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15:01

lol

Infinite Recursion

> First inner outer last.

^ DD users and normal humans can't understand that bjb

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: We Got Married Episode 268 English Sub KSHOWNOW by jennay on webapps.stackexchange.com

hichris123

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@hichris123 Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

Unihedro

:D

Roombatron5000

15:12

cv-plz lifehacks.stackexchange.com/q/6643/143

same guy that asked about the universe on SO earlier

Infinite Recursion

^ troll :D

> Okay, we've established OP is an idiot. Can we please just drop it?

SmokeDetector

15:42

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: Help Visual Basic? by Tom on programmers.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: How to get a new UK Driver's licence while travelling? by Mark Mayo on travel.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: How many elements does the free product $\\mathbb{Z}/2\\mathbb{Z}\\ast\\mathbb{Z}/2\\mathbb{Z}$ have? by Christopher Garland on math.stackexchange.com

Roombatron5000

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@Roombatron5000 Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Roombatron5000

But... should just be edit/comment to other answer? travel.stackexchange.com/a/46318 Either way NAA

@SmokeDetector so it checks titles again anytime there's a new answer? Thought it only did that when the question itself was edited

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: SQL Server Scalar Function with "IN" Getting Subquery Returned more than 1 Error by Peter on stackoverflow.com

Roombatron5000

16:01

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@Roombatron5000 Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

ProgramFOX

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@ProgramFOX Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

bjb568

@Unihedro What's that from? Some game?

Unihedro

@bjb568 Yeah, I got it earlier.

bjb568

16:14

@InfiniteRecursion it's the foil accr

@Unihedro What's the name of it? Linkey?

Unihedro

It's Mini Metro: dinopoloclub.com/minimetro

bjb568

Site unusable on mobile.

But game looks fun.

Unihedro

Mini Metro (game)

Mini Metro is a transport simulation video game developed by Dinosaur Polo Club for Windows, OS X and Linux. The game is about creating an efficient subway network for a rapidly growing city. == Development == Mind the Gap, the prototype for Mini Metro, was created in April 2013 during Ludum Dare 26. In September 2013, the first pre-alpha build was released. After several public alpha builds were tested and released, the game was made available for pre-order on 9 April 2014. The game was released on Steam as an Early Access title on 11 August 2014. Two days later, on 13 August 2014, DRM-...

bjb568

Looks borked, will build better onebox for DD

2

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[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ALGEBRA CALANDER by udaya prakasareddy on math.stackexchange.com

Roombatron5000

16:21

@bjb568 !!/ddCompletionDate?

bjb568

@SmokeDetector fp

ProgramFOX

@bjb568 This 'fp' bot is very annoying...

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: enclosejs native code error by happymanxyz on stackoverflow.com

ProgramFOX

@SmokeDetector ignore

SmokeDetector

@ProgramFOX Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

hichris123

16:26

@bjb568 fp

ProgramFOX

@SmokeDetector The Hangul character triggered the detector.

but now Hangul chars are blocked on EL&U, do we still need the Hangul regex?

minitech

@bjb568, why don’t you use an existing Markdown parser?

user259867

@ProgramFOX I'd vote "no"

hichris123

@minitech The bjb philosophy of life: "All code is horrible unless I wrote it"

user259867

I didn't realize SE blocked them from submission.

Jan Dvorak

16:30

@InfiniteRecursion should set up a bot that kicks @bjb568 whenever he says /@SmokeDetector (fp|tp|tpu)/

ProgramFOX

@pizza I don't think they blocked them from submission, but SE did block them.

in English Language & Usage on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Apr 15 at 15:39, by Andrew Leach

Posts with Korean characters anywhere are now blacklisted on ELU.

github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/commit/…

hichris123

@ProgramFOX ah so that means you can't ask/answer a question with those characters. It'll just give you an error message, I think.

ProgramFOX

@hichris123 Probably, but it did stop the spam bots.

All spam during that wave stopped after the blacklist.

minitech

@ProgramFOX Does that mean the u"오피" isn’t necessary either?

hichris123

@minitech It might pop up on other sites. I doubt it... but...

ProgramFOX

16:34

@minitech I thought of keeping that one, just in case they start spamming on another site.

Jan Dvorak

They might

ASCIIThenANSI

I figured out my flagging problem from earlier - it turns out someone moved it, and by the time my flag had reached a moderator, it was moved already. :|

user259867

I tested this on ELU -- the usual "title cannot contain X" pop-up is shown.

user259867

It's a ~~client side~~ (what do I know) check as for words like Problem on SO.

Jan Dvorak

client-side?

hichris123

16:37

It's server-side.

user259867

@hichris123 I thought those title warnings/blocks were client-side JS additions. (Based mostly on the fact that Shog could add them without going through dev team.)

AstroCB

@pizza That's where you're mistaken – Shog socks comprise the dev team.

Hmm...I think that's the proper usage; @tchrist?

hichris123

@pizza They're server side -- there's a page for Shog to add them to. :) Mods can also see all of them (the blacklist page has both tags blacklisted and text blacklisted).

bjb568

16:55

@minitech None does what I want in the way I want it.

@ProgramFOX I swear I fixed it once.

Bot is sentient

ProgramFOX

@bjb568 Eh, fix? Why not shut it down :P

Jason C

\o

bjb568

@Roombatron5000 idk

Unihedro

@Roombatron5000 future

AstroCB

!xkcd latest

xkcdBot

17:01

I honestly didn't think you could even USE emoji in variable names. Or that there were so many different crying ones.

yellowantphil

@AstroCB I thought xkcdbot was sort of banned from here

not that I’m complaining... there are not enough bots in this room

Jan Dvorak

@yellowantphil not before BJB

yellowantphil

Shog came in and removed bots from the room description ↗

Unihedro

I think Inf did

bjb568

:o

ProgramFOX

17:04

@yellowantphil no, Inf did

Apr 14 at 10:44, by Infinite Recursion

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bjb568

RO abuse!

yellowantphil

ban Inf!

bjb568

shouts furiously

Unihedro

Be glad it was up for four months. :p

bjb568

I liked the snowflakes better.

cybermonkey

17:08

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/29720288/…

bjb568

46

Q: How can I avoid the risk of mistakenly deleting data from a production environment with no backups?

I am a junior developer who is still not confident in my role. I am dealing with very sensitive, unrecoverable data in our production environment. A lot of my workload involves different tasks in our live environment. If I mistakenly deleted some valuable data, what am I supposed to do? I manuall...

This is screwed up.

hichris123

> I cannot think of any other reason why you wouldn't want to come back to your Koding account other than the fact that you’ve lost interest in software development.

This email has made me even less likely to login again.

Unihedro

LOL

I haven't used Koding for a while

bjb568

4

Q: Error in my proof?

What is wrong in this proof. It seems correct to me but still doesn't make proper sense. $=\sqrt{...\sqrt{\sqrt{\sqrt{5}}}}$ $=5^{1/\infty}$ $=5^0$ $=1$ EDIT So does this mean that $5^{1/\infty} = 1$ $(5^{1/\infty})^\infty = 1^\infty$ But according to me, $1^\infty$ is indeterminate.

real-analysis

Dv to unhot

hichris123

@Unihedro I don't even think that their site is useful at all.

Unihedro

17:18

6 likes for a random user? Wow, their users must be seriously bored.

bjb568

@hichris123 agree

Unihedro

@hichris123 true, unless you pay I guess; but c9 has better billing

cybermonkey

@DavidKron There used to be a simple 'delete' button, but with the new profile page it's been moved.

David Kron

Okay, is there anyway to unlink my questions and answers to me without deleting?

Because thats essentially what i need, if i delete my account i would make a new one afterwards.

Ive had some private issues regarding the link between my se activity and me

cybermonkey

@DavidKron To dissociate any questions/answers simply flag the post with a custom moderator flag and state exactly why you want it deleted.

Andrew T.

17:30

You can flag your own post that you want to be diso... ninja'd

yellowantphil

"Linux has gone 258 days without being checked, check forced" ← it’s been a while since I turned on my laptop 😒

David Kron

Not deleted, but dissociated, as u said

Andrew T.

Yes, custom flag it, and ask to dissociate, while also explain the reason

cybermonkey

@DavidKron If it's an issue that you posted some private code, usually it won't be removed. However if this is the case I'd edit the private code out and then flag the post and ask the previous edits to be purged from the database.

user259867

@AndrewT. But moderators can't disassociate posts; it's an employee function.

hichris123

17:31

Gah why did we have to have proprietary HTML attributes? What was wrap=physical for <textarea>'s anyway?

David Kron

oki thanks, na thats not the issue, but good guess haha

Andrew T.

Ugh, I believe I read that suggestion on meta...

user259867

I'm inclined to agree on eliminating the middle folk here. — Tim Post ♦ Nov 30 '13 at 15:42

cybermonkey

this behavior is exactly why I don't post that much anymore..

hichris123

Oh I guess it's wrap=hard.

cybermonkey

17:34

I post an answer, it had an error and caused someone to post it to a chatroom which caused it to be downvoted. I then deleted it and posted a new edited answer. The same user then saw the revised version, told everyone that it's the same one (with no edits), causing downvotes..

Jan Dvorak

Just edit the old answer...

cybermonkey

I did, still got downvotes. Luckily the user who initially posted it to chat was told off (I think it was by a mod, not sure) and had their downvote reversed and messages removed (or maybe they did).

Downvoting an edited answer is, to quote that user, 'not cool', even if I did repost it after the other one was deleted.

in my opinion the C++ lot are the hardest of them all

anyways:

cv-pls: stackoverflow.com/questions/29720648/… (off-topic)

nestedloop

Hello everyone! @cy

@cybermonkey Why would you even bother answering that question

bjb568

Oh god, am on bus, will see if I can get home in less than 7h (ie not get lost)

nestedloop

It seems to me that it is pretty opinion based, if you are talking about this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/29720288/…

Andrew T.

17:45

edit on grace period won't bump the post, right?

user259867

Yes, if it's folded into the previous edit, there'll be no new timestamp. However, the requirements for folding are stricter now: no comments since the previous edit.

Andrew T.

Thanks, just a bit worry to my excessive edits after answering the question due to grammar/typo.

NAA/offensive? android.stackexchange.com/a/105833/44325

user259867

@AndrewT. I can't read it so can't vouch for offensive. Flagged NAA.

Andrew T.

Fair enough, I thought it's in Gujarati (based from his home location), but Google Translate failed, so went to NAA.

bjb568

18:03

Me allergies r kill

cybermonkey

what to do with a user posts an OT question which is closed and is pointed to another SE site where their new question is closed again and they're pointed to the original site?

That's what's happened here: stackoverflow.com/questions/29720648/…

seems to be: serverfault.com/questions/683771/…

and: stackoverflow.com/questions/29720648/…

Jan Dvorak

At least one of the communities might need to get educated in such a case

Ixrec

This happens between SO and PSE a lot

cybermonkey

Yeah, in this case I think it's Server Fault...

that question is better suited to SF than SO since it's about server configuration, perhaps it would also be good to recommend SU..

bjb568

@frank quit it with the pollen

you don't need children

Ixrec

18:07

I think there's a bot that posts in the PSE chat every time an SO comment has "programmers" in it so we can quickly correct any comment saying "this should be on programmers SE" (if they're wrong); we might be an extreme case though

hichris123

How about SU?

cybermonkey

so... can any Server Fault moderator here re-open that question? If that fails, flag with a custom flag? I gave away my rep as a bounty.

hichris123

SF only accepts questions that are related to a business.

Home setups are a no.

Andrew T.

^

cybermonkey

@hichris123 could be, but I have a feeling that the user will be pointed to SF.

Andrew T.

18:13

For some reason, sometimes the chat notification is bugged? I just received notification from pizza about NAA flag, but I already dismissed the mention here :/

user259867

@cybermonkey Not just "could be" but definitely yes. Those directing such questions to SF should stop doing that.

Ixrec

@AndrewT. I've received many double notifications in my few days on chat, but usually they're within a second or two of each other

Andrew T.

let me search on MSE regarding this issue...

bjb568

am back home yay

Andrew T.

upvote-pls official answer meta.stackexchange.com/a/239118/241919 (now on draw with 2 scores, at least make it top answer.. please?)

SmokeDetector

18:23

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: How to upgrade to the latest iMovie for free? by bruh on apple.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@pizza Blacklisted user.

cybermonkey

@SmokeDetector tp

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@cybermonkey Blacklisted user.

Andrew T.

I didn't know any arbitrary message by Smokey can be deleted, I thought it's only for the report :O

bjb568

18:27

Any reason why <q> isn't widespread?

minitech

@bjb568 Widespread how?

bjb568

Used for like… quotes all over the internet.

minitech

" is shorter

bjb568

meh

Well, DD md will be converting " to <q></q>.

minitech

alert(<q>I forgot to use code formatting</q>)

Jason C

18:37

@bjb568 Styling is still ugly, but I settled for just a sticky header (disorient.ddns.net/SOVoteMonitor/qa.jsp?q=1), thanks for the tips. Took me forever to figure out how to make it work with dynamic sized headers and the anchor links.

hichris123

<q>? Ugh.

bjb568

Why ugh?

@JasonC Why do you need prev/next when the controls are on the top?

hichris123

... why would you need an HTML element for a simple quotation mark?

A: you don't.

Jason C

@bjb568 It goes prev/next but jumps straight to that user, for navigating through just one person's responses.

Andrew T.

I bet the argument relies on <q>the semantic</q>

Jason C

18:39

Although on the other hand I suppose you could just go read their answer. I dunno.

bjb568

@hichris123 dude, semantics

hichris123

@AndrewT. Correct! A cookie for you!

@bjb568 ...

Jason C

It is a little disorienting for the users at the bottom of the page.

bjb568

@JasonC Your tool is for looking at each candidate's response to each question, if you want to look at each candidate you can go to the actual page.

Jason C

Hmmm... I'm totally on the fence but that's a good point...

minitech

18:41

@bjb568: Anyway, not everything enclosed in quotation marks actually represents a quote

Jason C

Argh

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HELP ME WITH CODES FOR HIPMUNK FROM ITA MATRIX by NIKIT on travel.stackexchange.com

minitech

It’s better to let the semantics be implicit rather than explicitly get them wrong

Jason C

Yeah @bjb568 you're right, it distracts from the purpose a bit.

hichris123

@SmokeDetector off-topic?

bjb568

18:42

@minitech Which is why \"escapement\" will work.

minitech

@bjb568 Ew.

Well, I use “ and ” anyway

bjb568

@minitech It's rare that you'd need to do that.

hichris123

String test = <q>Hi!</q> would be correct, then. :P

ProgramFOX

@bjb568 At least, don't replace " with <q> in code formatting.

bjb568

Well, duh, code and samp aren't parsed.

minitech

18:45

You’ve modified String.prototype =(

ProgramFOX

oh, that's good

bjb568

…

user259867

@minitech bjb practices what he preaches

user259867

The score is +23 -26 at present.

bjb568

A delete vote? WTH?

That post probably is on the top 5 of giving me rep :p

oh hey, minitech was also there

minitech

18:50

I don’t really mind prototype extensions that much, but it does stop essentials.js from being required and used standalone

Andrew T.

Delete vote probably is too much. I thought SO accepts "bad practice" to be downvoted to let other viewers learn?

bjb568

Oh god there're bugs now…

@AndrewT. you mean good practices right?

Andrew T.

I dunno, I'm stupid on JS-thingy.

Unihedro

@AndrewT.: I don't see how having them around makes viewers learn.

Instead I hear about "omg moderator nazi downvoted this question I needed help with".

bjb568

Should I post my new md parser on CR?

Andrew T.

19:00

@Unihedro Who knows someone out there think the same approach. Reading that answer may (or may not) teach them.

Unihedro

... What exactly does that teach them? (I fail to see how seeing a solution you agree with being downvoted is educational at all, but for understanding)

Andrew T.

There's the comment section.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: GTA V Online Heists Replay effect on Heist Challenges by Ayemadamsd on gaming.stackexchange.com

Unihedro

Cool, viewers do need to know there is a comment section.

Good night!

ProgramFOX

night!

bjb568

19:05

Night uni!

Unihedro

:)

minitech

@bjb568 Yes!

ɥʇǝS

3

minitech

(Well, parsing Markdown is not trivial!)

bjb568

_**this works tho**_

That uses <i> instead of <em>.

minitech

19:17

Oh, wow

I don’t think I’ve ever seen String.prototype.link used before

bjb568

:D

y'all're js n00bs

Ixrec

"The link() method is not standard" ah, that might be why I've never heard of it

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: CHAT PROGRAM IMPLEMENTATION IN JAVA by FARZA on stackoverflow.com

ProgramFOX

@SmokeDetector too broad

Jan Dvorak

any idea what the BJBcode for that is? Just curious

ProgramFOX

19:30

!bjb CHAT PROGRAM IMPLEMENTATION IN JAVA

Andrew T.

!bjb DOESN'T TRANSLATE ALL-CAPS

ProgramFOX

in Botlings practice room, 11 secs ago, by bjb568

chat program implementation in java [translated]

bjb568

!bjb CHAT PROGRAM IMPLEMENTATION IN JAVA

CHAT PROGRAM IMPLEMENTATION IN JAVA [translated]

Jan Dvorak

I mean the ID for too broad

bjb568

!bjb DOESN'T TRANSLATE ALL-CAPS

DOESNT TRANSLATE ALL-CAPZ [translated]

Ok.

I fixed a typeerr in the bot.

SmokeDetector

19:35

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: UK Visa Status check by Aaron Gidwani on travel.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: UK Visa Status check by sarvjeet on travel.stackexchange.com

Jan Dvorak

copy/paste of the question. NAA?

AstroCB

!bjb bjb has too much fun with bots.

bjb568

bjb haz too much fun with botz. [translated]

:p

Andrew T.

NAA

AstroCB

I wonder if this still works.

!!echo !ilovebjb !xkcd blame SmokeDetector

Oh

||echo !ilovebjb !xkcd blame SmokeDetector

Caprica Six

19:42

!ilovebjb !xkcd blame SmokeDetector

2

bjb568

!xkcd blame smokedetector

xkcdBot

It's smokedetector's fault.

SmokeDetector

@xkcdBot Liar

AstroCB

Yes, it does.

bjb568

aww, caprica loves me!

ProgramFOX

19:44

||Does Caprica love bjb?

Caprica Six

@ProgramFOX Impossible

minitech

@bjb568, writing out HTML as manual repeated res.write is… interesting

How about a template thing?

bjb568

If I wanted to, I could read and spit out a file. waves paws in air

Caprica Six

@AstroCB "SyntaxError: illegal character"

AstroCB

||> "@" + "bjb"

Caprica Six

19:45

@AstroCB "@bjb"

AstroCB

Did it work?

bjb568

Why do people forget how to js when the see a bot?

It's like:

!xkcd find cat

xkcdBot

Yes you are! And you're sitting there! Hi, kitty!

AstroCB

Something like that, yes.

Jan Dvorak

s/you're/I'm/

minitech

19:47

> Name may not contain a sequence of 3 dashes.

I am desperately curious now

bjb568

Oh, it interferes with markdown.

I should probably add other things too now, since I'm expanding markdown.

minitech

Maybe you should make it so that it doesn’t interfere with Markdown instead.

bjb568

What, capitalization?

AstroCB

||Should bjb fix his program?

Caprica Six

@AstroCB Should bjb fix his program

@AstroCB Of course not

AstroCB

19:49

Well, that's contradictory.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: How to find 19th Century birth certificate from Novara, Italy? by GArluna on genealogy.stackexchange.com

AstroCB

@SmokeDetector Possible spam?

Jan Dvorak

at +1?

bjb568

looks like fish

AstroCB

Is optonline.net a spam site?

Jan Dvorak

19:50

If you're a cat, everything looks like a fish

3

user259867

@SmokeDetector mod edited out email.

Jan Dvorak

good enough, I guess

user259867

Yes. People put their email in the answer is they have no plans to use the site in the future, but are okay with follow-up questions being asked by email. Not appropriate, should be removed -- but not spam.

minitech

Does this DevDoodle have any CSRF protection? @bjb568

bjb568

API and form submissions don't accept get.

minitech

19:55

What?

POST isn’t exactly immune to CSRF

Jan Dvorak

is it not?

minitech

<form method="POST" action="http://devdoodle.net/something"><!-- stuff --></form><script>document.forms[0].submit()</script>

from anywhere

bjb568

Huh… Then what am I supposed to do about that?

Isn't there some header like "pls no ajax kthxbai" at least?

minitech

CSRF tokens! Associate a token with each session (maybe even the session token) and add it to the form

bjb568

groans

Jan Dvorak

19:57

wow. Can cats even do that?

minitech

@bjb568 Well, you don’t have to worry about Ajax anyway, thanks to the same-origin policy. It just doesn’t cover this is all.

Jan Dvorak

@minitech custom browsers

bjb568

@JanDvorak it's not like the human kind, it's just an annoyed meow

@JanDvorak screw them

Jan Dvorak

@bjb568 Nonono. Custom browsers will screw you. and not just the russian ones.

bjb568

I don't support them.

Safari, FF, Chrome latest. That's all.

And FF is just "must work" not "looks good". Since FF default styles look like crap

Jan Dvorak

19:59

The user agent can be spoofed, you know

minitech

@JanDvorak What do User-Agent headers (?) have to do with CSRF?

bjb568

@JanDvorak so?

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