Tavern on the Meta

Braiam

14:04

but, Community is a good guy...

he deletes all the spam

Jan Dvorak

He also downvotes it, though

Braiam

:(

Jan Dvorak

14:25

eugh stackoverflow.com/questions/27944275/…

bummi

abusive stackoverflow.com/a/27943845/1699210

Bart

@bummi ... made me laugh.

bummi

@Bart did you upvote ;)

Bart

@bummi Bill got to it

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title: Uncaught SecurityError: Blocked a frame with origin “” from accessing a frame with origin “c.cs2.visual.force.com” by Farrukh on salesforce.stackexchange.com

Jan Dvorak

14:43

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/2580475/asp-net-mvc-cms

bummi

@JanDvorak 0 left :(

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/2580475/1699210 rec

gnat

15:02

cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/4722822/eygrachb?tab=accounts Spams for "craiglist" by posting senseless questions, uses name "Eygrachb", if memory serves they dumped stuff just like that a month or two ago (prior accounts were deleted I think - eg at programmers it was this one)

If you suspect spam, by all means drop a post in the Tavern. Then all present can have a look, and in serious cases some of the running bots can be updated to include new specific checks for those posts. — Bart Dec 19 '14 at 9:10

Unihedro

Bot, lock on to that new spammer!

Bart

That reminds me, we're missing @Timpost to go pew pew

gnat

my browser history also contains references to their past accounts at SF, AU, UX, Quant.SE

Bart

I guess the user could be blacklisted?

gnat

@Bart can't tell anything but what is visible to me as regular user. Old programmers account shows me 404, old SF account shows 404 as well

Bart

15:06

Some of the running bots (afaik) can blacklist users as well @gnat. Though I don't know which ones are up and running.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title: Uncaught SecurityError: Blocked a frame with origin “” from accessing a frame with origin “c.cs2.visual.force.com” by Farrukh on salesforce.stackexchange.com

Bart

Ah, there's Smokey :)

Vogel612's Shadow

ya... you reported that one already smokey..

Undo

@Bart blacklisting already-deleted accounts won't do much :(

Bart

Ah, it's pure accounts as well? I thought only usernames @Undo, such as the baba ones.

Undo

15:12

@Bart the fpu / tpu commands work off user IDs, but we can blacklist usernames too.

That might help

jabbink

Emphasis on "headless" with "headless bot"

Bart

Don't now how persistent this one is. Perhaps it's more useful to check on something "craigslist" related instead @Undo.

Vogel612's Shadow

I can't really imagine any se Site where a link to the craigslist would be a good answer...

Bart

Exactly

Undo

Relationships and Dating – relationships.stackexchange.com

Q&A site for people seeking answers to questions about dating and long-term relationships.

Closed after 12 days in beta.

Vogel612's Shadow

15:15

well, guess why it was closed ;)

bjb568

@bluet It's sentient. Not my fault.

Bart

@bjb568 is that Inf putting on her kicking boots that I hear? :p

Undo

15:30

@Dawnkeeper your chat 'about me' is the best thing I've heard all week.

bjb568

No it's not.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HOW CAN I STOP BACKLINK SPAM ON MY SITE by Sasha Essentialz Jevremovic on meta.stackexchange.com

Undo

@SmokeDetector HOW CAN WE STOP PROGRAMMING QUESTIONS ON OUR SITE

7

ProgramFOX

16:21

@ShadowWizard noooo y u do this to me???

:P

user259867

> clf deletes all children of the current figure with visible handles.

Braiam

wut

user259867

Yeah, there should be a site "Software Documentation" for interpreting docs.

3

Unihedro

docs.SE

Andy

cv-pls rec stackoverflow.com/q/16257062/189134

user259867

16:28

(I know what clf does in Matlab, but my students will likely find the above description less than illuminating).

Braiam

17:14

> people with huge unread queues - the largest of which currently has 6658 unread items (and that user was last active 14 minutes ago, so: not dead or anything horrible).

and they aren't bots/socks :O

Mooseman

cv-pls unclear stackoverflow.com/q/27948638/1234256

@Moosebot kill time

@Moosebot del

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: TPE FABRIC VS PVC FABRICS? by user12750 on chemistry.stackexchange.com

rene

@SmokeDetector fixed

Jan Dvorak

no-repro

rene

someone needs to approve my suggested-edit

Jan Dvorak

17:30

OK... I may have discovered a bug

see chemistry.stackexchange.com/posts/23767/edit

Vogel612's Shadow

oh that's cool...

> There is a pending suggested edit in the queue, try again in a few minutes.

Jan Dvorak

Who reports?

ProgramFOX

What's the bug?

Braiam

^ @Jan?

Jan Dvorak

@ProgramFOX Follow the link and see for yourself

ProgramFOX

17:33

@JanDvorak I get an error message, doesn't look like a bug.

Braiam

> There is a pending suggested edit in the queue, try again in a few minutes.

?

Jan Dvorak

It's unstyled...

ProgramFOX

oh

Braiam

yeah, because you are not supposed to go trough the post/id/edit route

Unihedro

@JanDvorak Well, if you spam search queries many times, you get an unstyled "You can perform this action again in N seconds" as well

Very likely bydesign.

Braiam

17:34

the "edit" in the page itself is greyed out

Jan Dvorak

Can we at least add "please" to the message?

@Braiam not if you load soon enough

Vogel612's Shadow

@JanDvorak ehh why?

Jan Dvorak

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27949065/…

eugh stackoverflow.com/questions/27949200/…

ProgramFOX

closed

Jan Dvorak

answered

I see the downvote abuse has begun already. — Lightness Races in Orbit 38 secs ago

NC?

Braiam

17:51

meh, I would just kept silent...

Jan Dvorak

No downvotes from you? Why?

Unihedro

@JanDvorak: You could do if you applied 10 seconds' effort like I did. (And, if you truly can't judge the answer, then why did you cast a vote on it??!!) The problem is very clear and the solution is very simple. This OP is clearly very young so cut him some slack instead of acting all high-and-mighty. I mean, honestly, speaking of "not useful for the site"... — Lightness Races in Orbit 1 min ago

NC imo ^

rene

If you stay away from Haskell and C++ you won't run into this kind of trouble...

Unihedro

@rene I prefer if the Lounge brightens up, really.

It's a breeding field for berserkers.

rene

If someone ever want to splitup SO per tag, move C++ to answers.yahoo.com

Jan Dvorak

18:05

@Griwes be nice. My will to moderate bad content is not a sign of low inteligence. — Jan Dvorak 27 secs ago

useful comment?

Unihedro

@JanDvorak you are not useful for this site. — Griwes 16 secs ago

Yay flags

ProgramFOX

@Unihedro headshot

Unihedro

That's a voting / flagging carnival right there

ProgramFOX

another rude comment there...

@Unihedro eugh, that even has been reposted

Unihedro

> You can flag the comment again in 5 seconds

Jan Dvorak

18:09

Griwes' comment removed - combo x3

deleted!

Unihedro

Rude or offensive one two three four... Not constructive one two three four five six...

Braiam

KABOOM on the question

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: ConvergenceWarning: Maximum Likelihood slows kernel-run-time? by Peter Knutsen on stackoverflow.com

Jan Dvorak

The deleted question now edited by LRiO

rene

> Do not freak out if you read the comments below the response, and it happens like that around here

ProgramFOX

18:14

@SmokeDetector edited

Unihedro

@rene ?

Jan Dvorak

... and undelvoted, presumably by LRiO as well.

rene

@Unihedro comment left under the question in the native language of the OP

Unihedro

in Lounge<C++> on Stack Overflow Chat, 3 mins ago, by Lightness Races in Orbit

I've fixed the question. Please vote to undelete.

lol raid undeleting

Jan Dvorak

Should I join the lounge?

Unihedro

18:17

@JanDvorak Eh, bring firesuits.

Jan Dvorak

Cool, it's getting reopened even before undeletion

Time to watch a Twitch stream...

rene

Don't make this a Tavern against Lounge fight..

3

Jan Dvorak

Why? The lounge is a bunch of foul-mouthed C-lovers anyways...

5

rene

lol

Unihedro

Argh, so tired.

Jan Dvorak

18:29

For those who are wondering... thefreedictionary.com/recuse — Jan Dvorak 17 secs ago

Unihedro

18:40

wtf stackoverflow.com/a/27928859/3622940

dv-pls vlq-pls

bummi

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/4585573/1699210

Jan Dvorak

@Unihedro offensive

@bummi maybe just remove the last paragraph?

bummi

@JanDvorak let him live

@JanDvorak whats about the answers then?

Unihedro

bummi has spoken

Jan Dvorak

@bummi why?

Sam

18:44

Evening!

ProgramFOX

Evening!

Jan Dvorak

Evening!

Unihedro

Eh voting on comments through the LQP Review Queue isn't working

I open the post in a new tab to discover that my vote wasn't casted

Sam

... and the link to comments via the queue don't work in chat.

Unihedro

0

Q: Upvoting comments in the Low Quality Posts Review Queue does not actually upvote the comment

I've tried clicking it with both my mouse and my track pad or on a phone but it really doesn't work, as it doesn't show that the comment has any score at all when I open the post in a new tab.

Pham

18:50

Spam A (100%): I am selling FACEBOOK CONTEST VOTES and LIKES. VOTES and LIKES are 100%..., by Lutfur Hasan, on webmasters.stackexchange.com.

Hobo Sapiens

[cv-pls] Suspected spam: stackoverflow.com/questions/27940303/…

Unihedro

@HoboSapiens bam

Jan Dvorak

deleted

Unihedro

@JanDvorak s,l,e$&

Hobo Sapiens

@Unihedro Gosh - Bill's on form today

Unihedro

18:53

That's good!

bummi

10k tools (new-answers-old-questions) without close votes is ... irritating

Unihedro

Wanna trade?

bummi

trade?

Lynn Crumbling

@bummi He'll borrow your account so that he can be a 10k'er... you can have his account with the close votes :)

bummi

19:09

@LynnCrumbling Oups .... for things like that ... I'm too paranoid

;)

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/18494012/1699210 rec

Lynn Crumbling

@bummi Yeah, I'm sure he's j/k :)

Hah...

56 questions and you have never accepted any despite comments such as thanks this works! You have never even voted!! Good luck getting any further help. — Stephen Muecke Dec 6 '14 at 8:58

^ that's kinda impressive... Never accepting any answers.

"How to lose answerers and alienate people"

Braiam

@LynnCrumbling yet another not-SO user

Lynn Crumbling

yep.

Jan Dvorak

wat superuser.com/questions/864781/…

bummi

@LynnCrumbling ich habe den Faden verloren @-@

Braiam

19:18

Is there any problem with having the process do its work? — Braiam 1 min ago

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: HELP WITH 1 MATH QUESTION by PAMELA on math.stackexchange.com

Jan Dvorak

SPAM mathoverflow.net/questions/193942/…

Lynn Crumbling

Ok.. well, that's the first time you've mentioned windows update. That would have been beneficial information in the original question. @CharlieRB hit the nail on the head; you've come to a place where you're asking people for help with no role whatsoever in your plight. You'd be making a mistake to be anything but patient and grateful during their attempts to fully understand your issue. — Lynn Crumbling 45 secs ago

Jan Dvorak

19:35

WAT webmasters.stackexchange.com/questions/76093/…

Lynn Crumbling

@JanDvorak He says he wants to know how to CSS his new HTML text file (with Ruby)

(grin)

no idea.

Jan Dvorak

Definitely not a pro question

Lynn Crumbling

he'd have better luck replacing the question text with Lorem

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: tsconfig.msc / tsadmin.msc in Server 2012 by Stefan on serverfault.com

Lynn Crumbling

19:59

cv-pls ot-networking stackoverflow.com/q/27950714/656243

cv-pls ot-hardware stackoverflow.com/q/27917585/656243

cv-pls ot-hardware stackoverflow.com/q/27916065/656243

naa stackoverflow.com/a/27885274/656243 and it's parent: cv-pls ot-hardware stackoverflow.com/q/27880635/656243

last one: cv-pls ot-network stackoverflow.com/q/27803732/656243

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Iterate calculations of different length by Tony on stackoverflow.com

Braiam

@SmokeDetector why

...

smokey should learn from pham

user259867

Testing post bodies with regexes turns out to be a lot less productive than doing the same with titles.

Braiam

inb4 SO: how to detect a markov chain with regex

Mooseman

20:21

Always post your code in your question. — j08691 24 secs ago

upvote-pls ^^

Braiam

@Mooseman op edited the question FUUUUU!

Mooseman

@Braiam No he hasn't... (Although he probably will)

Frank

I do the dumbest opening ever, and... I won? wow... chess.com/livechess/game?id=1029366779

Braiam

sorry i as unable to give url to my JSFIDDLE due to some error. — Subhan Ahmed 49 secs ago

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Using tsconfig/tsadmin in Windows Server 2012 locally by Stefan on serverfault.com

Mooseman

20:29

yes but i didn't got how to use JSFiddle link in my question. — Subhan Ahmed 22 secs ago

Braiam

@Mooseman you are simply not supposed to use it?

Mooseman

@Braiam Fiddle good. Fiddle without mcve bad.

nicael

Hey there, thoughts?

0

Q: Shouldn't Area 51 account, when reaches 200 rep give assoc when you have another accounts?

Or this level should be 250 (because email confirmation gives 50 reps). I ran into a user who have >2k rep on A51 and he didn't get assoc to his other two accounts (which are at 1 rep).

feature-request area51 bonus-reputation

Jon Ericson

@nicael meh.

user259867

No it shouldn't. Area 51 rep is earned for different reasons, you even get 50 just for confirming email. And then for posting sensibly-looking titles of questions that you don't even have to write.

Braiam

20:31

@nicael bah

Mooseman

0

A: Shouldn't Area 51 account, when reaches 200 rep, give assoc if you have another accounts?

I don't think so. Having 200 rep on Area 51 doesn't mean you can ask and/or answer questions well.

Braiam

I don't think that anyone that has high reputation only in A51 is ready to use the rest of SE correctly

Lynn Crumbling

Coming from someone who never used A51 and knows nothing of how it works, this conversation is interesting.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive title detected, All-caps title: FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU by Someone on physics.stackexchange.com

Jan Dvorak

no repeating characters?

compromised account?

Braiam

20:45

@JanDvorak nope physics.stackexchange.com/q/158729/30753

Jan Dvorak

offensive, or other->rollback?

hichris123

@JanDvorak I poked the Physics mods about it, so I think it's fine for now.

Jan Dvorak

new edit, still abusive

SmokeDetector

21:30

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: 3DES Key Components by kasai on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: 3DES Key Components by Juris Lacis on stackoverflow.com

hichris123

@SmokeDetector ignore

SmokeDetector

@hichris123 Post ignored; alerts about it will not longer be posted.

hichris123

@SmokeDetector ignore

SmokeDetector

@hichris123 Post ignored; alerts about it will not longer be posted.

Jan Dvorak

two askers, one title?

hichris123

21:31

@JanDvorak Asker & answerer

Jan Dvorak

Smokey's reports suck

user259867

Repeating false positives: SmokeDetector in Tavern on the Meta

hichris123

@JanDvorak Go fix 'em. While I fix them as well. :P

user259867

This isn't a matter of bug fixing, the approach to text analysis isn't really working.

hichris123

@Fundamental What do you mean?

user259867

21:35

Regexes don't understand what a moderately long chunk of text is about.

user259867

Pham's logic is different, and it's more successful in finding NAAs.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: GMIC FILTER OVERLAY? by Joey Bennett on blender.stackexchange.com

hichris123

True.

So... how do you think we should approach it?

SmokeDetector

@hichris123 Post ignored; alerts about it will not longer be posted.

Pham

Low Quality A?: you can see links for independent and correlated case: airccj.o..., by Marwane, on mathoverflow.net.

Braiam

21:36

1 hour ago, by Braiam

inb4 SO: how to detect a markov chain with regex

hichris123

@SmokeDetector wut

Are you mad, @SmokeDetector?

Braiam

@Pham the heck?

user259867

@Pham Pham responded to "ask" command.

user259867

Meaning take a look. I took a look and said "meh", let the interested people figure out if those links give enough info to be worth keeping.

Undo

repeating characters doesn't check numbers anymore

hichris123

21:43

chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/2906354#2906354 @Fundamental?

user259867

@hichris123 More like Pham, using a combination of suspicious factors instead of binary checks (match, no match)

hichris123

@Fundamental Huh. Yeah, maybe...

Undo

we can do that

Jan Dvorak

that C++ question got undeleted... stackoverflow.com/questions/27949200/…

Should I edit and undownvote LRiO's answer?

user259867

Does the answer need editing?

Jan Dvorak

21:49

It could use some. Also, it'll be needed if I am to undownvote.

Doorknob

Nice, @LIghtness, answering and voting to close...

Jan Dvorak

Which I really don't want to do... but @brad not only undeleted the question for some reason, but someone deleted the comments explaining the downvotes...

user259867

It took 5 users to close, then 3 users to delete, then three more to undelete. Instead of one user to copy-paste the problematic code into the question.

Jan Dvorak

Still not worth keeping...

user259867

That may be the case.

Jan Dvorak

21:54

If nothing else happens, it will get roomba'd anyways...

Braiam

@JanDvorak remembers a meme/vid with similar construction

Jan Dvorak

One meme, two uses?

Only the original usage is disgusting, though

Braiam

there's also an xkcd

Doorknob

Also no results: 1girl10000cups, 2girls(5+3i)cups, 65536girls65536cups, or 3frenchhens2turtledoves1cup.

Braiam

in Unix and Linux on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, May 7 '14 at 18:55, by terdon

@Braiam Oh for fuck's sake man, I really did not need to know that.

sometimes you can't just google stuff you don't know

Jan Dvorak

21:58

possible LQ filter: answered by LRiO

in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 min ago, by Jhawins

Always always answering worthless bullshit questions

Braiam

Our phones must have great angular momentum sensors because the compasses really suck.

Doorknob

@Braiam Yeah, I only kind of got that one. Is the joke about that one guy's uncertainty principle (which I only vaguely remember reading about a while ago)? Too much science. :P

hichris123

@Doorknob explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Braiam

@hichris123 you don't need to dumb it down for @Doorknob ;)

Doorknob

@hichris123 Oh, heh, thanks, forgot that was a thing

Yeah, Heisenberg, that's it.

Braiam

22:10

Hey! There's Breaking Bad!

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: "Grit" vs "gritted" by user106220 on english.stackexchange.com

Doorknob

Erm, NAA?

@SmokeDetector tp

SmokeDetector

@Doorknob Registered as true positive: added title to Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

Undo

I can kind of see the relevance.

ɥʇǝS

Wow you know, just realized I actually remember the days when crickets was relevant to this room..

Braiam

22:19

@ɥʇǝS Smokey smoke them, and Pham got them for dinner

2

Pham

Low Quality A (25.7%): i have the same issue...reported by apple app store review people, by Dave Lee, on stackoverflow.com.

ɥʇǝS

@Braiam Indeed.

Braiam

@Pham no repro

Pham

22:38

Low Quality A (100%): I am also unable to delete them all at the same time., by Jean Burke, on android.stackexchange.com.

bjb568

NAA

Mooseman

na na na na, naa naa naa naa, hey not an A, goodbye

bjb568

yeah, that

hichris123

@Fundamental Should be a bit better now. Undo made the repeating character regex better, and I changed it to show "in answer" if it was in the answer. But still a long way to go.

Undo

we're planning to use hichris' fancy logarithmic thingy once he cleans up the code :P

bjb568

22:41

y ur code no clean

goto CRSE

Braiam

work ~~slave~~ @hichris123!

hichris123

@bjb568 Because it was just a hack to see if it would work. And it actually is fairly accurate.

bjb568

but no is clean

hichris123

nope

Pham

Offensive A (20%): ★★★★★★ ★★★ ★★★★★ ★★★★★★ ★★★★★ ★★★★ ★★★★ ★★★★★★★ ★★★★ ★★ ★★★ ★★★★ ★★★★★★★★★★, by ★★★★★, on android.stackexchange.com.

Sam

22:47

^ Not really that off.

Just "crap".

user259867

@Doorknob You added the title of question to doctype "bad", based on it getting a bad answer?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Why I can't insert data in a model from a custom controller? by user3754535 on stackoverflow.com

user259867

The tp command is getting tricky.

hichris123

@SmokeDetector @Undo

user259867

@SmokeDetector ignore, nothing wrong there

SmokeDetector

22:58

@Fundamental Post ignored; alerts about it will not longer be posted.

hichris123

@Fundamental I almost want to make it not work on answers. Thoughts?

Braiam

4

Q: iOS beta testers, we miss you

We're getting ready to push out a new release of the iOS app and need beta testers. If you're a beta tester who has switched to the App Store version, please hop onto the beta build and let us know what needs improvement. If you're already a beta tester and you've been actively using the app, hi...

support ios-app

@bjb568 ^

user259867

@hichris123 Suggestion: all body triggers get auto-ignore (i.e., no repeat) and no commands are executed based on chat responses to them.

user259867

Because it's unlikely that chat responses can teach Smokey to better analyze long text chunks.

hichris123

@Fundamental First one is hard, second one seems like a good idea.

user259867

23:01

@hichris123 Okay, the second is the main point. But then ignore should be the only command accepted for body triggers.

Undo

here's an idea: We require the repeating characters to be >x% of the length of the post

hichris123

@Undo Ooh good idea. But how do you make that happen?

Undo

@hichris123 I think we get matches back from the regex engine

hichris123

@Undo Yeah, but couldn't one match be the whole post?

Undo

@hichris123 if the whole post is repeating characters, we don't want it, right?

hichris123

23:04

@Undo aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

... see my point? :P

Doorknob

23:21

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 hour ago, by Doorknob

Wait... @hichris123 @Undo did my tp on the answer just apply to the question?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Allocating RAM for modded client and server by titit on gaming.stackexchange.com

user259867

Yay, tp! Flaggable as abusive, methinks.

hichris123

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 55.7896: Balancing all but one weight on puzzling.stackexchange.com

user259867

@hichris123 fp

hichris123

@SmokeDetector ... okay, I guess I didn't fix that. :P

AstroCB

23:36

23

Q: What happened to review bans?

Over the past few weeks, I've noticed that audits are showing up more frequently, but that the consequences are not as severe. This may just be me (there are those who swear that this doesn't happen to them), but before this, I could pass 15-20 audits in a row only to fail one and be banned. The...

discussion review-audits review-ban

^ If they ever loosened up, they just pulled the reins back in.

ɥʇǝS

Or randomness.

AstroCB

ɥʇǝS

Touché.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: I NEED HELP PLEASE by N-haulic on gaming.stackexchange.com

hichris123

23:56

@SmokeDetector Fixed.

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