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cybermonkey

21:00

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@cybermonkey It's SmokeDetector's fault.

5

Jason C

@Doorknob Nope.

The Wobbuffet

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@TheWobbuffet It's bjb568's fault.

bummi

I wonder why this got migrated superuser.com/q/900206/172747

The Wobbuffet

21:04

!!/blame

Doorknob

!!/blame Who was too lazy to make @SmokeDetector support edits?

SmokeDetector

@Doorknob It's Infinite Recursion's fault.

AstroCB

@bummi Edited.

The Wobbuffet

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@TheWobbuffet It's AstroCB's fault.

bummi

21:06

@AstroCB :) still OT IMHO

The Wobbuffet

My bot that blames SmokeDetector for blaming someone isn't working...

AstroCB

@SmokeDetector Nice.

@Shog9 - who do we complain to about your actions? — mfinni 1 hour ago

!

No one complains about Shog's actions.

That's blasphemy.

The Wobbuffet

@SmokeDetector No, it's your fault.

Undo

@SmokeDetector fpu

SmokeDetector

@Undo Registered question as false positive, whitelisted user and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Undo

21:09

@TheWobbuffet lol, bug much? :P

SmokeDetector

@pizza Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

The Wobbuffet

:/

yellowantphil

@TheWobbuffet I can’t do anything about Shree anyway. But I wonder if he actually intends to run.

The Wobbuffet

@Undo it worked! :P

@yellowantphil Well, he nominated himself; it must be something, and I'm sure he'll explain it later.

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@TheWobbuffet It's Jason C's fault.

The Wobbuffet

21:12

it d

lol, it works when i'm not typing

otherwise it glitches

tchrist

@AstroCB He’s taking a . . . beating? bath? Definitely getting bashed.

AstroCB

!xkcd find something

xkcdBot

Daily API quota limit exceeded. Try again in 10 hours.

tchrist

clock += 600

Jason C

@Shog9 Looks like you've got your hands full today. My question about the queues can wait until Monday. I'll bother you about it incessantly then.

tchrist

21:23

I really don’t like it when people go in for a big public scene about something that should be private.

No good can ever come of that.

The Wobbuffet

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@TheWobbuffet It's cybermonkey's fault.

The Wobbuffet

k

Jason C

@AstroCB Are you kidding? That's my favorite pastime.

The Wobbuffet

meh... maybe a js bot that reads contents on page isn't very fullproof

AstroCB

21:25

!find It can be.

bjb568

And Can it be That I should Gain - YouTube

AstroCB

!xkcd help

xkcdBot

@AstroCB Hello – I'm xkcdBot. I listen for things you say in this chat room and suggest possibly relevant xkcd comics. I can also search xkcd on command and onebox comics given an ID; I will post new comics as they are posted on xkcd.com. For a list of commands, use !xkcd commands.

AstroCB

I should change that to about.

!xkcd about

xkcdBot

No.

AstroCB

21:27

Alright.

!xkcd about

xkcdBot

@AstroCB Hello – I'm xkcdBot. I listen for things you say in this chat room and suggest possibly relevant xkcd comics. I can also search xkcd on command and onebox comics given an ID; I will post new comics as they are posted on xkcd.com. For a list of commands, use !xkcd commands.

AstroCB

There we go.

!xkcd commands

xkcdBot

Usage: !xkcd [command][ params]

about – Get information about xkcdBot.
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The Wobbuffet

!xkcd blame

xkcdBot

@TheWobbuffet It's your fault.

The Wobbuffet

21:28

does it always say that?

AstroCB

Still working on that one.

The Wobbuffet

what i basically did on the wheel was make it parse the html of the info page

yellowantphil

!xkcd blame TheWobbuffet

xkcdBot

@yellowantphil It's your fault.

yellowantphil

noooooo

AstroCB

21:32

!xkcd blame

xkcdBot

@AstroCB It's AstroCB's fault.

AstroCB

There we go.

Try it.

yellowantphil

!xkcd blame

xkcdBot

@yellowantphil It's yellowantphil's fault.

Jason C

@meagar Be careful about getting sucked too far in to that MSE post, heh. It's a real doozy.

yellowantphil

21:33

!xkcd 1234567

xkcdBot

@yellowantphil xkcd.com/1234567

yellowantphil

!xkcd -2

xkcdBot

'Petit' being a reference to Le Petit Prince, which I only thought about halfway through the sketch

yellowantphil

noooo I wanted negative 2!

!xkcd 0

xkcdBot

@yellowantphil xkcd.com/0

yellowantphil

21:34

!xkcd 3*12

xkcdBot

meagar

@JasonC I've abandoned it as a lost cause

There is no a point where the words you're typing are just not being read :|

Jason C

Yeah, I have a feeling that point actually came as soon as the OP hit the "post" button.

meagar

Pretty much, yeah.

The Wobbuffet

!xkcd 42

AstroCB

21:37

?

!xkcd 42

xkcdBot

The Wobbuffet

nothing about the number 42?

AstroCB

Too early in the series, I guess.

The Wobbuffet

Does this guy draw his comics on paper?

yellowantphil

Pretty sure he switched to a tablet years ago

The Wobbuffet

21:39

yeah

because i see paper marks and graph paper

yellowantphil

He had some sort of laptop with a screen that rotates into being a tablet back in 2008ish

haven't talked to him since

The Wobbuffet

you've talked to him before?

yellowantphil

he was good friends with one of my former roommates

The Wobbuffet

ah

yellowantphil

stayed at our apartment twice

AstroCB

21:46

@yellowantphil That's pretty cool.

yellowantphil

I went to CNU for grad school I think the year after he graduated from CNU

so I knew some people who were friends with him

user259867

@SmokeDetector delete NAA flagged

cybermonkey

NAA: android.stackexchange.com/questions/103919/…

Air

@JasonC I came to regret all of the notifications that answer was generating. =/

AstroCB

!ping AstroCB

xkcdBot

21:55

Prepare to be pinged, @_@.

The Wobbuffet

!ping _@

xkcdBot

Prepare to be pinged, @_@.

The Wobbuffet

!ping _@\n\n.-.

Did I break it? :P

AstroCB

@TheWobbuffet It's a JS bot; you can't break it.

That was a good attempt, though.

!ping TheWobbuffet

xkcdBot

Prepare to be pinged, @everyone.

yellowantphil

22:01

!ping everyone

xkcdBot

Prepare to be pinged, @@astro.

tchrist

!ping @astro

xkcdBot

Prepare to be pinged, @@astro.

tchrist

AHAH!

Look what I found!

The second xkcdBot becomes a moderator, the world is going to be superpinged!

Ixrec

have you guys been playing with the bot all day?

SmokeDetector

22:03

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: how to give airdroid root permissions on kitkat? by Francis Demers on android.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Odd iCloud syncing issue by vikram on apple.stackexchange.com

The Wobbuffet

@SmokeDetector No, it's your fault.

heh

my bot has that response to everything sent by smokedetector... i'll fix that. later.

yellowantphil

@TheWobbuffet Is your bot running for mod, or are you? o_o

inquiring minds want to know

The Wobbuffet

uhh I have a bot account with, like, 300 reputation, but right now my regular account is being used as the bot

yellowantphil

you could auto-mod

The Wobbuffet

what does that mean?

yellowantphil

22:07

make a bot do all your moderator duties

The Wobbuffet

...eh

not very smart

bots aren't always right

AstroCB

Giving bots complete control over a website? That's genius.

The Wobbuffet

i got kicked out and i'm desperately trying to cap

yellowantphil

I'd vote for HAL9000

you aren't out yet

AstroCB

I believe that leads to things like this:

24

Q: Abrupt change in moderation staff?

Myself and a few others just noticed that HopelessN00b and Chris S are no longer listed as moderators. What is the story behind this?

discussion

The Wobbuffet

22:09

@yellowantphil yes, i'm out

yellowantphil

maybe Shog is a bot

tchrist

Robomods.

The Wobbuffet

i can re-nominate myself if i get enough rep

AstroCB

If someone withdraws, you're back in.

The Wobbuffet

eh

who will

AstroCB

22:09

Someone.

yellowantphil

@TheWobbuffet you're still on the list if you tell it to show all

The Wobbuffet

Mr. Abe

430 3 8

bug status-completed design email email-verification fun registration

@yellowantphil really? hmm

yellowantphil

all candidates

The Wobbuffet

that mr. abe guy is my bot account

it used to be called "Charcoal"

...then i deleted the charcoal app

AstroCB

You need 201 rep to pass bjb.

yellowantphil

22:11

Mr. Abe for moderator!

The Wobbuffet

the fact that i only know one language makes it hard for me to get rep

yellowantphil

learn a similar language. you'll be halfway competent later today

The Wobbuffet

uhh

i know javascript and as3

i learned javascript after as3 because as3 is kind of a terrible language

javascript is probably just as bad, but it's for web, so that makes it okay

yellowantphil

try Java?

The Wobbuffet

i don't know java

yellowantphil

22:14

it isn't that hard

The Wobbuffet

yeah, but i barely know any of the methods in the standard library in java

Anonymous

Y'know, it's funny... One of the moderators on Stack Overflow recently lost his diamond, and it took folks like a week to notice. Still haven't seen a meta thread about it. Of course, the reason is simply that SO folks are waaaay more respectful of individual privacy, but a more suspicious person might think the case you're referencing involved people in an external chatroom collaborating to create a scene and thwart any efforts to resolve the situation quietly... — Shog9 ♦ 2 mins ago

yellowantphil

learn Fortran 77... not because you'll need it, but because the syntax is mind-bending :-|

The Wobbuffet

eww

you know what'll be easy to learn? assembly

Ixrec

@yellowantphil I needed it...

yellowantphil

22:17

"what do you mean I have to put some random character in column 6?"

Jason C

@Air Haha, well, it's a pretty hot topic and you threw yourself right in the firing line.

Ixrec

@yellowantphil Took me an hour just to learn how to add a branch to an if-else chain

The Wobbuffet

ooh

yellowantphil

@Ixrec I've used it but I sort of avoid it. It took me a weekend to even learn how to read it

The Wobbuffet

it actually takes, like, only 5 minutes to learn brainf... let me see how popular that tag is

eh... not popular at all. after all, what questions would you have about it

yellowantphil

22:19

@TheWobbuffet learn something trendy, like Visual C#.net in the Cloud or whatever Windows people use

The Wobbuffet

eww

C# is okay, but i hate the fact that it's windows-specific

yellowantphil

@TheWobbuffet that's why I don't use it

how about Python? it's kind of cool. I don't know it that well. I wish it used semicolons though

Ixrec

@yellowantphil You get used to the whitespace/no-semicolons thing really fast

The Wobbuffet

i know the syntax of python 3 but barely any of the methods. i guess i could see the recently asked questions

Ixrec

you just replace your curly bracketing habits with indenting habits

yellowantphil

22:22

@Ixrec but... but... my precious semicolons!

user259867

@JasonC If you wanted to reduce the exposure said drama receives, a way to do this would be to postpone posting your feature request a month later.

Jason C

@pizza Good call.

Ixrec

@yellowantphil Have you ever written Lisp code? =)

yellowantphil

@Ixrec nope

not sure I've even seen lisp code

Jason C

@pizza I am going to do just that.

user259867

22:24

Yay for drama--

Ixrec

@yellowantphil In that case, try reading the SICP next time you're bored: mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-4.html

hichris123

@pizza drama--.

Jason C

@Shog9 FWIW that post was prompted by discussion in the election chat room, not the tavern.

yellowantphil

@Ixrec whoa

Ixrec

I think all the chat rooms have been discussing it today

Shog9

22:27

@JasonC oh... you thought I was referencing our chat.

no, no no...

best let it be

Braiam

@JasonC tsk, tsk

Ixrec

@yellowantphil Yep, it's definitely a "whoa" book

AstroCB

!xkcd 101

xkcdBot

I wish I'd missed you then so I wouldn't be missing you now

AstroCB

Persistence setup complete.

Ixrec

22:28

actually relevant:

!xkcd 224

xkcdBot

We lost the documentation on quantum mechanics. You'll have to decode the regexes yourself.

2

Jason C

Hey, "FWIW" is actually a disclaimer prefix indicating that I have no idea what I'm talking about, distancing myself from any responsibility. Let me rationalize my comments in peace, please.

user259867

Fun fact: only two users have reached 20K on two different SO sites: bfavaretto (en+pt) and Vlad (en+ru).

user259867

Sad fact: lang-SO sites are not linked to Careers.

Ixrec

@pizza I think those links are off

The Wobbuffet

22:34

what do you mean "SO sites"?

user259867

Fixed now, thanks. It's my stupid bookmarklet for markdown-formatting links...

hichris123

@TheWobbuffet so, ru.SO, pt.SO

jp.SO

The Wobbuffet

wat?!?

Braiam

@TheWobbuffet (*.)*SO

hichris123

or however that's abbreviated.

Ixrec

22:35

@TheWobbuffet There are non-English StackOverflows now

Air

@JasonC When I wrote up the answer, it was the third incarnation of the question after two of them being nuked from SO and I thought maybe throwing him a bone would de-escalate things a bit.

Braiam

I think I got that regex alright

The Wobbuffet

i saw that portugal one

user259867

Notably, Vlad is 36 years old in English but only 15 years in Russian. Time warp.

hichris123

The Wobbuffet

22:37

what's weird is that there are questions about english code there...

Ixrec

interestingly, there are three more foreign SO proposals on Area51 that have completed the Commitment phase, and are "on hold while we add international features"

Braiam

> It is too late to edit this message

:(

Ixrec

which I think refers to non-ASCII characters in tags

Jason C

@Air I believe some comedy is called for:

Bill Burr 5 Minute stand-up.

►

user259867

SE has been looking for a Spanish-speaking CM for a long time, but @Braiam still hasn't applied.

Braiam

22:39

@pizza :O

it's still open!?

user259867

@Braiam Yes it is

user259867

I could not finish reading the first bullet item.

user259867

> Help invent and evangelize completely new ways to build communities, turning site-by site learning into holistic, network-wide processes

user259867

and my brain still hurts a little from the effort.

hichris123

> Help invent new innovative bullet points to put in our job descriptions!

user259867

22:43

> ID and develop super-evangelists in each community to help their sites flourish, and mentor those users so sites need you less

The Wobbuffet

...convert new ways to christian?

Braiam

evangelization is like... yeah, that, but without the believe context

hichris123

@pizza wait what? "Develop users who are very active, but then mentor them so you don't need them anymore"? Okay.

Braiam

> To be enthusiastic about something, and to attempt to share that enthusiasm with others

user259867

@hichris123 So they don't need you.

hichris123

22:46

@pizza ohhh I missed a word. :P

The Wobbuffet

but what's the point

what's the point of using complicated english that's hard to read when it can be so simple

hichris123

These bullet points though sound less SE-y to me, though.

More corporate.

The Wobbuffet

I always assumed contracts used that english so people won't bother reading them

user259867

That's why they can't find anyone.

Ixrec

@TheWobbuffet My actual contract used far more down-to-Earth English, thankfully

hichris123

22:49

@pizza "I can't understand this, I'm probably not fit for the job" or "I can't understand this, probably not where I want to work"?

user259867

@hichris123 More like "I'd rather be poked with a sharp stick than keep reading this".

Ixrec

@hichris123 or perhaps, "I can't understand this, and I'm afraid they want me to write like this as part of the job"

tchrist

@Braiam ¡What, you speak Spanish and haven’t been doing your part to fill @bjb568's head with juicy profanity to supplement his Spanish studies? :)

durron597

!xkcd 303

Awwww

hichris123

Hrm, so tonight is either going to be "digging through a mess of PHP code to figure out why includes are taking 80 ms" or reading a book I just got. Wonder what I'll choose...

user259867

22:58

@hichris123 Is the book about PHP?

hichris123

@pizza not in the least.

It's a YA novel.

tchrist

@pizza It’s because in English one only has eight fingers but in Russian one has twenty-five of them.

AstroCB

@durron597 Updating that computer right now.

Anonymous

@Shog9, you really do do an extremely good job of handling all of the crap that's throw at you.

7

AstroCB

^

xkcdBot

23:04

'Are you stealing those LCDs?' 'Yeah, but I'm doing it while my code compiles.'

bjb568

@tchrist :(

durron597

@AstroCB Thanks

AstroCB

!xkcd commands

xkcdBot

about – Get information about xkcdBot.
find [searchTerms] – Search for xkcd comics with Google (100 queries/day).
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Usage: !xkcd [command][ params]

AstroCB

!xkcd blame

xkcdBot

23:06

@AstroCB It's AstroCB's fault.

Anonymous

!xkcd find >x>x>x>%10,,,<--'"\

AstroCB

@JeremyBanks That didn't even match.

Anonymous

@AstroCB Ah. :P

bjb568

"energy is spent and used" wat — bjb568 25 secs ago

Somebody get a bludgeon.

user259867

@bjb568 You're on the first page of Parenting users by participation.

tchrist

23:08

He’s apparent?

hichris123

@pizza Very high-quality contributions, I suppose.

tchrist

@hichris123 Well, that aren’t deleted.

bjb568

Right and left does not exist. They are political oversimplifications designed to foster groupthink and an us-vs-them mentality. You can't explain it without bias, because if you even try you are biased. Your description is simply incorrect, the political spectrum can not be described as a straight line with left and right. I suspect that explaining politics without bias becomes much easier once you drop the left-to-right idea. :-) (And as such I think your description of the standpoints are incorrect too, but I'm biased. On a scale of left to right, I'm in the front). — Lennart Regebro Apr 28 '11 at 20:50

Such agree

AstroCB

@xkcdBot Shhh...

I ping the bot in here, and it responds in the botling room.

xkcdBot

Yes.

AstroCB

23:22

@xkcdBot Shh...

xkcdBot

@AstroCB Never!

AstroCB

There we go.

cv-plz

-1

Q: Pedometer Help / iPhone

Xcode/iPhone Pedometer Help So, here's my problem. I am trying to make a simple pedometer app in Xcode6 in Swift. I as I try do to it I use "HealthKit". However, the problem is I can't use StepCount or even access HealthKit. (By the way, it's fine if it uses MotionInformation, as long as it dis...

ios iphone xcode swift

That didn't work.

!xkcd find it

xkcdBot

Daily API quota limit exceeded. Try again in 8 hours.

AstroCB

!xkcd last

xkcdBot

"Mr. President, what if the unthinkable happens? What if the launch goes wrong, and Napoleon is not stranded on the Moon?" "Have Safire write up a speech."

hichris123

23:35

lol

Anonymous

23:48

@James I don't know if that will help...

Anonymous

Tempting as it is to yell at them, it's probably best to just give Shog and the team time to carefully consider how to respond to the situation, and let it be.

Anonymous

They may already feel under attack from the rest of the network.

Anonymous

(That's @ Tux-James, not Spike-James.)

2

James

I felt it was unbiased. I wasn't really defending shog, I just hate people bringing the pitch forks and noose and a ton of others following like sheep.

Braiam

@JeremyBanks he's known for turn crap into gold

so I don't think he's very unhappy

Santa Claus

23:51

!xkcd commands

xkcdBot

about – Get information about xkcdBot.
find [searchTerms] – Search for xkcd comics with Google (100 queries/day).
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last – Onebox most recent xkcd.
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Usage: !xkcd [command][ params]

Santa Claus

!shh

!about

!shh

!about

!owner

Why u stop replying @xkcdBot

Anonymous

@James Your post is quite reasonable, but they probably aren't going to be very receptive to it coming from someone who's not a member of their community.

James

@JeremyBanks You may be right, or perhaps accept a "neutral" user

Anonymous

Somebody should build them a Stack Exchange to Usenet exporter.

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