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14:00
Just done up a thing to check for replies to smokey messages
!!/alive
@UnitedStatesOfAmerica You doubt me?
@SmokeDetector Yes, where's the spam?
@SmokeDetector Give me spam
@UnitedStatesOfAmerica See if you can log in when it's early morning in China or Russia. That seems to be when a lot of the spam comes in.
K, thanks
Well I most likely can't
I will be in school
Only during hols
Hold on...
I could come in during my CMP lesson
I always end up with so much extra free time
14:17
Alternatively, you could drop out of school.
Spam is important!
I can't
But...
I could get out my old computer and run the flagger bot on it once its done
Get 15 rep on travel and drupal
Hi wats base64
idk either
Lol
status-bad-service
Most of my Github home is spammed by @Bjb and his DevDoodle
Not complaining
@UnitedStatesOfAmerica You mean the teamfreehugs.github.io mentioned in your profile?
This
It's just the cat
I hate how my first 5 commits are sorting out files
!!/brownie
@S.L.Barth Brown!
14:31
Ok, Smokey's still alive, it's just the spammers who are lazy.
:(
I'm going to sleep
Sleep well!
Dream well!
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Font-face not working in IE, otf font by yousefdalati on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in answer: Font face is not working on IE browser by yousefdalati on stackoverflow.com
Is he spamming the site?
14:38
@Bart yes indeed. One answer might still be innocent, but more than one proves he's a spammer
sd- 2tpu
Okay, flagged
user259867
I'm not sure, duplicate answers aren't always spam. But still bad.
Sad part is that he's member for 43 days which most likely means he spammed before, and nobody nuked the account
and as usual vote trolls upvoted his spam. sigh
@ShadowWizard I wasn't willing to spam flag that, I did custom flag though.
@durron597 custom flag means 6-8 days until a mod will see it, if not 6-8 weeks... :/
14:41
Do mods get a pretty clear flag of some sort regarding spam deleted posts? I've often noticed on various sites when mods don't seem to be around at the time the accounts often aren't nuked.
@PeterJ as far as I know, if it gets nuked before they see it, they don't get notified.
@PeterJ what Bart said ^
:)
Thanks, that seems to match up with what I've seen
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: The materials that April and Curt had discussed by yoma khan on drupal.stackexchange.com
@Shadow just noticed my spam post was marked helpful on those two posts but they aren't deleted?
14:49
Mod intervened then I guess.
@Bart He deleted and undeleted them.
They're gone to 20k deletes now.
Ah, dang
Hmm, didn't I post a feature request about that behaviour ...
Ah nope, that was about close/delete votes
14:53
That handling of spam flags would suck even more on small sites where it'd be unusual to have any 20k users voting to delete
@PeterJ yeah, unless moderator explicitly decline the flags, they're marked helpful when the post is deleted
@ShadowWizard The good thing about custom flagging here is that I'm still pending, so a moderator may come along and nuke the account in a few hours.
@durron597 maybe, but all my custom flags on SO took long days to get handled. Think the fastest was something like 3 days, slowest was 3 weeks or even more.
That's because you're put on the "special" track. :p
hmm... @Bart can we still view the good old flag weight somehow?
Don't think so. Afaik that was nuked even behind the scenes.
You could calculate it though
@ShadowWizard I had one last night resolved in 2 hours.
@SmokeDetector ignore not phone number, error code
@ShadowWizard Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.
14:58
I'm sure data explorer would have a script for it @ShadowWizard?
@Bart well, I know who will surely know...
summons @rene
:D
@ShadowWizard 10k link
Nice new avatar @JonEr, see your kid grew up! :)
[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in body: Solve the laplace transform t^2*sin(2t)? by sidney on math.stackexchange.com
15:01
@Bart I can't imagine that it's completely gone. I'm sure the old metric is gone / changed, but there's no way they're treating a flag from 100 rep / 5 helpful flags the same as 20000 rep / 1000 helpful flags
@durron597 #askadev
Anyone know of any latest developed IRC endpoints for connecting to SE / SO chat I could fork to build my own?
@Bart I would, but they wouldn't answer, probably. They don't want anyone to be able to game the system
@ShadowWizard Different kid. ;-) He's 12. The twins are 2.
I'm sure all of them are unmaintained by now
15:03
@JonEricson oh, lol. Thought you found some secret potion. ;)
@ShadowWizard you rang?
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: PHP SUBMIT ERROR by Buzz Black on stackoverflow.com
@rene yup
@durron597 The system does some kind of black magic with the ordering.
From what I can tell it's ordered by flag date, with spam at the top
so @rene you remember flag weight?
15:04
@ShadowWizard to slingshot them into puberty? Not sure that's going to be a popular potion.
@ShadowWizard yeah, but you can't calculate flag weight per user because that is private and not in SEDE
@Bart with some improvement, it can take them even further :D
@rene oh, too bad... :/
@durron597 well, maybe easy cases are handled fast :)
In the votes table the userid is null for votetypeid in (2,3)
@Undo I'm sure the flag volume on SO is so much higher than on SR that there's more magic that's hard to see b/c low sample
@durron597 Sure
15:08
@JonEricson while you're here, if you have a second, any updates on this one, over a month later?
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A: Opt in "mentor" privilege at 7.5k

Jon EricsonI'd like to float a modified version of this idea as a 30k (10k beta) privilege. Problem statement Stack Exchange sites (and especially Stack Overflow) intimidate new users who might become exceptional contributors if only they got over the hump of asking and answering questions. Meanwhile, top...

@ShadowWizard Yes. I'm working on it. I have a spec that I'm going to be circulating to the community team this week. (Today, ideally.) I'm awfully excited about it, but (as always) there are some tricky details that need ironing out.
@JonEricson awesome! Good luck with that, think it's really a great idea. :)
@Frank won't like that...
in Shadow's Den, 2 mins ago, by Praxis Ashelin
chainsaws tree in half
going back to the Den
user259867
@SmokeDetector fp-
No further comment:
public SPGroup GetByName(string name)

internal SPGroup GetByNameNoThrow(string name)
...
Now, can you guess what I was trying to do?
15:35
@ShadowWizard NOOOOOOOOOOOO
tell him he is better than that
@NormalHuman Do you know why cirrusfitness.com is blacklisted?
@ShadowWizard My custom flag was handled on that spammer dude, and his account has been deleted.
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: Google Glass for Fire Department of Brasilia by Rodrigo Costa on stackoverflow.com
@UnitedStatesOfAmerica Why does it show all that?
Like every push.
Ya know what I said in english?
Holden alienates himself from society because he's depressed. But he's depressed because he's alienated from society, so his problems self-perpetuate.
15:51
221/500 for illuminator on GL
I'm in the lead by 183
You have 183 extra leaves?
65 of 500 towards Illuminator on Super User. Got a long way to go.
15:56
@PeterJ oops did bad math
[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer: How can I play the Stop it Slender workshop? by rhys on gaming.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector tpu
@durron597 Blacklisted user.
Beat me to it.
[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in body, blacklisted user: can somebody explain Green's theorem to me in a simple way because i have an exam tomorrow by sidney on math.stackexchange.com
15:57
I'm 221/500 on GL, which isn't much, but it is 192 ahead of the next one
I gave up on trying to understand string diffs, just used OPC.
@SmokeDetector Why would someone bother to edit that?
@durron597 There is no why data for that post (anymore).
@SmokeDetector ha.
16:00
Today's xkcd comic (Squirrelphone):
After a while, the squirrel starts making that beeping noise and doesn't stop until it hops back up onto the stump.
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16:13
@Frank not "him", "her" :)
@durron597 hmm... OK then, I stand corrected :)
@ShadowWizard You bought a back brace?
@ShadowWizard right ho
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Invalid appsecret_proof provided in the API argument by Kleber on stackoverflow.com
@ShadowWizard I saw that once I went into the den ha
scared everyone out.
@Frank well, you are big. And silent. Usually. :P
@durron597 sure did!
16:18
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HI! URGENT ALL MY BACKGROUND BANNERS STOP WORKING by Pamu on stackoverflow.com
@ShadowWizard lol
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: MYSQL UNION GROUP BY by psegovias on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: TACACS with juniper Devices by Mukesh_the_leo on networkengineering.stackexchange.com
16:40
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Q: Preventing all-caps question titles and bodies

Pascal CuoqI believe that already, there are some words that are mechanically forbidden in StackOverflow question titles. The words “question” and “problem” must be two, because you sometimes see them spelt strangely in order to circumvent the protection. Something that I think would be useful, that corres...

user259867
@durron597 It's not blacklisted. The report says "pattern-matching", and that's all it is. It's a site with 2nd level domain containing "fitness".
@NormalHuman ahhhhh thanks
user259867
If a particular pattern becomes annoying because of fps, it will need a tweak. There's always this balance between minimizing false positives and catching stuff with domains that haven't been seen yet.
Edit and answer 500 questions (both actions within 12 hours, answer score > 0).
gotta do one answer/edit every 1.44 minutes during that 24hr period.
jk
17:01
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: How would society change around a benevolent Superintelligent AI? by corwin zelazney on worldbuilding.stackexchange.com
user259867
17:20
I wrote a query recently deleted posts with spam flags, which seems to work for identifying such posts but the flag count is always shown as 1. :)
user259867
@Undo ^ this is the query for deleted spam. Never mind the "1" column.
user259867
Actually, I should edit this to link to revision history directly, saving a click.
My first attempt at SEDE graphing has not gone very well
@NormalHuman Oh, cool.
This'll be fun to thumb through looking for stuff to feed Smokey
user259867
Definitely. I now changed the query to link directly to revision history (and got rid of the useless "count" column)
My second attempt has gone even worse
user259867
17:29
What query are you trying to graph?
Although it looks like some kind of spaghetti alien, which should count for something.
@NormalHuman Trying to graph spam by date, but I wanna figure it out on my own ;)
oh, duh
the graph is jumping around because there's no ordering on the rows :/
@NormalHuman ^ Heh
user259867
Impressive.
@NormalHuman Why are all the posts having only 1 spam flag?
Sounds fishy
user259867
Maybe Community clears other flags and casts its own? Just a guess. I thought it was because I couldn't count, but...
@NormalHuman That's how it works in the system from what I've seen, but I still wouldn't expect it to clear everything else
Odd
Maybe it's just getting censored out of the dump
17:41
@Undo It's a spam "vote". At one point all flags were recorded in the table for votes. I'm not sure how useful that data is for recent spam...
user259867
@NormalHuman: I was a bit surprised that votes for deleted posts existed, but I don't think they were added as a part of this change. From what I can tell looking at the revision history, votes on deleted post have been available since the beginning. (Don't hold me to that, however. I'm a bit rusty reading other people's code. ;) — Jon Ericson ♦ 4 mins ago
user259867
I read and wrote a bunch of times on metas, when analysing vote stats: "votes on deleted posts are not included, this is why there is a spike in downvotes in the last month"...
user259867
Oh, I see: if a post acquires enough spam flags (recorded in PendingFlags or some such table), the Community casts a Vote with TypeId = 12. (If I understood correctly)
user259867
Great, so now we can have a query for top-voted or top-favored deleted posts, and squabble over their deletion.
user259867
(Or hopefully not.)
user259867
17:50
@SmokeDetector fp-
[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in body: ПустоПустоПусто by Darkness on ru.stackoverflow.com
user259867
@SmokeDetector rolled back
user259867
18:26
@SmokeDetector why
@NormalHuman Body - Position 107-117: testout.co
user259867
@SmokeDetector fp- will fix
@SmokeDetector Closed as too broad primarily opinion-based.
Russian: необходимо переформулировать вопрос так, чтобы можно было дать однозначно верный ответ
user259867
"I want to write a Java program" is a bad way to begin a question. Continuing with "that will read a file and ..." doesn't help.
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Мы не код-записи службы.
We are not a code-writing service.
user259867
18:31
POB doesn't fit, though. "Question generates endless debates and discussions...' I don't see any.
user259867
(It's written in present tense, as if the debates already began.)
18:43
32k RAM, Address 1
- Bus LED display
user259867
@SmokeDetector fp-
:3968949 Any title starting with Q: is rejected
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: unknown filesystem.... grub by Mario Hintermegg on askubuntu.com
19:03
Awww, the twitter follower guy didn't get my message :(
@DragonLordtheFiery [:3968958] Body - Position 842-849: fucking
It's been edited out within the grace period.
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: How would society change around a benevolent Superintelligent AI? by corwin zelazney on worldbuilding.stackexchange.com
@NormalHuman I'd like to tweet this one. It's 129 characters; is there a way to attribute it to you in 11 characters or less?
user259867
19:15
A short link to the Tavern?
Links have fixed length in Twitter. 11 characters is not enough.
user259867
Then no attribution is fine.
user259867
Consider it licensed under WTFPL.
Hm, I'll add attribution in another Tweet. I don't want to take credit for someone else's witticisms.
user259867
That works too. I hear Twitter has some fancy tweet-linking UI nowadays.
19:20
If I'm not mistaken, the chat transcript is CC-wiki
user259867
Yes, but the author can publish under another license too.
Whatever the license is, I feel attribution the appropriate thing to do.
@Undo @hichris123 @ProgramFOX any ideas about this
@rene Smokey is the perfect platform, but I don't know if we want to move away from detecting spam
OK
user259867
SE has built-in tag filters, which I think are easier to maintain.
user259867
If the goal is to close those questions, rather than spam-flag them, then there is less urgency, so real-time notifications aren't needed.
I've been thinking about building a "Lyme detector" bot a la Smokey.
@NormalHuman Yeah, that came to my mind just after I posted here
@NormalHuman closing will be the goal
Hm, we have the SOCVR room and the Close Votes Review Queue. Would a bot really help?
19:30
Sometimes the spam is so flooding it interrupts active conversation. Now imagine the horror where we'll have similar bots for VLQ stuff, bad tags etc.
At one point I was thinking of adding a queue for questions which historically performed very bad (ie, X% closed, deleted and/or unanswered), but in those cases we should just reject those questions more strongly. — Braiam 57 secs ago
user259867
@S.L.Barth The Close Vote queue suffers from loads of "meh" stuff that isn't really a priority.
user259867
(I don't have 3K on SO, but I use API to see what gets close votes)
@S.L.Barth I imagine the reports come in as cv-pls requests in the SOCVR room
I've only visited it a few times. Usually Smokey keeps me busy enough.
Already CV'd that one.
19:47
Ok, it's got one more close vote... 3 down, 2 to go...
user259867
@SmokeDetector ignore-
user259867
Count of spam posts according to this query: Stack Overflow: 11935. Super User: 5661. Meta: 2970. Ask Ubuntu: 2855. Drupal: 2825.
user259867
Do these seem low?
We need moar.
20:02
@NormalHuman Seems low
Smokey has caught ~2k posts in the last two weeks
Smokey has posted 138k things on SE chat
@DragonLordtheFiery Is now
user259867
17
A: Can some metadata about deleted posts be included in Data.SE?

Jon EricsonYes We've added a new table called PostsWithDeleted that includes metadata from all posts, including the deleted ones. If the post is deleted, we've nulled out all fields except: ID PostTypeId ParentId CreationDate DeletionDate That's helpful for doing meaningful research that requires looki...

user259867
@DragonLordtheFiery Since you have 10K on SU, you may enjoy this list of deleted spam there.
Not every spam post is deleted as spam. From what I can tell, posts from users destroyed by mods are simply deleted by Community.
@DragonLordtheFiery There's a spam flag there
The first item on data.stackexchange.com/softwarerecs/query/364942/… was unilaterally destroyed by yours truly
user259867
@Undo You mean you didn't flag the post itself?
20:07
Ohh, I misunderstood
Data seems to be outdated.
user259867
Many mods probably destroy users, in which case the post is simply deleted, not spam-locked-deleted.
...and that's precisely what I said.
@NormalHuman On large sites, yeah
user259867
So basically, we get only the posts that were spam-flagged to death by community, plus those where a mod used a spam flag of their own.
20:09
I still have a hard time believing that we only have 11k of those on SO
user259867
Sounds like we need a feature request: automatic vote of type 12 by Community on every post of a user destroyed as a spammer.
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Q: Let me spam-flag all of a user's posts directly from the destroy popup

UndoCurrently, the procedure for dealing with a spammer is this: Find spammer Go through all the spammer's posts Undelete the ones that aren't spam-flagged, then re-flag them with your binding moderator flag - this is so that the system can learn to block the spammer Actually destroy the user. ...

I do go through all the posts I can see from a spammer (or spam ring) and flag all those that I can identify as spam. At times, this has led me to flag dozens of posts.
Hee MadSci is always there to make you realize what you had in mind wasn't the best idea ever.
user259867
No checkboxes in this chat.
user259867
20:17
Nov 25 '14 at 22:34, by Shog9
Also, checkbox options tend to be... Well, ideally they're used when there are two contradictory but equally-valid options and which one is appropriate depends heavily on the situation. In practice, they're often used when someone is unwilling to find a solution that takes context into account without forcing a conscious decision and punts - with the end-result being a feature that no one uses and catches folks off-guard when it is used.
user259867
That said, the destroy dialog has "spam OR nonsense".
user259867
I think this may be diminishing the usefulness. Nonsense can be coming from anywhere where someone got access to a computer/phone a bit too early.
Some tips to help you catch tricky spam: meta.superuser.com/questions/10727/…
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: SUBJECT OMISSION by Caian Dorneles on english.stackexchange.com
20:24
@DragonLordtheFiery If you don't buy Test X factor Xplode, you're gonna xplode.
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user259867
On Math, a mod recently went to flag each of 31 posts of a spammer; took him over 10 minutes.
in Root Access on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Feb 2 at 4:05, by DragonLord
apowersoft.com, screenshot.net, downloadavideo.net. 33 flags, 8 users, three major domains. BUSTED.
Fighting spam FTM. (For the marshal)
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M For the marshal?
20:34
I earned my Marshal badge a long time ago.
I know, but unfortunately any cooler badge is nonexistent.
user259867
Wasn't there one like that already?
user259867
20:47
user259867
@SmokeDetector fp-
that moment when a student in precalculus goes "8 times 3 is 21"
user259867
90% of the time when I start working on a question in Stack Overflow, it turns into a radar instead. -- Brian Nickel at 1:52 PM - 16 Sep 2015 via Twitter
user259867
A radar?
user259867
an object-detection system that uses radio waves to determine the range, angle, or velocity of objects. [Wikipedia]
21:04
@Doorknob ... might explain why some projects that require 3 devs for 8 hours are always over budget...
21:15
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: CYGWIN SSHD DISCONNECTING by user3338098 on serverfault.com
I recall we had a similar post like this one (swearing and stuff in it). What was the verdict on how to handle that?
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Profanity Regex not working by Anthony Russell on stackoverflow.com
@DragonLordtheFiery [:3970046] Registered answer as false positive and whitelisted user.
21:24
Report it, then explicitly declare it as a false positive.
user259867
Is there a reason?
Whitelisting the user should prevent erroneous alerts from being generated.
user259867
Answers by users with > 50 rep are not reported.
Or you could just add the user as a whitelisted user...
(if they're not 50+ rep, like Normal Human said)
user259867
21:27
@hichris123 That would only whitelist their username
user259867
Unless I misunderstood how it works.
@NormalHuman Oh right... still not sure I'm in love with that change.
21:58
[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer: How to launch Internet Explorer from the command prompt? by anonymous on superuser.com
user259867
@SmokeDetector ignore- ninja-edited by OP
user259867
The original version was "Hi i like cheeseHi i like cheeseHi i like cheeseHi i like cheeseHi i like cheese"
22:16
@NormalHuman lol
22:27
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Can "sufficient" be used in a negative sense? by elver galarga on english.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector tpu-
^ abusive
user259867
@SmokeDetector informative...
22:59
Why is it that my deletion countdown got to the end and then all of a sudden there is a button to delete and the countdown starts again?
one of the sites was deleted at the end of the countdown, but the other 6 remain
@santiago Probably needs to be manually reviewed... (if you have more than x rep or x votes it's set aside for a CM to look at, etc)
user259867
Back in my days we had no fancy countdowns, and had to bug Comm. Team directly...
@NormalHuman don't care
Huh... that's... interesting.
Might want to poke a CM about this @santiago.
user259867
Even earlier, flagging for a mod was all it took. Life was simpler back then...
user259867
23:04
Until this happened:
user259867
61
A: Why is "Gone" completely gone?

Shog9The simplest answer is that this deletion was a mistake. There are protocols for deleting users with that much activity on the site, and they weren't followed. As a result, we're doing two things: Restoring the account from backups. Building extra checks into the software to reduce the likelih...

Or maybe wait a few minutes/hours. I forget if there's a set time where accounts are deleted.
@NormalHuman don't care about the history of it
@hichris123 will do\
[handled] can I please get my account deletions seen to? for the above reason
anyway, got more important things to do, thank you @hichris123 for attempting to answer my questions\
No problem. :)
23:20
@santiago done.
@NormalHuman User is not blacklisted.
Not blacklisted. The question title is marked bad.
user259867
Oh, that. Okay, almost forgot about that feature.
23:28
If I wanted to blacklist the user, I would have used trueu, not true.
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