure.
You know what? We did something. We tried. We failed. We learned some good things & some bad things. We're better for it.
Teams wasn’t a waste. Dapper even got new features to support some database models, etc. Knowledge is a perfectly…

user202362

you can fail because you made 1 fatal mistake in your life but you can also succeed if you had 1 massive success, despite the fact that you are doing stupid things for the rest of your life.

user202362

While most of the people keep on trying without getting any where. Even though if you stop trying, you might as well kill yourself.

user202362

New research has shown feral cats cover over 99.8 per cent of Australia's land area. By comparison, 85.1 per cent of Australia has internet access.

user202362

so if you love cats ...

user315433

03:18

If I annoy enough mods by flagging "accept this answer" comments under the answers that are already accepted, will this improve the chances of auto-nuking extended network-wide? Worth trying.

user315433

Grr, there is no "is_accepted" field, one has to look up comment -> answer -> question -> accepted answer. :/

bjb568

Doesn't happen in mongodb.

Why does that auto carrot exist?

user315433

I was overcomplicating it, it's simply Comments.PostId = Posts.AcceptedAnswerId

user315433

No need to deal with the answer at all.

bjb568

Meh.

user315433

03:29

Never mind, the auto-nuke is already network wide. \o/

user315433

Hm, is matching lower(c.Text) like '%accept%answer%' enough or is there also a length restriction? Time for science.

user315433

A lot of "accept answer" have "thank you so much" comment above them, but that doesn't seem auto-nukable.

user315433

There doesn't seem to a length restriction, but the match might be case-sensitive.

user315433

03:44

No it's not case-sensitive, but there may be something about the number of characters between "accept" and "answer"...

user315433

> Another reply of mine with no acceptance, no upvotes, and now it has been bumped by ""Community"" in the hope that someone will give a better answer. Good luck with that one.

user315433

A tale of unspeakable woe.

user315433

04:09

> I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because too old without an accepted answer

user315433

By a user who answered that question. :/

user315433

And it did get closed. (Magento site)

SmokeDetector

04:39

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: www.toptryloburn.com/no2-x-720/ by user135159 on security.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: platinumcleanserinfo.com/zyntix-reviews/ by rikrak on apple.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body: Countless people already use and also by Kavinkrol on apple.stackexchange.com

SmokeDetector

05:29

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: In zyntix way, these zyntix by cutdom plad1 on graphicdesign.stackexchange.com

user315433

Speaking of comments: Which programming languages have the happiest (and angriest) commenters?

Shog9

06:04

Are SQL commenters truly angry, or do they just type happy thoughts IN ALL CAPS?

user315433

I'm angry about chat feeds sleeping for 13 hours now. A new record.

Shog9

06:24

Yeah... I'm having to visit meta sites and browse recent posts manually. Like some sort of savage.

user315433

My backup is feedly, which is setup with the same feeds as the chatroom.

user315433

Feedly also confirms that the problem is not with the feeds themselves but with chat's lack of desire to consume them.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: fruits and vegetables served with each lunch by user681695 on superuser.com

SmokeDetector

07:08

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer, link at end of answer: Where are the user's bitcoins actually stored? by tina on bitcoin.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Myrrh had a significant protective by lolazoe on drupal.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, pattern-matching website in answer: Web development testing - view website without all my fonts installed? by seoservice on superuser.com

Magisch

07:43

@Shog9 It's a habit you pick up writing SQL

You should know, you write a whole lot of SQL yourself, for a CM

:D

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Recover Yahoo password that's stored on my Mac by alex watson on apple.stackexchange.com

user315433

Heh, I'm the first user to earn Marshal on Arduino. Kind of shows why that site is still in beta; non-diamond users are not that big on moderation.

Magisch

07:59

I got 37 helpful flags on arduino

user315433

In total, 1,454,036 posts were deleted on SO last year, versus 1,180,882 comments. I'd expect there being more worthless comments than worthless posts.

user315433

Need more paths to comment deletion... I don't know what, though. Weighted comment flags to reduce the required number from 6 in some cases? Based on what, the record of prior comment flags?

user315433

SEDE says: 13m questions, 21m answers, and 54m comments.

user315433

Nobody celebrated reaching 50,000,000 comments on SO. :)

user315433

But it's not too late, let's delete 4m of them and have a proper celebration...

Magisch

08:12

@zaq That's already the case with keywords

comments containing certain keywords (I believe NLP is involved) require fewer / sometimes just 1 flag to delete

user315433

I believe a table of regexes is involved.

user315433

Which limits the applicability of this reduction to a few patterns. Not going to turn the tide of comments.

user202362

rene

08:51

@zaq you only saw that recently right? ;)

Shadow Wizard

heh, just got upvote on this. Totally forgot about it. I would have started a bounty to draw official attention, but it would be totally pointless.

rene

the upvotes now mach the screenshot. There is balance.

Bart

@ShadowWizard there, bountied. Pointless act of the day completed.

rene

Hat hunter

Shadow Wizard

lolz

PAofD

rene

09:18

Oh .... windows .... sometimes ...

Derpy

@rene sometimes?

you meant every time, right?

rene

well, I dunno, I mean what kind of feature is it that you let users close stuff from the taskbar but then refuse to complete that because a dialog is open but don't bring it into focus, so you click a couple of times and then go WTF?

Derpy

09:34

@rene Active Directory User and Computer property panel?

rene

@Derpy I think all stuff that is from the Win95 era behaves the same, this was the Device manager and I was looking at the properties for a specific device. There was nothing stale in that dialog ... I wouldn't have lost valuable hours of work if it was closed....

Maybe the modal dialog is one of the worst UI inventions in computer history

Derpy

and anyway, my last fragments of trust for microsoft products went down the river after my recent adventure with the Microsoft Account hacking prevention features (the one I told you folks before - friend getting reports of an unrecognized successful login from an unrecognized IP. A Microsoft owned unrecognized IP. Their own maintenance scripts trigger the hacking prevention features.)

rene

lol ... yeah ... sad ....

Derpy

I like to think I am not a SharePoint expert because I like SharePoint or want to sell it. I prefer to see me as a doctor.

> you already have an illness you caught when you bought SharePoint. I am here to minimize damage and make it hurt less

Bart

10:02

I'm tempted to delete vote that trajectory question @rene. Holding off only because it's being discussed on Meta. As it stands it's not even a programming question.

rene

@Bart really? How is that so?

Algorithm question are on-topic, right?

How you ask them is a minefield

Bart

This to me isn't so much an algorithm question as it is physics. I don't see where any part of problem as currently stated is a programming issue.

rene

Hmmm, well, yeah but that is a bit strict I think

You can read the question as : I have this physics thingy that I need to model in a computer program. The transition from model to code isn't going well, here is my attempt

Bart

There isn't even an attempt at the model.

The problem currently isn't the transition, because there's nothing to transition from

rene

That is right, and that is why needs to be closed/stay closed

Bart

10:11

No argument there.

rene

it already has 2 delete votes now

Bart

Ah, from the history I get it was about Unity physics ... that changes the situation quite a bit. Don't know why he removed the tag.

rene

it was rolledback by Tuna

he added it just before he came to meta

the history is a bit of a mess now

but that tag wasn't there when I got it in the queue

Bart

Ah yeah. Hmm, he should really clarify if he just wants a ballistic trajectory, or if he's trying to have Unity's physics engine follow an exact path, or whatever.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: How does DLC work with Xbox One backwards compatibility? by Govind Dhera on gaming.stackexchange.com

rene

10:20

@Bart can you check my latest edit?

Bart

Seems fair enough

rene

Thx

Bart

@ShadowWizard PAofD resulted in an answer :D

SmokeDetector

10:36

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: Waddup invaders is this Macdonald? by Mikemayers on cooking.stackexchange.com

rene

@Bart at least your rep isn't going to waste

Shadow Wizard

10:52

oh wait.... it's iOS app, not android app... huge self slap

@Bart yup. +85 (and counting) for @Cai, +7 for me, -50 and a hat for you.... :D

SmokeDetector

11:53

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Is it possible to connect an Xbox One wireless controller to the Xbox 360 wireless receiver for PC? by Chirag Patel on gaming.stackexchange.com

Shadow Wizard

14:18

Shhhh @ShadowWizard don't give away all my secrets — bluefeet ♦ 24 mins ago

rene

@ShadowWizard you know Nick hates SP's and triggers, right? They didn't invent Dapper for fun ...

Shadow Wizard

No worry @bluefeet your biggest secret is kept!

@rene yeah, what I meant why not perform the checks in the code reading from database. :)

rene

It doesn't read like that

Man, I like that ^ comment

bluefeet

@ShadowWizard to be honest I wasn't exactly sure what you were asking :| it's too early here

rene

Just bluff your way up the career ladder ...

Shadow Wizard

14:22

@bluefeet no worry, as long as it's fixed guess it doesn't really matter. :)

bluefeet

@rene again, shhhhh don't give away my secrets

rene

oops sorry ...

bluefeet

@ShadowWizard it is, I saw the bug yesterday and was like OOPS

Shadow Wizard

@bluefeet so you have access to the code, you see what's wrong, and send it to developer to push to prod?

Or can you push yourself?

bluefeet

@ShadowWizard Yes, I can see the code. Poke a dev and say 'something is wrong', then they fix it and push it

I don't have the ability to make changes

Shadow Wizard

14:24

@bluefeet hmm.... must be frustrating to see a bug and not be able to fix it yourself... ;(

BTW who is to blame? ;)

bluefeet

@ShadowWizard not a dev though, so it's ok

Shadow Wizard

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard It's Shadow Wizard's fault.

Shadow Wizard

noooooo

rene

waffles

Shadow Wizard

14:25

@bluefeet any chance you'll make a switch at some point, like @Adam did? :)

(I mean from CM to become a developer)

@rene I take it that it's not? :)

wait... Adam was a CM first then a dev... snap

bluefeet

@ShadowWizard not sure. I've not done front-end development in a very long time, I've been a back-end DB developer for most of my career now, so it'd be a big adjustment.

Shadow Wizard

@bluefeet but SE/SO got lots of database... surely they also need back-end DB developers?

bluefeet

I prefer poking around with sql and playing with data

@ShadowWizard devs are full-stack

Shadow Wizard

@bluefeet no DB-only developers?

bluefeet

@ShadowWizard we have SRE's the site reliability folks, but I've not done that stuff before. Not saying couldn't learn that,

Shadow Wizard

14:30

hmm... well if you're happy with being a CM (C not for Code ;)) guess it's all good. :-)

bluefeet

I'm totally happy where I'm at, and I get to spend time learning new things like R that I get to use as a CM

Shadow Wizard

R?

bluefeet

talking like a pirate

Shadow Wizard

I prefer Q :P

bluefeet

Kidding - R

Shadow Wizard

14:33

@bluefeet huh? So the magic tools you have are operated with R? confused

bluefeet

@ShadowWizard No silly, R is in addition to other stuff. :)

Shadow Wizard

expecting to get a secret Silly Hat

:D

bluefeet

Our data scientist Dave Robinson got me interested in using R for some of the community related data analysis

Shadow Wizard

@bluefeet Robinson... R... is this a coincidence? ;)

bluefeet

he is very good at pirate talk

Shadow Wizard

14:36

He got a parrot?

bluefeet

I'm sure he does. And a pegleg

Shadow Wizard

:D

hmm...

David Robinson, New York, NY, United States

4k 4 17 33

Why no diamond? And no hat... :(

bluefeet

Not everyone gets diamonds

Andy

@bluefeet Had you used anything before R?

Bart

Diamond is in his treasure chest, and pirates always have hats anyway. So maybe he's taking a break.

bluefeet

14:39

and he is probably too busy for hats. He is in the data cave

@Andy besides SQL...nope

Shadow Wizard

@Andy Q

@bluefeet even to wear one? He got few hats... :)

Magisch

hey bluefeet

bluefeet

o/

canon

Who gets notified of edits on a post which was made community wiki? Just the original author or all contributors?

uggh... just the original author... meta.stackexchange.com/a/11741/159427

Shadow Wizard

14:56

@canon yup

Pandya

@Carpetsmoker Thanks for pointing out!

canon

@ShadowWizard data scientists hate fun. Also, it's dangerous to give a data scientist too much power.

Shadow Wizard

:)

BTW @canon

16

Q: Can we have an option to disable notifications on community wiki posts?

Please could we have a way to disable notifications on CW posts? If I post a CW answer, (especially on meta) it is almost certainly because I want others to edit content into it. This means me getting 2 notifications a day is redundant and a little annoying. When we make a CW post, please could...

feature-request notifications community-wiki

The other way around, kind of ^

didn't find a request to notify all CW editors

Good chance there was such a request and it got Roomba'd

Pandya

!!/report hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/16640/277

canon

@ShadowWizard hmm

Pandya

15:03

!!/alive

SmokeDetector

@Pandya ... did I miss something?

canon

heh

Pandya

!!/amiprivileged

SmokeDetector

@Pandya Yes, you are a privileged user.

user315433

Internet of Things is in public beta

SmokeDetector

15:07

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How to make Muntha chart using vedic astrology? by sri prakash narain on hinduism.stackexchange.com

Carpetsmoker

@Pandya Huh? What did I point out?

Shadow Wizard

@Pandya manual reports go to the Charcoal room, only if the reported post isn't deleted in 5 minutes it's showing here too

Pandya

@Carpetsmoker Isn't it you who pointed out How to Ask and How to Answer magic links recently?

Carpetsmoker

Oh, that :-)

Pandya

@ShadowWizard Yes I just remembered

Carpetsmoker

15:18

You must forgive me for not remembering on whose question I left which comments exactly an hour later :-)

Shadow Wizard

@zaq yeah, IoT is still new and got huge potential. ;)

Carpetsmoker

@zaq Does it run 6-year old software with dozens of security problems?

Shadow Wizard

@Carpetsmoker this reminds me, a recent massive cyber attack was launched using IoT devices.

Millions of them, which turns out are super easy to hack.

Magisch

@ShadowWizard well yeah

they're barely powerful enough to handle plaintext communications

Shadow Wizard

Manager: our site is down, do something!
Developer: yeah, we're being attacked by millions of TV devices.
Manager: ...

Magisch

15:23

of course they're not secure

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch too bad usability is above security then.

Magisch

Nobody is going to make your smart fridge's computer parts 600% more expensive so they can have safe encryption

Nobody is going to spend time hardening and pentesting drivers for them either

Shadow Wizard

Breaking news of the day: a solider who killed an unarmed person lying wounded on the floor was convicted in... man slaughter. What a huge surprise. sad face

canon

why does my toaster need to be smart?

user315433

Still alive spam, biology.stackexchange.com/a/54877

Shadow Wizard

15:26

@Magisch so when sites are attacked and fall because of that, who will pay exactly?

Magisch

Nobody

Shadow Wizard

Wrong

canon

consumers

Shadow Wizard

You will pay. I will pay. Everyone will pay.

Magisch

this is humanity, we're neither just nor fair even at the best of times

I'm honestly more worried about the world governments warming up to the idea of censoring the internet widespreadly

as the discussion about "fake news" heats up

canon

15:28

warming up?

they've all wanted to do it from the beginning

well, not the beginning

once it became mainstream

Magisch

By that I mean they're warming up to openly saying thats what they want to do

And the public is warming to it too

Shadow Wizard

@zaq yeah, moderators don't see, or ignore, spam flags there.

canon

Terrorist: I will destroy everything you love. I'll take your freedom. Countries of the world: not before we give it away first!

rene

@zaq now gone, sorry

Pandya

16:56

Can site moderators change about-me section of a user?

Shog9

sure

Pandya

ok

xkcdBot

Today's xkcd comic (Artifacts):

I didn't even realize you could HAVE a data set made up entirely of outliers.

Pandya

Hmm.... I found it on second answer: /cc @Shog9

27

A: Who are the diamond moderators, and what is their role?

Community moderators (people with a ♦ next to their name, who aren't Stack Exchange employees) have a number of abilities beyond other users. They have all the privileges of normal users, regardless of their reputation. Wherever users with sufficient privileges can vote (such as when closing qu...

user315433

FR: frequently posted comments should expire, since they are not specific to the post. Something like... comment_age > 30 days and the same comment was posted 20+ times (verbatim) => automatically deleted.

user315433

17:11

Examples: "welcome to site blah blah blah blah blah blah" and "Thank you so much!"

Pandya

@zaq comments are not considered so important as posts. So, it has not much concern I think.

user315433

Chemistry users are particularly fond of comment templates (glares at @M.A.R.)

user315433

Back when my bot was posting templated comments, it was deleting them after a while. But humans are lazy.

Pandya

@Shog9 How about marking meta.stackexchange.com/questions/110347/… status-completed as it has already implemented in new mobile chat?

user315433

17:49

Mod handled spam: 49,227 vs community handled spam: 56,362 (all time on SO)

SmokeDetector

18:49

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Why did Doomsday fall back to earth but Superman didn't? by jagger t on movies.stackexchange.com

user315433

> As of right now, HTTP/2 is enabled for https:// Stack Overflow (and Stack Exchange) visitors. Still working on certificates & mixed content. -- Nick Craver at 9:44 AM - 4 Jan 2017

user315433

Does this mean anything for normal (but with HTTPS Everywhere) users like me?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title, repeated URL at end of long post: Natural Slim Life == healthygcpro.com/natural-slim-life/ by Andil Race on graphicdesign.stackexchange.com

user315433

20:42

Interactive graph of SO flags in 2016: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/340865

user315433

The number of comment flags is pretty low, considering one user can cast up to 3000 per month.

user315433

Looks like mods are handling too many NAA/VLQ flags, but it's unclear whether this is because of the posts that skip review (flagged the 2nd time, etc), or because review is slow.

Shog9

Mostly the latter - particularly since the election

Last 90 days, review has handled 44% of NAA and VLQ flags, with a median handling time of 367 minutes. Median mod handling time is 61 minutes.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: How is an Elastic IP address different from a static IP address? by T Henley on unix.stackexchange.com

user315433

21:03

I gather that it's less like the mod team is crumbling under the pile of flags and more like they have time to spare in the queue.

Shog9

Yeah; also, NAA / VLQ are low-hanging fruit: a single moderator can plow through them very quickly (as long as they can avoid stupid debates on meta over edge-cases, the bulk of these flags are pretty obviously valid).

user315433

21:21

@SmokeDetector "My name is Serena Connor"... from a user named "Robert Williams"

Shog9

clearly trying to throw the terminators off the trail

user315433

22:15

> When we designed Stack Overflow I intentionally put author at bottom: you should read the actual content before "deciding" credibility -- Jeff Atwood at 1:58 PM - 4 Jan 2017

user315433

So, Stack Overflow doesn't have a moderation problem. If anything it's slightly over-moderated and under-answered, imo.

user315433

How does 2016 compare to 2015 in answered-ness?

Shog9

@zaq numbers were somewhat wrong there, as I was counting unique posts and not unique flags (or unique comments)

now corrected

the problems that come with pulling a query meant for other purposes out of a pile

user315433

I think the workload of handling these is more correctly measured by posts...

user315433

23:20

If I'm reading this right, it looks like non-Chinese Docs spam is also a thing: stackoverflow.com/documentation/review/changes/120862

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