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Hrm I don't suppose there's any good way to compress audio, pictures, and video?

@hichris123 mp4?

@2mkgz cool. Even a gas-powered toothbrush counts then

@hichris123 where have you been since 1980?

5:04 PM

I've only been alive for around half that time, so...

you live in the Era of Compressed Audio, Pictures, and Video

@Unihedron I could try re-encoding the videos...

encoding is good

it wastes computation power and time cuz aint nobody got time for that :D

@yellowantphil Well, I have some avi's, some bmp's, some mov's...

@hichris123 any compression should work OK on an uncompressed format, I would think.

the cool kids use xz

5:10 PM

will Roomba delete this? stackoverflow.com/q/24044802/792066

no, since it has an accepted answer.

@hichris123 I don’t know how you’re calculating compression ratios, but I have a FLAC file that is 60% of the original WAV file. I wouldn’t expect a better lossless compression than that for most music.

[ SmokeDetector ] Nested quote blocks in body: Simple.Data > Object inside another object not populated by Kevin on stackoverflow.com

Mm, I won't bother right now about media, then.

noooo I hit my limit on triage reviews before running out of flags

I could have flagged some of them outside of triage

5:31 PM

"I've copy-n-pasted together a bunch of code and it don't work" -> 3 out of 5 questions on the android tag. And I'm pretty sure we could say the same for quite a few more high traffic tags. — 2Dee 2 days ago

Sadly yeah.

the best questions are the ones that ask for more code that they can copy and paste

Go take a look at the php tag, it's worse than android..

eh. depends on the day.

the flagging history doesn’t show disputed spam flags

@yellowantphil it... does

5:35 PM

@hichris123 People should post more along the lines of "I've put together some code, but it gives me this error when I run it. Here is the code section that causes the problem. I use version X.X of module Y, for programming language Z. Where did I go wrong, and how do I fix it?"

@Braiam ^ my other spam flag was disputed

Hmm...
7 = 5 + 1
7 = 6
...
2 = 1

QED

do other people see disputed spam flags in their stats?

@ASCIIThenANSI WHAT

MIND = BLOWN

problem, math?

5:37 PM

I thought that spam flags are either declined or helpful, not disputed .. ?

@JonasCz I flagged something as spam in triage, and when the triage closed it was disputed

Q: Disputed flags count for spam, offensive and comments flags missing in flagging history

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In the flag summary page, the flagging history shows the disputed flags count for moderator attention flags but not for spam, offensive and comments flags. I request the community to show that count for those flag types too.

@JonasCz no

A: Missing entry in flagging history

I misidentified that question as spam, so it’s a good thing it didn’t make its way to a mod

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You have one spam flag that was dismissed as disputed. Unfortunately there is no counter for disputed flags on spam and offensive at the moment. It's pretty rare that those flags get marked in such a way. The moderator that reviewed the flag opted to clear the spam/offensive flags from the post,...

^ I was just lucky, I guess

user259867

> Back in the BBS era, "abusers" were proud to be called as such. textfiles.com/bbs/abusebbs.txt … -- Tim Post at 9:48 AM - 2 May 2015 via Twitter

5:40 PM

you should see mine I have many disputed spam flags

user259867

> LOOK AT THE BBS, IF IT'S A TYPE OF BBS WHICH HAS NOTHING, LIKE THE
BBS IS RUNNING ON A 9600 BAUD AND 80 MEG HD BUT HAS LESS FILES THEN
WHAT YOU ERASE EACH DAY, THEY SHOULD BE HIT GOOD.

@ASCIIThenANSI The problem is a lot of these "programmers" don't understand the basic concepts of programming. I myself fell into this category when I first joined SO. Someone in this category needs more help than "here's what's wrong with your code".

Well then.
227 = 210 + 4 = 214
52 = 47 + 1 = 48

Math is fun.

Hi all! Are there any rules against leaving bad questions open, so I can quote them? I've noticed a user on RU.SO who constantly disagrees with others in the review queue: leaves bad questions open, votes for opening bad questions etc. He votes against closing in like 90% of cases. I've reported this in RU.SO's chat, but the only moderator who was there didn't care and other users were mostly against me.

"It's just his opinion!", "There're no rules against disagreeing with everyone else!", "Freedom of speech!" and other crazy phrases like this. So what I really need is meta post or FAQ page or something else which says that reviews are for checking whether posts follow rules, not for expressing opinion about rules. Are there any?

5:46 PM

@Athari are those questions really outside the scope of the site? maybe you would want to address that

@Athari If the community leaves quality at bay, they will pay.

@Braiam The user voted against closing a question like "I've downloaded NT 4.0 from torrents, how do I compile it?"

@Athari but the rest vote the same way?

@Braiam Others voted to close it, of course. But they don't see anything wrong with "another opinion".

@Athari well, luckily he doesn't know how the edit bottom works ;)

5:52 PM

I've tried saying that this user would have been review-banned on SO thanks to failed review audits, but others said there're no review audits on RU.SO (it's in beta), so rules from review audits don't apply. :-/

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/30005330/465378 mvce

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website: What are the ingredients used in Biogeniste? by Valorie Sharp on stackoverflow.com

@Athari well, if you tried to get in touch with him, explaining why those questions are bad (citing FAQ, site scope, etc.) and that didn't work, the next step would be gathering information about egregious reviews and pass along that into a moderator flag.

@FOX9000 tpu spam

@ASCIIThenANSI Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

5:58 PM

@ASCIIThenANSI mm... I don't think Smokey would gather that

@Braiam The problem is, there's a moderator who approves this behavior...

@Braiam And that user already posted a discussion on meta ("Why is everyone closing so many opinion based posts?" or something like this) and people there expressed their opinions, mostly that rules are rules.

cv-plz offsite stackoverflow.com/questions/2529206/…

@ASCIIThenANSI

perl -e'printf 37.100.32.105.115.37.115.32.112.114.105.109.101.46.10=>$_=>(1x$_)=~/^1$|^(11+)\1‌+$/&&110.39.116 for 1..shift' $$

I have 20 pending flags from the last hour, and 3 helpful ⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚑⚐⚐⚐

Feeds

We are about to shift the database backends over for everything except Stack Overflow. The outage will be only a few seconds.

Tweeted by StackStatus on May 2, 2015 at 6:09 PM

6:12 PM

Don’t worry. That one won’t run sudo. Maybe.

Sedraboc.

user259867

@Braiam This is the review in question: ru.stackoverflow.com/review/close/7581

user259867

And the history of the user's reviews: ru.stackoverflow.com/users/178988/…

@FOX9000 gone

user259867

@Athari As long as it's just one user who acts this way, and the rest vote to close, I'd leave it be. They'll probably get tired of pointless clicking in the review queue.

> frozen because of the subject matter incomprehensible user Athari , a_gura , Yura Ivanov , soon , dimka3210 11:00 ago

Please specify what the problem is, or specify additional information to make it clear what exactly is the question. Now almost impossible to understand exactly what you're asking. To understand how to properly execute questions, please visit " asking questions ".
If this question can be reformulated in accordance with the rules set out in the Help , edit it .

On ru.SO, we "execute" questions.

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Jan Dvorak

6:25 PM

but only if they don't get frozen in the meantime

I'd love "subject matter incomprehensible" on SO, though

@JanDvorak Sounds like "unclear what you're asking" but more entertainingly blunt. :P

Jan Dvorak

IKR :-)

@hichris123 so... they got the big guns?

user259867

Eeek @hichris has >3K meta rep.

Feeds

Failover happening now - we'll be right back.

Tweeted by StackStatus on May 2, 2015 at 6:28 PM

6:31 PM

My laptop blue-screened with the 0xdeaddead error code. I left it unattended for a while, maybe it was bored to dead.

@tchrist I really want to ask if you're actually running Darwin. Knowing you, I'm positive you're just screwing with me, but running pure Darwin would be quite an achievement. :P

@AlexisKing But dear, I barely know you. That seems a lot for a first date.

@2mkgz I know. I'm scared. I should probably go place a bounty.

@JanDvorak Apparently so.

@rene That's... an error code?

I am disappoint with you mathics.

@hichris123 yes it is...

I'm opening the kernel dump now to see what faulted

6:40 PM

Probably those pesky spammers.

Feeds

Maintenace has completed - we're keeping an eye on things for a bit as the replicas recover.

Tweeted by StackStatus on May 2, 2015 at 6:38 PM

OH NOES! THEY’VE RELEASED THE REPLICANTS!

sudo perl -e 'printf "%d is%s prime.\n"=>$_=>(1x$_)=~/^1$|^(11+)\1+$/&&"n\047t"for 1..shift' $$

@rene I was unaware you were a haruspex.

Although perhaps in this case scatomancer might be more apropos.

I have many unknown capabilities. I amaze myself on a daily base

You wander the labyrinth.

7:09 PM

I have a stacktrace into Netwsw00.sys that started off with ndis!NdisMPauseComplete+0x992, maybe it crashed while it tried to hibernate...

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: TRANSFORM VARIABLE - ADD OPERATOR OR by simpleusers on serverfault.com

2-more-cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/30005330/465378

7:42 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: Trying to pull phone number and combine it with carrier, cannot find phone number variable by JDSlimz on drupal.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: SSH agent forwarding, multiple hop by Enbyted on unix.stackexchange.com

Tim Stone

@animuson lol /nocontext

... huh?

@FOX9000 ignore

@rene Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

@FOX9000 ignore

7:52 PM

@rene Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

@Doorknob "/nocontext"

8:07 PM

… huh?

animuson

8:20 PM

@TimStone You don't need no stinkin' context.

8:33 PM

@rene Sent you an email, not sure if you saw...

Dec 24 '13 at 2:02, by 9 Shogs a-Shogging

In the grim future of Meta Stack Exchange, only deleted posts are humorous

Is this true? :P

@hichris123 checking...

cv-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/2529206/…

@hichris123 found it and answered...

TimWolla

@JonasCz The answer is pretty much spam, isn't it?

@rene :) thanks

Bart

8:45 PM

@hichris123 I'll put you on my mailing list. You will get notified when there's a seminar in your neighbourhood.

@Bart Do you travel to the US for speaking tours often?

I'd like to learn the ways of Bart.

Bart

I'd like to visit more often, but apparently not everybody is in favour of that.

7

@rene oh btw I responded.

It's always a fun day when you get to delete ~40 GB of stuff.

@Bart Glasses don't die; I wouldn't worry.

@Bart mmm... Final Destination 6

9:04 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: KeyListener doesnt listen by Josip Bartulović on stackoverflow.com

@FOX9000 ignore but still probably a bad question

@hichris123 Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

9:21 PM

I'm bored. Somebody amuse me.

mm... 6 stars, so confirmed

I'm waiting.

Hobo Sapiens

Spam: stackoverflow.com/questions/30007632/…

@HoboSapiens Could be some sort of new esoteric language, too.

Kind of looks like chef.

Mgetz

@JasonC I've heard of Shakespeare but this doesn't look like that

TimWolla

9:27 PM

@HoboSapiens I liked the CoffeeScript tag

@Mgetz dangermouse.net/esoteric/chef_hello.html, 99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-chef-734.html

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: How to stop the LG phone launching preset applications when the phone is locked and inside your pocket? by Sheryl Cook on android.stackexchange.com

user259867

@FOX9000 NAA, somewhat funny

> Help not me my phone cause I'm about ready to smash it

^ @AlexisKing

someone funny here too, but not only NAA: gaming.stackexchange.com/a/217144/93824

9:31 PM

I wonder why they went with "cheese" over "penis" or "fuuuuuu". Interesting choice.

duck show

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Why would muscles be gritty? by Andrew Heckford on cooking.stackexchange.com

2

user259867

> I haven't cooked fresh muscles before so it's a bit of a learning experience for me!

user259867

LOL

chuckle

I better give them a mercy edit.

Oh somebody did.

@FOX9000 fpu

9:46 PM

@JasonC Registered question as false positive, whitelisted user and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Why is fox running smoke detector?

9:57 PM

@JasonC because he's enforcing a no smoking area

user259867

13 hours ago, by ProgramFOX

Smokey died, I'm starting up a local clone

@2mkgz Hi, IIRC you are active on webapps too, could you take a look here webapps.stackexchange.com/q/76660/45867 looks OT for different reasons?

user259867

@bummi Yes, OT: "it is a question about creating/developing a web application."

user259867

I don't have 3K there, so only flagged.

@2mkgz one of those, I would see POB too

user259867

10:09 PM

Sadly, WebApps site is not active enough for 3K closures to be viable. I haven't seen any questions closed without mod involvement there.

user259867

In practice, a mod goes into Close review and closes stuff from there.

outch ... poor chris

Bart

?

TimWolla

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/30008060/…

user259867

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 13 mins ago, by Undo

I think Smokey used up all my CPU credits again :/

user259867

10:18 PM

Uh oh. Time to look into optimizing findspam.py, if that's the bottleneck.

@2mkgz No, smokey just goes crazy sometimes & uses 100% CPU.

Maybe that's a thing that you can fix?

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Apr 3 at 1:08, by Undo

@Doorknob I don't know what to fix.

Makes it a bit hard. :P

@FOX9000 ...

@FOX9000 fpu

@hichris123 Registered question as false positive, whitelisted user and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

@bummi What... did I do this time?

;P

10:29 PM

@hichris123 oups, sorry I thought about ChrisF

oh. :P

I thought I broke something. :P

@hichris123 the websocker process?

I love when my processes sock the web.

docs.python.org/2/library/profile.html

@Braiam Well... kinda... everything is called from ws.py, so it doesn't help.

@Braiam It only breaks occasionally -- I wish we had a way of generating a backtrace when CPU usage spikes.

10:35 PM

@hichris123 time to... umm... what can be done...

@hichris123 err... it doesn't error out, right?

nope, it just keeps running. :P

@Braiam Well, we did break it out, but we include findspam.py & the others in ws.py.

use the python -m cProfile [-o output_file] [-s sort_order] ws.py instead to find out

a bored user gaming.stackexchange.com/a/217156/93824

10:48 PM

@hichris123 Are you running it on some third-party host?

@JasonC @Undo's running it on an EC2 server.

@hichris123 I could set up a temporary server here tomorrow maybe and run it until the problem happens, if that would help keep an eye on it.

I should have an old laptop laying around somewhere.

@JasonC I don't know if that would catch it. It only seems to happen once in a blue moon (every month or so)... and even then, it'd probably just continue on like nothing happened.

Can you build a hacky CPU usage monitor into it that makes it dump stack traces when it goes above a threshold?

@JasonC I think @Undo was looking at that.

10:55 PM

Although, $10 says adding a CPU monitor will inexplicably stop the problem from happening, because the universe hates programmers.

Have been at king's island for about 7h, still no sign of kings or islands.

@bjb568 why didn’t you go to kitteh’s island?

Am with middle skewlers. Not really a choice.

That's cute, do they make you guys all hold hands with eachother when you cross the street?

middle school is possibly the most awkward age

although being 110 and having everyone else do everything for you is also awkward

10:58 PM

Plus bjb's an awkward person, and the awkwardness combines exponentially.

@bjb568 I bet you're at Planet Snoopy, am I right? :P

@bjb568 are you the adult chaperone?

also, Chromium’s spell checker is dumb. It didn’t think “chaperone” was correct

Blame hunspell.

!!/blame hunspell

@yellowantphil It's Undo's fault.

11:00 PM

@yellowantphil It's Undo's fault.

Smokey :-o

@yellowantphil That's weird, isn't it. It has "chaperon", though, which is definitely not the right word. It does have "chaperoned".

It's missing "programmatically", too, which always annoys me.

@JasonC MW says “chaperon” is an alternate spelling. Not sure who thought it was the only one

and when did Smokey come back?

Oh, huh. Wiki only has the "head gear" definition for "chaperon".

@JasonC ಠ_ಠ

11:02 PM

@yellowantphil dictionary.reference.com/browse/chaperon #3

Hrm... @yellowantphil SCOWL has it as a variant, probably too high a word level though.

verbmall.blogspot.com/2008/09/chaperonchaperone.html

@yellowantphil Few minutes ago

> Both are found in dictionaries, but some commentators point out that the chaperone spelling is an incorrect Anglicization of a French word. Someone mistakenly thought that an -e- was needed at the end of the word to make it feminine. So it’s probably better to give preference to chaperon.

Yeah... app.aspell.net/lookup?dict=en_US&words=chaperone @yellowantphil

11:03 PM

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 10 mins ago, by Undo

IT LIVES

> incorrect Anglicization of a French word

since when is that ever incorrect? this is English

Yeah, screw France. It's chaperone now, bitchezz.

@hichris123 weird. I’d trust Merriam-Webster over those people though

@Doorknob maybe FOX should turn off his Smoke Detector then

@yellowantphil SCOWL is where Chrome gets offline English spellchecking dictionaries. I know because I updated the dictionaries from SCOWL once. ;P

@hichris123 how about you update it again and fix “chaperone” ☺

11:06 PM

SOMEONE SUMMONED ME

“chaperon” looks weird to me

@Undo what happened to Smokey? I barely survived the night

@FOX9000 wow, what are the chances? :P

@Undo That was so 20 minutes ago.

@yellowantphil Recurring issue, sometimes it eats all the CPU.

@yellowantphil If you reported a Chrome bug, I probably could...

11:06 PM

And when it eats all the CPU, stuff breaks

@hichris123 Add "programmatically" while you're at it.

@Undo does it choose based on a random number generator fed by the timestamp?

@hichris123 you’re even Chromeier than I thought

@Undo it went quiet for a while before logging off last night

Welp, laundry time. (P.S. Also add "welp")

@yellowantphil Err maybe. Not sure

!!/blame

@Undo It's yellowantphil's fault.

11:08 PM

(And "lol")

@Undo It's FOX 9000's fault.

(And "\o")

if you see Smokey log off in the top corner ↗ you know you’re doomed

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@SmokeDetector WHAT

@yellowantphil I contribute in my free time. :P Nah, that's just because then if someone asks me "why'd you add it?", I could give them a bug #. Or someone could get to it before me, then I wouldn't have to do anything.

@hichris123 I might put in a bug if I can figure out how

11:10 PM

@yellowantphil crbug.com/new

@hichris123 huh I know I changed the password, and I can guess most of its letters...

...

I don’t need Google+ for this, do I?

nope

good

11:11 PM

Just a Google account.

I refuse to review Android apps because they require Google+

I’ll put in a bug after I figure out my password... have to do non-computer things for a minute

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Cannot log into iMessage or FaceTime from mac by user125363 on apple.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Cannot log into iMessage or FaceTime from mac by user125363 on apple.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu

@2mkgz Blacklisted user.

11:18 PM

@hichris123 code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/…

I probably made hundreds of mistakes in that bug report, and hordes of people will flag to close it

lol. I triaged it for you.

@yellowantphil chaperon /ˈʃæpərɒn/, /-ɔːn/, /-oʊn/. Also 6–7 chapperon, 7 chapron, chapperoon, shaparoon, shaparowne, shabbaron, 7–9 chaperoon. Etymology: a. Fr. chaperon hood, a kind of dim. deriv. of chape cope, cape (cf. moucheron gnat, f. mouche fly); also used in sense 3 (in which English writers often erroneously spell it chaperone, app. under the supposition that it requires a fem. termination).

@tchrist put that nonsense away and read a good dictionary

@hichris123 if it’s Hunspell’s fault, does Chromium care?

@yellowantphil uh… if you want to think of it that way

11:23 PM

@bjb568 or are you one of the kids? 😲

@yellowantphil erroneously erroneously erroneously erroneously erroneously erroneously erroneously

@yellowantphil It's our issue since it's in SCOWL, but we don't get the word since you need en_US large and we get en_US standard IIRC.

Ignorance is bliss.

@tchrist so it only lacks an “e” in sense 3? just like MW says?

it depends on what sense 3 is, I guess

No.

11:26 PM

MW says “chaperon” for a head covering

“chaperone” for bjb at the park

Sense 3 is the one where people who don’t know how to spell most commonly misspell it.

@yellowantphil if you want to think of it that way…

also, proteins are “chaperone”

@yellowantphil Pretty sure that’s a code phrase for doggin’ it.

@bjb568 you’re being so evasive

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AHD also prefers “chaperone”

AHD makes no mention of the head covering

11:32 PM

> 1. A hood or cap formerly worn by nobles, and. after the 16th c., by ladies. Obs. exc. Hist.

(Cotgr. (1611) has ‘Chaperon, a hood, or French hood (for a woman); also any hood, bonnet, or lettice cap.)
C. 1380 Wyclif Rule St. Francis Wks. (1880) 40 ― Cloþis of probacion, þat is to seie tweie cotis or kirtlis wiþ-outen hood and a girdil & a brech & a chaperon to þe girdel.
A. 1552 Leland Brit. Coll. (1774) II. 468 ― The Quenes Party··causid his Chaperon and also Baldokes to be taken of, and to have on theyr Heddes Chapelettes of poignante Netles.

@JasonC no streets here

@hichris123 yea, I went there

@bjb568 ...

@bjb568 Did you at least ride the Diamondback?

No, wait time too long

aww.