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12:04 AM

@MichaelMrozek Yeah, same here... I only got a few little dinosaurs before dark, lol

@radp I love it, lol

12:17 AM

I got a kid dressed as a mime with a sign that said "trick or treat" on one side and "thank you" on the other. I wish I'd thought of that as a kid to avoid interacting with people

Tim Stone

@rchern Hmm, I've semi-finished the feature, but I'm not really sure if I'm satisfied with the presentation aspect..

The Unhandled Exception

@MichaelMrozek Hah, that's cute. Most of the kids' costumes here have been kinda lame tonight :-/

rchern

I've heard a rumor that kids in StL tell jokes instead of saying trick-or-treat. So far, this has been an epic lie. ):

I want jokes!

Tim Stone

Comedy for candy!

Michael Mrozek

I had one group that drove from house to house. I was very close to denying them candy

rchern

12:22 AM

is it very cold? snowing? pouring rain?

Michael Mrozek

No, and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't let them off even if it was

rchern

I thought maybe that explained the "very close" part

hmmm, any broken legs?

Michael Mrozek

I'm not sure if you're asking if they had broken legs or if I broke their legs. Either way, no (they had parents with them for protection)

rchern

trying to explain the lack of walking from house to house (;

...should I be concerned about you breaking kids' legs?

Tim Stone

He's just trying to teach important life lessons. That, and the critical survival skill of being able to drag your handicapped body from house to house begging for candy.

rchern

12:29 AM

mm

Tim Stone

Hmm, Jeff confuses me. He says "I don't really subscribe to the "only play me tracks I like" theory of life; it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. So we want a lot of bleed-through." after having stated "If you are an avid user, we don't expect you to use the homepage. You should be browsing by tag..."

I'm not sure how you get to see the different and exciting things if you limit yourself to the comfort zone of tag pages.

rchern

Yeah, I noticed that comment.

Tim Stone

I spend a lot of time on the front page, in part because clicking the logo is just so convenient, heh.

5

I do visit the tag pages, but if I stayed on them I'd get bored by what I saw very quickly. In part, this is where your AND tag search would come into play, although I do also like seeing things that fall outside of my cloud of interesting tags.

@TheUnhandledException Since you like the other keyboard navigation stuff, what do you think of this by the way? :P

rchern

I live on /questions sort=active generally

radp

Homepage for me

rchern

12:42 AM

I'll switch to sort=new if I'm in an answering mood.

Tim Stone

Hmm, maybe I should try switching the URL that clicking the logo goes to, heh.

rchern

If the link to /questions wasn't just as easily there I would hehe

Tim Stone

I like my Interesting Tags easily accessible too, which I guess they aren't quite as much on /questions (for some reason being on that page seems "off", but I can't figure out why, besides perhaps that I'm crazy :P)

rchern

hehe

Tim Stone

12:57 AM

Hmm, for the reply thing, is it important to see the whole message to know what something was a reply to, or only the first so much? Also, what to do with image/oneboxed material...decisions decisions.

rchern

hehehe

I'd say whatever was displayed

like, copy the content into a new container or something

Tim Stone

1:10 AM

@rchern The only issue is if it's big content, since then I have to worry about if there's enough room to display it. But I guess I should just not be lazy about making that work. :P

...

Hmm, apparently my disk drive has gone on vacation.

rchern

Am I misunderstanding how .load() works? $("<div>").load("/messages/259437/history #content"); should load the url, parse out #content and insert it into the div right?

Tim Stone

Yeah

rchern

1:25 AM

so why does the console then report [<div></div>] >_>

hmm

Tim Stone

Are you immediately logging the result to the console?

rchern

oh, good point. I'm just letting Chrome's dev tools print it out by default

Michael Mrozek

That sounds like a fairly magical function

rchern

what does? load?

@TimStone sighs spot on.

Tim Stone

@MichaelMrozek It's jQuery, I thought that the magical part was a given.

@rchern Ah ha :)

rchern

1:35 AM

hmm

what do ya think?

Michael Mrozek

I'm not sure it's actually useful, but it's neat :)

Is the text intentionally centered?

rchern

that's with replacing the success function with showNotification(this); and no other changes

    history: function (id) {
	    validateArgs(1, ["number"]);
	    $("<div>").load("/messages/" + id + "/history #content", function () {
		showNotification(this, 10E3);
	    });
	    return CommandState.SucceededDoClear;
}

Tim Stone

Argh, horizontal scroll. But because that's showNotification's fault, I'll ignore that and go with "Nifty :)"

rchern

gah. I give up on that paste.

Tim Stone

Oh wait, showNotification is our function :P

But doesn't it use something already there?

rchern

1:42 AM

the centering is coming from div.#bubble

@TimStone, yeah it uses $("#inputerror");

rchern

2:09 AM

alright. i've done my daily userscript commit (;

Tim Stone

Oh, we're going for daily commits now? ;)

I'd better play catch up

rchern

hehehe

well for awhile it seemed like i was doing daily commits

my last one was a couple days ago though

Tim Stone

I'm not sure that I'm creative enough to come up with that many new features. I might have to start introducing subtle bugs into my code just so I have things to fix. :P

rchern

github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts/graphs/impact

@TimStone LOL

Tim Stone

My slice of the pie is looking a little weak, hahah

rchern

2:15 AM

@MichaelMrozek is hanging in there (;

Tim Stone

Heheh

rchern

I have a commit for you.

When you added the history to SEModifications, you didn't edit the readme (;

Tim Stone

Oh, whoops.

Relatedly..

17

Q: Please add a 'view source' link to questions and answers that have no revisions

I asked the following question on ServerFault: How do I hide ‘non-delegated’ features in IIS 7? Scott's answer describes a couple of xml tags that I can modify, but because he didn't use the back-tick to escape them they're hidden from view. Because I don't have edit rights I can't open th...

That post is totally from March of next year, somehow...people copying our ideas, for shame.

rchern

you should add an answer (:

Tim Stone

Saying we only copied in spirit? ;) But yeah, that's not a bad idea.

rchern

2:20 AM

relatedly, id = $(this).find("a[id^=flag-post-]").attr("id").replace("flag-post-", ""); is a really weird way of getting the post id

Tim Stone

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, heh.

rchern

oh, when I committed, I added H to your navigation. It seems to work right, but you might just wanna double check the commit changes

Tim Stone

Ah, thanks for the heads up, because I may have modified that a bit (so I'll have to be sure to merge that correctly)

Err and by "that" I mean the way I had the commands setup, that is.

rchern

I look forward to your commit then (;

Tim Stone

If only chat used jQuery UI. :P

rchern

2:25 AM

?

Tim Stone

It has that fancy extended .position function.

rchern

hmm

investigates

Tim Stone

jqueryui.com/demos/position

rchern

ah

that revisions script doesn't support AU (;

Tim Stone

Because the domain name isn't in the include list, or because it's broken in some other way? :P

Oh, the existing one?

rchern

2:31 AM

yeah, the one you linked to

Tim Stone

Ah, OK. Whew, heheh.

rchern

2:56 AM

Hi @PopularDemand

Popular Demand

@rchern Hi there!

rchern

how goes it?

Popular Demand

@rchern Alright. Midterm earlier in the day, just watchin' the game now.

You left me a comment earlier that I didn't understand, I think.

Wasn't really focused on MSO at the time.

rchern

hmm, I did?

Popular Demand

11 hours ago

rchern

3:03 AM

you expect me to remember something from 11 hours ago? |:

Popular Demand

No, "11 hours ago" was the comment.

rchern

o:

don't remember saying that

Popular Demand

2

Q: SO build system

Possible Duplicate: Which tools and technologies were used to build the Trilogy? Dead simple question: what's the build system used by Stack Overflow?

support faq-update-request tools technology

rchern

ooohhhh

Michael Mrozek

Oh, I'm slow. -_-

rchern

3:06 AM

I was just pointing out that the user hadn't been on the site since posting the question, and thus couldn't have edited based on comments.

Popular Demand

@rchern Irrelevant; it's -- presumably -- his fault that he didn't visit to read the comments.

rchern

that doesn't make sense

he did visit again. just not in that timespan.

Popular Demand

@rchern So?

Tim Stone

He should have a screen surgically implanted into his skin that connects directly to the StackExchange™ MultiCollider SuperDropdown™ so that he can be instantaneously notified of any new comments.

rchern

@PopularDemand, what is an acceptable duration of visiting that shows you care about your question?

Mark C

4:17 AM

Is anyone here?

Michael Mrozek

I suspect so

Mark C

Hey there

I was wondering what the "easter egg" for the Mathematics site was

I think someone mentioned it but I forgot

Michael Mrozek

You mean chat.math.stackexchange.com?

Mark C

Yes

Michael Mrozek

Are there site-specific ones for the sites that just redirect to chat.stackexchange.com?

I hadn't heard that, but I don't know for sure

Mark C

4:20 AM

oh well I guess there isn't

If there's no math chat yet

Are there any non-chat "eggs"?

Michael Mrozek

@MarkC There probably won't be one; it was changed to just having a centralized SE chat for most sites

@MarkC Not that I know of

Mark C

Oh man, that's kind of lame.

Pages of dupes and noise to sort through

In other news, the Physics proposal is ready for beta!

Man, I had a question I wanted to ask but now can't remember

Mark C

4:39 AM

Okay good night

Fishtoaster

5:58 AM

The homebrew stack exchange (area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/1619/…) is at 98%. Not saying that you should go commit to it, but I thought you should know that all the cool kids are doing it.

Tim Stone

6:48 AM

Hmm, I just noticed that I've been sitting here for the last 20 minutes with my headphones on, but no music or anything playing...whoops.

4

@rchern Do we want the // thing in the script?

Yi Jiang

Mmhmmm... 4 people. It really is quiet isn't it?

Just a bit. ;)

So, what did I miss?

Iunno, not too much.

I see that you guys have gotten /history working

Tim Stone

7:02 AM

Yeah, I just sent out a pull request for some other stuff too.

Also

in Chat feedback on http://stackexchange.com Chat, Oct 28 at 14:52, by Yi Jiang

Holy! Feature Request: Change @-mention color from blood red NAO!!!

+100

Yi Jiang

Ah... another mosquito bites the dust. That seems to be the only productive thing that gets done around the computer these days

I keep a pretty good track record of my kills

Benjol

8:02 AM

@TimStone sounds like me :)

@YiJiang, feature request - can you put the github url in the source of the script?

saves me having to go search for it everytime I want to update :)

waffles

help

0

Q: What a "glate answer", badge needs a name

Old unanswered questions are becoming a huge problem, and we need all the tools to better attack them. We have been toying with the idea of a new badge for answering a question one month later and being the first answer with a score of 2 or more. (assigned retroactively) - odata query But this...

discussion badge-request

Benjol

8:18 AM

@waffles Maybe I'm atypical, but do new badges really motivate people? I generally only discover badges even exist when I get them!

Having said that, anything is better than 'glate'!

radp

8:52 AM

> "Upgrade to the latest version of Adobe Flash Player to see THIS content, bitch."

Yi Jiang

We should just include the xkcd feed in this room if we're going to keep on doing this :)

radp

Feel free to.

Benjol

not a bad idea

radp

Actually I'll add it to Gaming.

Yi Jiang

@radp I thought you might want to add Penny Arcade first

radp

8:55 AM

MAXIMUM FEEDINATION

Benjol

@YiJiang, by the way, I just noticed that the /highlights are on top of the message id/timestamp div. makes it more difficult to remove them :)

radp

@YiJiang who cares about that text-only no content feed. Same for the Order of the Stick comics' feed. :/

Yi Jiang

@Benjol Shouldn't be the case. What browser?

Benjol

ffx

I'll double check, I admit to having hacked both, but not in a way that I can see would make a difference :)

Yi Jiang

Also, /highlights brings up a list of your highlights. Clicking on any of them will clear that highlight rule

Really shouldn't be the case, since the timestamps are AP'ed, and should be above the .message or .messages element to which the highlighting is added

Benjol

9:07 AM

Yi Jiang

@Benjol Okay, there are a couple of solutions to this

Benjol

looks like you haven't got the same version either :)

Yi Jiang

@Benjol No, I removed the timestamping on mine so that the id part isn't so long that this will happen

Benjol

Even so, your screeshot shows a different element being highlighted

Yi Jiang

@Benjol That will happen if you highlight a person not a single message

If you highlight a person's message, it'll highlight the entire set of messages, so that's different

Okay, I know what will need to be done. Writing the patch now

waffles

9:14 AM

@Benjol I have been watching the stats, sportsmanship had a massive effect on voting patterns

Yi Jiang

Will use our own CSS class rather than the .highlight used currently, and that class will be using a semi-transparent background to do the highlighting.

Benjol

@waffles, ok, I'll settle for my original analysis then :)

Yi Jiang

Will have some other... interesting effects on highlighting though. Hmmm... maybe I should test this out before commiting

Benjol

You should probably invent a special badge for 'answered oldest unanswered message' for this one :

0

Q: ISmartTagAction::Action Target is null with PowerPoint

Is there a way for the Target parameter to reference a PowerPoint object when ISmartTagAction::Action is called by PowerPoint? I have a smart tag that will recognize text in PowerPoint but when the Action method is called the Target is null. If I do the same thing in Word the Target is set to a ...

powerpoint smart-tag

@YiJiang, no hurries, got a meeting in 15 minutes :)

@YiJiang, for what it's worth, I discovered it while trying to implement this:

		hl: function (match) {
			match = $.makeArray(match).join(" ");
			var selector;
			if (isNumber(match)) {
				selector = Selectors.getMessage(match);
			} else {
				selector = Selectors.getSignature(match);
			}
                        var found = false;
			for (var i = 0; i < highlightStore.items.length; i++) {
				if(highlightStore.items[i] == match)
					found = true;
			}
			if(found) {
				highlightStore.remove(match);
				$(selector).expire().removeClass("highlight");
			}
			else {

				highlightStore.add(match);

Yi Jiang

@Benjol Unifying the function, eh. Yeah, I've always preferred that to three separate one, but @rchern might not like it so much

Can't speak on her behalf, though

Messy, but sort-of works. Will need a better solution to this I think

radp

9:51 AM

Hrm

I think I must have angered Google

Yi Jiang

10:20 AM

@rchern Okay, somehing weird happened when you pulled in @TimStone's fork

There was a regression I think

for (var i = 0; i < highlightStore.items.length; i++) {
    commands.addhl(oldHighlights[i]);
}

Line 284. oldHighlights was discontinued when I introduced clipboards because I rewrote Storage into a constructor instead of a global object

So it's really weird that this popped up in the latest version on your github page

The last reference to oldHighlights is from this commit: github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts/commit/…

So I'm guessing that @TimStone was using an old version without this, and git autoresolved the conflict by splicing in some of the old code into the new one?

I don't know, git is confusing me right now

Benjol

10:40 AM

@YiJiang sorry, I spotted that oldHighlights wasn't defined, forgot to mention it :(

Yi Jiang

@Benjol Yeah, I have no idea where that came from. Looked through the history and still can't find it.

Benjol

git moves in mysterious way, its wonders to perform :)

Yi Jiang

Oh gawd.... that space to tab conversion wiped out any chance of me finding the correct commit where the regression occurred I think

Benjol

11:12 AM

You could always run a script on the whole history of your repository, converting all spaces to tabs from the start. Then your history would be a bit cleaner. (Don't ask me how, by the way :)

Yi Jiang

11:43 AM

Here's the problem with the status change plugin for Pidgin:

Either that, or my friend there has a really bad connection

radp

just don't log away status

is it that important to you to know the second when he stops moving the mouse?

alternatively the timezone is confusing the plugin.

Yi Jiang

@radp Sort of forgot that Pidgin auto-aways. Most people don't change their status that much

radp

every time I look for the Singapore: Unsupported image I fail

anyway, later

Yi Jiang

@radp I removed the old one and replaced it with a new one. You guys should've restarred it, but nah, here it is, again:

Hmmm... interesting. Let's see...

I wonder if I could imitate the chat's ajax requests

This is a message sent using jQuery $.ajax

I don't get it... why won't git allow me to pull from either @rchern's or @TimStone's repo?

spoulson

12:09 PM

Hello

Yi Jiang

12:19 PM

Awwww: subtraction.com/2010/10/31/help-me-obi-wan-kenobi

Fosco

1:45 PM

Hi Lance

Lance Roberts

morning

Downvoter

rovio!

:(

Lance Roberts

I didn't realize that the chat server shows the time in EST, I wonder why they don't localize it for every user.

Yi Jiang

@LanceRoberts It does (erm... right?)

Lance Roberts

I'm in Alaska which is -4 from EST so it's really noticeable.

Yi Jiang

1:52 PM

The timestamp I see on the messages are correctly localized for me

Benjol

me too

Tim Stone

2:32 PM

@YiJiang What happened?

Yi Jiang

@TimStone I'm not sure. If I tru git pull [url] master it just tells me that mine is already up to date

Tim Stone

Hm, interesting.

Yi Jiang

Also, there may be a regression somewhere up this line of commits, but I can't find where exactly it occured

@TimStone Your script is old enough that it doesn't incoperate the clipboard I built

Benjol

ROFL, I'd seen this question advertised, went looking for it on cooking.se, apparently I'm not the only one:

62

Q: How can I tell if a corpse is safe to eat?

I am playing a human wizard, and I just killed a monster, leaving a corpse on the ground. How do I tell whether it is safe to eat this corpse? I leave the monster unspecified because I am interested in "how can I figure out whether this is edible," rather than whether any particular monster is e...

roguelikes nethack

Yi Jiang

@TimStone pulled your repo when you first told me that you added some stuff in. Unfortunately, you're script was out of date and didn't have some of the stuff I had added

Then, somehow, git decided to fast-forward the thing and wiped out all of my work

Tim Stone

2:36 PM

Oh, that sucks.

Yi Jiang

I reverted, then added in a fix for that regression

Now it's telling me that mine is more recent than both your's and @rchern's repo, and won't pull

Looks like @rchern's woken up too. Ping!

Popular Demand

@rchern Not sure, but I've been trained to stick on my new posts on all SE sites, especially in the "still on the main page" period, just in case someone requests clarification or points out an error. (Sorry for the very delayed response, I lost Internet connection last night.)

rchern

g'morning all

holy crap i've been alerted a lot while sleeping.

Fosco

allo

Tim Stone

2:51 PM

'Ello @PopularDemand, @rchern, @Fosco

Yi Jiang

@rchern Ping! :P

rchern

Pong!

what's up?

Michael Mrozek

@rchern Maybe you should sleep less

rchern

|:

Popular Demand

Hello @Tim, all; back momentarily.

rchern

2:53 PM

If I don't get my beauty sleep, I am a grumpy @rchern.

Surely you don't want that.

Yi Jiang

@rchern Anyway, can you help me out of this problem I've got above there?

rchern

sum it up for me?

Yi Jiang

@rchern Basically, what I said to @TimStone up there

Michael Mrozek

@YiJiang Make a new branch with your changes, reset master to origin, and then pull?

Popular Demand

I can't tell if this is a dupe or not: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/68829/…

rchern

3:04 PM

I'm not a git expert ):

Yi Jiang

@PopularDemand There was that bug that causes votes to be flipped after the outage. This might be totally different though, since @waffles said that it was fixed in a comment in the outage question

@rchern There's also a regression which you might want to investigate

4 hours ago, by Yi Jiang

for (var i = 0; i < highlightStore.items.length; i++) {
    commands.addhl(oldHighlights[i]);
}

This was found in both my and you're code

But I have no idea where it came from

Popular Demand

@YiJiang Yeah, I posted four related questions; the OP has a decent argument for this being a different bug with similar symptoms, though.

rchern

no idea where it came from?

Yi Jiang

@rchern Looked through all the commits, and tried git diff a few times

None of them record this line been inserted.

rchern

I'm not sure what you're saying

the line should be something different?

Yi Jiang

3:10 PM

oldHighlights[i] has never been used since I rewrote Storage, remember

There is no oldHighlights. running this code will cause an error

The correct code should be using highlightStore.items[i]

Tim Stone

@YiJiang You merged it back in nine days ago

Yi Jiang

@TimStone That's @rchern pulling - my code has always been correct. I think...

Tim Stone

Yi Jiang

@TimStone Yeah, but my code should be: github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts/commit/…

rchern

Yeah, need to go back further

Yi Jiang

3:19 PM

@rchern Okay, whatever. The fix is simple. I don't know why that didn't throw an error before now though... ?

Tim Stone

It is that. :P

But then you pulled the latest from @rchern and overwrote your changes

rchern

Yeah, seems like it.

Yi Jiang

Tim Stone

Yes, that's the previous revision.

Yi Jiang

Oh, I see.

Wait, I need to restart Firefox. Firebug's leaked enough memory for this thing to start slowing down

rchern

3:22 PM

When I do pull requests I try and look very closely at the diff before doing a merge. I want to think I'd have noticed it. |:

Tim Stone

Ugh, I'm almost up to 600 MB myself. Damn you Firebug!

Yi Jiang

@TimStone I've read through the list of leaky add-ons recently. Firebug and the Web Devloper's Toolbar both leak memory as long as they're active - ie. Firebug's console, net and script panel

And when the web developer toolbar is shown

Tim Stone

Ah, lucky I don't have it shown...but I do have both of those.

shakes fist

Yi Jiang

I think one of you have to push a commit before git will recognise it as more recent than mine

I still don't get why I need to do this though

Tim Stone

You should probably wait until @rchern pulls my commits and see if that helps.

rchern

3:27 PM

@TimStone, your pull request appears to have spaces instead of tabs

Tim Stone

Where?

Yi Jiang

@rchern His script is based off an old version I think

That's why there's spaces

Tim Stone

No, it's merged with the latest from @rchern (and I intentionally went through and converted all remaining spaces to tabs)

rchern

github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts/pull/14 I'm just going through the Files Changed and looking at lines that are changed

Tim Stone

That view seemingly converts tabs to spaces?

They are tabs though :P

rchern

3:32 PM

I'm pretty sure it has showed tabs previously |:

Tim Stone

github.com/tms/StackExchangeScripts/blob/…

That shows tabs

But I don't know about the other one (clearly it's not right now)

Ah, and I made a mistake..heh.

makes note for bug fix

Yi Jiang

I should totally build this someday, when I had enough of killing mosquito by hand and switch to lasers instead: spectrum.ieee.org/consumer-electronics/gadgets/…

Tim Stone

Hahah

Popular Demand

3

Best. Graphic. Ever.

Lance Roberts

@YiJiang I read that article when it came out, and it's definitely on my list.

Popular Demand

3:44 PM

GMail, why do you keep failing me?

rchern

So @TimStone, am I doing a pull/merge?

Or are you doing another commit now?

Tim Stone

@rchern Let's just get this working, and I'll do the other commit later (it's just changing a true to false)

So, pull away :)

rchern

I'd rather sail away |:

Tim Stone

Vacation time? :P

rchern

pulled/pushed.

Tim Stone

3:51 PM

Cool

rchern

@TimStone I wish!

Tim Stone

...Hrm, that bug was a little more serious than I thought. And I found another one, heh.

rchern

<_<

Tim Stone

@rchern I'm trying to set something up for over Christmas, but I've been lax in getting tickets and stuff.

@rchern If you try to do the preview with the P key, it won't work. Originally I thought it would only half work..but turns out it doesn't work at all. Left arrow works correctly though. The other problem is that it's impossible to see your name in the preview when it's reply-highlighted due to my choices in colours.

That's less of an issue, but also kind of silly..

rchern

hehehe

I guess you'll just have to commit again (;

Tim Stone

3:59 PM

I'm not sure what to do about the highlight issue though...I guess I could stick with a light-coloured background, but that's so boring ;)

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