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00:36
@bjb568 what the...
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@hichris123 It does not look that bad... compared to things like this
01:23
@balpha promise it's not a boring random character string?
I'm sure I reported a Data-explorer bug re sorting by clicking on column titles, and I believe it was reported to be fixed in the "next" build, but it can still be seen in data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/36599/… . This was a while ago and I'm more interested in locating my notes on meta than confirming it is not fixed or the fix not released.
However I've just been called to lunch, so I won't be responding soon!
@MarkHurd I'm assuming it's one of these?
Is locked question cannot be edited by anyone, including mod?
@AndrewT. They can be edited by ♦ moderators, but nobody else
Ok, thanks.
01:47
ELI5: Why do people change their display names? It's confusing. stares at namechangers
Has anyone else found out that it doesn't go to the nyan cat page when you put html tags in the box? winterbash2014.stackexchange.com
@bjb568 I only added a snowflake thingy. Also, what's an ELI5?
@Doorknob冰 Oh, not you. ELI5 = explain as if I had the background knowledge of the supposed average human aged 5 earth-sun cycles.
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Who started this ELI5? Reddit?
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01:52
23 hours ago, by Tim Stone
On the off chance it gives someone warm fuzzies. Full stop.
user259867
^ reason for my namechange.
@AndrewT. probably
Now I understand. :P (I actually answered a question on reddit with the title of ELI5)
@WarmFuzzies Of course, @TimStone is the answer to life, the universe, and everything. Didn't you know?
\o/
Although that sounds like a lot of responsibility...I'm not sure about this.
@TimStone Do you just always have a Tavern tab open?
@hichris123 I do.
I always have a TL, a PPCG chat, a Puzzling chat, a Tavern, a Charcoal, and a Puzzling mods tab open.
01:58
@hichris123 I do!
I have...
14 chat tabs open at the moment
And by the moment I mean like 95% of the time.
@TimStone How many total tabs? Do you need tab managment? :P
I have 87 tabs open
@Doorknob冰 I do when I'm on the computer (TL, Tavern, Charcoal). But I shut this computer down everyday!
@TimStone Yep. Do you use AnnoTab?
I do not
llama@llama:~$ uptime                                                  19:59:40
 19:59:42 up 94 days, 13:41, 12 users,  load average: 0.78, 0.94, 0.98
@hichris123 ^
02:00
91
A: Is there a Chrome extension that I can use to note why I've opened a tab?

ManishearthUpdate: I published this extension here. So I just created a quick extension that does this: AnnoTabe For now, you have to install it by downloading a crx from here. Since Chrome doesn't allow directly installing crx files, you'll have to drag-drop the downloaded file to the extensions settings...

@Doorknob冰 This is my home server (what I run Smokey on):
~$ uptime
21:00:46 up 33 days, 11:30,  3 users,  load average: 0.12, 0.05, 0.05
@Doorknob冰 I can't wait until I have a 4 core home server running ubuntu (it's from '08, one of the first quad cores, the Q6600). Then I can build stuff like Android or Chrome on it.
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02:18
yesterday, by Anna Lear
If you're only submitting suggested edits just so you can downvote posts.... you're doing Stack Exchange wrong.
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Not only for that... also to have reduced advertising. Getting tired of the banners.
None of that on DevDoodle.
None of that on keyboardfire.com. (Yet.) :P
designed by a dev
Heads up: We're taking #stackexchange and #stackoverflow search offline for an #elasticsearch upgrade here in about 30 minutes. ETA < 30 min
02:31
OMG!?!>>>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOOOOOO
user259867
System 32 deleted.... congratulations?
MacBook Air 2012 has System32 and can run .bat file????
Hi 4 new people in chat!
@Doorknob冰 Unfortunately no. I must have only commented somewhere. Nevertheless I did find where it was reported to be waiting for "a pull and redeploy": meta.stackexchange.com/a/228322/147650
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Observation: crappy SO questions are more entertaining that crappy math questions. There's greater diversity of topics and of levels of crappiness.
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02:49
Hey we decided to do the #stackoverflow #elasticsearch upgrade live with hangouts on-air: https://plus.google.com/events/ct74dmh9tet8v61i58gmtc8p4ck
Direct youtube link to our #elasticsearch upgrade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0U5KaWzDKE
grabs cheerios
lol FTL
Welcome to Stack Exchange: where our maintenance consists of DBA's/sysadmins playing games.
Is a youtube live stream supposed to cause Safari Web Content to crash?
02:57
anyone that it's watching the hangout can tell me what codecs your browser supports? youtube.com/html5
@bjb568 ... yeah, because Safari is crap.
HTMLVideoElement
H.264
WebM VP8
Media Source Extensions
MSE & H.264
MSE & WebM VP9
(Chrome 41)
@hichris123 all of them?
So I just got lots of friends to play thewikigame.com with me. And they just ruined my 6 in a row first place streak. :P
@Braiam Yep.
It's Chrome, sooo... ;)
HTMLVideoElement
WebM VP8
on FF 33.1.1, Win XP SP3
02:58
@AndrewT. are you able to play it?
err.. .wat
@Braiam yes
Chrome on Android also no problem
I don't know what's going on anymore
Uhm, is chat search down?
nope.
03:02
nope.
Listening to the Hangout is funny because their system of updating seems to be something along the lines of, "Let's update. Oh no, I broke something! Too bad."
@hichris123 And youtube.
Mostly youtube.
@bjb568 Lies.
srsly?
How is he not clicking on the notifications?!! crazy
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03:05
Devs probably used to tune them out long time ago. It's like banner blindness.
can I get a shout out?
03:17
@cVplZ NO!
Search is slowly coming back up.
Best youtube video I've watched in a long time guys! Thanks
03:47
It's a stream.
What if someone uses a temporary email to create their SE account, and the email goes unvalid and SE doesn't accept it? Can the user recover their account?
The difference between keynote and powerpoint.
user259867
@Frank Do you mean registered or unregistered account?
Registered is all about openid. Unregistered, bah, who cares about them? (they just use cookies)
user259867
If it's unreg user, then need to keep either SE cookie or valid email. If both are lost, the account is lost.
03:52
@WarmFuzzies registered
@WarmFuzzies Really, they use email too now? Huh.
user259867
@bjb568 Yes, unreg user with valid email can recover
Feature request: @Warm Fuzzies, change your name...
user259867
to what?
To Ralf.
03:54
@WarmFuzzies Something less warm and fuzzy
To George.
Yeah, only I can be warm and fuzzy.
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MEEEEE
:D
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@Frank If their OpenId is not functioning anymore, and the email is not valid... they can contact the team but no promises... the team will need some way to know that this person owns the account.
@WarmFuzzies If this person still has the email address, would that work?
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@Frank Yes, this is what Shog says in the answer I linked.
lel. When teacher create, it be worse'd
03:58
@WarmFuzzies oh ok thnx
04:27
See, Safari is kewl!
Nice hat, @inf
Thanks warm and fuzzy @bjb
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Q: Is it time for us to disallow challenge-only questions?

EmrakulThere have been countless questions recently that don't live up to Stack Exchange's quality standards. We have a responsibility as members of the Stack Exchange network site to live up to the quality standards SE expects. We need to do something to fix our question quality. This is that something...

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status-declined
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Makes sense; but I do want them gone from SE sidebar.
user259867
Granted, I have hidden that sidebar long time ago... but it's there in the HTML page anyway. :[
04:38
Has somebody created a good SE viewer without the crap from API? Like responsive, no distractions like sidebar, etc.
@WarmFuzzies MSO posts are more entertaining than meta.math posts too, especially the ones that are about abuse of power or nazis.
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@bjb568 API has very limited search functionality, making it useless unless you just want to stream the newest or active questions.
You were a victim of having an unhelpful comment that no longer applied deleted? — minitech ♦ 2 hours ago
@WarmFuzzies Ah.
DD will have everything available in the API!
user259867
I use API for my review page (which is how I get to see the newest crap on SO): it catches posts by 1 rep users, posts with downvotes, closevotes, and some patterns in titles.
user259867
04:41
For this purpose, it works quite well.
"posts by 1 rep users, posts with downvotes, closevotes"
Do you need API for that? I see those everywhere on SO by default.
I don't get the whole thing about APIs and stuffs. Like… make a simple thing for people (i.e. browsers, users, apps, whatever) to use. Like for everything. IDK why not. And IDK why there's usually a separate API thing and normal-browser thing.
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@InfiniteRecursion I mean only those posts.
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Normal browser thing is for human users. API is for robots, like you and me.
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meta.math is trying to play nice...
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Q: Annual New Year crowdfunding campaigns

user132181Idea: Math.SE sets up annual New Year crowdfunding campaigns which last, say, a month, and the money raised is then split up proportionally (to users' reputation points aquired since the beginning of the last year) between, say, Top-10 users and sent to them via, say, PayPal. This would be a nic...

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That did not go over well.
This reminds me of the old joke about a shepherd who asked three people to build a pen in the most efficient way possible. On day 1, the physicist builds a perfectly circular fence to give the sheep plenty of room to move. On day 2, the engineer builds a square pen of equal area. Since the fence only has four posts, it can be built much more cheaply despite the longer perimeter. On day 3, the farmer returns to find sheep roaming everywhere and the mathematician standing in the middle of the field, wrapped in wire. "Ah," says the mathematician, "but you see, I am on the outside!" — squeamish ossifrage Dec 1 at 22:02
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04:52
All my cv's finished in triage, cvq and lqpq :(
user259867
So many queues... so few votes
Greetings
Nightlings!
Is that a thing?
Whatever. Night!
Yes, more cleanup to do, but no more cv's for us. I will write an FR when I get time. How can we moderate in triage without extra cv's? :(
Night bjb
The triage looks similar to the low quality hq feedbacks and the Smokey feedbacks we give, human verification of bot results
05:02
Actually, very similar to Pham, who reports everything above a threshold for human verification. Which is a good thing.
user259867
The bots are predecessors of the triage filtering algorithm.
user259867
Hm... does this mean they will become obsolete now?
Yes, but Pham has only trustworthy approvers, which makes it so reliable.
No, I am not very optimist about the triage, wrong reviews means incorrect calibration
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They are probably not going to take much feedback from reviewers, instead retuning the filter based on the actual fate of the posts.
Sounds like reviewers aren't giving feedback to the ML algorithms yet.
05:08
Then it's good.
Morning!
Also, I fear that the real caretakers who close many questions won't have cv's left for the triage, so maybe there will be more robos there who don't cv much
/me was already disappointed by some obvious OT questions being marked 'Looks OK'
05:27
I haven't seen one of my reviews in triage, where all the users choose the same thing. Very small sample, like 10.
I had a couple out of my 20 for the day.
@WarmFuzzies apparently meta.anime did a similar thing, although I don't know the result
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Q: Let's Go Great Anime.SE Gift Exchange! Phase 1! Ship it out!

ʞɹɐzǝɹWe're knee deep in Phase 1! By now most of you who have opted into our little holiday gift exchange should have received your matches and gotten in contact with one another! If you haven't gotten in contact to get your Giftee's details, do it now! If you haven't gotten you match for whatever re...

The problem is, there is no hard guideline between choosing these options.. or at least I'm still unclear when to choose what, excepts "Looks OK" or "Skip"
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That's why it should be a slider instead of the discrete options. Questions naturally form a continuous spectrum.
Unsalvagable if the post is something you know is doomed based on your time here. If it qualifies for cv-pls, it's unsalvagable @AndrewT.
like this one should have been unsalvagable stackoverflow.com/review/triage/6392653
but in all my reviews, only Mysticial and I have concensus
O..kay, let me tweak my mind first regarding this new queue
05:48
(On the other hand, yesterday I had a nightmare failing an audit in Triage on the first review)
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[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Many all the products weight loss by efaxm on askubuntu.com
@WarmFuzzies but that'd be impossible b.c SE doesn't use enough jQuery. ie: jQueryUI , jk
@SmokeDetector tpu or ignore me
@SmokeDetector tpu
@InfiniteRecursion Registered as true positive: added title to Bayesian doctype 'bad' and blacklisted user.
05:51
@AndrewT. poke Undo for access
@InfiniteRecursion this isn't facebook
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The name is a problem. Users remember "unlikely to be salvaged" from VLQ definition, and associate this button in the triage with that category of posts, which are worse than a typical closable question. But closable questions should be put into unsalvageable now....
@cVplZ Nooooooo, I am on the wrong site! /me goes to facebook
user259867
06:11
Funny, I got a love letter in another user's about-me box.
@WarmFuzzies that's sweet, I'm jel
@WarmFuzzies You sure are popular there
@cVplZ no, you're cVplZ
@AndrewT. from that letter, it appears he's the YourCommonSense of Math.SE
user259867
That does not bode well for me...
06:15
@AnnaLear not for much longer though
user259867
What's your next name going to be?
I don't even know yet
different communities have different cultures, I find it interesting to have reopen/undelete request on meta.math. Couldn't think the possibility of having that in MSO, though.
@cVplZ Is that just a statement, or the new name?
@WilliamPrice I don't even know yet
user273376
06:20
All rise, I am here
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Prfect formula of weight loss? by Williamszk on superuser.com
Too much effort.
continue sitting
@SmokeDetector nuked by mod
user273376
close enough
So, is the Triage queue making the First Posts queue lighter, or am I imagining things?
user259867
06:27
It could be a side effect: new queue, featured on meta => more users click Review => more reviewers in every queue, not just Triage.
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But to my understanding FP will be scrapped when Triage + NI are fully in place. Right now some percentage of posts by new users are channeled into Triage; I presume in lieu of being in FP.
@SabreTooth may I be seated Sir/Madam?
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@cVplZ oh yes, yes you may
user259867
Fun fact: drupal has weight tag. Looks like they caved in.
user259867
06:30
Spam gone.
proposed a tag wiki: this tag is used exclusively for weight reduction spammer. DO NOT USE THIS TAG UNLESS YOU WANT YOUR POST TO BE FLAGGED AS SPAM.
.......nah, that won't work
@WarmFuzzies NI == ?
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Needs Improvement. The yet-to-be created queue that will fix things. Maybe.
@WarmFuzzies Never look at a feature as "this will fix things". ;) There are always problems. Because people.
But, we can maybe get a bit closer to having no problems.
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06:37
@AnnaLear Did you / SE disable the block for "help" in titles on SO?
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My guess is that the block is removed so that these keywords send questions into triage instead...
There was a block for that? AFAIK, those are pretty restricted (as in, only apply at the start or end of the title). Can look tomorrow to see what actually happened.
Grrrr... got my first declined flag today. :-( Sigh.
I've no idea if any blacklist changes were made to pave way for Triage.. I don't think so, but I'm not on that project.
@WilliamPrice First time for everything.
user259867
06:40
I see. Experimentally, "question, doubt, problem, and help" were blocked, and I think it was regardless of position: just the containment check.
user259867
Nope, I take that back: Help is blocked as the first word. Never mind then.
There's several different ways we block things. Help/problem/etc are hardcoded and looked for in a certain position, if memory serves. It's almost 2am, so you should trust almost nothing I say. (Even less than usual. ;))
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Q: Site-by-site rep gains for "today" are missing from achievements

Monica CellioTake a look at this: Until now I've gotten the per-site total (like in yesterday's heading) even if I only gained rep on one site. What happened here? (If I gain rep on another site today and that changes the behavior here, I'll update.)

I don't get it...
I get it, but I'm not sure that was ever a thing.
06:46
me also pressing achievement tab again and again
spam gone
nobody in den today :(
What the actual hell? How does this get 2 upvotes on Meta?
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Q: What services can we buy from google cloud platform credit that startup launch is distributing to startups globally?

Prajeet ShresthaI got $500 from google as I applied for startup launch. But I don't know what services google cloud platform offers. And since I don't have credit card. I am not being able to redeem the prize.

wow, 31 questions in 15 days ^
user259867
@Qantas94Heavy Spammers found the worst possible site to spam. :)
06:54
It's weird to see spam for Google though
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And they have nontrivial rep. Unusual, but I do consider both Q & A to be spam.
@WarmFuzzies they are good rep users on parent sites. OP with 8 months old profile on SO and answerer with 2 years old profile on SO
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I'm confused by the large flowery name. — copper.hat 1 hour ago
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Of course, now there's a user named Rafflesia arnoldii..
07:10
did you downvote his question? (just asking)
user259867
Yes. Either no research, or (most likely) a fake question to show off the user name.
given:
uv - dv = 1
5uv - 2dv = 8
=> uv = 2
=> dv = 1
okay, nvm
user259867
Why so complicated, I use a bookmarklet to show vote splits on the sites where I'm under 1K. Should add closevotes to it too, just in case.
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Weight Loss Tags by dx sion on meta.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector heh, now I'm tempted to comment that there is on drupal.se
07:16
@copper.hat Although the flower smells truly atrocious - I have always admired it. — Rafflesia arnoldii 1 hour ago
seems trollish to me
user259867
I consider it a harmless prank. The user does not go out of the way to do anything wrong under the nickname.
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status-too-many-admirers
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They look apprehensive.
ronald mcdonald has done much harm for the red head community
07:24
THAT STATUE HAS A NAME!!!!
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gone
"Protected by Community" is written on bottom of this post. Isn't it just below the question usually?
but, on SO, when a question is protected by user, that note appears just below the question. Trying to find something protected by community on SO.
user259867
07:29
It depends on whether you can answer. If you can, the notice is under the question. If you cannot, it replaces the answer box.
oh! ok, thanks :)
user259867
For example, here I see the notice under the question, and @JanDvorak should too.
ya, and I see it on bottom of post, because of not having an account on that site and hence, not being able to answer.
repro'd
So, for me, it is appearing on bottom, replacing, "Post an answer" link
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07:31
So this is how living in the Matrix feels like.
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And all-caps HELP too. Unless it's an SQL command I never heard of. And even if it is.
The text under "protected note" is overlapping(just a little bit) the bottom of that(The protected note) div
more visible in inverted colors, than in usual colors
-1 for inverse colors
the disease is spreading
that put less strain on eyes
...and here, helped to find a bug too
07:34
not if I use white background normally
normally..??
come'on, you are taverener, nothing is normal here
except gravity
@WilliamPrice but your avatar seems to ignore that too.. :P
@DroidDev Not so! :) Without those protruding supports, I would've been squished like a pancake taking that photo.
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@AndrewT. I tried to come up with a descriptive title, in vain.
How.. ignorant I was, turns out the language name is "Processing" -_-
@WarmFuzzies are you still editing?
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No I gave up.
user259867
I am willing to bet 500 rep points that this was caused by @SabreTooth being deleted.
does tumblr really have no TOS what-so-*{6}-ever, just a login form and a fancy animation?
07:46
wow! so we can't flag bad answers on locked posts.
or anything else, for that matter
user259867
Only on historical locks. On normal ones you can.
user259867
For historically locked threads, the only way is to ping a site mod in chat and convince them that the answer really needs to go.
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The corrupting influence of Java on everyone who touches it.
Ouch, that hurts.
07:52
@WarmFuzzies Not worth that much of hassle
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@WilliamPrice Some people are immune; probably their genes are to thank.
@WarmFuzzies yup, you can take as a pretty big and popular example
@WarmFuzzies Doubtful that problem has anything to do with their fill-in-the-blank language.
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@WarmFuzzies I plead the 5th
08:09
@cVplZ can be Frost flower
but no reverse capitalization plZ, nO frosT flowerS
08:33
@DroidDev Wondering... you mean that you never know that that character was called Ronald?
@SPArchaeologist actually...never cared about searching for name of McDonald's statue
@DroidDev nor did I, but on internet you are bound to find someone calling it by name. So many memes
this one may be my favourite
mascot, not statue...and it's hard to escape it's name...it's just too famous!
@InfiniteRecursion who? Sephiroth Mc Donald?
Cloud Sanders should win! because.... chicken!
08:40
lol no, I meant Mister Ronald @SPArchaeologist
Sam
Sam
Morning
@AndrewT. the best part is that there is even cosplayers that did dress like him
Morning @Sam :)
Morning @Sam :)
Morning @Sam :)
Night @uni ;)
go to sleep!!
it's still afternoon o_O
@SPArchaeologist actually, I don't search everything I don't understand. I only search things I find interesting. So, I think, if I ever came across that name, even then, I wouldn't have searched for it.
@AndrewT. uni sleeps late everyday, today I am trying to make him sleep early :P
08:48
It happens @DroidDev, I never heard of yahoo answers before coming to the tavern
Nov 14 at 16:49, by Infinite Recursion
@JanDvorak Are you are a contributer on Yahoo answers? You always mention it. Never heard of it before coming to the tavern.
pretends to be asleep
still sees him
throws a bucket of water on @Uni
then throws bucket too
thinks @uni is secretly contributing to yahoo answers while pretending to be asleep
08:50
hopes uni is instead reviewing that pull request of mine while pretending to be asleep
wonders which verb "while pretending to be asleep" in @inf's sentence binds to
wonders what @Jan is saying
has long given up on teaching @Droid about the fallacies of english grammar
It's quiet here, so...
Morning!
Morning!
08:53
Morning!
... @InfiniteRecursion is swearing again. Thank god for the filter.
wut!?
wonders where SabreTooth is
googles "define fallacies"
08:55
@DroidDev First, it is not Jan talking, it is the owl parasite. Jan actual voice was last heareth about one year ago before he got that hat. Second, I fear the owl is actually a grammar monster in disguise.
SE should have more of those gaming streams. But why they go on about Elastic something something I don't know
s/fallacies/fallacies and pitfalls/
Sam
Sam
>>add-b-a-lq \S*
... nope.
wonders when Jan will correct "eared" to "heard"
08:57
^ fix'd
@InfiniteRecursion Thou are right, my friend.
is SO, or the whole SE hiccuping?
I am always right, dear @SPArchaeologist :D
status-norepro
@AndrewT. seems fine here
08:58
@SPArchaeologist shivers
time to complain to IT department again

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