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animuson

00:11

This kitty don't like no werewolves.

nicael

00:29

Do u care? It isn't minor, is it?

I did want to post a req to svgify The Snowflake.

3ventic

They seem to use the same image from year-to-year so it might be worth posting

bjb568

00:52

@animuson no kitty like wolves

Braiam

ok, is definitively weird seeing Spock with sunglasses

ɥʇǝS

imagines a spock "deal with it" gif...

hmm, do you get hats on per site metas?

animuson

@ɥʇǝS No. They're disabled.

ɥʇǝS

I see.

I thought they worked last year?

hichris123

I figured out how to make hats larger.

animuson

01:05

I don't know if they did on per-site Metas or not last year because MSO was still MSE last year. :P And I don't really participate on any other Metas.

ɥʇǝS

@hichris123 just drag the rotation knob

@animuson oh okay :P

animuson

Eeek! The blog has been over-run by odd characters I don't understand!

Hahahaha I accepted their challenge of running it through Google Translate and I feel like I'm reading a mad lib.

Doorknob 冰

@animuson Yep, this is fun :D

Hobo Sapiens

cv-pls An elderly off-topic on which the close votes expire :( stackoverflow.com/q/23183100/1864610

Doorknob 冰

> knob

:D

ɥʇǝS

01:16

heh ;P

Any luck with hairboat @Doorknob冰?

Doorknob 冰

@ɥʇǝS Oh yeah, I was going to try to figure out how to get that.

I just found out that existed this morning.

ɥʇǝS

I've been thinking and tinkering all day but I can't figure it out.

Hobo Sapiens

@animuson Ahh - the power of the diamond... Thank ye.

Braiam

I reread something Pinkman-style... that was horrible!

Doorknob 冰

-4

Q: How to draw in NDC co-ordinates?

I am new to openGL and working on a game. My viewing parameters are: eye 0 -5 3 viewup 0 1.5 0 lookat 0 0 0 I have multiple objects all transformed,scaled,rotated differently. I want a background with texture for the game. Someone told me the best way to do is draw a quad in NDC. How would I do ...

Someone cv as off-topic so we get one of each. :D

@HoboSapiens Out of curiosity, is the profile picture a reference to Nethack? ;)

bjb568

01:35

towson.edu/ows/faultycomp.htm jajaja (sry, spanish exam comming up)

Braiam

> Botto ice cream contains 50% less fat

sounds like an ad

bjb568

Yup. Spammers no tienen ingles y son stupido.

tchrist

Wow, I didn’t know Guugle Transfate worked here!

bjb568

Huh google translate says stupido is italian.

estúpidos is spanish.

tchrist

Of course.

No liquid s’s in Spanish.

bjb568

01:44

I have no idea what a liquid s is.

tchrist

That means they can’t occur at the start of a syllable before a stop.

bjb568

Okey

tchrist

So they pronounce the English word STOP more like estoz.

Or estof, or estó. But they can’t do st-.

As you see, they also have trouble with unvoiced stops at the end of the word, too. :)

bjb568

Huh.

tchrist

Yeah.

bjb568

01:46

Why don't we all just speak javascript? Much easier.

tchrist

We take for granted what can go where, as though everybody does that.

Spaniards and Japanese are two of the better known groups who have rather limited syllable possibilities.

But think of all the crazy Greek words we don’t say both consonants in at the start of the word anymore.

Psyche. Gnomic.

Or even Germanic knight.

Pneumatic.

Braiam

but spanish is easily readable

tchrist

Sure.

If you say so. :)

Braiam

you just have to read it as it's written

no weird three consonant plus two vowel sounds

tchrist

The phonology is rather more complex than people think.

Well, how do you explain to somebody that the second consonant in Spanish cada is the same one as at the start of the English word the?

Braiam

01:50

btw, my name can't be separated in syllables :P

tchrist

Yes it can, because there are no phonemic triphthongs in English.

Braiam

that's the catch... my name isn't english-based

tchrist

Doesn’t matter.

Braiam

¬_¬

tchrist

You can’t squeeze aia in one syllable.

Braiam

01:52

writes "aia" in a paper and name a box "syllable" and squeezes the paper in it

DONE! >:)

tchrist

2

A: Do “playas” and RP “pliers” have triphthongs, or are they two syllables?

The word playa is pronounced /ˈplaɪ.ə/ in English with two syllables. English doesn’t really have triphthongs at the phonetic level. Famed English phonetician John Wells, author of the Longman Pronunciation Dictionary doesn’t, believe that vowel sequences traditionally considered “triphthongs” ...

Gosh, what horrible punctuation.

bjb568

> Please delete. Very off-topic. – bjb568 4 hours ago declined - flags should only be used to make moderators aware of content that requires their intervention

DELETION NEEDS MOD. I NO CAN DELETE

tchrist

Where?

Braiam

"phonemic"?

tchrist

And I fixed the pucktuation so you can take back your downvote.

And fixed that.

It can occur at the phonetic level but not the phonemic level. See JBJ’s comment.

@bjb568 What do you want deleted?

bjb568

01:56

stackoverflow.com/questions/1491450/… already deleted

tchrist

Oh fine.

jadarnel27

@MartijnPieters That doesn't sound like something I would do.

I'm a real jerk.

hichris123

@ɥʇǝS I know, just figured that out.

ɥʇǝS

Really?! What?

I literally spent about an hour trying to figure it out..

oh bah.

Thought you had replied to an earlier message of mind.

hichris123

@ɥʇǝS I did. ;)

ɥʇǝS

02:03

No, an even earlier one.

hichris123

oh

ɥʇǝS

or hrm, maybe it was a later one.. anyway, a different question :P

hichris123

02:18

@animuson around?

Doorknob 冰

@bjb568 You != The Entirety of Users on Stack Exchange

animuson

Around what?

hichris123

@animuson ... to nuke some really bad questions.

bjb568

@Doorknob冰 So?

Doorknob 冰

> flags should only be used to make moderators aware of content that requires their intervention

bjb568

02:20

@Doorknob冰 Yeah, like deletion.

hichris123

30

Q: Heroku like hosting in Europe?

Is there a serious heroku challenger that would not be in US ?

hosting heroku

^ Like that.

Doorknob 冰

@bjb568 Deletion does not require mods' intervention.

hichris123

55

Q: API for a Google Keep app?

Is there coming API for a Google Keep app? Would be cool to be able to create a widget for desktop.

google-keep

animuson

Ha the comments on that are hilarious.

Doorknob 冰

@hichris123 Delete vote applied

hichris123

02:20

^ Or that.

bjb568

@Doorknob冰 Most of the time, it does.

animuson

> +1 Another useful question closed by pedants.

bjb568

Especially the times when somebody flags.

hichris123

@animuson lol

Doorknob 冰

@bjb568 Not really, actually. (In fact, the question you referenced was community-deleted.)

In any case, the decline message is quite unambiguous

hichris123

02:21

21

Q: How To Stream Live Video From iPhone To a Media Server Like Wowza?

I can get individual uncompressed frames from the iPhone's camera in iOS4. What i need is a way to package them up with sound for streaming TO a server. I've been searching for a solution on the internet but I did not found much helping info. There are much more info about playing video streaming...

iphone encoding ios4 video-streaming real-time

Gems here.

I'm outraged this question was deemed 'not a real question.' This is pathetic moderation. — user May 8 '13 at 15:36

If you don't understand the question due to your lack of knowledge of a specific field, does that imply the question is not real? What kind of wisdom is that? P.S. Do you see the votes on the question? — Usman.3D Feb 10 at 6:46

bjb568

@Doorknob冰 Still, I remember on meta it said you can flag for a mod to edit if you can't (on child metas). That "I no wannu" attitude is annoying.

hichris123

Can I have your delete votes, @Doorknob冰? ;)

Doorknob 冰

@hichris123 You already do, for all three. :P

@bjb568 It's not called "annoying;" it's called "community moderation."

hichris123

@Doorknob冰 I meant can I steal them and use them on my own account. But that works too.

There's more!

16

Q: ASP.NET MVC 4 book?

I'm looking for a good ASP.Net MVC 4.0 book available for study today. Work in progress ebook would be great, wouldn't mind paying. Steve Sanderson and Adam Freeman's Pro ASP.NET MVC 4 book is due on June but though the book's page is available on APress, I couldn't find it in their Alpha progra...

asp.net-mvc

Doorknob 冰

@hichris123 That one even already has a delete vote

One to go

hichris123

02:24

14

Q: Github gist copyright

Who holds the rights on github gist posting, or any other public posting for that matter, when no licensing information is provided?

github licensing

bjb568

@Doorknob冰 Deletion of a question takes insanely high amounts of rep that it is highly ineffective if not facilitated by a moderator which regularly handles exceptions like the post I flagged.

7

Q: Radio buttons not validating correctly

I have this questionnaire that I use to begin an app. I'm using javascript to validate before I submit it, but I'm running into a problem where it is only validating the second button on each question and not validating each question individually. I have posted code below. Questionnaire <? ...

javascript jquery validation

^ Y so many votes?

hichris123

lol

14

Q: Why Silverlight is so annoying

I realize that I am about to make a statement some of you won't agree with. Feel free to leave a comment. I am a consulter with a ASP.NET/MVC/CSS/HTML/AJAX background working for a client approved Silverlight (v.4) as a platform for their enterprise application about 2 years ago. The application...

silverlight

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 61.0450: where to buy swtor credits with free bonus in New year? on gamedev.stackexchange.com

Doorknob 冰

@hichris123 spammity spam spam

bjb568

And why's this have so many votes? stackoverflow.com/q/27489927/2371861

Doorknob 冰

@bjb568 First Posts review queue :(

Although it's not a bad question

bjb568

02:27

It's borderline should be improved / unsalvageable IMO.

ɥʇǝS

:O

I earned hairboat!

Aha!

hichris123

@ɥʇǝS What did you do?

ɥʇǝS

I think I know!

Doorknob 冰

Gasp!

bjb568

holy upvoted code dump stackoverflow.com/q/27476008/2371861

ɥʇǝS

02:29

give me a minute to verify.

hichris123

Feeding the roomba is actually kinda satisfying.

ɥʇǝS

okay, yes.

hichris123

@Doorknob冰 stackoverflow.com/questions/18007613/difficulty-learning-c

Doorknob 冰

@ɥʇǝS I be testing your theory

bjb568

Doorknob 冰

02:32

It's sad to see how close-happy SO is becoming. This is an excellent question. — Homer6 Aug 9 '13 at 22:16

bjb568

^^ Which chatroom am I in?

Doorknob 冰

quietly weeps

ɥʇǝS

I'm not sure if I should have posted that answer or not @Doorknob冰 :P

Kinda feel like I'm ruining it all, but kinda feel like I found a treasure no one else could find, but wanted to :P

Now @Oded is gonna kill me D:

hichris123

@Doorknob冰 Just gimme a 5k bounty and I'll help del-vote questions! :P

ɥʇǝS

did it work @Doorknob冰?

user259867

02:40

@hichris123 20 minutes until the 9-day closed question roomba runs.

hichris123

@Behaviour Yeah I fed it like 70 questions. Should be happy!

Braiam

gasp! Fast! Find closed questions not being roombawed!

hichris123

@Braiam stackoverflow.com/…

Braiam

> have you tried exporting the ear from netbeans and manually deploying it to geronimo. There's no reason why it shouldn't work, if it's simple enough.

I'm sad that it's actually a thing

user259867

@hichris123 best to sort by newest; the questions that remains closed and unanswered for years are the most obvious candidates.

Braiam

02:44

I actually I'm thriving for the last page of "active"

Hobo Sapiens

@Doorknob冰 No - nothing to do with it at all. Just a coincidence

user259867

I have 263 non-accepted 0-score answers, most of them on questions with no other answer. Time to go badger OPs to accept but not upvote.

Frank

@Behaviour Upvoting is good tho

user259867

@Frank I still don't have Naruto hat. >:$

Frank

@Behaviour I see.

@Behaviour That's a lot of 0 scored answers.

user259867

02:58

@Frank That's in addition to 106 accepted 0-score answers. But none of those happened during Winterbash.

Frank

How many answers have you posted?

user259867

The system lost count. :(

user259867

6

Q: Answer count in network profile is less than the actual count

My network profile cites the number of answers on Mathematics that is consistently less (by 13) than the actual number, shown on my site profile. It goes like this: network profile: 1306; site profile: 1319 network profile: 1307; site profile: 1320 network profile: 1313; site profile: 1326 ...

bug answers network-profile

Frank

Wow, they really don't vote much on Math.se

I haz near your rep on GL, but with less than 500 answers.

Of course, I don't dv so much

Braiam

@Frank there is just this guy that downvotes "too much"

user259867

03:01

Well, I do. But not in that direction.

user259867

How's the hat race on GL? Any competitors?

Frank

@Behaviour Not really.

Hobo Sapiens

cv-pls Off-topic and cross-posted too. stackoverflow.com/q/27328399/1864610 (It seems the cross-post has gone now)

hichris123

03:21

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 69.2334: i have problem with updater ubuntu 14.04 on askubuntu.com

ɥʇǝS

my bad for that typo @InfiniteRecursion, thanks for catching it.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ADDING CONSTRAINT ON AN EXISTING TABLE by NashTamu on stackoverflow.com

Infinite Recursion

@ɥʇǝS :D

hichris123

@ɥʇǝS What typo?

oh lol

Infinite Recursion

I fix ALL the typos :P

SmokeDetector

03:43

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ADDING CONSTRAINT ON AN EXISTING TABLE by NashTamu on stackoverflow.com

Andrew T.

nvm, I didn't notice the error message on the code block before

So, ja.so is on public beta... and I saw a question about "how to clear Chrome cache", upvoted and answered... when "trying" to flag it, the only off-topic reason is "completely off-topic" or migration to meta.ja.so

goes to read their Tour first

their sample question seems to be tools recommendation to check Ruby/Rails syntax code... hmm...

bjb568

04:02

Have you found a solution other than any of the ones provided here? If you have, I think all participants would love to know what solution you've implemented. If not, it would be nice if you could mark one of the provided solutions as an answer or comment on either of them to point out what they're missing to become a good solution for you. :) — asbjornu Apr 29 '10 at 22:02

user259867

@AndrewT. Took the Tour. The only thing I understood is that their sample Q&A is not about unicorns and daisies. Good.

bjb568

^^ question in '08, comment in '10, last active today, no accepted answer

user259867

@bjb568 Because there is no good way to justify anything with CSS.

bjb568

Yes there is.

Because CSS.

user259867

►

user259867

04:05

Eh, the onebox did not come out as I expected.

7

Braiam

@Behaviour click bait intensifies

Andrew T.

a slightly NSFW thumbnail~

(maybe not "not safe", but "not appropriate")

Braiam

> The uploader has not made this video available in your country.

another advantage of living in my country...

user259867

@AndrewT. Considering the video, it could be worse.

Andrew T.

click bait. lol

SmokeDetector

04:12

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: CREATE THE ARRAY OF CLASS STEDENT by user2006916 on stackoverflow.com

bjb568

> DevDoodle aims to be a universal repository of programming knowledge contained in multiple formats to allow the easy use and distribution of time-saving information for programmers.

How's that for a mission statement?

Jan Dvorak

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27497380/…

Braiam

needs more "impossible", sounds more cool like that

bjb568

> DevDoodle aims to be a universal repository of programming knowledge contained in multiple formats to allow the easy use and distribution of time-saving information for programmers. We're making the impossible possible! throughughugh encouragement and emphasis of diversity, synergy, innovation, globalization… our focus on our core competencies boosts our bottom line

Braiam

FANTASTIC!

Andrew T.

04:15

thru

bjb568

Okeydoke, so probably just the first part.

user259867

@bjb568 Do programmers write like that? :/

user259867

If you want the image of by developers, for developers... it's better to start over.

bjb568

@Behaviour … turn … on … sarcasm … detector

Santa Claus

in Secrets, 23 secs ago, by Santa Claus

Hmm, I wonder if I post in this seeeecret room, maybe I'll get a seeeecret hat.

Shog9

04:20

DevDoodle aggregates customized users to synergize dot-com applications architecting dynamic initiatives in pursuit of bleeding-edge methodologies.

6

Hard to beat the web economy bullshit generator for brevity and style.

7

Jan Dvorak

"oligodendrocytes ... wrap themselves to form the insulting myelin sheath" - wait, what? TIL. — Jan Dvorak 20 secs ago

bjb568

\o/ Night!

Braiam

@Shog9 or, you know, monkeys and a keyboard

Infinite Recursion

DevDoodle aims to improve English thru out the world!

4

Jan Dvorak

bcos y write extra letters if it sounds the same

Braiam

04:26

y u eng so difficult!

Santa Claus

Night!

Jan Dvorak

04:42

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/140892/…

Yay! I've got a secret hat

Has the Fascinating hat been cracked already?

animuson

Yes.

Jan Dvorak

no Eureka hat for me, then? :-(

animuson

Fascinating Spoiler meta.stackexchange.com/a/245173

user259867

Boo. I wasn't going to read that thread to avoid the spoilers.

user259867

Blog announcement of ja.SO

user259867

04:54

SE should turn off comments on language-related announcements. :/

Sompuperoo

DevDoodle.SE will be amazing

surprised no ones proposed yet

user259867

You mean a site for questions and answers about DevDoodle?

Sompuperoo

@Behaviour yes! THe current place for that is the Tavern, it should get it's own site

Jan Dvorak

*noone's, *its own

Sompuperoo

does everyone have a waffle, I see @Doorknob冰 does too now

user259867

05:07

I don't have a waffle. I'm too busy electioneering on Math to hunt for secret hats...

animuson

No electioneering within 200 feet of the polling place!

user259867

But it's fun!

user259867

> I should admit that I have a specific personal interest in getting access to the moderator tools on Stack Exchange: I'm the maintainer and primary developer of SOUP

Sompuperoo

Google is even participating in the Winter Bash it seems. Type in a holiday name in the search it you get decorations. google.com/#q=hanukkah

Undo

05:23

Isolated how to get Fascinating

Sompuperoo

@Undo do you want me/anyone to tell you?

Undo

no, I figured it out. I think.

DroidDev

Morning!

Sompuperoo

Hatterday!

Jan Dvorak

Morning!

hichris123

05:33

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 50.3079: New Mac Pro: Setup/Migration Assistant never finishes on apple.stackexchange.com

Undo

@hichris123 Why did that post here? :/

hichris123

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 84.2716: how to recover yahoo mail account? on superuser.com

Sompuperoo

@GrantWinney this isn't a case of honest curiosity... — Matthew Haugen 21 hours ago

@animuson , meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/280372/…

animuson

Another one of those.

People constantly complaining about active close flags is getting really annoying.

Jan Dvorak

nuke-pls superuser.com/questions/853108/best-vpns-on-the-market

nuke-pls superuser.com/questions/853109/…

Sompuperoo

05:43

You kids and your selfies. Next you'll be asking how to get a twerking hat. — ThisSuitIsBlackNot 7 hours ago

hichris123

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 86.0587: Please let me know what type of plant I purchased here? And how to take care of this. on gardening.stackexchange.com

Undo

@hichris123 I think your bot is borked, flooding the Tavern with stuff :P

We could spam flag stuff and suspend him... >:D

animuson

I'm pretty sure that question would have even gotten an auto-flag for low quality score. It's just one line and an image.

Jan Dvorak

06:01

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/140896/…

Undo

@JanDvorak gone

Jan Dvorak

@Undo \o/

DroidDev

06:21

SPAM stackoverflow.com/a/27498676/2389078

bummi

@LynnCrumbling uff thanks :)

Jan Dvorak

gone

SilentKiller

06:37

nuke-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27498759/…

Jan Dvorak

Just wait for roomba

SilentKiller

-16 in 12 mins.. nice record.

Andrew T.

didn't expect to be that low~

user259867

@AndrewT. I think some users still don't have Imitation Crab & Red Shirt...

user259867

'tis a bad time to post bad questions.

DroidDev

06:42

I want to earn a Warm Welcome hat so much, but they won't let me...

Andrew T.

See user with 1 or 101 rep, then upvote their post

user259867

I don't want that one, does not fit my SE personality...

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: CASE INSENSITIVE URL USING TOMCAT 7 by user1507 on stackoverflow.com

Andrew T.

I have told myself not to induce behavior change due to hats,

DroidDev

@AndrewT. I haven't seen a upvote worthy post since last 2 hours from new users in android and I am not going to get my hopes up for the rest of day...

Andrew T.

06:45

@DroidDev well... android... good luck :P

user259867

I posted my second-ever question on Math... typed it on desktop, emailed to self and copy-pasted to the app. Other than that, no changes in behaviour... I'm still almost perfectly normal.

DroidDev

cv-plz dupe stackoverflow.com/q/27498960/2389078

SilentKiller

i am afraid this Hats can create serial upvote issue on good questions too. :/

Andrew T.

oh, I haven't finished my previous sentence,

DroidDev

@AndrewT. lol, thanks for that, I need it, if I intend to earn that hat in android

Jan Dvorak

06:59

SPAM wordpress.stackexchange.com/questions/172395/…

SilentKiller

gone ^

bummi

07:11

spam stackoverflow.com/a/27499318/1699210

spamming user on 2 OT questions stackoverflow.com/a/27499189/1699210

Jan Dvorak

SPAM drupal.stackexchange.com/questions/140901/…

bummi

please care for the questions too

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/19088845/1699210

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/24135513/1699210

Hobo Sapiens

Pls Nuke: stackoverflow.com/q/27491165/1864610 cv-pls

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Why does weight loss lower blood pressure? by Mew on biology.stackexchange.com

SilentKiller

spam ^ ?

bummi

07:22

@SilentKiller no biologiy

user259867

@SilentKiller Really?

Hobo Sapiens

@bummi Voted

SilentKiller

@Behaviour asking

user259867

You did not have question mark there at first.

SilentKiller

@bummi after reading it got confused whether its spam or not. thats why i kept '?'

@Behaviour ^

user259867

07:24

I see absolutely nothing like spam there.

SilentKiller

normally title with "weight loss" are always spam.

user259867

Maybe exclude Biology from weight-lossy regex, @Undo?

user259867

@SilentKiller Yeah, that's how the Tavern life conditions people. :)

hichris123

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 66.3130: Process for coding open-ended survey question data? on ux.stackexchange.com

DroidDev

rec-tool? stackoverflow.com/q/27499319/2389078?

SmokeDetector

07:34

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Look Young with Anti Aging Skin Treatments And Botox Treatment by skimtreatment on drupal.stackexchange.com

hichris123

[ SmokeDetector ] Score of 69.0674: Look Young with Anti Aging Skin Treatments And Botox Treatment on drupal.stackexchange.com

Andrew T.

spam~

user259867

@AndrewT. So what's with that unfinished sentence?

Jan Dvorak

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/245339/…

DroidDev

cv-plz rec-tool stackoverflow.com/q/27499319/2389078

user259867

07:37

\o/ all spam gone

Andrew T.

I.. erm.. just saying that since I was too eager to get a crab, I abused search to list 5 questions with negative score already...

DroidDev

finally...an upvote worthy question from new user on android

user259867

Oh. I did not think that downvote-able question on SO were hard to find... :)

DroidDev

@AndrewT. you could have just opened newest question tab on android. I got it in just half an hour on my first day of hats...

user259867

@DroidDev Did you get Warm Welcome for it?

Andrew T.

07:39

yeah, shame on me :(

DroidDev

@Behaviour waiting for it...

@Behaviour oops! it wasn't a new user. The user just had 1 repz since last 9 months

cv-pls "rec-tool" stackoverflow.com/q/27499784/2389078

Jan Dvorak

@DroidDev can't you just remove the last paragraph?

DroidDev

@JanDvorak that won't change the intentions

Jan Dvorak

*last sentence

Andrew T.

> thanks

DroidDev

07:47

@JanDvorak plus, if it was a good question, with some research done, some efforts and a good problemo, I'd definitely have done that...

too-broad? stackoverflow.com/q/27499812/2389078

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Andrew T.

not sure, he doesn't ask for code. True there are 3/4 questions, but they are all related, and can be answered in less than 2 paragraphs.

(I think)

DroidDev

approve-plz stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/6495984

@AndrewT. I think he is a possible help-vamp

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