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12:18 AM
Interesting, somehow I completely missed this:
Q: More AI when questions asked and answers answered

PlasmaHHAfter writing an answer to Let's improve the How to Ask page(s) and thinking about Shog9s comment on Does the broken window theory apply to closing questions? [..] is the root of the issue here; any solution that doesn't stand between an asker and his answer is destined to fail. I though...

@Quill He has an alter ego.
New http://bosun.org graphs showing origin requests spike when we deploy new static assets #monitoringlove https://t.co/ZHX8LXhOFY
Just another day at Stack Overflow - improving a query for the 99.9999% case breaks @jonskeet. https://t.co/w2i0jz91y4
What if new questions from new users started out closed, and would need to be reopened to be answered. There'd be a new close reason just for it. — Servy yesterday
What if we require a linkedin account to login to Stack Overflow?
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1:30 AM
With @sandwich and @bjb568 having switched timezones, the Tavern is quite quiet.
good, now they're closer to my timezones
chirp chirp
I don't think cats chirp.
I've said it in email already, but I want to publicly thank you on behalf of SE for the work you've done as a moderator for Network Engineering. To the rest of folks, your elections will begin on June 13th. — Grace Note ♦ 9 hours ago
Their first election was June 1, 2015; but then again, it was an experiment.
1:32 AM
Hopefully more than 63 people will vote this time.
@sandwich Looks like they have ~460 eligible, vs. the 347 eligible last time.
Are you back at work yet @JamesENL?
I've been back at work since Wednesday
Q: Include the child metas of closed sites in their data dump

Ben NWhen a site fails, its questions and answers (plus some other data) are shoved into a data dump, which is attached to the Area 51 proposal. The associated child meta site, however, is not included (unless I'm missing something obvious). The information on those meta sites could be very useful to...

Interesting, that seems like it goes against the CC licensing.
context: he was one of the top users on Deep Web
1:39 AM
Yeah, I saw the request in the meta answer.
@bjb568 Does Super 8 have 'magic' existence as well? Stay on Main's previous life was Cecil Hotel - the place where multiple series murderers have stayed, multiple of homicides have taken places and there were other freaky coincidences as well ... it's nearly the most famous hotel in the region in the recent years ...
@hichris123 Why? CC license places no obligation on SE to host any content. They can pull the plug on their servers and go home at any time.
Hmm, that is true...
The license says what you can do with the content once you got it; not that someone is obligated to give it to you.
Yeah, I guess I mean more of "goes against the spirit" then. Although probably no one has ever thought of meta providing decent, reusable content.
1:45 AM
What are you talking about? Meta is more fun than main
meta SO in particular.
Monica added her 5th diamond: Moderators Pro Tempore, fusion-style by Shog9 on meta.alcohol.stackexchange.com
Why did you ask the question if you already knew the answer? And, if you already knew the answer, why did you not just make it a wiki post? — TheBat 2 hours ago
@hichris123 ^^^^^^^
@sandwich they need to hire her as a CM already
although finding 5 quality replacements doesnt sound fun...
1:56 AM
CubeDrone is love, CubeDrone is life
@AaronHall ... people love self answers.
@Telkitty Not that I'm aware of.
2:47 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer: Infidelity in marriage by Melisa Walter on buddhism.stackexchange.com
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3:52 AM
like ... patrolling consists of 2 words: 'pat' & 'trolling' ...
who's pat?
A: Is the color code for job ad based on any logic?

Bret CopelandA long time ago, orange and blue were part of an A/B test. Actually, it was a four-way test which also featured a grey header and a "Careers 2.0" logo (the previous standard). Orange and blue performed the best, and roughly equal to each other, so we kept them both. There are tag-themed job ads ...

4:23 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, link following arrow in body: 30 Ideas To Build Muscle Fast by user21667 on arduino.stackexchange.com
sd 2k
4:44 AM
So this is what the Tavern looks like to Australians... (I'm in the Sydney timezone for a few weeks).
Yeah, it's pretty quiet
different hemisphere
Every now and then, you come across a question where you see someone doing something so terribly terribly wrong that you just want to smack their hands off the keyboard and demand they never write software again
Q: Unable to wire Java ServlextContext in tests for Tomcat project

tt_GantzThe problem I'm having is that I autowired the servlet context like in the code below by passing it in the constructor. Unfortunately it can't autowire anything when running a test as there is no ServlextContext and Spring fails. @Autowired public MyClass(ServletContext context) { ...

Case in point
"I want to write a unit test that calls the Tomcat servlet context to do things in the unit test"
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Skinny To Muscle Workout Information For Hardgainers by jordarnjohn on workplace.stackexchange.com
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5:06 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Visual impact was created by Muscle Building Review by gloriards on gaming.stackexchange.com
5:21 AM
@sandwich add a few foreign concepts we'll have 15 years after you and then you got it
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: MegaMaximus Reviews by simonrevilla on gaming.stackexchange.com
in [iOS][Android][ChaosOverFlow] on Stack Overflow Chat, 4 mins ago, by Lara
@ripa have a look at this one: https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-best-online-iOS-programming-courses-for-begin‌​ners
omg omg omg
we need dummies to ask all the important questions that were not already asked on stackexchange ...
5:33 AM
because list questions are not on-topic on SO
maybe need dummies to answer them too ...
is this cheating?
5:35 AM
mirror image
Still better than Yahoo! Answers.
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Follow Poor Carb Weight Diet And Lose Weight Today by kjaleijer on workplace.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted username, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: the influences of subjective issues and mental by seis jurin on superuser.com
6:11 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: http://www.beaudermaskincare.com/zymax-male-enhancement-reviews/ by arringtonsarah on drupal.stackexchange.com
sd 4k
6:33 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: http://supplement4help.com/testx-core/ by Heliya Jil on arduino.stackexchange.com
sd k
I've spent all day trying to setup unit tests and doing product demos to the boss... now all I need is like a "do the cover sheets for the TFS reports" and my day can sink into its absolute lowest
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Weight Loss Guide The Actual Planet Internet by Eterckeno on askubuntu.com (@kos)
sd k
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8:05 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: Ripped Test Ultra Include excellent by Ripped Test Ultra on superuser.com
8:29 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body: One of the most popular names your market by OobiJuxu on apple.stackexchange.com
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10:23 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] All of this user's posts are spam: user 6418972 on stackoverflow.com
10:39 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, link following arrow in body: To buckle down and see some muscle building by nicolaskvanse on superuser.com
10:56 AM
Not sure it was a good idea to post it here -- this question is now featured on the hot meta posts list, so the troll is well-fed. — Frédéric Hamidi 47 mins ago
My thoughts exactly. wingding wants to be detected and flagged, otherwise wouldn't be using the same username, etc.
@Quill George A Duckett did this for pretty much all sites except the largest. Jon Ericson even reviewed one of "his" "books" on Amazon, jericson.github.io/2016/02/19/duckett_review.html
11:21 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer, link at end of answer: Elevating user experience issues by Elanthendral on ux.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in body: Ripped Test Ultra Set up a by maryhinerman on askubuntu.com (@kos)
11:39 AM
I remember the blog post vaguely
Also the eBay version is twice the price of the Amazon version.
a lot of the times amazon doesn't sell the goods to Australia
I saw some awesome hiking gears on amazon, but can't be shipped to here
1:03 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: "Up" button which scrolls page to the top by Ray Nee on ux.stackexchange.com
People who used the VS 2015 RC (Enterprise SKU) have expired. They now have to completely uninstall VS 2015 RTM and re-install. That's BS.
So sorry to hear about those people.
Very very sorry.
1:22 PM
1:45 PM
I was going to eat them, but, sigh, if in doubt…
You were going to eat what exactly?
Soylent Green is a 1973 American science fiction thriller film directed by Richard Fleischer and starring Charlton Heston, Leigh Taylor-Young, and, in his final film, Edward G. Robinson. The film combines the police procedural and science fiction genres, depicting the investigation into the murder of a wealthy businessman in a dystopian future suffering from pollution, overpopulation, depleted resources, poverty, dying oceans, and year-round humidity due to the greenhouse effect. Much of the population survives on processed food rations, including "soylent green". The film, which is loosely based...
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Lost contact on iPhone! Any way to recover? by Joe Mark on apple.stackexchange.com
Eat the rich cheesecake?
2:36 PM
@Telkitty dammit. I'm hungry now
3:28 PM
@SmokeDetector del why did you post in here?
@hichris123 Deleted too quickly, deletion event wasn't observed.
@sandwich But it was.
... however, metasmoke is down. :/
@sandwich metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/30198 records the deletion time.
3:45 PM
I think the tl;dr from This Week on mSO is: "everyone has ideas, everyone thinks they know how to solve the problem, but none are feasible/will solve the problem"
Or, "Problem solving is hard"
Yeah, that's probably a better summary. :)
FR: weekly newsletters for meta sites
One idea I do think that would be easy to do (however how much it would solve anything...) is adding more posts to the First Posts/Late Answers queue. And for closed posts, Reopen Votes is usually fairly empty (although not recently).
Today's xkcd comic (My Friend Catherine):
4:04 PM
Hmm, what do you do with a question like this? stackoverflow.com/posts/37613406/revisions
closed as off-topic Huhhhhhh ... they are drunk sometimes — Umair Jun 30 '15 at 7:50
Well, I sure hope a Cupcake doesn't drink all of the time. A soggy cupcake is not tasty.
Did you tweak the criteria for Reopen Votes, @Shog9? Or are people just slow to review?
@hichris123 not recently
I guess people are just slow to review then.
Current status: upgrading our last internal SQL server to 2016 RTM. User-facing production tomorrow night. https://t.co/gaCUcuJXPo
4:48 PM
Anybody know the canonical question detailing why questions asking what something is called are off topic? Can't seem to find the damned thing...
I didn't know you still visited these places, @Won't.
There is a blog post: Let's Play The Guessing Game
5:31 PM
@JonEricson They managed to close my question as a dupe. In my defense, the dupe target was ungoogleable. Doesn't that hurt my record? I wanted to get the Socratic badge, but I think it's ridiculously hard, especially in Python.
@AaronHall I can't remember off the top of my head if we made an exception for duplicate closures. Let me find the query to see how close you are.
@AaronHall So you have a solid record of asking and closed questions aren't going to hurt you too much. (The criteria is mostly designed to prevent people having the negative-closed-deleted trifecta from getting the curious badge.) Unfortunately, it does mean you didn't make any progress that day. You need 10 more days for the silver badge.
oh, neat.
I don't care that it wasn't progress, I just need to know that making a concerted effort isn't going to actually hurt me.
6:13 PM
@hichris123 thanks! I do sometimes, but I don't have the time to spare, mostly... Appreciate.
6:38 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps answer, few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer: What factors affect the velocity of an object moving down an inclined plane? by baller on physics.stackexchange.com
that ^ needs flags
sd k
7:13 PM
Why is there a LastChangeDate (DateTime?) and a LastChanged (long?) in IndexMetadata?
8:01 PM
Apr 8 '15 at 21:00, by Jason C
You guys have such realistic dreams. Last night all I did was turn into a cartoon cat and run down a big hill. I also have vague memories of cows bouncing on trampolines.
The Tavern is so depressing without Jason.
Yeah, don't expect much from me ... sorry.
@rene That's... weird. Why don't you ask him?
I don't have a twitter account?
Well, I think you can solve that problem...
Or do you now have to pay $5 and get an SMS verification code?
Not all problems need to be solved ...
I could ask on MSE ...
8:04 PM
Aww, come on, are you saying that a flower doesn't need to be on Twitter?
Yes, I never understood where it was for
Some people are still in the dark ages... do you have any social media accounts?
@hichris123 you don't know the dark ages, my young friend ;)
Well, it depends how much shorter flower years are than human years. :P
8:09 PM
Is this working for anybody? meta.tor.stackexchange.com
@kenorb cert error
Ok, my mistake, http works fine, https is broken, I think it's by design.
“serverless” is another way of saying “we’ve added so many layers, we don’t know which way is up anymore."
403 forbidden from cloudflare
Q: Accessing per-site metas gives 403 forbidden from cloudflare-nginx

Deer HunterClicking on https://meta.space.stackexchange.com/ doesn't connect me with the meta S.Ex.SE site. EDIT: For some entry points, no meta site can be reached. Observation courtesy Gilles. I consider it a pity that the devs have not paid attention to this issue nor have indicated that they noted the...

8:12 PM
The nginx error pages have a minimalist style ...
Although, with the sites that have transitioned to Fastly, this works. ex. meta.serverfault.com
And they just got a new SSL certificate a bit ago:
DNS Name=*.stackexchange.com
DNS Name=stackexchange.com
DNS Name=stackoverflow.com
DNS Name=*.stackoverflow.com
DNS Name=stackauth.com
DNS Name=sstatic.net
DNS Name=*.sstatic.net
DNS Name=serverfault.com
DNS Name=*.serverfault.com
DNS Name=superuser.com
DNS Name=*.superuser.com
DNS Name=stackapps.com
DNS Name=openid.stackauth.com
DNS Name=*.meta.stackexchange.com
DNS Name=meta.stackexchange.com
DNS Name=mathoverflow.net
DNS Name=*.mathoverflow.net
DNS Name=askubuntu.com
DNS Name=*.askubuntu.com
So we are going to transition to *.meta.stackexchange.com
In Meta News Daily:
A: Include the child metas of closed sites in their data dump

Shog9Should be in the same zip file as the main site's data.

@hichris123 and then break the internet with dead-links?
Apparently so. (or have some form of redirecting, but that wouldn't work with HTTPS...)
That was one of the major issues, IIRC
and the reason to postpone
Time is not helpful in this case.
Hmm, people talking about the Informed badge made me wonder if people who read the tour have better questions than an average new user.
8:24 PM
@hichris123 Fastly does have servers in AMS-IX so I'm good
@hichris123 what is an average new user?
Well, they must be very... average...
SELECT * FROM USERS WHERE AVERAGE Like '%what he ^ says%'
You left out a ' there...
that was a test ...
I failed
Better luck next time.
8:33 PM
Yeah, that is what you earn in the end if you stay there for 75 years
Apparently so.
stackoverflow.com/questions/37604701/… someone wanted to jump the gun on [ios10] questions
[letters-and-numbers] are you kidding me?
@hichris123 It is not yet announced that they will skip ahead to [ios1337]?
Some people just can't guess well.
@hichris123 Only 28 ... that is doable ... I did web2.0 yesterday and my Meta answer got a downvote ....
yay. Well, let's get started.
A lot of these I think are off-topic. Like stackoverflow.com/questions/1316613/….
8:45 PM
@hichris123 you can drop an informal request in SOCVR ...
An "informal" request? "Hey, I just dropped in here to make a request... don't pay too much attention to me..."
tags with a low number of questions don't need a meta post but can need some extra hands/eyes/flags/votes
I see. Well, I'll take a glance through to see if it's worth it.
I'm out for the night. Let me know if I need to filter on that tag in the CVQ tomorrow @hichris123
Okay, night. :)
10:07 PM
Q: Scammer spam autocompleted when entering team name in profile

Jeremy Banks When I type "Google" into the team name section in the Career tab of my Stack Overflow profile, all of the suggestions are advertisements for known scammers. I would suggest that this is bad.

11:01 PM
What is that... Spammers infiltrated Careers.
11:20 PM
@sandwich Yep. I guess they got tired of spamming the regular site.
In any case, it's happy hour!
Oh, well, since you're around @Shog9, can I ask you to run some stats for me?
you can ask...
Basically what you did here but for users with the Informed badge. I assume those turn out better but I'd like some data to back that up.
@hichris123 so, users who had the badge before asking their first question? Or just questions posted after earning the badge?
11:36 PM
@Shog9 Hrm, probably users who had the badge before asking their first question.
@hichris123 k. Post a comment there so I don't forget.
Is it professional courtesy to tell my project lead that I did a demo for the boss when he wasn't in?
11:45 PM
Happy hour at 9am on Saturday doesn't compute.
Interesting stats compiled by Jon here: meta.stackexchange.com/a/279918 I think they were already available from SEDE, but it's nice to have cross-network comparison in the same spreadsheet.
There are only two graduated sites with < 100 median views: SoftwareRecs (57) and Mathematics (78)
Well, I don't know about SO since it's not included.

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